Too Good To Be True? Obama Iraq Troop Greeting Allegedly Staged

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So says MacsMind (via Flopping Aces via Minority Report via Jeff Emanuel at RedState).

MacsMind's post is in response to an all-too-predictable gusher delivered by Democratic operative disguised as Associated Press reporter Jennifer Loven on April 7 (bold is mine):

Cheered wildly by U.S. troops, President Barack Obama flew unannounced into Iraq on Tuesday and promptly declared it was time for Iraqis to "take responsibility for their country" after America's commitment of six years and thousands of lives.

"You have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country," the president said as he made a brief inspection of a war he opposed as candidate and now vows to end as commander in chief. "That is an extraordinary achievement."

MacsMind contends that the troop contingent was contrived, based on an e-mail he says he received "from a sergeant that was there." The corresponding sergeant also dropped a telltale clue (in bold):

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We were pre-screened, asked by officials “Who voted for Obama?”, and then those who raised their hands were shuffled to the front of the receiving line. They even handed out digital cameras and asked them to hold them up.

Take a look at the picture at AP and notice all the cameras are the same models? Coincidence? I think not.

Well, well, here's the picture in question:

ObamaTroopsAndCameras0409

Indeed, there are an awful lot of cameras that look awfully identical.

Another consolidated wire report found at the Dallas Morning News at midnight on April 8 described the event as "hundreds of U.S. troops cheering wildly" and as "a stunning show of appreciation for Obama from military men and women who have made great sacrifices, many serving repeated tours in a highly unpopular war."

So it seems that the establishment press got played. It also appears that New Media made them look like the fools they are. And it looks like Team Obama is going to have to improve its stealth techniques the next time around.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters


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Staged??

Barry's visit was staged? What? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Seriously? Is this a serious post?

Bwahahahahahahaha! You guys need a hobby.

 

As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy

So do you Jen. I've read

So do you Jen.

I've read your posts here since you've come trollin' along.

You are another one that has over-stayed their welcome in my eyes.

...but heck, what the hell do I know.

The longer trolls like you stay here and threads are diverted instead of staying on the topics like what happened here this morning with real passion from others on the right side of the aisle...people stray off and go elsewhere.

Of course I know you have a job to do along with your other pals...so as usual...carry on...troll along your merry way...but people leave and your agenda is fulfilled.

Job well done Brownie.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Bigtimer...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/photogallery/The-Troops-in-Iraq/

 

Do all those cameras look alike? C'mon guys.....really.

As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy

Jen... Troll. Doubling down

Jen...

Troll.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Figures...

April 14, 2009 - 18:14 ET by bigtimer

Jen...

Troll.

It figures you'd ignore what is right in front of you. Classic.

 

As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy

Staged?

I have taken the liberty of drawing squares and circles around the like cameras. View the photo for yourself. Of course, not all the cameras are the same. Some people may have brought their own to Baghdad with them under the assumption they might want to take photos...

 http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/mrhippo/stagedpresident.jpg

In other news, the Baghdad gift shop just happened to have a sale on cameras the same day Obama showed up.

What I do see

is that everybody identifiable in the picture is an E-5 or higher.  Did they put all the grunts on guard duty?  Or just banish them to the back row?

the giveaway is the

the giveaway is the "stunning" welcome of the empty suit

gee why would it be so stunning i wonder

btw the msm wasn't duped - they all had advance faxes explaining the staging - with headline suggestions - which most of them probably used

of course all of dumbed down America will be easily duped - yet again

Jen

My man in the green zone tells me those are really Iraqi prioners. they were given extra rations to don us uniforms and pretend they were in rapture.

 

Yes. Idiot. Yes they do.

Jen7 idiot: Do all those cameras look alike? C'mon guys.....really.

 The link you provided refutes your own argument. Idiot. Yes. The cameras in the link you provided all do look alike. Idiot.

Jen7.....go to the source!

As I said to mvfreeman yesterday:  did you follow the link to macsmind?

He got an email from a Sergeant there who said (emphasis mine):

“We were pre-screened, asked by officials “Who voted for Obama?”, and then those who raised their hands were shuffled to the front of the receiving line. They even handed out digital cameras and asked them to hold them up.”  

So it doesn't really matter if all the cameras are the same.

Do you think the Sergeant lied?

If you do, have the courage to say so!

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

bt... Seriously...just

bt...

Seriously...just what kind of odds would make you comfortable?  I would estimate the ratio of regular conservative posters to regular lib posters currently at NB is somewhere around 30-1.  Is that insufficient? 

Jer

Well, if you put a pinch of

Well, if you put a pinch of dog poop in a batch of brownies, it still ruins the whole batch.  I don't think anyone would care whether the ratio was 30:1 or 100:1, it still ruins the whole brownie experience.

 

When asked if he went to war with Iraq  to derail the impeachment vote:  “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Agreed...but that's what

Agreed...but that's what banning is designed to remedy.  Getting rid of the worthless poop.  It's not as if it hasn't been done before.  On many occasions.

Jer

I thought Uncle Jer knew how to pick a fight.

The Jen7 posted a link that refutes his own argument. Uncle Jer is going to bat to defend an idiot like that?

Shame Uncle Jer. Shame.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

Uncle Jer is not defending

Uncle Jer is not defending anyone.  Uncle Jer is commenting on bt's remark that Jen and her pals are running off conservative posters from NB, and is asking bt what ratio of conservatives vs. liberals at NB would make her more comfortable since there are a very small number of liberals who currently post here.

Uncle Jer

that's odd

I thought this was a hobby.

Are you getting paid?

Bwahahahahahahaha! You guys

Bwahahahahahahaha! You guys need a hobby

I have one, sniffing out TROLLS.  Hey yall I found one.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Hey Dan...she has been

Hey Dan...she has been since day one here.

Are you going to a Texas Tea Party tomorrow?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Yes, Im thinking of going as

Yes, Im thinking of going as a Teabag.  It will be a cheesy thing of Paper around my torso.  I will have some form of my moniker Dan The Man 2 and Newsbusters on it.  My son may go with me.  My wife is watching American Idol. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

What's New from the Pentagon?

MacArthur's return landing in the Philippines was staged? What? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Patton's parade into Messina was staged?  What?  I'm shocked!  Shocked, I tell you!

GWB's "Mission Accomplished" was staged?  What? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

What's new?  The military has been pulling these stunts for decades.

Then it was generals.  Now it's the commanders- in-chief.

I am confused by your post.

Gen. MacArther was loved by the troops.
Gen. Patton was loved by the troops.
President Bush was loved by the troops.

President Obama - most likely despised by the troops. Definitely despised by retirees.

Chain of Command

1) The event in Iraq did not take place with retired military, but active military.  Active military follows orders.  Active military commanders want to put their best foot forward in front of the CIC.  2) Links to Blumer's blog indicate the crowd was pre-screened for BHO supporters.  Therefore - staged event.  No surprise. 

My point is that when film of MacArthur's triumphal landing in the Philippines was sent back home, it wasn't the first time that day MacArthur had landed.  There were several takes done to make the general look good.  

Same theory but with different implementation with Patton & GWB.  Events put on to make those leaders look good for the folks back home.  The Obama show, like ones prior was staged by military commanders.

I'm not saying the troops genuinely like BHO . . . far from it. I just think the wrong PR machine is taking the blame for staging the show.  So this isn't a case of who loves Obama, but who wants to make full colonel.

I'm not so sure military

I'm not so sure military leaders in Iraq have the time, nor tolerance to stage this on their own.  I'd bet the O's handlers and teletubbies (errr...teleprompter technicians) called in advance to "suggest" they do so, if they had any designs for making full bird.

I'm not so sure military

I'm not so sure military leaders in Iraq have the time, nor tolerance to stage this on their own.  I'd bet the O's handlers and teletubbies (errr...teleprompter technicians) called in advance to "suggest" they do so, if they had any designs for making full bird.

can vouch for this

A correspondent on another blog is a defense contractor presently in Baghdad, who wrote a similar story told to her by the troops that weren't allowed to get close, nor did they get a free camera.

 It's a scandal just to ask a US military personnel to say who they vote for-- 

While this doesnt suprise me

I am glad he finally did spend some time with the Troops, they deserve his aknowledgement. They also deserve more then camara's, they deserve benifits, they deserve respect, they deserve far more then the left has ever given them.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

He didn't spend 'time with

He didn't spend 'time with the troops'.  He's just using this as another populist photo-op.  He could care less about their service, so long as his political needs are met.

You said it all

You said it all SS.

Simple as that.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Sure he did

 He didn't spend 'time with the troops'.

 I have seen the photos. I understand your point, unfortunatly you missed mine.

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

gc... Hey, I don't think

gc...

Hey, I don't think anybody missed your point...in fact we are agreeing with it...at least I was...both you and SS points were well made.

Know what I mean?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Sure

I am sometimes too sarcastic for my own good, thanks

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Me too.  Sorry if that

Me too.  Sorry if that sounded like disrespect.

I'm a former 'troop', and I hated rent-a-crowds.

Did Orwell predict the future?  Or are the enemies of freedom following Orwell's example?

The left is continually

The left is continually looking for new ways to spit on the troops they love to hate.

This time it's treating returning troops as potential domestic terrorist.

He's just trying to recognize them

He just wants to be able to recognize them when they come home, cuz HE knows they'll be joining one of those terrible RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY groups.  You know, those folks who still believe in the Constitution, LEGAL immigration, State's rights...crazy stuff like that.

What?  You didn't read the memo?  They're going to come home, get pissed, and then train the rest of us to retake Iraq..er...America.

 ...from my cold dead hands... 

Well said, and that's a very

Well said, and that's a very important distinction.  Bush spent TIME with the troops (one of the important.   Obama uses them for photo ops and false glory.   This is, after all, the man who refused to salute the flag, and who wouldn't go into the military hospital when he found out cameras wouldn't be allowed.   Bush often eschewed media presence to really spend time with the troops.

Obama never refused to salute

Obama never refused to salute the flag.  And the claim he wouldn't visit the military hospital without cameras is highly dubious at best.

Jer

Jer - I guess you have conveniently forgotten the picture

of Obama, Hillary, Bill Richardson and one other Democrat standing on an outdoor stage taken during the primary election...in Iowa, maybe?  The last 3 ALL had their hands on their hearts - Barack Obama had his hands clasped in front of him. 

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD CALL REFUSING TO SALUTE THE FLAG!

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

No, I recall that picture

No, I recall that picture very well.  It was prominently displayed here at NB.  He was facing the flag and singing the National Anthem but did not have his hand over his heart.  I also recall a picture of Bush with his hand over his stomach.

Neither were refusing to salute the flag.

Jer

You are parsing Uncle Jer. Very disingenuous.

  Senator Obama REFUSED to place his hand over his heart while the National Anthem was playing in the presence of the United States Flag. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW! And he was dumb enough to let himself be photographed doing it. Even Uncle Jer is not that dumb.

 The claim he would not go to visit wounded veterans because news cameras could not follow him is speculative but fits the overall narrative that he is a narcissist. Not highly dubious.

  Some of Uncler Jer's claims can be highly dubious not just speculative.

Not suprised at all by that

I don't know any military personnel who has an 'appreciation' of a man that doesn't want to pay their medical bills for injuries they sustain on duty.

 

MSM quick get names so you

MSM quick get names so you can write am anti-Iraq/anti-military story and look un-biased too since your talking to an Iraq war vet it's got to be un-biased!

Credibility

It strikes me that any event where the military "wildly" embraces the commander-in-chief is, from the get-go, somewhat staged. I mean, half the time, that's why the president gets in front of a military crowd in the first place. Think about it - who here is shocked, shocked! that there was some manipulation ... at a photo-op? That's what a photo-op is in the first place. 

As to the clumsiness of the staging, it wouldn't surprise me. These guys can't manage a lemonade stand.

Not to be a broken record, but this is good cause to step back and look at how we conduct our politics. I mean, the photo-op is a standard political exercise. But it's obvious manipulation. We place the president in front of flags, make him wear blue ties, etc., all to send subliminal messages to viewers. Unless you've been living under a rock, everyone who views these events knows that these staging details are all small forms of manipulation. Usually, the success of manipulation comes when the manipulation isn't noticed; but in politics, everyone knows they're being manipulated.

I mean, it's as if the public is saying, we know you're lying to us, but we're going to be persuaded by what you say anyway. That's madness. That's not cognitive dissonance. That's stupidity.

Well, sometimes the troops rebel

And refuse to participate in the photo op.

This comes to mind....John F'ing all alone in the Mess Hall in Iraq.

I don't care how much TOTUS's team tries to stage manage it, he is loathed by most in the military.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Hilarious pic...

But Kerry was never Commander-in-Chief.

True, mv

But this was a little bit of payback after F'ing's "stuk in Irak" comment, before the primary season, even.

The troops remember being dissed....Obama accused them of "air-raiding villages"....do not forget the very subdued reaction he got at Christmas (when he was PEBO) from the Marines in Hawaii.

Just for fun....the only other picture I like better of John (the Frenchman) Kerry (he served in Iraq) was when he was touring NASA, and is dressed up like a big condom.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

LOL

He looked like a bigger doofus than Dukakis riding in that armored vehicle.

I realize most of the troops don't care too much for O. My son is in the navy and he and his buddies can't stand him.

That being said, most of these photo ops with troops are contrived to some degree. And to the chagrin of many O is now CnC. So they have no choice but to respect the office if not the man.

I'm reminded of a line from Band of Brothers, where Capt Sobel wouldn't salute Maj Winters.  Winters says "Captain, you salute the rank,  not the man."

This photo immediately

made me think staged.

Ditto.  Looking at the

Ditto.  Looking at the concentration of blacks (Oh noes!  I R racist! *snerk*) right up against Obama, it seems obvious that the crowd was cherrypicked.  

www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi

I can't credit this,

I can't credit this, because I can't remember where I read this, but it immediately comes to mind:

You're not that smart.  And we're not that dumb.

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

That would also explain why

That would also explain why the majority of these soldiers are Black.  62.7% of the US Army is White and 19.8% is Black.  I don't see that ratio here, not even close.  Good find by MacsMind on the cameras.  

 

"Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of
soccer." (Dogma)

Check out this pic

Look at this pic...

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Obama_in_Iraq_Apr_7b.jpg

More white folks and different looking cameras.

And about the whole camera thing, aren't there limited places for a soldier in Iraq to buy a digital camera? I would think that the local px probably carries just a few brands.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0401003&type=category

Digital cameras pretty much look the same anyway.

Possibly true...but did you

Possibly true...but did you follow the link here to Macsmind?The blogger got an email from a Sergeant on site who said:

“We were pre-screened, asked by officials “Who voted for Obama?”, and
then those who raised their hands were shuffled to the front of the
receiving line. They even handed out digital cameras and asked them to
hold them up.”

Do you think he's lying?

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

I honestly can't say.

How did that whole rumor about a plastic turkey start when Bush went over there?

At this point I think there are more important things to worry about than whether they got a few friendly troops up front for some pics. 

Besides, (if it's true) think about the ribbing those soldiers are gonna get from their squadmates or platoon mates who are  less than enthralled with O. From what I understand, nobody likes a suck-up or ass kisser.

Not following the logic here.

How does this compare to the Anti-Bush rumour about a plastic turkey that was proved false.

The photo evidence SUPPORTS the blogger and sargeant's email. Are you calling them a liar?

 And isn't that just about every response for every Obama gaffe/goof so far? think there are more important things to worry about than whether...

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF -- you nailed it. And

JWF -- you nailed it.

And if the staged event wasn't that important, why did the Obamabots go to so much trouble to statge it? 

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell
Check out Hollycrud checker-outers

At this point I think

At this point I think there are more important things to worry about than whether they got a few friendly troops up front for some pics.


You're so right.  I'm dying to know a whole lot more about the First Dog (and no, I don't mean Hillary Clinton).

And guess what, I won't be disappointed judging by coverage of the water pooch so far! 

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell
Check out Hollycrud checker-outers

Nothing about Obama is real

Nothing.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

He could be the new "The

He could be the new "The Man Who Never Was"

A whole system of personality, events, reactions, activities, etc....all fabricated  to create the illusion of someone who doesn't exist. 

They might say "Wow, that sucks!"  But at least they'll say "Wow!"  -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes

mb - as I read earlier, BO has a better pedigree than

his new owner - even has the papers to back it up ;-) 

Speaking of which, if the Obamas didn't pay Kennedy for the dog, it may be an 'over the limit' gift which is a big NO-NO!  But I forgot, the rules don't apply to either party involved in this transaction ;-)

It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue. ~ Sam Adams

What Kerry said was true

Looks like they are the uneducated part of the military that got stuck in Iraq Kerry was talking about.

 (as a military member, I can make fun of that) 

Wow!

Spread this one around. I would love to see the looks on the MSM's faces if this hits Drudge... fat chance on anyone else picking this up.

Utopia

Everything is perfect.

Stop denying that everything is perfect.

POTEMKIN VISIT

Once again our DearLeader spontaneously arrives at the Front Lines, and is treated to a rousing display of undying Patriotic Fervor. All reports that this totally unplanned event was staged; are nothing but Counter-Revolutionary slander, but do not be troubled fellow Citizens. The DearLeaders cadre of brave Home Land Security protectors are fanning throughout the countryside, prepared to root-out all enemies of Progress ism.

 

_________________________ 

Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !

the other side of the story

"So it seems that the establishment press got played."

Oh, Tom - The press wasn't played. Instead, they were grateful that this was staged because this was the story they wanted to report.

Stealth

Pass out 20  different styles of cameras next time.!!!

More fake news from the propagandists at the office of the O.

 

ROFLMAO

This doesn't come as much of surprise...

My husband is an Air Force veteran, and I remember he used to tell me about certain occasions when he was active duty when they would have what was called "rent-a-crowd". The troops were "unofficially" expected to attend an event/occasion...meaning that it wasn't an "order", exactly, but they were expected to attend.

The fact that this went on at O's appearance in Iraq is not a surprise...I figured as soon as I saw the pictures, that all the Obama supporters in the crowd were in the front, and this appears to be the case. But, despite the glowing reports and faces, the majority of the military doesn't think particularly highly of Obama...They think he's an empty suit lightweight, who doesn't know (or care) one blessed thing about the military. And they haven't forgotten some of the less than flattering (or true) things that he said during the campaign about the military, and believe me, they won't forget them, either.    

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

*nod*

I remember these.  They were met with a foot dragging and a groan, but still met.  There are standards to be upheld, after all.  Interesting that it got leaked as being so blatant though.  Someone's job is on the line for spreading the photo op "cheese" too thick.

Nonetheless - We know an empty suit when we see it and we know disrespect when we hear it.  Most of my husband's retired/active friends know Obama for what he is.  But there are a few that voted for him that probably jumped to be in the front.  The military isn't a clone factory.

I volunteered for missions

to avoid this type of crap.

sometimes I didn't mind

(anything that required him to wear his choker whites were "hubba hubba" in my book. ;))

 

kata..."hubba hubba" is right...

I know what you mean...The men do look mighty handsome in those Air Force mess dress uniforms. :) 

"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981

not always bad

I remember when I was in the Navy we used to get a few days off a couple times per year to work as extras in movie productions that were happening on the base. This strikes me as pretty much the same except you get to see a really GREAT actor!

 

"Lead, follow or get out of the way!"

oops

another CoP staff member bites the dust.

Hugging?

What soldier, sailor, airman, or marine would ever loose their bearing to the point that they would "hug" the commander in chief? One that voted for him, only.

BK... Lemmings roam all over

BK...

Lemmings roam all over the earth.

Please don't jump on me here, but facts are facts...I salute and have ever-lasting gratitude for the military as everyone knows...I am speaking in general regarding life.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Jump on you BT?

Never my friend. My point was that no military man/woman worth his or her salt would be so casual with the CIC. Its simply a lack of respect- which in my mind, makes them faux solders- and more than likely, not combat soldiers. Of course, I'm a Marine Veteran, so I'm a tad biased...

What if the president is casual with them?

Kinda like this...

http://2.bp.blogspot...

We don't know who initiated the hug.

which in my mind, makes them faux solders- and more than likely, not combat soldiers

That's a hoot. You do realize that these troops are in f***ing Iraq right?

Faux? Hardly.

 

 

You obviously know nothing

You obviously know nothing of military bearing. And not all troops are in combat arms- just wearing a uniform does not qualify you as a warrior. And as for your picture- my comment still stands.

Grief

Just because some one is not in a combat unit doesn't disqualify them as a real soldier. They wear the same uniform and go to the same war zones.

Even the marines have logistical units...

http://www.logcom.us...

yet they say every marine is a rifleman...

http://www.blackfive...

Regardless of MOS they all went through the same basic training.

Yes, every Marine is a

Yes, every Marine is a rifleman. I was an 0811, Field Artillery cannoneer primarily, but the Corps repeatedly trains all Marines to be adequate in combat arms. However, not all Marines are proficient in combat arms. And since the Army does not hold to the same level of training or philosophy fro its soldiers, and these were aparently mostly Army or National Guard admin types, I suspect that they were not too close to "a war zone." When was the last American combat death in the "green zone?" And since it was the media that was promoting the soldiers in attendance as though they sufficiently represented all soldiers, my beef is that I doubt that to be entirely true. As a veteran, I take nothing away from anyone who serves- they all deserve our thanks and praise, but that doesn't mean they all serve in the same capacity. And, in my view, any active duty military member who supports this adminstration, is either a glutton for punishment, or is not serious about their career in the military- hence my (admittedly overly harsh) "faux soldiers" comment.

Thanks

My dad was an E-5 in signal corps in the army and my son is an O-1 assigned to an amphib in the navy.

Just don't like to see somebody's service denigrated because of a difference in politics.

Thanks for your service.

So, BKeyser, who was the

So, BKeyser, who was the last Democrat CIC who you felt was worthy of the military's support?

Jer

I am starting to not like you very much at all.

The picture you linked appears to be something it is not. The perspective is lost. I would like to see that that picture from another angle. I believe he is talking or gesturing to someone in the crowd.

I looked at a lot of other pictures from that event. He is talking, shaking hands, reaching out to shake hands.

You are full of poo and your partisan hack picture with no perspective is full of poo too.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Incidentally,

notice the great variety of cameras in that photo -- there's about half a dozen, and they're all different.

Just sayin'...  

EXACTLY!

I was thinking that exact same thing. I could not imagine hugging a Admiral or  Master Chief and they are just a bit further down the chain of command.

WOW! hugging the president in uniform. Unsat!

 

"Lead, follow or get out of the way!"

Amen.

Amen.

Yep, straight out of The

Yep, a scene straight out of The West Wing. Cut! Print! Return props to storage...

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

I mentioned this type of thing last week

I posted last week about the visit that with these high level visits they always go with people who will look favorably with the media.  Obama needs it and if the military were to boo him or make him look bad the military would get a backlash it wouldn't need either.

just me?

Well, I thought all along that the thing was staged; it looked staged.  My thought was that they picked only those soldiers who were openly partisan to the symbolic president.  I didn't see any of the 1000 yard stare types, nor did I see any of the burly-looking tough guys.  The crowd was predominately black, of course.  I thought everyone was taking it for granted that the whole thing was stilted; i didn't know there was any doubt about it.   

Be careful here:

I am slightly skeptical.  I have completed three recent combat tours and have several experiences with these “celebrity” visits.  Here are some thoughts for our “un-named Sergeant” who was there:

 

Rarely is anyone required to attend these.  The word is put out and interested Soldiers show up.  The Armed Forces are very diverse and there are many who voted for the current President.

 

Of those that did show up, what “official” moved the Obama supporters forward?  The NCO that was in charge of gathering, or an Obama administration official?  It makes a big differance.

 

As for the camera, we all shop at the same store: the Post Exchange or “PX”.  There is a limited selection and things sell out very quickly, that is why we all have the same portable DVD player, camera, and flashlights.

rg... I will take your

rg...

I will take your points into great consideration and wait for others who have also served to reply.

Thank you for your service for us...our gratitude is forever in this home..to you and all...past and present.

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rgold-

Active military members are all well aware of the perverbial "Dog and Pony Show." It is likely that all of these "volunteers" did so in the same way I did o so many times in my Marine Corps career. They went, smiled, took pictures, and showed some measure of enthusiasm because thats what they were volunteered to do. There certainly were supporters of Obama, but I would argue that those present were likely not combat veterans. And more importantly, anyone without enough military bearing to respectfully address the CIC is wholly un-military, and could even have been a civilian.

BK-

we are in agreement!  I wish I could see the unit patches, reserve or national guard forces would not surprise me.  Even they would agree that military bearing and courtesy are more "relaxed" in those units.  As for the combat troops...we sometimes jokingly refer to some as "Fobbits".  Those who never leave the walls of the Forward Operating Base.  Some go the whole deployment without leaving the walls of the FOB.  Many do leave daily, some don't return.

As for the camera, we all

As for the camera, we all shop at the same store: the Post Exchange or
“PX”.  There is a limited selection and things sell out very quickly,
that is why we all have the same portable DVD player, camera, and
flashlights.

My brother recently completed his third tour in Afghanistan and he took his own stuff.  I dont go for your assertion.  I guess you never bring your stuff from home?  The PX at home has a better selection.  He did like the stuff we sent from home, the stuff they cant get.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Wow, Dan, great minds think

Wow, Dan, great minds think alike, and at the same time. :)

Yes

Dan, ckc.  I'm not sure what you are implying.  I'm not lying to you, I was simply offering some alternate ideas as to why I was skeptical.  Like your brother, I did bring stuff from home, and when it broke, got lost, stolen, or got blown up, I bought my stuff at the PX or ordered it online.  I suppose it is possible someone did pass out cameras...it would just really surprise me if they did.  I never said I was certain, just offering caution.  I hated BDS and want to be careful I don't fall into ODS! 

When someone refers to

When someone refers to themselves in the third person and says something like this "Ryan was twice voted Time magazine “Person of the Year” (2003, 2006)" I tend to wonder.  It took me back a bit.  I just take the letter from the sargent and his assertion.  In short I dont trust Obama, especially when he says I and other on this site are potential terrorists. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

okay

Dan, okay, I guess I'll fall for the old diversion and personal attack tricks.  My bio was written in the third person like many people on this site and others.  The Person of the year is a joke: (the "American Soldier" and "you").  I believe many on this site would normally treat any unidentified source with skeptisism, even a sergeant.  Unfortunately, anyone can go to snopes and see how many stories ,very similar to this, turn out to be completley false.   

Hey rgold... Now wait a

Hey rgold...

Now wait a minute...you can go to Snopes and see how many of their so-called sources are pure left wing hacks.

I know...I've been through this with some on the left in my own family who use Snopes as a defense...and I could go further into Snopes etc but not in the mood tonight.

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As for the camera, we all

As for the camera, we all shop at the same store: the Post Exchange or
“PX”.  There is a limited selection and things sell out very quickly,
that is why we all have the same portable DVD player, camera, and
flashlights.

So, none of you ever buy things on the internet, or get Christmas presents, or birthday presents? None of you thought to bring along a digital camera that you already owned? Sorry, but it makes zero sense that every camera is the same.

"Celebrity"? Really.

Celebrity?  Hey we are not talking about the Dixi Chicks.  We are talking about the President of the United States of America.  He is not a celebrity.  He thinks he is, as do others, to include you it seems. So this is not your typical hey folks the Prez is going to be here, come if you want.  Silly.

Not quite.

I am about as far right as they come.  The celebrity comment was about as respectful a jab as I could come up with.  I was just sharing my real life personal experiences, feel free to share yours. 

Times sure have changed!

"Rarely is anyone required to attend these."

Times sure have changed! Back when I served in the 80's, whenever a high ranking commanding officer, especially one of the rank of Brigadier General or above, was visiting a base, ALL base personnel were required to attend, in uniform and usually in Parade formations. I would hazard a guess that this would also be true of the President. But, it has been twenty years and I guess the military requirements have changed somewhat.

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everything about the Hocus

everything about the Hocus Pocus TOTUS who Broke Us is staged. Why would anyone think otherwise.

 

Just because these 'unbiased' and 'watchdog' reporters stood there and watched this culling take place and then report something totally untrue should be a reminder of who they really are.

 

They are the Obama State Media not Mainstream Media. They are not even lapdogs but humplegs

who paid

who paid for the cameras?  It is also well known to anyone who has evr served this great nation that even if they wanted to boo the guy, they would not be allowed to.  They were told to cheer.  They were told to cheer for Bush and they were told to cheer for Clinton and so on.  It is a game.

Now take a look at this

Now take a look at this photo of Bush with the troops, and we see black cameras, silver cameras, big lenses, small lenses....

Edit:

Here's another. At least 4 cameras in this shot.....all of them different.

 

Thanks for the photo...seems

Thanks for the photos...seems like sooo long ago. 

Interesting

One thing for sure though, there are a lot of cameras in the photo with Bush, so the next question for me is why cameras? They are obviosly not in shortage. Also, I even noticed in the Obama photos, I saw a few people with 2 cameras, including the photo above.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

How come they got cameras?

Man, the military has changed a lot since the 80's When I was serving, most bases didn't allow the use of cameras, for security reasons of course. Now the troops are allowed cameras IN A SUPPOSED COMBAT ZONE! I guess Iraq is safe after all, despite the whining by the liberals for that last several years.

As for supporting the President, that's what the troops are SUPPOSED to do. Anyone who disrespected the President would find themselves facing an Article 15 at best, and a General Courts Martial at worst. So, the sight of troops photographing the President doesn't surprise me at all. It IS an historic moment when ANY President visits the troops.

As for the troops dissing a Senator like Kerry, well, it's just a Senator so what's the big deal? A Senator has no authority over the Military, the President does.

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Dog and POTUS show

Don't know about Iraq, but a Guardsman I know says they were forbidden to take cameras with them to Afghanistan, and it could have been a unit rule...

Unless one is out and about, I don't see what the hell there'd be to take pictures of anyway...not exactly a tour package of the historic sites of Mesopotamia and Babylon.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Of course these things are

Of course these things are staged. Remember Bush's "impromptu" Q&A?

Wanted: Dead or Alive

boa....

Friggin' A....

Of course we do...he was just so phony...the military didn't really revere him and he them... 

Do you ever quit with your constant contrary BS?

Ever?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

BT, if Bal ever did

he wouldn't be ODD anymore

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Oh I'm sorry. Were you

Oh I'm sorry. Were you looking to just spout things in a vacuum?

You want to jump all over this, without taking into account, you know, reality. 

boa... Too bad you never

boa...

Too bad you never looked up the solution that would remove that super-glue remover that you used when putting on those rose-colored glasses that have been attached to your face since you have been here little brother.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Lol...that's a long way to

Lol...that's a long way to go for a putdown.

boa... No it

boa...

No it wasn't...

I am in between numerous things here at home.

Just once in a blue moon give it rest...especially the obvious....

Come on...you know I love you...but BS today isn't going to go far with me.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Remember Condi?

Remember Condi and the troops? I do! I did notice that not a single trooper was holding a camera in that shot.

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yes, virginia, they do photo ops.

the difference is :

a) the way its portrayed by the media and b) the opinion held by the men who are serving.  The first is painfully obvious and I can offer a first hand account to the latter.

Is this what you mean?

Is This what you mean, Bal? Or. maybe it's This one? Or even this one? I like the last one the best! Notice any cameras in that one? Nether do !. I do see cameras in this one. So , we'll give Obama his victory here, ok?

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Uh.. I hate to state the obvious...

...but that pic shows Obama "Cheered wildly by US troops". Dosen't matter if they voted for him or not. (or if they got free cameras for that matter). They are US troops, no? 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Yes, thay are.

Yes, they are, and, as a vet, I could tell you that I, too, would have warmly greeted the Commander in Chief. I wouldn't have care who that CinC was, I'd still be appreciative of the visit and I would have done anything to be there.

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IMHO

this post puts down the troops that do love the "commander and chief". Who cares if it is 100 or 1000? It is NOT stagged, as say the adulation of a dictator like Saddam (ouch Hussein?) :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

How does it put down the troops?

How does it put down the troops? Do you really think the troops don't know it was staged? That, IMO, is belittling the intelligence of our troops.

You have to understand that the troops know that ALL Presidential visits are staged, there ARE no exceptions. The President doesn't tour the military without someone being aware of it. That just doesn't happen. This is because the Commander in Chief isn't a combat unit (troop) and, as a matter of fact, the military makes sure that the CinC NEVER faces actual combat as we can't afford to lose our CinC. He or she are far to difficult to replace, unlike lower ranking personnel.

So why would he visit the troops in a combat area like Iraq, unless it's staged? If the troops understand this, and they do, how can pointing that out be considered disrespectful?

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MM, notice the freshly pressed, clean Uniforms?

MM, did you notice that all of the troops pictured are wearing clean, pressed uniforms? This is because the photo op was STAGED!

You have to remember that Iraq is mostly a desert. The only way those uniforms can look as clean and fresh as they do is if the troops put them on shortly before the CinC arrived. Desert environments do not contribute to freshness, they contribute to sweating, dust, and unkempt looking uniforms.

I mean, really, use your own eyes and tell me again if the entire situation was staged or not.

On Edit: You should also note that all the troops have clean hands, clean fingernails, clean hair (which most looks freshly trimmed), and clean faces. It's obvious to THIS vet that those troops all had a shower, a trim, and an inspection BEFORE they were allowed to meet the President. That's just more evidence that this event was staged.

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OK I give CobraMan!

It was stagged... but where they ordered to be there? Some other posters have suggested this was a soldier choice. If so, this pic is valid and just so much Obama propaganda (notice no one pissed on his shoes). 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Where they ordered to attend? Probably not.

I doubt that they were ordered to be there (altho as a Vet I can't rule out that some were "volunteered" to be there, if only for gaurd duty) . I'm sure that volunteers were requested and MOST of the troops volunteered. I mean, really, who wouldn't.? First of all, you're excused from normal from duty for the duration (and that duty can be VERY boring), and that alone will get most troops to volunteer. Plus, like I said before, most troops would LOVE to meet the CinC. This is because the US Military understands that the President IS the highest authority in the Military. But to claim that it wasn't stages is, to be honest, foolish.

I have no doubt that Obama's supporters were picked out to stand in the front row. That would only make sense. You don't put someone who doesn't like the President in a position to do something that would make a fool of the entire Military by tht person inadvertently (or purposely) showing disrespect to the CinC in front of the press.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing ether the President OR the troops. I'm glad he's meeting them, just as he should. I'm just chuckling at the MSM who described the situation as a "surprise" when the only ones who were surprised was the MSM itself. The troops there knew he was coming at least 24 hours before he arrived. The MSM didn't know, so it's portrayed as a "surprise" visit.

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I must add

I must add that all base personnel were most likely ordered to remain on base, and on alert, for 24 hours before the President arrived and to remain on alert until after the President left. That would be a prudent security measure.

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So, MM

who are you quoting?  And if it was the TOTUS being "wildly cheered" by the troops, where are the pics from the balcony up above, showing the 1000's of troops doing the wild cheering?  Oh, that's right, it was 100's not 1000's.  And I watched the video, it wasn't wild cheering by any means. 

Hey Obama went to Iraq, good for him.  Still doesn't make up for his dissing the troops since he got to the Senate, or trying to cut their funding, or floating the idea of them paying, or their insurance paying, for their combat injuries.  

Like I said...

that pic and the caption shows "wildly cheered". Forget about the balcony shots showing the actual uh..cheering.. don't get me wrong, If I would have been there, would probably pissed on his shoes.. but the MSM wins this one...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Huh?

...just so i understand this...the troops (who really disagree w/obama) after being given free cameras (from obama) then procede to take pictures of obama... (becuz they hate him).

...im sorry but thats nuts....have a happy tea bag day just the same...

 

todd333, "...just so i

todd333,

"...just so i understand this..."

Yea... you didn't.

Read the original post again, genius.

"...im sorry but thats

"...im sorry but thats nuts....have a happy tea bag day just the same..."

Hmm, nuts and teabag in the same post. You sure seem fixated on this. You must have been the recipient of many a teabag, huh? 

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Staging...just another game

This wouldn't be the first time someone staged an op with an unpopular politician:  http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/crossed.asp

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Clearly you don't

Clearly you don't understand -- but it is soooo complicated so let me explain.

The troops (they're the ones in the camo) were "pre-screened" (that means an Obamabot spoke to them)...

And those who voted for Obama (that would be the winner of last Presidential election where citizens select a candidate they like as defined by something callled the US constitution and Congressional Act)...

Were ordereed to go over the top (sent to the front)...

And they were all armed with identical digital cameras (a device for capturing images and souls, some claim) ...

Hope you get it now. But I'm not confident based on your previous lack of comprehesion.

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You are missing the point.

  It is the portrayal of the visit by the MSM. President Bush's portrayal was negative. President Obama's positive.

  And the Obama team played up the visit with free cameras. So as to appear Pres. O was even more loved by a photo wanting crush of people.

  BTW. Exactly how many turds are there. 333 seems like an awful lot to be floating around in the same bowl. 

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

an Eternal Champion after many exhausting trials and tribulations in the endless war between Law and Chaos 

Utterly Bizarre

Each succeeding day with this bunch is more surreal.

"Nothing about Obama is real"

RD how right you are.

He is a frontman, a wind up doll, a reader of whatever is on the TOTUS, who's where he is because the real president, could never have run for President.

He is, by all accounts a dunce. NO background, no roots?? No living relatives who are AMERICAN citizens?

Who is he? Who is behind the curtain?

Even the new under secretary of Defense was a lawyer for George Soros? How are these people getting security clearences?

NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA IS REAL !

GOD save us all!

 

Watching him 'speak' at this most recent gathering

was a JOKE!  He didn't have his teleprompters so it was - look down at notes - speak two words - look down at the notes - speak three words - look down at the notes - then he divides a sentence in two because he couldn't remember 5 words to say in a row!!!  This 'great orator' has proven to be anything BUT!!!

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Most of the Marines I know

never see real food unless they are taking a vehicle to be repaired and it is the only time they get a real shower or get relaxed sleep.

Most of the Marines I know are sleeping on the desert floor without tents and sharing their space with sand creatures. 

They are NOT in a safe area meeting with Presidents!

Clean uniforms? Are you kidding me?

SOBama is a show, a fake, and a terrible mistake for America.

 

Fake Visit To Troops In Iraq

I found this story to be unusual considering troops also have no proof of oblahblah's eligibility. People talk and I'm certain this question is on the minds of every service member. Hard to believe not a single troop asked him about his birth certificate! This story had to be contrived/staged to put oblahblah in a position of supposedly supporting our military, which he doesn't...proof in numerous videotaped speeches.  What happened to his "promise" of being out of Iraq by 3/31/09??? The man is incapable of telling a truth....I think if he did, his head would explode. When are WE THE PEOPLE going to remove this imposter from our White House???!!!

The Old Porkchop In The Pocket Trick

I gotta wonder if Obammy doesn't have a soup bone in his pocket to get that dog to play with him too...

Did They Get To Keep The Cameras?

The article only says cameras were handed out. It doesn't say they got to keep them. It would be just like a liberal to give and then take back.

And where's the teleprompter?

 

nothing these guys do is the

truth-bend- shape and distort should be the motto of the Democrats.

Change, how is it  Going so far?

the next few years will be a wealth of reasons not to support Democrats.

proud to be a  Christian right wing extremist!

 

 

 

staged obama visit to Iraq

Is anything about this administration real?  I think the whole thing is a put on, no where near what it seems.  It's pathetic when every visit has to be staged.  I'm sure when he was campaigning, those big crowds were bribed into being there.  It's like watching a bad movie.

staged obama visit to Iraq

Is anything about this administration real?  I think the whole thing is a put on, no where near what it seems.  It's pathetic when every visit has to be staged.  I'm sure when he was campaigning, those big crowds were bribed into being there.  It's like watching a bad movie.

Cynical manipulation of our troops

I hope this gets more play.  That it was staged is one thing, that troops were involved is quite another.  Accding to sources I've corresponded with, the Obama team actually asked the troops "Who voted for Obama" and then handed out the cameras to the raised hands and moved them to the front for the media.  An individual in the military should never be asked about his politics in this public way.