Gosh, I thought you could just throw up a few solar panels, plug into the grid, and our energy problems would be solved in an environmentally perfect way. (/sarc)
Of course not.
Early this morning, Rita Beamish of the Associated Press reported that solar panel projects are running into problems with water availability and efforts to protect endangered species. But, as usual for a report on energy production, she fails to tell us how much the energy produced from such installations, if they ever go active, would cost.
Here are a few selected paragraphs from Beamish's report:
Solar finds it hard to squeeze water from desert
A westward dash to power electricity-hungry cities by cashing in on the desert's most abundant resource - sunshine - is clashing with efforts to protect the tiny pupfish and desert tortoise and stinginess over the region's rarest resource: water.
Water is the cooling agent for what traditionally has been the most cost-efficient type of large-scale solar plants. To some solar companies answering Washington's push for renewable energy on vast government lands, it's also an environmental thorn. The unusual collision pits natural resources protections against President Barack Obama's plans to produce more environmentally friendly energy.
..... The solar hopefuls are encountering overtaxed aquifers and a legendary legacy of Western water wars and legal and regulatory scuffles. Some are moving to more costly air-cooled technology - which uses 90 percent less water - for solar plants that will employ miles of sun-reflecting mirrors across the Western deserts.
..... The National Park Service is worried about environmental consequences of solar proposals on government lands that are administered by the Bureau of Land Management. It says it supports the solar push but is warning against water drawdowns, especially in southern Nevada. In the Amargosa Valley, the endangered, electric-blue pupfish lives in a hot water, aquifer-fed limestone cavern called Devil's Hole.
..... Companies are wrestling with routes for long-distance transmission lines and habitat for the threatened desert tortoise. They also are worried about a proposal being developed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., for a Mojave national monument, which could put up to 600,000 acres off-limits alongside already protected park and military lands. It could affect at least 14 solar and five wind energy proposals.
Nowhere in any of this does Beamish give us information about how much energy installations such as these might produce, or what the cost of producing that energy would be.
Solar energy advocates tend to downplay, and the press tends to ignore, the massive amounts of land their facilities would demand, and the resources needed to keep solar panels operating efficiently.
Ultimately, these and other factors cause the cost of generating energy via solar to be far higher than that involving fossil fuels. One analysis (imperfect, to be sure; if anyone has a better one, let me know) shows that solar is "5-20 times more expensive than the cheapest source of conventional electricity generation, although .... (it) may only be 3-5 times the electricity tariff that utility customers pay."
As to getting solar to be "economically viable," the author of this post cuts to the chase in its final paragraph:
The bottom line is that despite the lower PV panel costs; we are still not at parity with hydrocarbon fuels such as coal and oil. Carbon based taxing or alternative energy stimulus and more investment into alternative energy is required to improve the economics of solar and wind.
So if the economics don't work, governments are going to have to force them to work through taxation. At least the author is honest about it. It would be nice if the establishment press would shine a bit of light on comparative costs every once in a while.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters




















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It doesn't add up
April 18, 2009 - 08:36 ET by pbthinkerWhat happens when people figure out this whole thing is built on a false premise? CO2 is not a pollutant, simple as that. It never has been and never will be, it's a natural bi-product of human activity that is absorbed by our surroundings as a natural bi-product of their activities.
Without this false premise, the whole global warming theory breaks down so rapidly that it would be considered a joke and not real science. Now, with the inmates running the asylum, we stand a chance of ruining the whole country and the economy, with laws designed to cut down something that is not a pollutant. How stupid is that?
If we look at all the area solar energy products take up and then look at the area a nuclear power plant would take up, you can see what a joke this whole alternative energy is, if we don't look at all the "alternatives". If Solar Power was really that good, they wouldn't have to make laws to get it going, it would just come about.
I live in Florida and there is little solar power in the "Sunshine State". FPL is looking into wind turbines to generate electricity and is being stymied by the NIMBY effect.
What Obama will succeed in doing is making laws that will accomplish little except disruption of our society, then find a way to blame the results on Bush.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
What mankind has learned over the years, is now worthless.
April 18, 2009 - 08:38 ET by upcountrywaterWe as a civilzation, have a window in time to build nuclear power plants, that window is closing, and we as a free people, living in a free country, well it's going DARK, a winking out of western progress, forever.
Feelings NOW RULE over data and science laws, brave new cave man jungle rules, here we come.
Humans will never leave earth orbit, EVER again!
Tax them! keep taxing progress, now that's the answer.
How about the more cloudy weather in the next few years?
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
The King
April 18, 2009 - 08:44 ET by dboUltimately, these and other factors cause the cost of generating energy
via solar to be far higher than that involving fossil fuels.
Nobody knows this better than head of the Snake Oil Society of America himself, Al Gore.
Simple fact is
April 18, 2009 - 09:00 ET by general company..They want no industry that will not require subsidizing. This is part of Gov control, they cant just take over Big Oil, so they will try to legislate them into bankruptcy. This goes for any other industry that makes a profit.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
SF Chronicle researched the cost on one "green" issue
April 18, 2009 - 09:04 ET by jeffinsacNot sure if you heard, but the city of Berkeley is proposing that homeowners spend any where from $33,800 to $46,300 to make them "green".
"Hot debate ahead on Berkeley's energy plans"
http://www.sfgate.co...
What they failed to mention is Berkeley only has 42% homeownership rate (The CA average was 56% in last census) so this means 58% of the poeple of Berkeley, who won't be directly effected by this cost, can demand that 42% of the population that do spend an outragous amount of money.
Interesting
April 18, 2009 - 09:14 ET by general companyIt must be so much fun to live in this area, fools shooting the golden goose, how delightful. I should add, they deserve the unintended consequence.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Nuke the Greens
April 18, 2009 - 09:34 ET by nolotrippenI'm reading Steven Milloy's Green Hell: How Environmentalists Plan to Ruin Your Life and What You Can Do to Stop Them
http://www.amazon.co...
It's all there. The Greens don't really want renewable energy or cheap energy or sustainable energy. They want you, quite literally, dead. Mother earth is their religion and she is a jealous goddess who doesn't want to share her abundance...er...strained resources with CO2-spewing humans.
I have decided it's time to be Mean to Green.
The Cloud over Solar Power
April 18, 2009 - 09:48 ET by allanfI don't want to put solar panels in a dark light, but its dark at least half roughly half of the hours in a year. So the panels are a poor source of at home on demand power.
The other issue is output. Here is what GE says about its residential solar panels. GE divides the country into six regions and lists the following output for its solar panels. (The high output regions are not very well inhabited).
1 kW (DC) GE Energy Solar System Zone Average Monthly kWh
(AC) Production Range
1 80-90
2 90-100
3 105-115
4 115-125
5 125-135
6 135-145
But what about....
April 18, 2009 - 10:28 ET by flyingmonkeyWouldn't the miles and miles of reflective panels disrupt the environment and natural landscape more-so than the couple of square miles needed to drill in ANWR?
I smell hypocrisy here.
wind and solar, what they aren,t telling you
April 18, 2009 - 10:52 ET by larry on LIutility sized installations [500 megawatt or larger] require enormous tracts of of real estate and access to transmision lines.a utility sized project will take approximately 10 to 13 years from inception to start of the project, plans,siteing,studies, filings for invromental inpact,and ofcourse defending the project from blocking type lawsuits,nimby and banna type . a case in study is sen. diane feinstein [ca] trying to block a so.cal. solar project.
due to the fact that both methods of power production are subject to the whims of mother nature,when the wind or sun aren't cooperating both installations require 'fossil' fuel backup power plants, natural gas or diesel.the backup must have the ability to pick up the load in a realitive short notice therefore a conventional sized steam plant can't be counted on as reliable backup,as they require too much time to be either started up or their capacity to be acquired.
last but, most important is the acquiring the land, a utility sized wind project, 800 megawatt, requires a minimum of 25 square miles of open land , considering the fact that the U.S. government owns 1/2 of the acreage in the country, most of which is severely resticted , that's a mighty big cost. solar reguires less land , but reguires water to clean the solar panels. large tracts of land with water???? i have a great idea call diane feinstein !
A little Off Topic, but.......
April 18, 2009 - 15:11 ET by Steve08080I just had to share this report. It's not about Solar Energy, but it is an environmental issue. I read this report about debunking Global Warming. Quite a report and a good read especially the conclusion. Enjoy!
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/markey_and_barton_letter.pdf
PASS IT ALONG!!!!!!
HaHa Real enviromentalists vs Alternative Energy Lobby
April 18, 2009 - 21:13 ET by Daniel BakerPeople preserving nature vs thousands of loud wind turbines, or miles of silicon plates.
Its funny
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Typical Progressive Reactions To any Type of Progress
April 19, 2009 - 02:53 ET by Horizon3I new this was going to happen even before they passed Porkulus. Yet another complete waste of our tax dollars. The tree huggers will keep any solar or wind project tied up in court for years, as well as any attempt to extend and expand the distribution grid, and they will keep at it untill every dime allocated in the stymie-us package is spent on litigation and useless environmental impact studies.
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