Urban Gun Crime Partially the Fault of 'The South': AP

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Attention, y'all in the South: Urban crime is partly your fault.

You see, if you didn't own so many guns, you wouldn't have so many of them stolen or sold at gun shows. Right now, those evil guns cross state lines and get used to commit crimes in urban areas.

Got that?

I know all of this because the Associated Press's Seanna Adcox, acting as a mouthpiece for the Mayors Against Illegal Guns, has told me so (link is dynamic; 2 AM version saved here for future reference):

Report: South a big exporter of guns used in crime

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Ten states are responsible for the bulk of illegal guns that are shipped across state lines for use in crimes, according to a report released Friday by a national coalition of mayors.

About 30 percent of guns traced by federal agents in 2006 and 2007 during crime investigations were bought in a state other than where the crime occurred, said the report by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which largely blamed the transport of illegal guns on states with lax gun laws.

For 2007, the top sources for guns used in crimes elsewhere were Georgia, Florida, Texas, Virginia, California, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Alabama.

However, the report's authors placed greater emphasis on per-capita exports of guns, saying that data is a better indicator of lax gun laws. The gun-friendly South accounted for a disproportionate amount of the problem when population size was factored in, according to the report.

West Virginia is the top exporter, per capita, of illegal guns, with 41 traced guns per 100,000 state residents, followed by Mississippi, at 39 guns per 100,000, and South Carolina, at 31. The average national rate is 11 exported guns. Kentucky, Alabama, Virginia, Georgia, Indiana, Nevada, and North Carolina round out the top 10 exporting states, per capita, reads the report, titled "The Movement of Illegal Guns In America: The Link between Gun Laws and Interstate Trafficking."

..... A spokesman for South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, who signed a bill removing the one-a-month limit on how many handguns a person can buy, said state laws are not the problem.

"We think we have adequate controls in place," said Joel Sawyer. "Unfortunately, criminals are always going to find a way to circumvent the process." 

The mayors' group, co-founded by (New York Mayor Michael) Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, is made up of more than 340 mayors from across the country, concentrated in the Northeast, Florida and California.

The statistical flaw of the mayors' report as described is obvious, in that there appears to no attempt to correlate per-capita gun ownership with guns crossing state lines per capita. I would think this comparison could easily be made, if there was interest in making it. If, for example, gun ownership per capita in West Virginia is five times the national average, the rate of Mountain State guns used in crimes elsewhere of 41 vs. the national average of 11 would be lower per gun owned. Even if that's not the case, the situation could easily be described as criminals trying to steal guns in southern states. Just as Willie Sutton robbed banks because "that's where the money is," criminals steal guns in southern states because that's where more of them happen to be.

Ms. Adcox's word games are also pretty "clever," even by AP's non-standards. Here are a few but by no means all:

  • On what planet is a stolen gun illegally carried across state lines an "export"?
  • States with high rates of ownership are "gun-friendly," and (not excerpted) someone quoted was described as "ardent."
  • States with high rates of ownership presumptively have "lax gun laws."

I'm also detecting a whiff of regional and/or urban v. rural arrogance on the part of Ms. Adcox and the mayors' group, especially her characterization of "the gun-friendly South." Why isn't the mayors' group described as "gun-hostile"?

Perhaps these mayors -- especially those other than Bloomberg, whose city remains relatively safe thanks to the crime-fighting legacy of Rudy Giuliani (not because of Gotham's strict gun laws) -- should look at the urban cultures, law enforcement and prosecutorial efforts, and sentencing policies in their cities, and see what is going wrong. Last time I checked, folks in the South don't have a lot of influence over any of these.

Cross-posted at NewsBusters.org.

—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters


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Seems like the South gets

Seems like the South gets blamed for everything!

Of course we do

We aren't cultured and enlightened like the northern liberals.  We believe in life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, AND the second amendment.  According to the liberals' mentality we are backward, inbred, stupid, gun-loving, clinging-to-our-religion radicals.

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

LMM

Don't forget racist!

oops....

Thanks, Seashell.  Now how in the world did I forget racist. 

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

And we both forgot

And we both forgot intolerant and homophobic.

And...

Seashell:

And deer "murdering", tobacco chewing rednecks!

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

You all forgot...

Bigots! How can you homophobic, racist, hate mongoring, fear mongoring, stupid toothless tobacco chewing, dog fornicating, bible thumping, gun carrying, weal minded wife/husband beating slobs forget BIGOTS?

 Ya'll be dat too!

Hey LMM, drugs and a good chat be a wonderful thing! ;)

Still around.

D****d yankees and carpetbaggers - after 143 years they're still around.

  West Virginia is the top

  West Virginia is the top exporter, per capita, of illegal guns, ...

Hey wait a minute.  If the guns are being stolen in the South, isn't it the case that the big cities are 'exporting' their criminals not that the South is exporting its guns?  When a bank robber robs a bank do you point at the depositors as being at fault because if they hadn't put their money in the bank there would have been no robbery?

West Virginia is NO SOUTHERN STATE

They made their beds prior to the civil war and we're happy they did.   Visit West Virginia now and you'll get to see the results of northern leftist thinking.   They can't discern a murderer from a civil rights worker.    

OMG mearline

When you stop northern Virginia from becoming a really big suburb for DC then you can talk about "the true south." I've lived in Richmond for almost a year now, and other than hearing the occasional "hey yall" I might as well be back up north.

As for northern leftist thinking, I'm sure you appreciated Governor Kaine bragging about Virginia no longer being "Old Virginny" since it was enlightened enough to vote Obama and come through with two Dem Senators.

 

I'm a typical white person.

And it seems like the

And it seems like the super-tight gun laws of our northern neighbors are ineffective because criminals ignore the law (imagine that).  But, when you dont enforce your own laws and hold the guilty accountable, then you have to blame somebody.

And like the ...

Global warming hoax, why should I believe anything I am told by gubbermint about anything? Especially when it is clearly designed to take away my rights?

Urban crime is caused by lack of urban police forces enforcing the laws. As is the case with most of the very high crime "Ray Nagan style chocolate cities".

If Drugs Can be Smuggled in from Mexico, so can Guns ....

We can't stop the massive importation of illegal drugs ... and these people think banning guns will stop gun cime?

They are!

I live in Tucson and drive trains and we had a train run from the Nogales border that we had to stop because they not only found people in the freight cars but assault rifles in buried in loaded grain cars. All trains go through a huge x-ray machine. That's how they found them.

The most dangerous park to visit is Organ Pipe Nat'l Monument due to smugglers...of people, drugs and guns.

What's sad is that it's not big news here, just a small article embedded on page 10.

Former Detroit Mayor Coleman Young said the same thing

I don't know the exact quote but he made essentially the same ridiculous statement that he couldn't get rid of the crime in Detroit because of all of the guns in the suburbs.

 

"Fight the good fight every moment
It's your only way"  Triumph

The bs just keeps sudsing and sudsing...

The bs just keeps sudsing and sudsing. It's the money!

More magical thinking on libs part

(said in a whiny voice): If all the guns were gone (magically) then there would be peace on earth, no crime just perfect harmony.

(Said in a whiny voice): If we all used one piece of toilet paper we could (magically) save the planet.

(Said in a whiny voice): If we could give everyone  a (sub-prime) loan to buy a house we could (magically) end poverty.

(Said in a whiny voice): If we could redistribute the wealth then we could (magically) end poverty and abolish class divisions.

(Said in a whiny voice): It's for the children.

Never ending delusion and fantastical imagining fuels their thinking. Extremely dangerous if the delusional folks are in charge.

Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster

Any criminal with half a

Any criminal with half a brain knows to steal a gun then to get rid of the gun after committing a crime with it. The only ways to connect the gun with the criminal is by catching him with it or if he leaves a fingerprint or DNA on it (and that's only if they already have the criminal's information on file).

Who cares where the guns come from? Why not worry more about prosecuting the criminals and putting them behind bars. And institute the "Castle Doctrine" and unrestricted concealed carry for everyone. Then crime rates will drop dramatically.

Don't fear the gun. Guns in the hands of citizens keep criminals (and the government) in line.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942

Who provides the market for illegal guns

And if all the states actually respected the 2nd Amendment, there wouldn't be such a lucrative market for illegal guns. 

Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!

You are so right...

States that do respect the 2nd statistically have lower violent crime rates.

Would YOU risk breaking into a home in a state where citizens have the right to bear arms? Would YOU want to rob someone in a city that allows it's (law abiding of course) people to carry wothout undue restrictions? Not Me!

John Lott's book, "More Guns, Less Crime" is a great book every gun owner should have.

Florida

Thanks to our wonderful ex-governor Jeb Bush, Florida has the castle law.  You can defend yourself in your home and in your car without chance of a civil lawsuit being filed against you and no criminal charges. "I was in fear of my life." 

Also, if you see a criminal threatening bodily harm to someone else, you can put yourself vicariously in his/her place and defend the potential victim.  Again without criminal or civil lawsuits.

This is one of the best gun "laws" I've ever seen.  It gives the citizens the right to defend themselves and others in peril.  

Oh how I miss Jeb Bush.  Grapevine has it that Jeb might run for Mel Martinez' Senate seat next election.  Please run for Senator, Jeb.  The citizens of Florida support you.

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

In AZ...

We also have the Castle law. Even the relatives of the bad guy can't sue you! Thanks to Nepoli-Reno, she nixed some new laws that would ease restrictions.

You can't carry a gun into a place that serves booze for open consumption. Good idea but the law was meant for bars and eateries whose main product/service is booze, not a restaraunt that serves wine.

When lawmakers tried to correct it so we can carry at while at a restraunt (so long as the armed oned doesn't drink), Napolit-Reno vetoed it.

Now she's the next Homeland Security pick! Good and bad. Good cuz she's outta here and we get a Republican as Guv, bad cuz her record here with illegals and wanting to legalize leglaize them will ruin us.

Regionalization

They are trying to regionalize gun rights. They are trying to scare northerners into thinking that Southerners are running illegal guns into their region. It sounds to me that the problem is with the damned yankees who keep shooting each other for no good reason.

It doesn't sound like the guns are illegal until someone perps a crime with one. Am I reading that right?

If the liberals can convince enough people that the only thing that stands between this nation and a perfect world without guns is Southerners, then it becomes an easy sell. Heck, they know the South isn't going to support liberals anyway.

It used to be that the murder rate was much higher in the South and still may be. It's little comfort, but gun violence here isn't as random as in urban areas or the north. I work in courthouses throughout Kentucky and am familiar with court cases (through gossip and not through legal work). In most gun perped murder cases in rural Kentucky, the victim and the killer knew each other. Sometimes -- and I know this will be surprising -- they are married to each other.

In the South, there is the unspoken "he needed killin" defense.

Sometimes the scum from the north make it down here. About 20 years ago, law enforcement found a corpse on a rural highway that had its feet, hands, and teeth removed. They never identified the victim. When I heard about it I said that it was not local. It's never been solved.

 There are at least 4

 There are at least 4 million Joe Horns in Texas.  

If these yankees think that they have an easy time of it stealing guns here, they may be surprised.   Stealing anything.

Hell, we have enough of a time taking care of the criminals we have here, much less importing more.  We do not even a litttle bit like yankees coming down here and committing crimes. That's kind of frowned upon.

Look of the history of Judge (now congressman) Ted Poe just to see how creative Texas can be when sentencing even the smallest crime.  If, we settle small crimes in this manner, I think y'all know how we handle the big crimes.

I also think everyone in this country should know by now, if you are going to kill someone, do not do it in Texas.  We tend to take that seriously too.

C. R.

I love Ron White's spiel on Texas' death penalty.  "We put in an express line."  

If criminals were actually punished for the crimes they do, the crimes would dwindle overnight.  But, all these bleeding heart liberals think the criminals have been mistreated in their youth and they deserve another chance.  Another chance?  What, to kill more people?   Yet, the "brilliant" Bill Ayers wants to do away with the prison system.  Yeah, right!

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

Blame game

Blaming guns for crime is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donut's fat ass.

Let's not forget the guns

Let's not forget the guns that the police buy in one of their buy back programs that subsequently turn up in crimes later. Where are the mayors on that? 

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Good evening danbo

In New orleans 5 miles from here, not only the buy back guns but some of the the guns from the police department evidence room are back on the street. The guns confiscated from honest citizens during Hurricane Katrina have never been returned to their owners. God only knows where those are.

Also some of the drugs, cash jewelry and other valuable evidence needed to prosecute criminals is missing. Many cases have been dismissed because of this. This is thanks to Willy Wonka Mayor Nagin's incompetent appointees.

Our liberal rag the Times Picayune doesn't bother to make an issue of this. The people involved are all liberal democrats but that couldn't have any bearing on this.

Half right

Actually, they're half right.  Most of the northern urban crime is committed by people whose ancestors came from the South only a few generations ago.  The guns are a scapegoat because they don't want to think about that.