See Jan. 9 Follow-up -- "CNN Doubles Down: Reposts Withdrawn Video of Apparently Faked CPR Attempt on 'Dead' Palestinian Child"
Not that it ever really went away, but fake news is back in Gaza, and the worldwide media is being played.
Many readers will likely detect the fakery in the linked video pictured on the right on their own (HTs to Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs [LGF] and Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee via Instapundit).
The video purports to show the death and hasty burial of a cameraman's 12 year-old younger brother, one of two children allegedly killed on the roof of their home in rocket fire from an Israeli drone.
A seemingly pretty knowledgeable LGF commenter spotted what many inexpert readers who see the video will also catch (bolds are mine):
I’m no military expert, but I am a doctor, and this video is bullsh-t. The chest compressions that were being performed at the beginning of this video were absolutely, positively fake. The large man in the white coat was NOT performing CPR on that child. He was just sort of tapping on the child’s sternum a little bit with his fingers. You can’t make blood flow like that. Furthermore, there’s no point in doing chest compressions if you’re not also ventilating the patient somehow.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓(no paragraph break in original) .... In a hospital, during a code on a ventilated patient, somebody would probably be bagging the patient during the chest compressions. And they also would have moved the bed away from the wall, so that somebody could get back there to intubate the patient and/or bag him. In short, the “resuscitation scene” at the beginning is fake, and it’s a pretty lame fake at that.
So the question is, were they re-enacting the resuscitation scene by repeating their actions on a corpse, because the child had died earlier? It’s likely that the answer is no, that child is still alive, and is just an actor pretending to be a child who was killed. Why do I say that? Because the big guy in the white coat, if he’s really a doctor, nurse, nurse’s aid, EMT, or any sort of health care provider at all would be entirely aware that tickling the boy’s sternum doesn’t really look like actual chest compressions. If the boy was dead, the man would have done a more convincing job in compressing the chest. The taps on the chest that he’s doing are the sort of thing you see in bad TV dramas .....
Here's what the video link at CNN looks like now (except that the orange box is mine). Note that the false narrative at the top right still remains:
CNN should have known better. The doctor involved in the scene, Mads Gilbert, as described with copious links by the Committe for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), is a Marxist radical with a long-standing hatred of Israel and the United States (some of the links to a Norwegian language site may not be suitable for children's viewing):
Gilbert is a radical Marxist and a member of the political Red (Rodt) party, a revolutionary socialist party in Norway. He has been a pro-Palestinian activist since the 1970's and travelled to Lebanon in support of the Palestinians during the first Lebanon war in 1982. He has long been a vocal opponent of Israel and the U.S. Gilbert has acknowledged that he cannot separate politics from medicine, stating, "there is little in medicine that is not politics." He even criticizes the group Doctors Without Borders for providing medical assistance to both sides in a conflict instead of taking a strong stance and supporting only one party. In a 2006 article in Nordlys, journalist Ivan Kristoffersen lamented the fact that Gilbert allows his humanitarian efforts to be politicized by his radical agenda.
The extent of Gilbert's political agenda and animus toward Israel and the U.S. is best evidenced by his radical support for the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the U.S.In an interview with the Norwegian daily, Dagbladet, shortly after the attacks, Gilbert stated: "The attack on New York was not surprising, after the policy that has led the West in recent decades. I am upset over the terrorist attack, but am equally upset over the suffering which the United States has created. It is in this context that the 5000 dead people must be seen." ..... When asked by Dagbladet if he supported the terrorist attack on the U.S., he replied: "Terror is a bad weapon, but the answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned."
A Jerusalem Post editorial that appeared on January 6, the day before CNN's coverage, should have alerted the network to be skeptical towards Gilbert:
A WORD about Dr. Mads Gilbert: It turns out he's no neutral medical man, but active in "solidarity work with Palestinians" for 30 years. Responding to 9/11, Gilbert didn't rush to New York's Bellevue Hospital to offer his services. Instead, he defended the moral right of the "oppressed" to have launched that attack.
Maybe CNN, instead of having on-air news readers like Kyra Phillips taking strong umbrage at the idea of Joe the Plumber reporting from the Middle East, should put the blue-collar guy on their payroll to get more credible journalistic results.
This is just one example of Mr. Gilbert fooling the media by posing as an impartial humanitarian doctor. Gilbert also was quoted this week without question by the BBC, Canada's Globe and Mail, and ABC Online in Australia. He also speaks on camera at about the 1:00 mark in this CBS Evening news video available at YouTube.
This is just another in a long line of examples proving that when it comes to news out of the Middle East, absolutely everything coming out of Palestinian- or terrorist-controlled areas must be treated with very heavy skepticism.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters
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There just isn't any
January 8, 2009 - 22:20 ET by 10ksnookerOther way to put it. Stupid hoaxes for stupid viewers.
Stupid hoaxes for stupid
January 8, 2009 - 22:41 ET by ChadStupid hoaxes for stupid reporters!
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Cincinnati, OH
It's not News
January 9, 2009 - 05:45 ET by DragonsbreathIt's CNN...
Clinton News Network
Communist News Network
Crappy News Network
and so on and on..
“We Americans were d@mn tired of being thought of as dumb, by the rest of the world. So we went to
the polls in November and removed all doubt.”
Great Line
January 9, 2009 - 07:51 ET by jdlybrandnewsisblues
That last line is a gem! Sums up my feelings in a nutshell.
When will CNN learn?
January 8, 2009 - 22:25 ET by GalvanicKeep an eye open for our friend "Green Helmet," who managed to star in so many of the faked casualty scenes in south Lebanon.
Evenin' Galv... You beat
January 8, 2009 - 22:29 ET by bigtimerEvenin' Galv...
You beat me to it...exactly what I was thinking...so right you are.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
?
January 8, 2009 - 22:35 ET by owlpelletsAnd they question Joe The Plumber's reporting acumen....
Don't blame me....I voted for Palin...
When propaganda is your
January 8, 2009 - 23:22 ET by d1carterWhen propaganda is your business, it all looks like news...
dlc... Boy, did you ever
January 8, 2009 - 23:39 ET by bigtimerdlc...
Boy, did you ever say it all here.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I saw the video earlier at
January 8, 2009 - 23:52 ET by thebutlerdiditI saw the video earlier at LGF, and it was sooo bad. I have no experience with medical stuff like this, and I was thinking it was fake from the get-go. When they take "the body" to bury, his head doesn't loll around, but appears to be well supported by neck muscles, or rigor, but the rest of him isn't stiff looking. The clip show where a missle supposedly hit the house, but there's no singeing or rubble looking damage. The dead give away, to me, was the plastic chair that's still on the roof. Yeah, the kid was "playing" on the roof. More likely he was a look-out. Someone in the comments at LGF noted that there were women at the burial site, and that this is not allowed, I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. CNN keeps looking dumber by the day.
Faking this stuff isn't new
January 9, 2009 - 00:08 ET by doug1950Years ago the Palestenians were having a funeral procession going along while they were being filmed by one of the many left leaning networks. There was screaming and yelling, weeping and yes even some curses being hurled about. A couple of minutes into the funeral all hell breaks loose and the mourners scattered like a busted covey of quail dropping the coffin. The "dead" man suddenly leaps up and hauls azz for cover along with his buds.I bet he never volunteered to be the dearly departed again.
It is on this video sir.
January 9, 2009 - 00:36 ET by JWFPallywood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
More "Fake but Accurate"
January 9, 2009 - 00:13 ET by Miss CheviousThis is about as real as the Baywatch scene where Hasselhoff dives off his Rescue boat and swims down 40 feet, rescues the "drowned" scuba diver, hauls him back up into the boat, stretches him out on the deck, cuts his wetsuit open, and with 4 inches of water sloshing around his feet grabs the de-fib paddles and yells .. CLEARRRRRR
I wonder if any of the
January 9, 2009 - 00:17 ET by RMRI wonder if any of the "journalist" at CNN are "classically trained" ? Because stuff like this only happens to "lowly" bloggers and "journalist" who forego their training in the "classics". Right Brian Williams? Ha! Ha!
Hey, I know, why not get
January 9, 2009 - 00:20 ET by thebutlerdiditHey, I know, why not get Sanjay Gupta to come on CNN and explain the medical procedures? Oh, that's right, he's packing.
Missles leave big holes.
January 9, 2009 - 00:42 ET by JWFThese ain't yer Pally rockets that barely make it across the border. Israel fires munitions meant to do some serious business. They leave big holes and lots of rubble.
Also we have yet another pally death with NO BLOOD. Pally hospital janitors have the best job in the world!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF
January 9, 2009 - 01:05 ET by thebutlerdiditYeah, there's that, too. no blood on the attendants, none on their gloves, and the roof has a little rubble. The chair on the roof is what gets me the most, though. I know that if another country told me that they would be bombing my town, I'd be sure to send my kids up on the roof to "play."
Tom - right on on the CPR
January 9, 2009 - 02:37 ET by Gary HallMy wife is a RN. 30 years or so in neo-natal intensive care. Teaches CPR on infants - premies. I asked her to watch the video - without a clue as to what was up, other than to pay attention to the CPR (well the chest compessions). She instantly said - what are they doing?
gary
Gary.... Your wife said
January 9, 2009 - 02:43 ET by bigtimerGary....
Your wife said it all.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt
January 9, 2009 - 02:54 ET by Gary HallThanks. You know - if shows like CBS's "60 Minutes," were actual investigative news shows with an interest in actual news - they would do segments on how the MSM has no ethical standards.
(;~/ gary
Many of us are still
January 9, 2009 - 07:28 ET by RR GOPMany of us are still clinging to the notion that journalists actually report the news and know what they're talking about because that is the way it's supposed to be.
On the surface we realize that they are nothing more than Leftists instilling propaganda and ignoring anything that goes against their ideology.
Also, if you listen to them carefully (yes, even the ones on Fox News) these are about the most unknowledgeable people I have ever seen. They do not recall obvious connected events and people from the past in current discussions. It's as if any previous knowledge evaporates with every new item that comes up-it's all disjointed.
For example, Foley's (R) name came up on H&C last night but not, uh what's his name ( Tim Mahoney (D)) who was caught in an almost identical scandal.
They seem to have few life experiences, little knowledge of geography, classic literature, science, economics (except their own of course) etc. Few have been in the military so they will routinely call any tracked vehicles (like APCs and self-propelled howitzers) 'tanks' but yet the average American sits there and assumes that they are knowledgeable on all things.
Actually, they have a lot in common with politicians come to think of it! ;-)
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Actually, what you're describing is a chronic lack of ....
January 9, 2009 - 08:50 ET by Tom Blumer.... cultural literacy. E.D. Hirsch wrote a book or two on the problem about 20 years ago that compiled a list of facts, figure, events, and words a truly literate American should know, as well as (IIRC) a list of books a truly literate person needs to have read. He was of course mostly ignored except for being ridiculed for advocating the learning of "useless trivia."
I remember reading through his first list shortly after it came out and thinking that while I knew a pretty good percentage of items there, my parents probably knew more, and kids going to school currently were learning very little.
Your comment and observations support that belief.
Gee CNN always leaving salt
January 9, 2009 - 09:13 ET by eaglewingz08Gee CNN always leaving salt on the wound, especially when the victims are Israel and USA (especially Republican Administrations).
This is an unballanced war or asymetrical war...
January 9, 2009 - 09:22 ET by c5thenThe Israelis are fighting with weapons and troops while the "palestinians"/Islamists are fighting using PR and misinformation. The Islamists know that they cannot beat Israel in a 'real war' using troops and bullets and rockets, etc. This was conclusively proven twice before (those of you who know history know what I am talking about). Therefore, the islamists are using propagande to try and trick the rest of the world into doing what they can not. Every action by Hamas is aimed at getting Israel to do something that they can use in their propaganda. The rocket firing campaign was not meant to injur Israelis (although if that happened they concidered it a plus). It was meant to piss off Israel and make them do exactly what they are doing now, knowing that civilian casualties would be inevitable. In fact, the ammo storage locations and the launch locations are chosen to maximize the possibility of civilian casualties.
Islam doesn't care about free choice, it only cares about the result that it can use in furtherence of the lies. If some children have to be sacrificed and called martyrs (against their will) then Islam is perfectly OK with that, as is evidenced by the current events. If the 'journalists' have to fake footage to get the propaganda out, then they will do that. If they have to photoshop some images, that's easy to do. Remember that an Islamist is an Islamist first and foremost. Their vocation is simply a means to the end.
You would have assumed that CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gutpa would have alerted them to the hoax, but I guess he is too busy signing autographs and getting a publisher for his future book all lined up.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
Excellent points,
January 9, 2009 - 09:51 ET by motherbeltExcellent points, c5!
This is typical of Hamas tactics to garner international sympathy.
And it IS deliberate. They don't even care if their own children get killed, if it supports their propaganda efforts.
You know, I WOULD say to Dr
January 9, 2009 - 23:37 ET by BDYou know, I WOULD say to Dr Mads Gilbert "Show me the body", but he might pump two rounds in the boys chest to keep his credibility.
After all, he is supporting a terrorist organization....
Excellent Post
January 9, 2009 - 11:07 ET by ArelIsn't it amazing how the MSM runs with stories like this without hesitation? It makes you wonder why so many people still watch, and for the most part belive, CNN.
Man, that Dr. Mads Gilbert
January 9, 2009 - 10:20 ET by KarinMan, that Dr. Mads Gilbert sounds like a real piece of work.
Yet another MSM EPIC
January 9, 2009 - 11:35 ET by wiwfYet another MSM EPIC FAIL
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
It's a
January 9, 2009 - 11:47 ET by Tom BlumerMads Mads world.
Why didn't the just get Dr.
January 9, 2009 - 13:21 ET by fitzfongWhy didn't the just get Dr. Sanjay Gupta to debunk this video? Oh, right. Never mind.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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cnn does it again
January 9, 2009 - 14:29 ET by east tennessee johnCNN,(certainly not news), proves their value as a "news" organization once again. Whether it's sucking up to Saddam, showing tapes of "freedom fighters" in Iraq sniping at our troops, you can count on CNN,the most played name in news to deliver. In this leftist world they, along with MSDNC piss and whine how COMBINED they can't outdraw FOX. Here's another example of why.
Fitz
January 10, 2009 - 01:14 ET by thebutlerdiditSee up post, I mentioned the same thing! GMTA? I would love to hear Sanjay explain how this is the correct way to do CPR, and all the medical professionals/nurses/EMTS, etc in tv land thinking, "WTH?" Just like Tom's wife, walking by and just glancing at ot and knowing it was wrong. Like I said, I have no real experience, but so much of that looked wrong to me. I still want to know if what I read about women not being allowed at the burial site is true or not, anybody know anything about this stuff? And I don't know if it was already mentioned, but shouldn't they be bagging him? I thought you did both.
Worst. Fake. Yet.
January 9, 2009 - 19:33 ET by KimberlyNo, seriously, this has to be the worst fake vid yet. I'm trained in CPR and emergency first aid and I immediately spotted the "tickle me Hamas" chest compressions and no intubation. Even your beginner CPR knows that chest compressions without oxygenation is wrong. Then the teeny tiny blood spot on the bed was the capper. Truly, I saw better acting in a '70s Emergency! episode.
Kimberly
January 10, 2009 - 01:17 ET by thebutlerdiditI missed your post, you answered one of my questions, about bagging him. I think you had the best line of the day though, "Tickle Me Hamas??" LOL
I saw an episode of "Doctor
January 11, 2009 - 09:39 ET by GrannyGrump42I saw an episode of "Doctor Who" (actually, I think it was the "Doctor Who" movie) with a more convincing attempt at resuscitation. And THAT had me shouting at the screen how cheap it would have been to run the script past a paramedic or EMT before shooting something that dumb.
lol
January 14, 2009 - 15:30 ET by daver1Lets see, where to wade through all this muck.
1. Cnn withdraws video
False.
The video is still at CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/gaza.video.accusations/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
CNN) — There’s no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer’s brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team’s employer.
In the video, camerman Ashraf Mashharawi is seen holding his brother.
“It’s absolute nonsense,” Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.
All you newsbusters just got Busted on that one.
2. Bloggers Utd, well-known international medical experts, think a doctor can't even fake a medical procedure? Why, I guess that would imply that he's not...not even...a real doctor? Because a real doctor would know what the procedure looks like...Honestly, don't you agree? Its funny, because he's got some pretty advanced medical credentials:
"He is a specialist in anesthesiology and a leader of the Emergency medicine department of University Hospital of North Norway, and has been a professor of Emergency medicine at the University of Tromsø since 1995.
Gilbert has broad range international experiences, in particular from locations that merge medical and political issues. Actively involved with solidarity work concerning Palestinians since the 1970s, he has served as a doctor during numerous periods in Palestine and Lebanon. His efforts have been central to the efforts that have lead the city of Tromsø, since 2001 a twin town of Gaza, to claim to be the city that has sent more health workers to Palestine than any other the world.[2]
[edit] Medical record
Following an accident in January 2000 a woman was trapped for more than an hour in icy waters, head under water, and was pronounced clinically dead, but survived after the efforts of Gilbert and his team.[3] This represented the lowest survived body temperature recorded.
Wiki."
I bet he knows how to both carry out and fake the procedure much better than anyone on this forum (except for Kimberly of course, who once had a ½ hour CPR course or whatever she had). Don't you?
Probably the truth is this guy actually had his brother killed, only to be scorned as lying about the death by bloggers. In the hospital the doctor was at, during the events occuring when he was there, obvious, easy to understand logic tells you that he was surrounded by any amount of tragedies that could be used for propaganda, without steeping to fake deaths so badly that he could hardly have even been a doctor.
Can you imagine burying your brother and then being internationally mocked for the death the next day? Reminds me of the scorn and bullying directed towards Michael J Fox for his Parkinsons, interestingly by the same political wing…
Its clear he has lefty sympathies, and its clear he sees the Pals as the main victims, but all this BS about you bloggers revealing his medical ineptitude, that he needed to fake anything when he was obviously up to his shoulders in blood, death and tragedy as any doctor in that situation would be, no matter what political affiliation he has, is just wholly implausible. As implausible as the "evidence" collected that proves Bush was behind 911.
Some newsbusters...lol
CAdaver1
January 14, 2009 - 15:36 ET by choselife3xTry real hard to find your @ss with both hands and follow it back to HuffPo.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You see? I post obvious
January 14, 2009 - 15:44 ET by daver1You see? I post obvious logic. You dont try to argue it. You go for character assassination instead. Ah well.
Lets see.
Why do you think an obviously experienced doctor would fail at faking a simple medical procedure so badly that any blogger can see its fake?
CAdaver1
January 14, 2009 - 15:45 ET by choselife3xRead the update.
If that kid was hit with shrapnel, where is the blood?
Read previous post and follow instructions.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I scrolled but couldnt
January 14, 2009 - 15:54 ET by daver1I scrolled but couldnt find what update you mean.
Your argument is so weak. "wheres the blood"? You mean blood cant be wiped off a dead body? Thats your proof? Are you saying the body wasnt even dead?
CAdaver1
January 14, 2009 - 16:01 ET by choselife3xYou are embarassing yourself.
Yes, we ARE pointing and laughing.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
The amount of blood
January 14, 2009 - 16:04 ET by BDThe amount of blood deposited on the gurney is minimal when he s moved in accordance with the video.
If we are to assume that the victim bled out, you would assume a significant amount deposited on the bed unless he died from bleeding into his intermuscualr area, in which case my posting for the lack of a dispalcy of cyanotism is still valid.
That CORPSE looked awefully health in that the skin was ruddy (inconsistant with a victims who required repeated even badly performed CPR Chest compressions.)
Also, the photo of the impact area on the rooftop of the supposed impact area of the hellfire missile that supposedly claimed the life of the victim showed no blood spatter, and the hellfire would have down significantly more damage to the body that a single wound IF he had been present of the rooftop as claimed by the Pali's.
This wonderful Doctor,
January 14, 2009 - 16:36 ET by thebutlerdiditThis wonderful Doctor, Mads, is a Palestinian sympathizer. Try this with some other site, we have already discussed him on other threads. Try Google, he isn't a wonderful innocent bystander. The brother is KNOWN for his propaganda photography, and people in Israel know him well. Try going over to Little Green Footballs, and tell them it's fake, they will set you straight on the players. Plus, if you think CNN doesn't do this propaganda stuff, and get taken in, you are the one who is startling naive.
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
chose, this Kosbot is a complete moron.
January 14, 2009 - 16:00 ET by R D HelmThat fake CNN video has already been debunked by people with intellectual abilities far beyond this goober's comprehension.
http://hotair.com/ar...
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Dave
January 14, 2009 - 16:04 ET by choselife3xHe scrolled but couldn't find the update?! Why does a gerbil on a wheel come to mind?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You self-assassinated, Kosbot.
January 14, 2009 - 15:51 ET by R D HelmThe first item in your post was a lie, as CNN did, in fact, pull that video, then put it back up later.
Everyone who has been following this story knows that. Funny how it escaped your "obvious logic."
I didn't bother to read the rest of your rant, as your credibility had by then been shot all to hell, although I did notice a Wiki reference as I scrolled down the thread.
Yet another reason not to bother.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Then dance with me down
January 14, 2009 - 15:53 ET by BDThen dance with me down below....
Your post is very hard to
January 14, 2009 - 15:51 ET by BDYour post is very hard to follow, but I will give astab at a reply.
1.) The video WAS down at the time the blog was posted. Perhaps CNN put it back up out of embarrassment at being caught.
2. Bloggers Utd, well-known international medical experts, think a doctor can't even fake a medical procedure? Why, I guess that would imply that he's not...not even...a real doctor? Because a real doctor would know what the procedure looks like...Honestly, don't you agree? Its funny, because he's got some pretty advanced medical credentials:
I bet he knows how to both carry out and fake the procedure much better than anyone on this forum (except for Kimberly of course, who once had a ½ hour CPR course or whatever she had). Don't you?
Probably the truth is this guy actually had his brother killed, only to be scorned as lying about the death by bloggers. In the hospital the doctor was at, during the events occuring when he was there, obvious, easy to understand logic tells you that he was surrounded by any amount of tragedies that could be used for propaganda, without steeping to fake deaths so badly that he could hardly have even been a doctor.
Can you imagine burying your brother and then being internationally mocked for the death the next day? Reminds me of the scorn and bullying directed towards Michael J Fox for his Parkinsons, interestingly by the same political wing…
I see. This is a site for
January 14, 2009 - 16:08 ET by daver1I see. This is a site for conspiracy nuts extremists rofl..."newsbusters".
Your replies are the usual utterly impossible demands of me showing the dead body or else it didn't happen...any adult realizes no debate is possible under such garbage conditions.
Why don't you show me the live body instead? See how thats a ludicrous demand to make in an internet debate? Oh, you can see that, but you'll never admit it.
Its laughable that the bloggers think they know more about medicine than this doctor, and laughable that they'd think that where they wouldnt slip up, this doctor did. I bet even the local chiropractor would know enough to not slip up on such a ridiculously contrived mistake.
You guys watch too much CSI lol
I see. This is a site for
January 14, 2009 - 16:19 ET by BDI see. This is a site for conspiracy nuts extremists rofl..."newsbusters".
Your replies are the usual utterly impossible demands of me showing the dead body or else it didn't happen...any adult realizes no debate is possible under such garbage conditions.
Why don't you show me the live body instead?
Its laughable that the bloggers think they know more about medicine than this doctor,
I bet even the local chiropractor would know enough to not slip up on such a ridiculously contrived mistake.
Actually, Kosbot, this is a site for people who, unlike you,...
January 14, 2009 - 16:20 ET by R D Helm...are not card-carrying, dues-paying members of the DumbMass Society, which, given the results of this last election, appears to have 65 million members.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
So heres the conspiracy
January 14, 2009 - 16:36 ET by daver1So heres the conspiracy theory:
1. In the main hospital of an urban warzone thats suffered hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded in just a few days, they can't find a dead body to use. Maybe this doctor thinks dead bodies are too icky to touch?
2. A doctor of quite clearly fairly advanced and of decidedly war and trauma well-seasoned credentials can't perform a simple procedure that my masseuse could do. Not for a second does it strike the doctor or anyone else that they're faking simple medical procedure so badly that it will easily be revealed by tom, dick and harry all over the blogging world, nor does he suspect for a second that any trained medical eye will see ever this international war-time hoax.
3. Bush personally planted thermite under the WTC and hence caused a small volcano to erupt.
Gotcha.
Also, you guys must have the slowest server in bloggdom. You're all invited over to an uncensored board with not just righties, but both righies and lefties represented where the server doesn't take half an hour if you want to continue.
http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/UtopiaForums/boardforum?id=politics
It always gets slow when a
January 14, 2009 - 16:42 ET by thebutlerdiditIt always gets slow when a bunch of nuts show up and post a bunch of crap no one wants to read, and wastes bandwidth. No thanks on the offer, we were all just fine with our delusions until you came and shattered them, thank you, thank you, thank you! We can now see the LIGHT!
Bringing the government in to run Wall Street is like saying, "Dad burned the dinner, let's get the dog to cook." PJ O'Rourke
yeah, I went and checked up
January 14, 2009 - 16:55 ET by daver1yeah, I went and checked up on this site at Wiki after the illogical initial conspiracy theorists started replying, and boy, wasn't I surprised. Of course, you guys prefer reading conservapedia lol...All conservative here, I see. Ah well, sit here patting yourselves on the back, hidden away in Republican Lalaland, with the rest of you people that voted for possibly the most disastrous president in history, where you proudly dream up new conspiracy theories with noone to contest you. The owner of this site after all, is noted for not being a fan of free speech.
I'll leave you to ponder some of the more profound views people like you have had recently
How old is the planet again? How well is the economy doing again? How much is the US NOT in a recession again? How much was the war going to cost again? How much has it cost so far? How many mobile chem labs did Saddam have again? How much was he working with AQ again? And how about all those most lethal WMD known to man? How many remote controlled drones did Saddam have again? How many dead babies did he keep in his freezer again? How many body doubles did he have again? And we still ain't seen no WMD. How much yellowcake did he get in Nigeria again? How many missiles that could hit the US in 45 minutes did he have? How many flowers were thrown at the feet of US troops again? Seriously, where ARE all those WMD? etc etc etc?
Seriously, if you guys haven't worked out that you belong to group of people that are always wrong by now, then I guess you're condemned to always belonging to that group.
Ciao ;)
I thought he was against
January 14, 2009 - 17:13 ET by BDI thought he was against name calling? I guess he is firing the FPF and fleeing the zone...
The owner of this site after all, is noted for not being a fan of free speech.
How old is the planet again?
How well is the economy doing again?
How much was the war going to cost again?
How many mobile chem labs did Saddam have again?
How many remote controlled drones did Saddam have again?
How many dead babies did he keep in his freezer again?
How many body doubles did he have again?
How much yellowcake did he get in Nigeria again?
How many missiles that could hit the US in 45 minutes did he have?
How many flowers were thrown at the feet of US troops again?
Seriously, where ARE all those WMD? etc etc etc?
Jesus christ. it took about
January 14, 2009 - 20:29 ET by daver1Jesus christ. it took about 2 minutes to load this page.I'll happily adress every single point at our much faster site. This one is crap and loads unacceptably slowly for a debate. Our one you just post a name, no need to wait for any authorization, copy paste, and it loads immediately.
I'll give you an appetizer, to get you off your ass. Point 1:
The owner of this site after all, is noted for not being a fan of free speech.
Bozell's stance on morality has been questioned. Commentator Paul Waldman writes that he was confronted by Bozell after an appearance with him on The O'Reilly Factor, profanely attacking his commentary on the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.[42]
Bozell has also been criticized as a "blatant follower of Joe McCarthy" with zero understanding of the vagaries of free speech.
Wiki
Theres the gauntlet. Lets see if you'll accept it. I hope you will, because that post above will get shredded. I can't believe people still believe that kind of garbage lol.
wiki?
January 14, 2009 - 20:44 ET by botglol
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Soooo.... When I
January 15, 2009 - 10:44 ET by BDSoooo....
When I criticize your comments I am "Squelching" your speech as well? Really?
If I confront your wildest claims, then ask for proof to back up your rationale I am "Squelching" your right to free speech?
Regarding the Swift Boat Vets for the truth, was it not their right to free Speech that YOUR side of the aisle was attacking. 256 former Swift Boat veterans mostly said nothing more than their belief that their former comrade was not worthy of command and suddenly they were being sued.
By the way, what was Joe McCarthy's view on free speecha gain? I remember him as the guy who pointed out that the State Department was riddled with Commies - a claim later found to be accurate by historical events.
1. In the main hospital of
January 14, 2009 - 16:53 ET by BD1. In the main hospital of an urban warzone thats suffered hundreds of dead
Maybe this doctor thinks dead bodies are too icky to touch?
2. A doctor of quite clearly fairly advanced and of decidedly war and trauma well-seasoned credentials can't perform a simple procedure that my masseuse could do.
Not for a second does it strike the doctor or anyone else that they're faking simple medical procedure so badly that it will easily be revealed by tom, dick and harry all over the blogging world, nor does he suspect for a second that any trained medical eye will see ever this international war-time hoax.
3. Bush personally planted thermite under the WTC and hence caused a small volcano to erupt.
Hi, troll. My name is Dave. I am the Assistant Troll Greeter...
January 14, 2009 - 17:01 ET by R D Helm...here at NB. :-)
As such, I certainly hope your stay with us here is pleasant and all, whatever its duration.
At some point, you are going to meet my superior. Her name is Blonde. I advise that you watch out for those boots of hers, cause if she nails you in the bag, its gonna hurt.
Well, have fun looking around, and be sure to let me know if there is anything I can get for ya.
Oh, and welcome to NewsBusters, troll.
-Dave
“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.
Carry on, Number One
January 14, 2009 - 17:18 ET by BlondeWe need a better class of troll, here.
(And I know why you're so annoyed with this one, LOL).
BD, Dave, Blonde, troll
January 14, 2009 - 20:56 ET by botghttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html?_r=2
Dr. Awni al-Jaru, 37, a surgeon at the hospital, rushed in from his home here, dressed in his scrubs. But he came not to work. His head was bleeding, and his daughter’s jaw was broken.
He said Hamas militants next to his apartment building had fired mortar and rocket rounds. Israel fired back with force, and his apartment was hit. His wife, Albina, originally from Ukraine, and his 1-year-old son were killed.
“My son has been turned into pieces,” he cried. “My wife was cut in half. I had to leave her body at home.” Because Albina was a foreigner, she could have left Gaza with her children. But, Dr. Jaru lamented, she would not leave him behind.
A car arrived with more patients. One was a 21-year-old man with shrapnel in his left leg who demanded quick treatment. He turned out to be a militant with Islamic Jihad. He was smiling a big smile.
“Hurry, I must get back so I can keep fighting,” he told the doctors.
He was told that there were more serious cases than his, that he needed to wait. But he insisted. “We are fighting the Israelis,” he said. “When we fire we run, but they hit back so fast. We run into the houses to get away.” He continued smiling.
“Why are you so happy?” this reporter asked. “Look around you.”
A girl who looked about 18 screamed as a surgeon removed shrapnel from her leg. An elderly man was soaked in blood. A baby a few weeks old and slightly wounded looked around helplessly. A man lay with parts of his brain coming out. His family wailed at his side.
“Don’t you see that these people are hurting?” the militant was asked.
“But I am from the people, too,” he said, his smile incandescent. “They lost their loved ones as martyrs. They should be happy. I want to be a martyr, too.”
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
clearly Hamas encourages
January 14, 2009 - 20:58 ET by botgcollateral damage
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
They're cowards
January 14, 2009 - 21:36 ET by BlondePure and simple.
If they were so willing to be martyred and go to Allah, they wouldn't be hinding amongst the civilian populations.
Cowards who purposely
January 14, 2009 - 21:45 ET by botgendanger their own children which, imo, makes them lower than run-of-the-mill child molesters
why the populations put up with and aid these asshats is beyond me but, it does make them accomplices.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Nazis, WWII: The danes and
January 14, 2009 - 23:54 ET by daver1Nazis, WWII: The danes and the french are committing terrorism. They hide among their women and children, endangering their lives, walk around in civilian clothes and attack us in the streets. Then they flee and hide among their women and children again.
Gutless terrorists.
Why is this guy still here?
January 15, 2009 - 00:44 ET by JWFHe came to NB for the express purpose of being argumentative, insulting, agitating, and now in a matter of hours has reached the lowest you can go - bringing up Nazi's in a thread that had no connection to WWII or Nazism.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
jwf
January 15, 2009 - 00:49 ET by botgdon't know,
did you pm Matt? though i don't he's been outrageous enough for Matt to be too concerned.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
The French and Danes did
January 15, 2009 - 10:56 ET by BDThe French and Danes did not attempt to MAXIMIZE their casualties of women and children to gain sympathy in the free world press.
In most cases they chose to fight in the open, paricularly the FFL who fought in the forests wll away from the civil populace.
Try again
More news on the
January 15, 2009 - 00:11 ET by celatorMore news on the Palestinian cowardice front:
Hamas leadership is hiding in bunkers they built underneath hospitals. Yesterday, one of their rockets hit a kindergarten in southern Israel. Second kindergarten they've hit recently. Earlier today, a Hamas terrorist dressed in an Israeli Defense Force uniform with explosives hidden underneath was able to blend in with Israeli troops. Israeli paratroopers discovered him in time, and dispatched him swiftly, straight to Allah.
For liberal Democrats and the Old Media, everything is crisis, chaos, calamity and catastrophe. That justifies stealing your property and liberties.
http://www.liveleak.com/view
January 18, 2009 - 12:43 ET by daver1http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c2_1232202907
More deaths that you can pretend are fake and laugh about so that your hot meal doesnt choke in your throat in your warm comfy TV chair. Poor Israel who hardly has any media technology or knows how to click enter on a computer, sits there like innocent targets while the technologically advanced Pal internet propaganda machine bulldozes on
Lesson number 1: When you
January 18, 2009 - 14:00 ET by BDLesson number 1:
When you see Hamas snipers entering your house to shoot at Isreali's GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!
Lesson number 2:
WHen Troops get shot at by snipers, THEY SHOOT BACK. GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.
Lesson Number 3: If you do not want to have a Merkava pop a 105mm HE round at your house, DO NOT ALLOW HAMAS TERRORISTS TO SHOOT FROM YOUR HOUSE.
Lesson Number 4: If you do not want you neighborhood to get a few 105mm rounds in the roof's, CHASE HAMAS TERRORISTS AWAY.
Lesson Number 5: If you allow idiot terrorists to shoot rockets from your neighborhood long enough, the Isarealis will shoot back and they are more effective. DON't LET HAMAS TO SHOOT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
Wanna guess what lesson number 6 is?
War is hell
January 19, 2009 - 02:44 ET by JWFHope you shed a tear when you saw your video.
You see an injustice? Join the fight. You only need a one-way ticket and very little money. Whinyboys die quick. Otherwise, quit whining here whinyboy.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Yup. Or as it turns out when you watch this ...
February 25, 2009 - 16:40 ET by BjörnOttarhttp://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/01/22/bs.holmes.gaza.boy.death.cnn
... stupid conspiracy theories for stupid bloggers.
Time to be humble?
Please be clear and post
February 25, 2009 - 19:20 ET by BDPlease be clear and post the rationale for your statement that the above post was a "Conspiracy theory.
And please do it in your own words.
own words
March 23, 2009 - 10:22 ET by BjörnOttarWell, the video clearly refutes the majority of the accusations that have been made towards this video. For example the key argument is that the CPR on the original tape is "unconvincing". (I agree, but I am not an expert). To the conspiracy theorists in the blog sphere, this means that the child is not dead and that they are all acting etc. They assume what fits with their world-view.
Along comes the extended version where it seems that Gilbert actually agrees that the CPR is puny, and instructs the fat guy to to it properly.
Ok. The question one should ask oneself then is "hmmm, my key evidence was wrong, maybe my theory was wrong all the way?"
Several other allegations are also countered in this tape. What the doctors say is, I guess, that it looks like a fairly authentic scene with a fairly dead child. And given all this, if I were you, I would turn the focus to the mental processes that led me down this path of allegations and speculations in the first place, rather than sticking with the theory just arguing more desperately that "I am sure it's a fake, as long as no one proves it's not, and if someone does he is an antisemite". (check comments below for the inspiration for this)
Cheers!
Björn Ottar
Oh do stop with the Arab apologists you Arab apologist.
March 23, 2009 - 10:36 ET by JWFIt was bullshit arab propaganda coming from an Arab propagandist colluding with Arab propagandist doctors.
The child was NOT killed by an Isreali missile on that rooftop.
You know what, I am not going to repeat myself. You are a coward for not refuting what I said below.
Coward. Arab apologist.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Hi Mr Veteran
March 24, 2009 - 09:59 ET by BjörnOttarYou are quite funny when you are angry. But name calling is not a very polite thing to do, even though you are some kind of veteran of something.
To be honest: I am in no position to judge from the footage whether the child was killed on the rooftop. The main allegations of fake was based on the CPR and lack of intubation of the child. This was refuted by the CNN, and I suppose no sane individual will claim that the extra footage is staged afterwards to reply to the allegations or that the doctors hired by CNN to comment on the autencity of the hospital scene are actors or whatever. So what I think we can be fairly certain of is that the hospital scene is quite genuine. Do you agree? And given that there are a few houndred documented dead children in Gaza (by Israeli numbers as well), I have a hard time to comprehend why they would need someone to act dead.
Regarding the rooftop scene, I haven't got any opinion as to whether it is genuine, but I am kind of baffeled by your devotion to the idea that it is not. But again, given that a number of children were killed and that a number of buildings were actually hit, I can't really see why they would film some random roof if they were looking for a good scene.
As for your details about the wounds: Isn't is so that small shrapnel fragments on the right place can kill a man without creating much blood? But here you are obviously the expert, so I won't go into details more than that. (not because I am a coward, but because I respect your expertise).
Just a question: Do you still think the hospital scene was faked, or are you just angry that it wasn't?
Björn Ottar
I am finished with you, arab apologist
March 25, 2009 - 00:51 ET by JWFYou appear to have problems with english as a second language and you have problems following threads.
I already addressed the issues you brought up in other parts of this thread.
You love arab so much, you love being an apologist so much, why don't you convert? You would certainly fit in well, as you don't listen and you don't learn.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Finished?
March 25, 2009 - 04:27 ET by BjörnOttarYou are not finished with me, honey.
First: To "blah bla blah Arab apologist?" "blah bla blah love arab so much" etc. Why? This is a website dedicated to analysis of news, isn't it? I have tried to stick to the fact that the "analysis" of the ER scene has been sucessfully countered by new information made available by CNN. This has lead to a load of inane ad hominem (look that up mr English-is-my-first-language-boy) insults, from you and others here. For Christ's sake, calling someone an otter didn't even work in first grade! We could of course discuss Hamas and IDF, but I suspect it would be pretty boring, and that is not what I have discussed here.
Second: To read all your posts in this tread is not a matter of knowing the language, but rather to have the patience to read line upon line of repetitive ranting.
Third: If you thought that you could reply to the remarks I made in my last post, you would. Your dismissal of me is just because you chicken out.
Your friend, Björn Ottar
PS: By the way, a few of the comments here have questioned Dr Gilberts capacity as a anesthesiologist. Interestingly, he is quite acclaimed, according to BBC he actually has some kind of a world record for saving someone with extremely low body temperature. (check wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia....)
Yes. Yes. I am finished. You are not very bright.
March 25, 2009 - 05:30 ET by JWFI have tried to stick to the fact that the "analysis" of the ER scene
No you didn't. You had a half-assed link to cnn that did not work. I had to go to cnn's website and actually hunt for the video you referenced. And the you called us STUPID.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/01/22/bs.holmes.gaza.boy.death.cnn
... stupid conspiracy theories for stupid bloggers.
Further, the cnn video knocked over the weakest of the arguments. Not the strongest, namely, that an Israeli missile killed the boy on the roof. This is what the propaganda was all about after all - Israel deliberately killing small children. The propaganda video was not about whether doctors in the Gaza script know how to properly conduct CPR. IT WAS PROPAGANDA TO TURN WORLD OPINION AGAINST ISRAEL.
inane ad hominem (look that up mr English-is-my-first-language-boy) insults
You truly are rock stupid. ad hominem is LATIN. It is a latin phrase - argument to the man. LATIN. not english. LATIN.
We could of course discuss Hamas and IDF...
No we couldn't because YOU are an arab apologist.
To read all your posts in this tread is not a matter of knowing the language, but rather to have the patience to read line upon line of repetitive ranting.
You said it yourself, you don't want to read or learn. And you consider it all ranting. Therefore I would be wasting time trying to teach you anything.
All you want is to further spread your arab propaganda.
If you thought that you could reply to the remarks I made in my last post, you would. Your dismissal of me is just because you chicken out.
You admit you refuse to read anything anyone has written here as they are ranting. Now you have the gall to demand we reply to your every little screed.
Here is some more latin for you.
Consummatum est
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
PS: You want to kiss Dr. Gilberts' behind. Fine. Just don't expect that there be an award for it.
Not very bright?
March 25, 2009 - 08:28 ET by BjörnOttar1. The link: Try copy and paste.
2. Re: "stupid", it was a hommage to the first comment just below the main article. (I thought you had read them all really carefully.)
3. I know "ad hominem" is latin. Duh!
4. Interestingly, you interpret any attempt to convey simple facts that contradict your world-view as symptoms of arab love, desires to kiss behinds or whatever. You talk about me learning all the time (quite pompously, to be honest), but shouldn't you instead reflect a little on how this instinctive "shoot the messenger" behavior inhibits your own learning ability.
Thanks for now, and good luck!
BO
whatever. arab apologist.
March 25, 2009 - 12:14 ET by JWFIsn't there a space reserved for you between an Israeli bulldozer and a palestinian house?
Oh, goody, we have another anti-Semitic troll...
March 25, 2009 - 12:39 ET by R D Helm...who apparently sports a genuine turban, too.
As they say on radio, "Wow, what a deal!"
BTW, Akhmed, that bogus video you posted has been debunked by people with intelligence far beyond your comprehension:
http://hotair.com/ar...
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Trolls
March 26, 2009 - 04:38 ET by BjörnOttarHi Dave.
Did you see the CNN video I posted? The link you provide above here is yesterday's news, and I can't really see how that debunks any of the video that CNN made in response to the accusations of fakery.
Check that out first, and then you can return to calling me names:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/01/22/bs.holmes.gaza.boy.death.cnn
Cheers,
Björn Ottar
PS: I don't believe that trolls are anti-semitic. According to the fairytales they crave for the blood of christians.
Oh look the arab apologist wants to discuss arab propaganda.
March 26, 2009 - 06:18 ET by JWFLook Corrie, a bulldozer about to demolish a house. Quick, go get in front of it and stop it.
Oh look Rachel, 2 kids are playing on a rooftop. Quick go join them.
Funny
March 26, 2009 - 08:50 ET by BjörnOttarHe he.
Your are quite funny JWF.
See you later!
Björn Ottar
So the lying liar says he did not lie...
February 26, 2009 - 02:39 ET by JWFCNN goes to the root of the story and asks the liar if he lied. The liar says no. CNN is happy!
CNN proves beyond a doubt that there was a dead child. But the 2 doctors it enlists to help cannot say what killed the child.
CNN absolutely FAILS to prove -
What killed the child? When was the child killed? Where was the child killed?
CNN fails to refute the more serious charges -
Where was the blood? Missiles cause massive damage to human bodies. Yet there was almost no blood on the child or the hospital sheets. And there was open unbandaged wounds on the child.
Where was the damage to the roof of the building? Missiles cause massive damage to building type structures.
This child was killed at some other place, at some other time, by some other means. A palestinian propagandist then falsely links the childs death to an Israeli missile that supposedly struck a roof that shows no evidence of a missile actually striking said roof.
Bjornotter loves yummy arab propaganda and so does CNN.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Born an Otter
February 26, 2009 - 02:50 ET by Trix RabbitYour manaical Zionist conspiracies and hatred of Jews are born of your own mental and spiritual deformation.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"