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At Cancun, 'Climate Change Experts' Call for End to Developed World Economic Growth for 'The Next 20 Years'

By Tom Blumer | November 29, 2010 | 11:18

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This would be really funny if it weren't for the fact that so many supposedly informed people, including our president and those who surround him, may actually buy into ideas being proposed at the United Nations-sponsored Cancun climate conference, and will relish the means by which they could be put into place.

At the UK Telegraph today, environment correspondent Louise Gray feeds us the following headline and sub-headline:

Cancun climate change summit: scientists call for rationing in developed world

Global warming is now such a serious threat to mankind that climate change experts are calling for Second World War-style rationing in rich countries to bring down carbon emissions.

From all appearances, such rationing would last at least two decades, during which there would be, by design, no economic growth. Zero, zip, nada.

Here are selected paragraphs from Gray's grouse (bolds and number tags are mine):

In a series of papers published by the Royal Society, physicists and chemists from some of world’s most respected scientific institutions, including Oxford University and the Met Office, agreed that current plans to tackle global warming are not enough.

 

Unless emissions are reduced dramatically in the next ten years the world is set to see temperatures rise by more than 4C (7.2F) by as early as the 2060s, causing floods, droughts and mass migration. [1]

 

... In one paper Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years. [2]

 

This would mean a drastic change in lifestyles [2] for many people in countries like Britain as everyone will have to buy less ‘carbon intensive’ goods and services such as long haul flights and fuel hungry cars.

 

... He said politicians should consider a rationing system similar to the one introduced during the last “time of crisis” in the 1930s and 40s. [3]

 

... Prof Anderson insisted that halting growth in the rich world does not necessarily mean a recession or a worse lifestyle, [2] it just means making adjustments in everyday life such as using public transport and wearing a sweater rather than turning on the heating.

 

... At the moment efforts are focused on trying to get countries to cut emissions by 50 per cent by 2050 relative to 1990 levels. [4]

 

But Dr Myles Allen, of Oxford University’s Department of Physics, said this might not be enough. He said that if emissions do not come down quick enough even a slight change in temperature will be too rapid for ecosystems to keep up.

A suggestion for Prof. Anderson and Dr. Allen: You first, guys. If you commit for the next 20 years not to use a computer or any kind of wireless communication device, and only to travel via public transportation, we might listen. Too harsh for self-appointed elitists like you? Too bad.

Specific notes:

  • [1] -- Climategate, "The Dog Ate My Global Warming Data," other clear breaches of scientific protocol and objectivity, and the inherent limitations of relying on computer models to predict what will happen in a complex world make this claim speculative at best, and needless scaremongering at worst.
  • [2] -- Within just a few paragraphs, 20 years of no economic growth means "drastic lifestyle changes" but somehow not "a worse lifestyle." Really?
  • [3] -- By describing them as having occurred "in the 1930s and 1940s," Ms. Gray makes the World War II-related rationing regimes appear worse than they were. They lasted six years at most, less than one-third of the two decades desired by the self-appointed experts. Patriotism reined in the black market to an extent during World War II. It will require a police state to restrain the black market that will result from a government-enforced, popularly-opposed scam during peacetime. Perhaps statists consider that a feature, not a bug.
  • [4] -- "Cutting emissions by 50% relative to 1990" is cynically manipulative math at its worst. Since worldwide emissions have grown by about 35% since 1990, cutting back to 1990 levels would really require a reduction of 63% (.85 divided by 1.35). Gullible environment correspondents are apparently a bit more likely to swallow the idea of a falsely-advertised 50% reduction than one that in reality, after considering population growth, involves per-capita reductions approaching 70%.

As noted earlier, the fact that there are people in positions of power and responsibility who either buy into globaloney (my term for human-caused global warming) or, in certain cases, unapologetically see it as a convenient opportunity for engaging in wealth redistribution, means that nonsense such as what is emanating from Cancun can't be ignored.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

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I call BS.

Submitted by notinstl on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:20am.

what else could it be?

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Well, we're doing our part

Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:25am.

Who needs innovation or economic growth?

Go Obama.

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And yet again I ask the unanswered question:

Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:29am.

The earth has gone through seven ice ages.  That's seven times transitioning from hot to cold and back.  All that before man walked the earth and burned his first piece of coal.

So how is it that man is causing climate change this time?

hbnolikeee
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Hey if BO’s economic

Submitted by ninerdog on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:45am.

Hey if BO’s economic plans come to fruition they may well get it. 

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Pictures Of Frost In Southern California

Submitted by Blue Collar Todd on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:48am.

There was frost on the windshield this morning. I live near Los Angeles.

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The more I see things like

Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:49am.

The more I see things like this, the more convinced I become that this has absolutely nothing to do with science and everything to do with a bunch of Socialists intent in turning the United States from the world's largest, most advanced economy into a Fourth World nation. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

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Star Trek analogy

Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:49am.

I don't know how many of us on here are familiar with the Original Star Trek series, but there was one episode that described someone who took similar tactics and I can't help but think of that person when I read the stuff above.  Kodos the Executioner was the character who ordered specific rationing similar to the stuff described above and the one thing that hasn't been suggested yet, but is not out of the realm of impossibility with these people is mass killing of people, ie population control.

We just had the climategate scandal and yet these charlatans are pulling this out a year after that happened?  Who are they trying to fool?

-Jon

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Actually, more like "The Menagerie"

Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:15pm.

Not because of anything in the story line that may relate, but because all these climate alarmist are buttheads, like the main antagonists in that episode.

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."
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Kodos is under consideration to be Resource Czar

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:21pm.

Actually, 'wartime' rationing had its roots in the New Deal, as the Brain Trust and others attempted to manipulate prices of goods and wages.  The shift to actual wartime rationing was not a great leap from that point.

Our modern New Dealers are perfectly happy with government-regulated rationing.  As our President told the man labeled Joe the Plumber, "We've got to spread some of that wealth around."  They decided who has enough, and how much 'excess' will be redistributed by the government.

We're seeing it begin in health care.  We'll see it in other parts of the economy.

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Kodos

Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 4:07am.

Kodos didn't ration food, he rationed life itself.  He had half the population executed as he believed that there were too many people for the ecosystem to support .  Seems Kodos was a member of the ELF. Oh, and he was an actor too.  Coincidence?  I think not.

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stupid is as stupid does.....

Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:51am.

   These so-called scientists think that the worlds economy can be tinkered with by introducing rationing of vital resources and produce predictable and satisfactory results.  That would make them idiots.

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we MUST be stopped!!!

Submitted by wizardjr on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:52am.

That is, the gestalt of Western Civ and Capitalism must be stopped.... AT ALL COSTS!

Why.....

Because our comfortable life style embarasses the heck out of the incompetent alternative cultures. The average American has air conditioning at home and in the car, several color TV sets, a detached house, several cars, and a diet so rich we're getting fat as a group.

They don't.

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Because dinosaurs and mastodons didn't have the brains

Submitted by virginia republican on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:57am.

(this was supposed to be a response to hbonolikeeee's post above)

 

to organize and see the natural changes in climate as an opportunity to grab power and exert their authority over others. But don't you worry about any rationing which might come about. Al Gore will still be flying around the world in Gulfstreams, John Kerry will still be sailing around in his Rhode Island based tax-free yacht, Michelle will still be flying with a batallion of butt-kissers to Europe and  staying in rooms costing the taxpayers millions per day, etc. It's just us "little people" who would bear the brunt. If you don't understand the need for all this, then Dear Leader is simply not doing a good enough job of communicating......which is a nice way of saying we're all too damned stupid to understand.

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scientists...??

Submitted by wizardjr on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:03pm.

These cannot possibly be scientists... Lysenkoists perhaps, but not scientists. It has been well documented that the datasets were horribly mangled and molested so any results from them are immediately invalid. Then there's the fake data introduced into the data stream, and the cherry picking of data, etc., etc., etc.

To top it off, all the scare stories are based on computer models not provable research, models that have yet to prove accurate in any time frame, models that cannot predict the past, models whose code the "scientists" keep hiding from those of us schooled in computer science and statistical modeling.

"No amount of science and technology will ever overcome fear and superstition." - anon.

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Call to end countries growth

Submitted by NVRAT on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:06pm.

No problem, that is what Obamam and his czars are already doing.

NVRAT
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Good point

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:06pm.

Now he can chalk it all up as one of his accomplishments.

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I would still be happy if one

Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:13pm.

I would still be happy if one of these loons could describe what "normal" climate is supposed to be!

Are they going to recalibrate the data every few years to decide if it's time to "ease up" on the restrictions?

What if we go too far and unwittingly screw up the earth's climate in the other direction, leading to a new ice age???

Is there a certain "range" of temperatures that we are supposed to maintain??

None of these questions ever seem to occur to the Climate Illuminati.  They just "know" that "things are bad and we have to do something." 

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Just look outside

Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:21pm.

what you see is normal climate. In my 52 years, that is all I have seen.

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Persuasion through Fear

Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:12pm.

So, these guys apparently think that the last IPCC report drastically low-balled the forecast.

Now that the AGWers have lost political momentum in the US and (as I recall) Canada, they are racheting up the fear factor.

Cancun promises to be even less effective than Copenhagen.  And if Obama tries to use any Cancun resolutions as rationale for imposing Cap-and-Trade through the EPA, he will be doomed in 2012.

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Nice work if you can get it

Submitted by dbo on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:20pm.

Like all UN junkets the irony and hypocrisy is delicious.

The surreal nature of attending a climate change conference on a strip of land that 40 years ago was a mangrove swamp cannot be underestimated. In the 1970s the Mexican Government decided to create a ‘super resort’ with money from the oil industry. They transformed the white beaches and unspoilt rainforests into a series of motorways, concrete monaliths and raked beaches. Add cheap labour and booze and you have a success story. Cancun is now most well known as the destination of choice for American teenagers during Spring Break. It has 27,000 hotel rooms, liquor stores, white beaches and not much else. But it has also destroyed a pristine environment and is pumping out millions of tonnes of carbon and effluent everyday.

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Don't Forget

Submitted by SilverFox on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:26pm.

These are the very same people who told all of us that we were going into an ICE AGE back in the '70s.  They are only promoting themselves on a bandwagon to enhance their careers & at our expense.  I don't believe any of them!

SilverFox
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The simplicity of truth is:

Submitted by williamhenley on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:30pm.

  The earth is like a tether ball attached to the sun by a long string.  As the earth orbits the sun, it gradually gets a tiny bit closer to the sun with each revolution and gathers speed as the orbit gets smaller and smaller.  At a certain point (and speed) the earth sling-shots out into a further orbit away from the sun. 

 

  The long and short of it is, the earth gets warmer and warmer and suddenly moves to an outer orbit and in one year we go from really warm to an ice age.  Over the next 10 thousand years or so, the earth again moves into a tighter and tighter orbit and we, again, have a natural warming until the sling-shot repeats itself.  over and over and over.  Mankind has absolutly nothing to do with it.

 

This is proveable science and has been so proved by taking core samples of glaciers from all over the earth.  so there!

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How do glaciers show anything?

Submitted by TheHistorian on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:58pm.

Where does the Earth stand in this current cycle?  I know that we also have the fact that the magnetic poles flip every 50,000 years or so.  Are they related?  How about sunspots?  I understand we are very low, and they are at least affecting Northern Europe http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100414/full/news.2010.184.html

There is so little that we know about our Earth and its climate, how can these people try such a stunt?  My recommendation is that if they want to reduce global burden, they find a good sized island and go live there showing us how it is done.  I recommend Alcatraz.

“Liberals tend to put the onus of your success on society and conservatives on you and your family.”

Dennis Prager

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Academics, Politicians,

Submitted by PeskyDane on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:35pm.

Academics, Politicians, Think-tank members... all insulated from the policies which they would impose on the rest of us. 

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There are better ways

Submitted by 10ksnooker on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:47pm.

End the UN permanenetly.

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The irony is...

Submitted by JohnMcGrew on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:47pm.

...that such a program would devastate the "developing" world far more than it would devastate us.  As such a program would inevitably make America more of a "poor" country, the resources (economic, technology, and mostly food exports) that allow these places to "develop" at all would stop.  Millions would simply starve.

That is, of course, unless all of the world's major industries move and set up shop in those countries instead.  Perhaps that's the agenda for some.

But all in all, this is actually good news.  More and more these fascist are showing their real agenda, and once "being green" means something other than someone else making sacrifices, the electorate will put an end to it all.  If you thought there was a major housecleaning in government 4 weeks ago, you may have seen nothing yet.

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When, in history?

Submitted by phryingphish on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:51pm.

When, in history, has the promotion of any 3rd world country advanced society? Every time some program has been enacted to help any third world country that country either:

1. Reproduced themselves back to were they were, or

2. Decided that the rest of the world was only using them and "bit the hand that fed them."

In no instance that I can find is the country better off. Eventually greed of the people in power takes over and all we get is a bunch of very rich dictators. In some cases very well meaning people in charge fall to greed after becoming disillusioned by numbers 1&2 above.

By trying to scale back the industrialized nations and "bring up" the 3rd world all that will happen is the production of a new rich in those states. And the people will be in the same position they have been.

Mann Made Globull Warming is an attempt to do exactly the wrong thing.

 

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The answer to your question is ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:59pm.

... that many have figured out that the way up is through capitalism and freedom. Though few have taken it to a truly desirable extent, one could point to India and several other nations as having done a creditable job of making meaningful progress out of misery.

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I agree that some nations

Submitted by phryingphish on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:30pm.

I agree that some nations have HELPED THEIR COUNTRY to grow out of the lower depths of the third world on their own, India and to the same extent China. But I am talking of the countries that the industrial nations try to move up kicking and screaming, Uganda, Pakistan, Iran, any number of tin pot dictators in Latin America, Viet Nam. Every time we try to help the people either don't appreciate it or greed (on both sides) takes over.

India did it after throwing off the yoke of British dominance, much like the U.S.

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Where are the credentials?

Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 4:41pm.

In a series of papers published by the Royal Society, physicists and chemists from some of world’s most respected scientific institutions, including Oxford University and the Met Office, agreed that current plans to tackle global warming are not enough. 

How are physicists and chemists "experts" in climatology? Climatology is a discipline all it's own. And an extremely complicated one at that. This is like saying an electrical engineer is an "expert" in building construction. The AGW climatologists are all in hiding and the skeptictal climatologists are being ignored. So now we have physicists and chemists doubling as climate experts? Do climatologists now have "expert" opinions in developing and operating nuclear reactors? How about food additives and drug development? They're as expert on these topics as physicists and chemists are on the climate. Spare me.

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Most normal people with a

Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:58pm.

Most normal people with a functioning brain have pretty much figured out by now that man-made global warming is a gigantic hoax. It has been foisted on us by many of our genius politicians, so-called  "scientists", a gullible and agenda-driven media, et al.

Actually, "scam" would be a better choice of words, since lots of people and politicians are trying to make and have made gazillions off this fraud, including one of our illustrious former vice-presidents, that ultimate capitalist, Al Gore, all at the expense of the hapless taxpayer and consumer.  As usual.

Even Bill Clinton mocks Gore now.

This house of cards is collapsing, and rapidly.

The only thing that is being polluted is the minds of our children, who are being indoctrinated and propagandized in the public school system.

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I'm all for a 'rationing

Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:07pm.

I'm all for a 'rationing system'.....................of politicians, 'climate change experts', 'carbon credit' scam artists, and the rest of this self-appointed nit-wits who fly around to upscale, luxurious locales in order to tell the rest of us 'folks' how we're supposed to live, according to their loony theories - which never seem to pan out!!!

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Well

Submitted by well99 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:08pm.

It all boils down to give me money.The UN wants more to line their own pockets.Bernie would be proud of this scam.

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  This is nothing more than a

Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:27pm.

  This is nothing more than a power grab by the UN to become the leader in a one world government. 

  It's more than past time to ask these world domination dreamers to be kicked out of this country.

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We've been saying that for

Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:09pm.

We've been saying that for years!! Tell these guys to go find their own venue and their own damn funding..............the UN building is pretty big - I'm sure it could be used for something a hell of a lot more usefull than the useless UN........

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Killa

Submitted by well99 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:55pm.

I suggest they move the UN to Rwanda.

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Help me Rwanda!!! How about

Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:34pm.

Help me Rwanda!!! How about Somolia................that place is about as functional as the UN.

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There have been great

Submitted by Van Halen on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:33pm.

There have been great comments on here about the history of the Earth. Anyone doubting them should head over to their favorite bookstore or online bookstore and pick up a book on historical geology. See how the climate has changed over the ages. Only in the most recent history of the Earth have we seen a creature able to light a fire.

Bottom line: Climate change may or may not be happening. But it's happened before. And it's not man made. And as far as the people in Cancun are concerned, it's nothing more than - and check their own statements admitting this if you don't want to believe me - nothing more than a way to move huge sums of money from account X to account Y.

 

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Today's weather

Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:40pm.

Today, we're having a cold front coming through in Texas.  We didn't have a cold front come through on this exact date a year ago.  But cold fronts come through whenever they want to come through.

Climate Change?  Certainly.  We're going to have a couple of cold days with a lot of wind and then it'll go back to being kinda cool.  Global warming caused by man?  Absolutely not.  Just plain old weather.

-Jon

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Here is a suggestion

Submitted by TheHistorian on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:44pm.

Let's see Europe and Canada meet the Kyoto that it signed first.  Then we can consider other world changes.  I am tired of the whole Euro-weenie driving this train, putting it in the ditch, and then asking the US to pull them out.  It is time for Europe to stand on its hind legs, even if it means that they have a permanent Depression in Europe and force all of their people to freeze to death or not have a job.  After all, they agreed to that cap, and signed their names.

Got that, Cancun?  No more "new standards" until you meet the old ones.

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Dennis Prager

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No more new highways, 100% of my gas tax goes to wages...

Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:15pm.

Keep the gov bubble growing, at the cost of building the infrastructure... a  Green Dream coming true right before our eyes...

China is more than happy to continue to drill, mine, and manufacture.

You Didn't Build That.

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The same people who brought

Submitted by danbo on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:28pm.

The same people who brought us Oil for Food. Brough us Global Warming.

More reason to tell these people where to go.

 

"You lie!"  Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

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How would this even help?

Submitted by jimbo297 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:54pm.

If oil or other fossil fuel is too expensive for me to keep my family warm with-guess what?  That pile of tires in my back yard is going to start to look awfully inviting as a fuel source.  I like to set one of those puppies off every time I read any of this nonsense.  Black smoke is sooo pretty...

Barry's doing his best to knock us off our perch at the top of the heap, but even he can't succeed in keeping us down.  So we have a bunch of new laws that say we can't do this but we must do that...Americans are going to pursue their freedom no matter who is in charge...our democracy still works!  If our freedom is being trampled, we'll simply elect someone else to be in charge and tell these Eurogoons where to stick it.

No economic growth for twenty years?  Sure boss-I'm sure that's something you and a bunch of White House toadies would loo-oove to see.  Unfortunately (for you) it's going to take alot of convincing on the part of 350 million Americans to make it happen.

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The concert no warmist would applaud. U-2 visit to down under

Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:55pm.

U2’S 360 Degrees tour, the most expensive rock spectacle ever, is here. The tour, with a daily running cost of $850,000, arrived on six 747 jets…

“You compare a tour by the number of trucks they use,” production manager Jake Berry said. “The Rolling Stones ran 46 trucks. We are running 55. This is the biggest.”

You Didn't Build That.

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Yeah, upcounty, but their

Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:44am.

Yeah, upcounty, but their hearts and intentions are in the right place, so it's OK!!!

Personally, I wouldn't hear U2 if they played over here for free.....................

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Once again Obama is ahead of

Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:06pm.

Once again Obama is ahead of the curve, with his policies guaranteeing zero percent or negative growth during the next two decades.

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I'd also like to see China

Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:07pm.

I'd also like to see China and India sign onto the no growth for twenty years platform. 

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I'm just supposing

Submitted by Semus on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:17pm.

What would happen to a country or group of countries if it was blamed over and over again for all the worlds problems. All the worlds ill's could be layed at the doorsteps of this group. OK now let's suppose the focal point of this group is one country in particular, This country is evil, selfish, overbearing everything they have is the direct result of stealing from everyone else, Now suppose this evil entity could be broken or defeated wouldn't we all be better off if this happened? Now suppose we have a group of very high minded people from this same country who actually agree with this notion. What would happen to country eventually?


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Well, Obama is sure doing his part to ensure there will be no...

Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:21pm.

...economic growth for the next 20 years.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Uh - they heard of

Submitted by Slyrr on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:51pm.

Uh - they heard of Obama?

Have these so-called experts not seen what Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et. al., have been DOING for the last four years (and by association, their whole lives)?

Not only is there zero growth in America thanks to Obama and his insane policies, but he and his like-minded lunatics are dialing BACK American growth.  This crazed administration and it's clueless goons have been dismantling, destroying and tearing down the country from the moment they got into their cushy taxpayer funded offices.

Not only that, they're trying to make sure other countries have the advantage over us - militarily, economically, morally, you name it.  Democrats and Leftists ARE the negative growth that the enviro-nazis have been blitzkrieging for.

They should be dancing in the streets, but they're still moaning and whining.  Because Rush was right - again.  No matter how much you give a liberal, it's never enough.

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.
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I propose at least a twenty

Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:31pm.

I propose at least a twenty year moratorium on "international conferences" having any thing to do with a enviro/socio/political nature - especially at foreign resorts. It's where all the trouble really takes root and gets going. They sow the seeds of our misery and poverty and have fun and get a good tan while doing so.

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
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Climategate...

Submitted by Cowboy on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:29am.

So these scientists who flew, this time,  to their luxury resort in Cancun are calling for what?

Hypocracy?

Transparency?

It's called Climategate...

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You can have my Carbon...

Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 4:02am.

When you pry it out of my cold, dead, hands, which, coincidentally, are made mostly of carbon.

Carbon based life forms emit carbon in various forms and various means!  The Horror, the Horror!

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What is catastrophic climate change?

Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 4:19am.

What, exactly, IS catastrophic climate change?  This planet has had every type of climate variation imaginable, from being so hot that water couldn't even exist as a liquid, to being so warm ( 10 degrees Celsius hotter than today) that vast jungles covered most of the land surface (tell me again how this is bad?), to almost the entire surface being covered in miles of ice, yet life not only survived, it flourished.  It was those changes that caused evolution itself.  Without climate change we wouldn't, and couldn't, survive.

So, what is catastrophic climate change?  It's when it changes to no climate whatsoever. Something that will occur in about 3 to 5 BILLION years from now, when the sun grows so big and so hot that the very atmosphere itself boils away into the vacuum of space.  Am I really supposed to worry about what will happen 3 to 5 billions years from now? 

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