The Associated Press's Jennifer Loven is now the President of the White House Correspondents Association (picture at right is from the WHCA web site).
Loven was the first person on President Obama's preselected list of those permitted to ask a question at his February prime-time press briefing. Whether she received this top placement because of her office, or because of her years of George Bush-bashing bias -- so strong and obvious that Powerline was moved to dub her a "Democratic Operative" back in 2004 -- is an open question.
Loven queried the president as follows:
Earlier today in Indiana you said something striking. You said that this nation could end up in a crisis, without action, that we would be unable to reverse. Can you talk about what you know or what you’re hearing that would lead you to say that our recession might be permanent when others in our history have not? And do you think that you risk losing some credibility or even talking down the economy by using dire language like that?
(Obama actually said "may be unable to reverse," not "would be." But I digress.)
Obama's rambling answer, and the rest of the briefing, should have reminded Loven of what she surely considered a withering critique of Bush three years ago (HT to an e-mailer; bolds are mine). After all, she wrote it:
The President And The Straw Man
(Jennifer Loven, AP)
WASHINGTON, March 18, 2006..... When the president starts a sentence with "some say" or offers up what "some in Washington" believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.
The device usually is code for Democrats or other White House opponents. In describing what they advocate, Mr. Bush often omits an important nuance or substitutes an extreme stance that bears little resemblance to their actual position.
He typically then says he "strongly disagrees," conveniently knocking down a straw man of his own making.
Mr. Bush routinely is criticized for dressing up events with a too-rosy glow. But experts in political speech say the straw man device, in which the president makes himself appear entirely reasonable by contrast to supposed "critics," is just as problematic.
Because the "some" often go unnamed, Mr. Bush can argue that his statements are true in an era of blogs and talk radio. Even so, "'some' suggests a number much larger than is actually out there," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.
A specialist in presidential rhetoric, Wayne Fields of Washington University in St. Louis, views it as "a bizarre kind of double talk" that abuses the rules of legitimate discussion.
..... "It's such a phenomenal hole in the national debate that you can have arguments with nonexistent people," Fields said. "All politicians try to get away with this to a certain extent. What's striking here is how much this administration rests on a foundation of this kind of stuff."
Among Bush's supposed "straw man" statements Loven cited -- statements which Loven claimed that "bears little resemblance to (opponents') actual position(s)" -- were these:
- "There are some really decent people who believe that the federal government ought to be the decider of health care ... for all people."
- "My opponent and others believe this (War on Terrorism) matter is a matter of intelligence and law enforcement."
- "Some say perhaps we ought to just pull out of Iraq. That is foolhardy policy."
- "There's some in America who say, 'Well, this can't be true there are still people willing to attack."'
Of course, there really were prominent politicians making these statements, as critiques at Powerline, the American Federalist Journal, and the Bookworm Room, among many others (HT Columbia Journalism Review), pointed out at the time. So Bush's arguments weren't being directed at people made of straw; they correctly characterized the beliefs of his opponents. As such, they had the distinct advantage of being true.
Barack Obama used the Loven-derided"straw man" rhetorical device quite a few times at the press briefing. Here are a few examples:
- "And there have been others on the Republican side or the conservative side who said, no matter how much money you spend, nothing makes a difference, so let's just blow up the public school systems." (Nice touch with the violent rhetoric. Real classy, Barack -- Ed.)
- ".... although there are some politicians who are arguing that we don't need a stimulus, there are very few economists who are making that argument."
- "Some of the criticisms really are with the basic idea that government should intervene at all in this moment of crisis. You have some people, very sincere, who philosophically just think the government has no business interfering in the marketplace."
As to the last item, there are indeed "some" economists who have said they prefer doing nothing over passing the stimulus bill, but that's because of the harm they believe the legislation will cause. It doesn't mean that they don't have policy prescriptions involving different forms of "doing something."
But in a few cases, Obama took his straw men a step further than the Bush examples Loven cited. Using absolutist terms, the President frequently -- and unlike Bush, incorrectly -- claimed that the arguments of those who disagree with him broached no exceptions. Examples (bolds are mine):
- "But as we've learned very clearly and conclusively over the last eight years, tax cuts alone can't solve all of our economic problems -- especially tax cuts that are targeted to the wealthiest few Americans. We have tried that strategy, time and time again. And it's only helped lead us to the crisis we face right now."
- "Now, maybe philosophically you just don't think that the federal government should be involved in energy policy. I happen to disagree with that."
- "As I said, the one concern I've got on the stimulus package, in terms of the debate and listening to some of what's been said in Congress is that there seems to be a set of folks who -- I don't doubt their sincerity -- who just believe that we should do nothing."
The Washington Post's Howard Kurtz couldn't handle Obama's rhetorical excess, and called it out by name on the last item I just cited:
Worst of all, Obama engaged in one of the most frustrating rhetorical techniques: The straw-man argument. It wasn't fair for Obama to repeatedly suggest that the core opposition to his stimulus plan comes from people "who just believe that we should do nothing." The basic Republican position is considerably more nuanced than that, favoring tax cuts and opposing big-government spending.
Yet we've heard not a word from Jennifer Loven about how Obama has (unlike Bush) actually put forth what her go-to "expert" Mr. Fields described as "arguments with nonexistent people," and how his rhetoric has much more seriously "abuse(d) the rules of legitimate discussion." I also haven't seen or heard anything from those who lionized Loven's "journalism" three years ago. Some examples are cited here at the Columbia Journalism Review; one fan called Loven's work "a rare but penetrating piece of news analysis."
Well, why not?
Perhaps Jennifer Loven is worried that husband Roger Ballantine, who “just so happens” to be a former Clinton administration environmental official, a “senior adviser on energy and the environment” for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry in 2004, and a leading light (if that’s possible) in the areas of alternative energy and climate change, might have his career or business efforts hampered if she leveled similar criticisms.
Say it ain't so, Jen.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters




















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Nirvana or Fool's Paradise?
February 21, 2009 - 09:04 ET by allanfEither the press has reached a penultimate point of power, or the press is in a fool's paradise. People may actually be upset when they learn the wool was pulled over their eyes with legerdemain.
The dirge "It's Bush's Fault" won't cut it pretty soon.
Exactly
February 21, 2009 - 12:30 ET by Miket53Miket53 http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/
The press is in a fool's paradise. They are biased to Obama and also believe in his policies. As these policies fail, and most Americans revolt over supporting those who over extended themselves what will they do? For a period they will report in shock why people don't like Obama. Then they will start to realize they have to get back to balanced reporting or lose an audience. I agree that the "blame Bush" stuf will end once Obama's plans fall flat.
allanf .. indeed
February 21, 2009 - 13:12 ET by Gary Hallvery well put -- the first part. On the second issue you mentioned - well, we could only hope for as much -- but don't forget, in the MSM's eyes, it's still Reagan who caused the HIV/Aids crisis!
Also on this incredible post from Tom (cheers) - I remember this from a year or two ago (will have to go look for it), but:
In the midst of the Wilson/Plame/Libby shrill by the MSM, MSNBC shrill reporter David Shuster alleged, in an attack on Bob Novak, that "many people" don't believe Robert Novak has "any credibility as a journalist."
Now, what was the basis for Shuster's attack on Novak's credibility? Well, he named unnamed sources - or as specifically according to Shuster, their were “many people” who had offered to him that Novak was not credible -- them there "straw men" Shuster - is the mainstay of the MSM.
LOL - Gary
If you freind asked you to
February 21, 2009 - 09:08 ET by general companyjump off a cliff, would you do it?
Jennifer: Well it depends on witch friend asked me. : [
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The real hypocrisy is that
February 21, 2009 - 09:35 ET by motherbeltThe real hypocrisy is that Loven is actually setting up the straw man argument for the President:
Can you talk about what you know or what you’re hearing that would lead
you to say that our recession might be permanent when others in our
history have not? (emphasis added)
and giving it the aura of "inside information" from reliable sources.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Yes ....
February 21, 2009 - 09:44 ET by Tom Blumer.... indeed.
Come on Tom....
February 21, 2009 - 09:55 ET by superconwhy rhetorical questions you already know the answer to...?
She knows when Obama is blowing smoke up our skirt but she doesn't care.She is a loyal Democrat and if they have have one collective characteristic about them it is loyalty to the party first and foremost.She will never EVER lay the same type of scrutiny that she reserves for the Republicans that she despises so much at the feet of her beloved party.It will never happen.
I think that when leftie journalists and the politicians that they run with get together they must all high five each other and laugh at what suckers and chumps the Republicans can be as they are always bringing a knife to a gunfight. They have their fingers on the scale and they know it.That's how the game is played.
If the Republican party does not learn the rules of how this game is played then they will always be destined to lose.John McCain said "I would rather lose a campaign than lose a war" and Barack Obama said "Good luck with that John."
The Republicans are always trying to be martyrs by playing by some sort of unstated rules and ethics while the Democrats are mowing down anyone who gets in their way.
Who is now in the White House and controls both Houses...?
If the Republicans can't learn to control their media then will be on the outside forever.There is no prize for second best.This is just like being in a jury trial.It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong if your lawyer sucks.
Winning is all that matters.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
why rhetorical questions you already know the answer to...?
February 21, 2009 - 11:01 ET by Tom BlumerBecause commenters like you answer them so well, and with a variety I can't duplicate. :-->
And I did come up with one (conflict of interest).
Sorry...
February 21, 2009 - 11:03 ET by superconI didn't mean to be rude.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
I didn't take it that way ....
February 21, 2009 - 11:09 ET by Tom Blumer.... But appreciate the consideration anyhow.
Your points about how the GOP too often plays the game are dead-on.
Well thank you.
February 21, 2009 - 11:43 ET by superconYou mentioned a conflict of interest.To me or to most people on this site that is obvious.The conflict being that as a journalist her "interest" is supposed to be as an unbiased referee in her reporting.I am aware that I am stating the obvious but to her that is not her interest.
She is a party loyalist who happens to be in the news business.What better way to further the goals of her party?We have our truths and she has hers.Good luck to he who brings them to the public the best. To her being a political reporter is like being a drug dealer with a badge.Why would you arrest yourself?
Republicans would do well to learn the lessons that they have been taught last November. They have to stop letting the opposition define them and need to stop cowering when they are criticized.They need to stand up to their critics and put them on the defensive.Dirty tricks should be anticipated and responded to.
A good example would be the way that Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson ambushed Sarah Palin in their interviews.Of course it was very unfair and they would never do that to Obama but she should have known that was coming. I knew what the tone was going to be before I even saw the interviews.Palin got boxed in by her own sense of fairness and politeness when she should have pushed it back to them and called them out on their bias.Nice guys finish last in politics.
They need to learn how to snap these reporters back in their place.There is no law that says you have to just sit there and let them run the show. A good example would be how Bill Clinton got in the face of Chris Wallace during an interview and starting tapping on his knee.He treated Wallace as a hostile entity and it worked for him.
It was media mangement 101.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
Huh?
February 21, 2009 - 11:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo, what you're saying is that Republicans need to be scumbags like democRATS? Because 'winning' is all that matters. So, what then would you stand for?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Sgt Rock
February 21, 2009 - 11:55 ET by botgyou don't have to be a scumbag to be assertive, just stand for open honest dialogue
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
That doesn't seem to be the implication.
February 21, 2009 - 12:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKNo problem with being assertive. But to say that 'winning' is all that matters is quite another thing. Especially, if the implication is to mimic exactly what the opposition is engaged in.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Sarge
February 21, 2009 - 12:17 ET by botgi get your point
it depends on what you're 'winning'
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Not at all Sarge.
February 21, 2009 - 12:14 ET by superconMy point is that Republicans need to be more confrontational with the hostile media and not worry about being criticized by people who will critcize them no matter what.
If I was advising John McCain I would have made sure that he pounded Barack Obama into the ground over Tony Rezko,Grove Parc Plaza,Bill Ayers,Jeremiah Wright,how he bought his mansion,Michelle's $300,000 a year job at the Uof C,his voting record and etc etc etc.What would have been scummy about that...?It was all true.I would have demanded he show his real birth certificate during a live debate in front of the nation and I would have ridiculed the softball questions coming from Bob Scheiffer or Gwen Ifill.How can John McCain possibly justify agreeing to a debate where the moderator has written a book about "The age of Obama"...?He was a chump,plain and simple.Barack gave him so much to work with and yet he never layed a glove on him.
I never would have let the Democrats get away with blaming the sub-prime meltdown on Republicans.He could have used that issue like a sledge hammer.
Dodd,Frank,Obama,Raines,Maxine Waters were all so culpable and yet they were the ones pointing fingers and not McCain.He could have buried them with that.But no.He wanted to be Mr. Reach across the aisle now didn't he...?
John McCain was Barack Obama's greatest defender and not his worst critic. Slash and burn works.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
→ Milquetoast McCain
February 21, 2009 - 12:20 ET by Cool ArrowGot that right. Recent Picture
Any impartial observer would have to tell you it looked like McCain maybe couldn't raise his hands over his head, but he was certainly adept at handcuffing them behind himself.
Then he'd stand in front of Obama with a wide stance saying "Hit me if you see an opening"
McCain was, and is, pathetic.
Milquetoast McCain
February 21, 2009 - 12:44 ET by superconDon't get me wrong.I like the guy.McCain's a good man but he didn't want to drop the hammer on Barack because he fell into the media trap of looking mean or racist.Charges of racism are like throwing water on the Wicked Witch to a Republican. Nothing makes them run away or apologize faster and Democrats know it.
McCain let the press define him because he wanted their respect.He fell for their trap.They are media experts who know how to take someone down. Also McCain never reached out to his own base.He was ashamed of them.He distanced himself from us hillbilly rednecks and religious kooks.(sarcasm)
Did he ever reach out to his allies in the media?
Did he ever turn to Rush Limbaugh,Michelle Malkin,NewsBusters,Redstate,Laura Ingraham,Michael Savage,Sean Hannity and their MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of listeners...?The answer is a big fat no. He ran from conservatives.
You never saw Barack criticizing anybody from his side of the aisle.He embraced the bloggers and the pundits and they were glad to help. He knew who his allies were and brought them on board.
McCain's media allies were screaming at the top of their lungs for him to please listen to us and Ol' Johnny boy wouldn't listen.His mistake.
It all comes down to media management.You have to be able to identify your resources and use them effectively.McCain didn't and Obama did.Obama got tens of millions of dollars in free positive media and McCain turned his back on it.
Believe it or not Republicans have a wealth of media at their disposal it they would only harness it.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
→ The old saying
February 21, 2009 - 12:49 ET by Cool Arrow"Faint heart never won fair maiden"
McCain thought being a wallflower would wow the voters.
He ain't no maverick, he's a getalong guy.
Exactly, Arrow
February 21, 2009 - 12:54 ET by Sergeant ROCKMcCain was adored by the MSM as their favorite Republican - until he ran against Obama. Now, he has yielded that adoration to the 'Three Blind Mice' - Snow, Collins and Spectre.
Don't be surprised when the MSM starts promoting the idea that in order for the Republicans to re-gain the Whitehouse, they'll have to run one of these three as their nominee.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
→ Arlen Sphincter
February 21, 2009 - 13:00 ET by Cool ArrowThe three blind mice make John McCain look like John Wayne.
This is one time I hope history repeats itself.
Following One more foolish than Carter, perhaps one as American as Reagan will emerge.
Cool Arrow
February 22, 2009 - 02:20 ET by DoktorFranken"Following One more foolish than Carter, perhaps one as American as Reagan will emerge."
She will.
On that then, I can agree
February 21, 2009 - 12:23 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhat's needed is to gut the GOP of the McCainiacs whose leadership led to this last humiliation. Had it not been for the primary schenanigans engaged in by McCain and Huckabee, we may have had Romney instead. At least in that scenario, we wouldn't have had the 'I'd rather lose gracefully, than win bitterly' mentality of the McCain campaign.
We need to be rid of RINOs once and for all.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
→ But Rock?
February 21, 2009 - 12:34 ET by Cool ArrowAren't McCain, Huckabee, and Romney all RINOS?
I think that was the problem. There weren't any Nationally esteemed Conservatives available. It was so bad we threw our hopes on Fred Thompson, whose performance was far less than stellar.
Eh.. Possibly..
February 21, 2009 - 12:40 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. at least with Romney he wasn't a Senator. In my opinion, this last election was the worst case scenario - a choice between two Senators. Nevermind the fact that Romney actually had experience outside of government. Alas, Romney was the lesser of several 'evils'. And that will always be the case until there is a coup in the GOP.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
Great comments Supercon…
February 22, 2009 - 12:23 ET by JPR1…you should have been advising McCain; the question is would he have listened. Be nice to know, sooner rather than later, if there were advisers in his camp pressing for such a tactic. Keep them in the loop going forward.
I will quibble a bit with the Clinton/Wallace incident being a “good” example. The idea of a sharp, direct challenge is essential, but Clinton used a boorish, unwarranted kick to the groin. We need guys/gals who can skillfully and honestly deliver a stinging jab or right upper-cut; without feeling bad about it. Follow-up with the kick if it gets ugly.
No apologies for doing battle, because it is a battle.
Tom
February 21, 2009 - 19:03 ET by Logic over emotionVery nice piece. Thanks
When you lie down with dogs...
February 22, 2009 - 00:07 ET by Tom1969caI guess if you hang around enough with "that guy who lives in [Obama's] neighborhood", the imagery of blowing up public buildings will inevitably creep into your lexicon...
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Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin does not have any unrepentant terrorists living in her neighborhood.
Tom
February 22, 2009 - 02:22 ET by DoktorFrankenThanks for that "Daily Sarah Palin Fact". It will counteract the daily articles blasting her. Great idea.
No Love For Loven
February 22, 2009 - 07:43 ET by GeneralAlHow do you spell hypocrisy? LIBERAL! I'm dreaming about the day when America gets relief from the constipation brought on by so called journalist like MISS NO LOVE LOVEN. I hope the bowel movemant we experience fills the editorial rooms of every liberal media establishment in America and they suffocate in their own excrement!