That Joe Biden and the truth have been distant acquaintances from time to time was recently seen in March (at NewsBusters; at BizzyBlog) when the Vice President claimed that Louisiana was losing 400 jobs a day. Louisiana at the time was actually gaining jobs.
The math-challenged Biden, who infamously said during the presidential campaign that the word “jobs” has three letters, is now making claims that he had face-to-face meetings with President Bush which aides and others don't recall or have a record of. Not surprisingly, Biden's narrative concerning these alleged meetings is meant to demonstrate what an influential truth-to-power guy he is.
Gag me.
Bill Sammon of Fox News has the story, which is a virtual lock not to make it into the established alphabet TV networks or into what's left of the establishment's newspapers:
Bush Aides Challenge Biden's Boasts of Oval Office Slapdowns
Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush.Aides to former President George W. Bush are challenging the veracity of Vice President Joe Biden's claim this week of having privately castigated Bush, who does not remember the incident or an earlier episode in which Biden claims to have similarly rebuked Bush.
Biden spokesman Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.
"The vice president stands by his remarks," Carney told FOX News without elaboration.
Those remarks include a shot that Biden took at Bush on Tuesday.
"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden told CNN, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"
That exchange never took place, according to numerous Bush aides who also dispute a similar assertion by Biden in 2004, when the former senator from Delaware told scores of Democratic colleagues that he had challenged Bush's moral certitude about the Iraq war during a private meeting in the Oval Office. Two years later, Biden repeated his story about dressing down the president.
"When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April 2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"
Bush aides now dispute the veracity of both assertions by Biden.
"I never recall Biden saying any of that," former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said after reviewing detailed notes of Bush's White House meetings with Biden, which include numerous direct quotes from Biden. "I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don't think that's true."
I think the giveaway that Biden is making it up is the claim that he met with Bush alone "all the time."
If these or other Bush-Biden meetings occurred, the press seems to never have noticed. If these or other Bush-Biden meetings occurred, the press seems to never have noticed. The following isn't conclusive, but it surely doesn't help Biden. Google News Archive all-dates searches (all in quotes) on "Biden meets with Bush," "Biden met with Bush," "Biden speaks with Bush," "Biden spoke with Bush" and "Biden addresses Bush" all come up empty. Similarly, nothing comes back for "Bush meets with Biden," "Bush met with Biden," "Bush spoke with Biden," "Bush speaks with Biden," "Bush addresses Biden," "Bush and Biden met," or "Biden and Bush met."
By contrast, I was able to find one hit each for "Kennedy and Bush met" and "Bush and Kennedy met."
I for one won't be surprised if I someday find Biden's picture next to the description of this term.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters




















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I tried googling "biden not
April 9, 2009 - 14:03 ET by SickofLibsI tried googling "biden not getting any bush" and got 1,945 hits.
Go figure.
Obama is a known liar.
April 9, 2009 - 21:18 ET by TailgunnerJoe Biden is a known liar.
Hillary Clinton is a known liar.
Nancy Pelosi is a known liar.
Harry Reid is a known liar.
Chris Dodd is a known liar.
Barney Frank is a known liar.
Jack Murtha is a known liar.
Anyone I missed?
Oh yeah. Roland Burris is a known liar.
Name that party.
NOLI PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
I used to meet with Bush
April 9, 2009 - 14:03 ET by SpaceManSpiffI used to meet with Bush all the time. I'd be like "Dude, why don't you just tell people like it is?", and he'd say, "I think the people understand the sitch-u-ation", and I'd be like, "No way Man, they're morons. They're listining to the Libs because they're doin' more talkin' than you!", and he'd be like, "Nah!".
Yep, I'm a liar, and so is Joe.
Did Orwell predict the future? Or are the enemies of freedom following Orwell's example?
These lies only make Biden
April 9, 2009 - 14:07 ET by FreakyBoyThese lies only make Biden look like a wimp and a fool, unlike his most shameless lie - one that a grieving and remorseful man had to live down until he died:
http://www.americant...
This is why no conservative
April 9, 2009 - 14:35 ET by dscottThis is why no conservative wants to see Obama assassinated, this big mouth bozo would become President. And if per chance the world would get so lucky as both of them kick the bucket at the same time, we would still be stuck with Loony Nancy. There's really no upside here AT ALL.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Joe Biden and the truth...
April 9, 2009 - 14:44 ET by PrairieSkyJoe Biden is a narcissist...He has a long history of saying things that are intended to make himself seem more than he is. This ties in perfectly with his extreme trouble with the truth. Narcissists are often compulsive liars, and this fits Biden to a "T." He says so many things that are part-truths, half-truths and flat out lies, that he loses track of which lie he told when, and he's not smart enough to keep track of what lie he said and to whom, which is why he is always getting caught in his lies. The fact that this man is VP, and could potentially end up as president, is just a horrifying thought.
I can't imagine two more completely inappropriate people to be president and vice-president than Obama and Biden. I thought Clinton (also a world-class narcissist) was pretty much the epitome of the wrong kind of person to be prez, but as bad as Clinton was, Obama and Biden are worse.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
Biden is from Wonderland
April 9, 2009 - 15:05 ET by MidAmericaAlice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
MidAmerica, I have been
April 9, 2009 - 16:00 ET by msh1973MidAmerica,
I have been wondering how to explain how I feel about the state of things here in America....Alice said it for me. Thanks. :-)
We are very close to
April 9, 2009 - 16:24 ET by MidAmericaWe are very close to losing our representative government. As in Europe there will be a ruling class and then all the rest of us. Voting won't make much difference because no matter who you vote for it always comes out the same. The will of the people will be a forgotten principle. To those in government the 'people' are merely pieces on a chess board they can move around as they please. All you have to do is look at the cities where the entrenched corrupt democrat machines operate and you'll see where obama is trying to get us too. Obama is not a patriot who is trying to live up to the honor of being president. He is a Chicago style political hack trying to reverse the idea of a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people". In his world the government is all knowing and most importantly .. all powerful. There is no area of your life that he won't regulate if he feels a need. The constitution was set up to limit government. Obama and the democrats want to end that once and for all.
We're there
April 9, 2009 - 19:21 ET by GalvanicI'd say we're already at that point, MidAmerica. The politicians respond to the wills of their Big Contributors while ignoring the public. Oh, they'll roll out the usual rhetoric about empowering the average American, but they fear an empowered and enlightened public. Just look at the misdirection games the Dems are playing during the financial crisis; they can't even tell us where much of the money has gone, and they certainly take no responsibility for losing it.
Instead, they play a numbers game of "Us vs. Them." That's why Obama wants to 'open a discussion' on "Immigration Reform" next month. They refuse to enforce the existing laws, so they'll declare failure and loosen the rules further. If they can get amnesty and fast-track citizenship for 12 million illegals -- 12 million grateful future voters -- they can hold onto power. They're totally disregarding polls which indicate the vast majority of American's want secure borders enforced.
Come on...
April 9, 2009 - 15:16 ET by mizflame98Say it with me, "Oh, that's just Joe."
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Disagreement
April 9, 2009 - 15:24 ET by JDWHow many of these aides are on that Spain's Judge's list?
JDW
DAILY WAVE
The government works for me, not the other way around
Maybe Bush's aides would
April 9, 2009 - 15:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberMaybe Bush's aides would lead Biden into a room with a Bush double, kinda like from the movie Dave.
I wonder if the Bush doppleganger could be told from the real Bush by the trademark "Evil Spock" goutee?
Joe Biden is truly mad, he
April 9, 2009 - 15:54 ET by msh1973Joe Biden is truly mad, he doesn't know fact from fiction. Perhaps in his own mind he had this conversation with Pres. Bush. One heart beat away from being POTUS....God help us!
If Biden keeps up his
April 9, 2009 - 16:01 ET by celatorIf Biden keeps up his record of lies, distortions, half truths, fairy tale observations and whoppers, he's got himself a job as a "journalist" at the Los Angeles Times or the NYT.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Hey Joe.... Doubling down
April 9, 2009 - 16:46 ET by bigtimerHey Joe....
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The only things I can
April 9, 2009 - 17:02 ET by Chris NormanThe only things I can figure is:
A - Biden knows no one from the MSM will ever bother checking his wild claims or if they did, won't contradict him.
B - He is a pathological liar and doesn't care.
C - Most likely - both
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Flypaper
April 9, 2009 - 17:16 ET by slickwillie2001I've realized lately why Biden was chosen as the Bamster's running mate, -the same reason that Gibbs was chosen to be WHPS. The narcissist Obammy cannot tolerate the possibility that someone might share the limelight with him. That's also why he is so hesistant to have shared press conferences with foreign leaders. No matter how many mistakes the Bamster makes, how many goofy things he says, or displays of his ignorance he stumbles into, Biden and Gibbs will always be worse. They are like his handy flypaper of ridicule. The late night comics won't touch Obammy as long as there are jokes about Gibbs and Biden that write themselves. They make the Bamster look good.
Brain damage?
April 9, 2009 - 17:47 ET by Kat Outta the BagThey obviously went too deep with the hair plugs and pierced his brain.
Could be. :) Or some of
April 9, 2009 - 18:32 ET by Chris NormanCould be. :)
Or some of the plugs became in grown...
Whatever, he tells whoppers with impunity.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Yep...he's a
April 9, 2009 - 18:34 ET by bigtimerYep...he's a natural.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt,I truly believe, from
April 9, 2009 - 19:12 ET by Chris Normanbt,
I truly believe, from all the evidence, that Biden is somewhat mentally ill. I don't think I can come up with another political figure who has lied so consistently, so boldly, and so recklessly - just to build himself up. Forget the fact the obliging media will cover for him - he's scary reckless. He makes Jon Lovitz's SNL character, Tommy Flanagan (the Pathological Liar), look like George Washington.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Chris Norman...Actually, you're close...
April 9, 2009 - 22:35 ET by PrairieSkyBiden exhibits many traits of narcissism and while narcissism is not considered a true mental illness, it is a recognized form of personality disorder (Narcissistic Personality Disorder), and is listed and described in the DSM-IV (the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition...This is bascially the bible of psychiatric and psychological disorders). Ol' Joe sure seems to meet the criteria, too.
Boy, Obama can sure pick 'em, huh?
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
PS, I agree, but I still
April 10, 2009 - 12:48 ET by Chris NormanPS,
I agree, but I still think Biden has passed the personality disorder stage and is headed into mental illness territory. His lies have become so reckless that there's something deeper going on.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I think it's a
April 9, 2009 - 20:12 ET by jondelwichepost-stroke dementia syndrome.
Let's hope Obama stays healthy......
Joe, Joe, Joe
April 9, 2009 - 20:25 ET by Joe CamelStay out of the President's and the Big M's nose candy dude..We need at least one person to run the country, and he is not doing very well...unless the teleprompter tells him what to say..crackheads unite I guess.
Biden's a bore and a
April 9, 2009 - 20:25 ET by RR GOPBiden's a bore and a jackass.
I just want to be able to say that publicly while I still can.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Biden lied,
April 9, 2009 - 21:26 ET by Jack Hermanremaining speck of credibility died.
Right you are JH... Rove
April 9, 2009 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerRight you are JH...
Rove just tore Biden a new a$$ on Fox about this...he was talking to Meghan Kelly who is subbing for Greta.
It was great.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
VP LIAR
April 9, 2009 - 21:28 ET by TN MomVP Biden is truth-challenged. He lied about his college grades. Plagiarized. Lied about his hometown restaurant/business closing, when it had closed 10 years earlier. Lied (last week) about Pikeville SC fire station receiving stimulus money, when the money came from Pres. Bush...
Once a liar, always a liar!
→Rove Calls Biden Out!!!
April 9, 2009 - 21:52 ET by Cool ArrowDrudge links to this column featuring Rove saying, "I
hate to say this, but he's a serial exaggerator," Rove told FOX News. "If I was being unkind I would say liar. But it is a
habit he ought to drop."
The whole column really is a hoot, complete with Joe Biden fighting the Taliban with snowballs.
Keep it up, Karl. Barry's pet buffoon is starting to stink.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Can anyone
April 9, 2009 - 21:53 ET by Tom PaineCan anyone explain to me again why Sarah Palin was such a "Dangerous" choice for Vice President?
all true, but
April 9, 2009 - 21:52 ET by i was just thinking...libs and Obamaniacs won't care. Because there is not documented proof to the contrary, they'll lap up whatever Plugs tells them. In their minds, Bush and Rove will always be the liars. You can just hear them... "alright, Joe! Way to go!"
This man wouldn't recognize the truth if it came in a large box marked "Fragile: Truth enclosed", with a return address label from "Truth, Inc.".
The Obama strategy.
April 9, 2009 - 21:57 ET by pbthinkerApparently, the Obama administration seems to believe that bashing Bush is good policy. I guess, since you really don't have any good ideas, it's worth your while to just attack the previous administration.
Democrats are such a hateful bunch. They really should take Biden aside and pull him off this detail. He's really not good at it and tends to embellish things too much. The only one who would be worse is Hillary.
Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.
I wonder if he stopped by
April 9, 2009 - 23:27 ET by Carl KolchakI wonder if he stopped by 7-11 and picked up some Slurpees for the one on one meetings he had with President Bush.
BEING JOE BIDEN
April 10, 2009 - 05:56 ET by jacktherippermust be horrible, he really is demented having conversations in his head and thinking they're real, defaming a man for (and using his dead wife and child) for political gain....it goes on and on .the man will stoop to new lows every time he opens his mouth!
" The Future Is X Rated"
I've asked before...
April 10, 2009 - 10:21 ET by misterbee241I've asked around before, is Biden really as stupid and dull witted as he appears, or is it just an act to fool the opposition? If he is that stupid, what does that say about the people of Delaware who keep sending him back to the senate for 30 years? What does that say for Delaware politics? Anybody know?
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941
Everybody knows lefties can
April 10, 2009 - 10:26 ET by misterbee241Everybody knows lefties can say and do anything and will never be held accountable - and they know it too. So Slow-Joe can say anything he wants with no fear of the consequences, of which there will be none.
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941