NYT Inadvertently Confirms IBD’s Logic in Denouncing Obama’s Embryonic Stem Cell Decision

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Embryos0309In a scathing editorial Monday, the folks at IBDeditorials.com ripped President Barack Obama's misguided, life-destroying, science-denying Executive Order that allows federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research (ESCR).

Later, Nicholas Wade at the New York Times, in two paragraphs of his March 10 report ("Rethink Stem Cells? Science Already Has"), in essence confirmed the validity of IBD's claim about ESCR's relative uselessness in treating diseases and other human maladies -- something adult stem cells, a blanket term describing any stem cells obtained from other human sources without destroying human life, are already doing.

IBD's editorial shows that one doesn't even have to be religious to recognize the fundamental disregard for science and ethics in Obama's EO (bolds are mine):

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Bailing Out Bad Science

..... With Obama lifting the restrictions on Monday, we will now be federally funding research that has yet to produce a single therapy or a single treatment of an actual human being, at least one that works. It has generated a lot of hope but very little change. It is he who is putting ideology over science.

What has handcuffed our scientists is the difficulty of controlling embryonic stem cells and what they develop into. They're called pluripotent because they can develop into any type of human tissue, sometimes all at once.

Embryonic stem cells have a tendency to develop into one of the most primitive and terrifying forms of cancer, a tumor called a teratoma. Adult stem cells don't have that problem.

..... It's in the area of adult stem cell research that new discoveries are being made every day. Fact is, there are now hundreds of conditions and diseases actually being treated using adult stem cells drawn from umbilical cord blood and other nonembryonic sources.

..... Bush's executive order banned federal funding only of new stem cell lines. Neither federal funding of existing lines nor private funding was banned. In fact, Bush was the first president to spend any money on ESCR at all. Clinton spent zero.

The (Los Angeles) Times notes, as we have, that in 2006 researchers led by Dr. Shinya Yamanaka of Japan's Kyoto University were first able to "reprogram" human skin cells to behave like embryonic stem cells. But it claims the potential of these induced pluripotent stem cells (IPS) "is still unclear."

No, it's not. They can do everything stem cells from destroyed embryos can do, except without the moral baggage or the destroyed embryos.

I would replace "can do" in the last sentence with "someday dream of doing," but that's a relative quibble.

Wade's report at the New York Times buttressed IBD's claims, especially in these two paragraphs:

Members of Congress and advocates for fighting diseases have long spoken of human embryonic stem cell research as if it were a sure avenue to quick cures for intractable afflictions. Scientists have not publicly objected to such high-flown hopes, which have helped fuel new sources of grant money like the $3 billion initiative in California for stem cell research.

In private, however, many researchers have projected much more modest goals for embryonic stem cells. Their chief interest is to derive embryonic stem cell lines from patients with specific diseases, and by tracking the cells in the test tube to develop basic knowledge about how the disease develops.

Two points:

  • The second excerpted paragraph says nothing about using the results of ESCR for actual treatments or cures. This means, unlike with adult stem cells, that treatments or cures with ESCR aren't even on the realistic scientific "chief interest" radar. Thus, Wade confirms that IBD is asserting the unvarnished truth.
  • Apparently "many researchers," as noted in the first excerpted paragraph, are speaking "in private" because of fear of intimidation and retribution by ESCR supporters if they speak in public. It appears that we are seeing a situation analogous to how those who don't buy into the Armageddon-like assertions of the global warming/climate change crowd are afraid of speaking out.

A further point from another source -- an Ohio Right to Life e-mail reproduced at this Topix forum notes that the final paragraph of Obama's Executive Order (specifically saying that "Executive Order 13435 of June 20, 2007, which supplements the August 9, 2001, statement on human embryonic stem cell research, is revoked") removes the Bush-driven EO mandate that the Secretary of Health and Human Services pursue funding for adult stem cell research (ASCR).

Thus, not only has Obama dictated that ESCR be funded, he has removed any corresponding mandate for ASCR. He did not have to do this to satisfy ESCR supporters. This is of a piece with Obama's radically anti-life legislative history, where as an Illinois Senator would not support a Born Alive Infant Protection Act because he feared it might open the tiniest door to recognition that an unborn child is deserving of the same protections as humans living outside the womb.

Even beyond the life-destruction issues, Obama's EO not only opens the federal funding door wide open to what hasn't worked, it takes away any incentive to assist what has. This is as profoundly an anti-real science decision as I believe I has ever seen out of any White House.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters


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"He's been a whirling dervish of activity ever since...."

der⋅vish  

a
member of any of various Muslim ascetic orders, as the Sufis, some of
which carry on ecstatic observances, such as energetic dancing and
whirling or vociferous chanting or shouting.

Origin:
1575–85; < Turk < Pers darvīsh poor man, beggar

Back in the Carter days I saw a bumper sticker that read

"Politicans love unarmed peasants". I laughed then. I cry now for my kids.

Mr. Blumer, oh so proper use & please spread the word. 

It is NEVER WHAT HE SAYS

With our Dear Leader Obama it is Never What He Says. You always have to look at the fine print. Then when the fine print is read even if you show his rabid followers they deny, deny, deny. It is a serious case of the Cult of Personality that I have not seen since the days of Jim Jones when he REALLY got his followers to DRINK THE KOOLAID and commit mass suicide. I remember thinking at the time, as we were pulling into San Diego from a two week training excercise while I was in the Navy, how could people do this? The Navy had kept the news from us until we pulled into port because it was impossible to tell how such news would affect the crew while we were at sea.

The very thought of all those Men, Woemen and Children commiting suicide because someone told them to still haunts me. Now I see the same fanatical devotion to a mere Politician. All the stupid Hollywood types making personal pledges of loyalty not to the U.S. or to the Office of the Presidency but to the man who should only be a temporary occupant. This is real scary stuff.

Now we have him saying to remove politics from science while it is a total political calulation, and as stated in the article above the proof is evident for anyone to see, that is if they want to see. That Ladies and Gentlemen is the problem is that too many people do not want to see, they are still too enamored with the "One".

 

Kool-Aid then, Kool-Aid now

As I am sure some of you recall, Jim Jones was a prominent leftist activist as well.  He had strong poltical ties and support all the way up to and including Mistah Jimmah Cahdah.

"Kool-Aid" is the order of the day.

When I hear Obama speak, it is like the portrayal of Xerxes in the recent film "300".

He is doing this to our country, "...for he is kind."

All hail the God-King Obama!

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

"I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!" - me

Don't miss the meaning of this:

"Their chief interest is to derive embryonic stem cell lines from
patients with specific diseases, and by tracking the cells in the test
tube to develop basic knowledge about how the disease develops
."

If Wade's sources are correct, the idea is to clone people who have certain
diseases, then kill those clones at various stages of growth to
see when and where abnormalities arise.  That is
going to be undeniably important science, but ethically it's not so much different from the German experiments with hypothermia during WWII. 

And it's not at all what proponents have claimed they'll be doing. 

The real reason cloning is needed

The real reason cloning is needed is to create a line of Embrionic Stem Cells identical to the patient being treated. Besides other problems outlined in the article above one of the real reasons for success in adult stem cells is that these very stem cells can be created from tissues harvested from the patient in most cases. There is still a problem with rejection in all stem cell thearapies not using the same genetic material.

The biggest lie in Obama's

The biggest lie in Obama's announcement was that  ESCR was "promising."

The "promise" is only in the "magical thinking" of its proponents.

It has shown no promise at all, while adult stem cells have shown success in several areas.

Which causes one to wonder why proponents insist on pushing this agenda while ignoring the successes of adult stem cells.   It's kind of like saying, well, yeah, we know it works that way, but we want to do it THIS way!!

I don't get it....

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Remember Lawrence v. Texas

I think it's worse than you think, dervish. 

The Supreme Court, in the case Lawrence v. Texas, overturned the sodomy laws. One of the defenses of the opinion (I believe by Sandra Day O'Connor) was that this was a limited decision, and had no impact on other issues like gay marriage. Within six months, it was used as a precedent when Massachusetts legalized gay marriage. Legal reasoning is like water; it will find a crack, no matter how small, and will erode the walls until everything gives way.

Obama claims that this cannot lead to cloning, but the policy depends on the idea that embryos have no rights. That's crucial. In the pro-life moral theory, the only qualities you need to be considered a person (and therefore worthy of civil rights) are that you're human, and you're a distinct living being. Embryos are human and distinctly alive. Clones will be human (which is why they're useful to study) and will be distinctly alive (again, which makes them useful to study). But if you can claim that embryos aren't persons and aren't worthy of civil rights, the same applies to clones.

Morally, once you refuse to grant embryos civil rights, you have no argument to treat clones any differently. And without that crucial premise that these are distinctly alive human beings, there is nothing in the law to prevent anything.

once you refuse to grant

once you refuse to grant embryos civil rights, you have no argument to treat clones any differently.

I heartily agree!  I said similar in regard to gay "marriage."  It's not a "slippery slope," it's all of a piece.  Once you say a man can marry another  man, there is no basis for denying the right to marry more than one man, or one's sister, or one's daughter, for that matter.

Ditto embryos. Once they become a "commodity" there is no reason not to treat them as such; buying and selling, for instance.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

Exactly right. But if

Exactly right.

But if you can claim that embryos aren't persons and aren't worthy of civil rights, the same applies to clones.

Why stop with embryos and clones?  We're headed for a China-esque nation where criminals and other "undesirables" will be stripped of civil rights for the "greater medical good" of others.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

You always catch the good stuff

The most revealing action is that Obama has expressed opposition to the most effective research, and that which does not involve killing, by rescinding Bush's order to encourage the alternatives to embryonic stem cell research.

I blogged on this too, and submitted to other media because this important characteristic of Obama,  (his disregard for human life and health) will not be highlighted  in the mainstream news.

Thanks for your vigilance, Tom Blumer!

 

 

Thanks very much ....

.... for the kind words.

It's long been shown that

It's long been shown that Obama's actions all are made with the intent of supporting his agenda.  None of it is made in the best interest of anyone but himself.  It's political pandering to the far left and any moderates should fear what we are now stuck with.  Bipartisan my foot, he has not done anything in a bipartisan way so far, even when compromises could be made that more or less satisfy both sides.

And So

And so the search for the "eternal fountain of youth" marches happily onward with millions of your deficit taxpayer dollars in hand. You caint let a mere disposable human life stand in the way of "that" now can ya.

   kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

Science?

We don't need no stinkin' science! Regardless that its been proved that embroynic stem cells tend to create tumors in patients rather than desired cures, it makes us FEEL good that we're doing something! Why, Michael J. Fox went without medicine for a week so he could get your sympathy in pushing this phoney-baloney science. But it made us FEEL sad so it must be the right thing to do. We libs FEEL we need to do something, whether it works or not. Just look at who we elected!

Liberals -- funding and encouraging the elimination of inner city babies since 1973

About abortion

This is about abortion. With a twisted logic that I can't understand, the abortionists don't want embryonic stem cell "research" stopped, because they are afraid that any limitations will lead to restrictions on their beloved abortion.

Or is it that they just LOVE destroying little developing humans and hate human life?

 

 

it's about abortion and

it's about abortion and money - specifically taxpayer money...

a new way

Logic for abortion? Here's what I see is their logic. 75 years ago, they wore white robes and killed adults for being a different color. That because politically unpopular when it was decided that those of different color could vote. So, the dems put away their white robes and looked for another way. If you can't kill 'em when they're adults, set up clinics in inner cities and have the government pay for killing their own children. Its FREE! Now its all above-board. Throw in a token percent of other colors, but their objective is the same. Elimination of the African race from our society. How clever they are. They put away their robes and even got one they're trying to eliminate lead the charge for them. They've got him believing its ok to kill them inside, on the way out and after they're on the table.

What's next???

Doctor Directed Suicide? Because old, terminally ill patients aren't as valuable to society as young terminally ill patients?

"I'm sorry but we're going to have to make you commit suicide because we need your organs to help younger people. We could treat you, but it's been decided that your not worth it."

What about paid abortions? We need to get more embrionic stem cells, lets pay girls to have abortions so we can use the cells.

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

The NAZIs were the first

To realize that it was easy to fool the ignorant masses by falsely claiming that, the science this ..., science that ..., the science is settled. Leading the ignorants around by their noses with false pseudo-science has worked for a long time. Makes them ignorants feel important.

Obama is just the latest practitioner of that propaganda art, the ACTING president.

Works great with the ignorants and global warming. I wonder why no one asks, why does paying taxes lower the sea levels and drop the CO2 in the atmpsphere. Because the science says it will.

Sounds to me like ...

Sounds to me like "the one" is out to genetically engineer and control the growth of the population in this country. That's why he wants socialized health care, abortion that destroys unwanted lives, and this embryonic stem-cell research.

Everything Obama does, is about control of the masses. God help us all.  

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

 

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Liberals love human life

Obviously because they want useless individuals to recieve welfare and benefits as a reward for constant breeding and murderous and rapists to be rehabilitated rather than KCl'd.  Of course if these people were rubbed/or Darwined out, they'd be short of voters (probably even in Obama-defined voting regions).