Now that Eric Holder is in the process of trying to graduate from Barack Obama's vice-presidential search committee to President-elect Obama's apparent nominee for Attorney General, it's a good idea to remind people of Holder's role in the Elian Gonzalez case in 2000. This post largely reprises one I put up in June.
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In between hosannas, someone should consider Barack Obama's "Judgment to Lead" in light of his selection of Eric Holder as his nominee for Attorney General.
Besides his already-known role as former Clinton Administration Deputy Attorney General in facilitating the Clinton pardons, including that of fugitive billionaire financier Marc Rich, there's the matter of Holder's involvement in the Elian Gonzalez case in 2000.
As the April 23, 2000 edition of the Media Research Center's CyberAlert noted at the time, Andrew Napolitano of Fox News charged that the early-Saturday seizure of the then 6 year-old Gonzalez from those who were taking care of him flagrantly disobeyed a ruling of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
In response to a question from Fox News anchor Jeff Asman, Napolitano said the following (bolds are mine throughout this post):
The order issued by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals four days ago .... said once the INS chooses the guardian, and the INS chose Lazaro Gonzalez (Elian's paternal great uncle -- Ed.) to be the guardian, and an application for asylum has been made by the guardian, the INS can not change the guardian and that's exactly what they did here."
Asman: "So is this executive overreach?"
Napolitano: "This is more than executive overreach. This is contempt of the circuit court of appeals order. This is a high class kidnapping is what it is, sanctioned by no law, sanctioned by no judge..."
In an interview later that morning, Napolitano left Holder speechless (also available in the fourth item at this link):
Napolitano: Tell me, Mr. Holder, why did you not get a court order authorizing you to go in and get the boy?
Holder: Because we didn't need a court order. INS can do this on its own.
Napolitano: You know that a court order would have given you the cloak of respectability to have seized the boy.
Holder: We didn't need an order.
Napolitano: Then why did you ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals for such an order if you didn't need one?
Holder: [Silence]
Napolitano: The fact is, for the first time in history you have taken a child from his residence at gunpoint to enforce your custody position, even though you did not have an order authorizing it.
Earlier in that interview, as noted in a different CyberAlert item on the same day, Holder showed that he wouldn't admit the truth, even when in plain sight:
Napolitano: When is the last time a boy, a child, was taken at the point of a gun without an order of a judge. Unprecedented in American history."
Holder: "He was not taken at the point of a gun."
Napolitano: "We have a photograph showing he was taken at the point of a gun."
Holder: "They were armed agents who went in there who acted very sensitively..."
Here is the Pulitzer Prize-winning photo taken by Alan Diaz of the Associated Press depicting how Elian Gonzalez was "was not taken at the point of a gun" (larger picture is at link):

Someone should ask Barack Obama if he is at all bothered by Mr. Holder's inability to even recognize when someone is being taken at gunpoint, and how, among all the possible Attorney General candidates out there, Mr. Holder was still deemed so deserving to be nominated as the nation's highest law enforcement official.
Don't expect that question any time soon from the Obama-mesmerized media.
Adapted from a similar post in June (at NewsBusters; at BizzyBlog).
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters





















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So, Holder was involved in the Castro-organized....
November 21, 2008 - 00:35 ET by R D Helm...and Clinton administration duplicity (cooperation?) in the blatant kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez by American "law enforcement" personel apparently working for Janet Reno, who was apparently working for a murderous communist government in 2000.
Holder should be disqualified from running for dog-catcher in East Bumblejerk Iowa, as far as I am concerned.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Janet Reno has a fine legacy
November 21, 2008 - 00:43 ET by cocodrieElian Gonzalez - Waco - Ruby Ridge. Too bad she never took care of the extremists in D.C.
well coco
November 21, 2008 - 11:16 ET by candanceJanet Reno was responsible for a lot of stupid things, but Ruby Ridge happened Aug 1992.
I'm a typical white person.
Good evening Candance
November 22, 2008 - 00:20 ET by cocodrieHow right you are. My dislike of the Clintons led me astray. Memory and I are not close friends anymore I guess. I don't feel bad about blaming her though, it makes up for the things she got away with that we don't know about. God bless.
Why, R D !
November 21, 2008 - 02:35 ET by DoktorFranken" . . . working for Janet Reno, who was apparently working for a murderous communist government in 2000.
Holder should be disqualified from running for dog-catcher in East Bumblejerk Iowa . . . ."
Why you sweet talker, you. BTW, I drove through East Bumblejerk Iowa a few months ago - it's right down Route 30, isn't it?
Everyone should keep in mind that, as my wife likes to say, ''these are the people for whom the rules do not apply''. They are Democrats and, therefore, exempt from the rules and laws that we normal folks (like Conservatives) have to abide by. It's some sort of imbalance in nature for which the Founding Fathers (very smart folks that wore weird pants) created the Second Amendment to deal with.
Are you kidding? How could
November 21, 2008 - 04:35 ET by Acts 2_38Are you kidding? How could Holder or Reno have "kidnapped" Elian G? By RETURNING HIM to his FATHER? You guys have managed to "convince" yourselves of a lot. A war was started by what we'll charitably call a "mistake". Many of you seem to have convinced yourselves that it was a good thing despite the lack of WMD, for the specious reason of "freeing the Iraqi people". None of whom were "yearning to be free, by the way". If you'd have said "Hey, Iraq's full of Muslims who'd happily drag a Christian through the street until dead * file footage available* . Muslims, who have started no freedom movement of their own, AND WHO AREN'T ASKING FOR OUR HELP. Let's go sacrifice four thousand Americans so they can be "free".
I doubt you'd have gotten past opening arguments before you were laughed off the stage. And because liberals truly are the scum of the earth and SUCK, you've managed to convince yourselves that the war for which we gain NOTHING, is a "good thing". Well, that 's fine, de-Nile ain't just a river in Africa, y'know? But SHEESH now you think this kid was being kidnapped on behalf of his own FATHER? Man, you better buy a freakin' vowel and get a clue. That kid didn't belong here in the first place. Most cubans never try to leave their country and most Iraqis were okay with Saddam. When you're right you're right when you're wrong you're wrong.
You're WRONG.
November 21, 2008 - 09:31 ET by pbanks7What an ultramaroon. What an ignoranimus. Where do you get your information? Or are they wild guesses?
I'm typing this slowly so maybe it will sink in. Look. At. The. Picture. By your reasoning, any man who is estranged from his wife can take his kids from their mother at gunpoint.
Just because most people don't risk their lives to leave, probably because there will be retribution to their remaining families if they do so, does not mean they like it in Cuba.
My son is going back to Iraq for a second tour. He was there for the invasion. MOST of the people were happy he was there (by his estimation 65% happy, 25% indifferent, 10% unhappy), and would hug him, simply touch him, or tell him they loved him - in English.
What freedom movements are widespread in the most repressive countries in the world? We have it so good here that you don't even appreciate the freedoms we have. Wake the hell up.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.
I understand his logic
November 22, 2008 - 10:24 ET by TailgunnerI understand his logic perfectly. Here's an example.
A tiny percentage of prisoners risk their lives to escape the Federal Correctional Institution in, say, Miami.
Since that number is so small, it naturally follows that the remainder of the prison population is happy and content with their situation.
Q.E.D.
NOLI PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Was this a drive by?
November 21, 2008 - 09:44 ET by ahusserWas forced to return to at the point of a gun. Maybe you ought to get out more maybe read something. Apparently you missed that shining moment in liberal history. BTW what does WMD have to do with this blog. See ya later troll.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
Hussein is DEAD!
November 21, 2008 - 09:54 ET by PopularTechNo not BO, Saddam! Well worth killing that murdering bastard.
We gained more oil baby! Unlike economic illiterates like yourself the rest of us have to make sure our cars still work years from now.
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morning keith
November 21, 2008 - 11:16 ET by candanceDidn't you get banned last time?
I'm a typical white person.
Who is this "keith" of which
November 21, 2008 - 17:26 ET by Acts 2_38Who is this "keith" of which you speak? Someone who made the mistake of telling the naked they were unclothed? Sounds like it.
aw
November 22, 2008 - 00:45 ET by candanceUsing a clever comeback to hide the fact that you will neither confess nor deny your identity? Nice try.
I'm not too worried. I know what your screen name means and I know what your mission in life is. Eventually you'll drop the mask and go back to your novel-length tirades.
I'm a typical white person.
Elian Gonzalez was
November 21, 2008 - 13:23 ET by R D HelmElian Gonzalez was kidnapped for Fidel by members of the Clinton Administration.
Elian was used as a propaganda tool by Fidel in order to try and embarrass this country.
Elian was never returned to his father, and most of us knew at the time that he wouldn't be.
If you wish to further defend a murderous commie dictator like Fidel Castro, do it somewhere else, as I have family members who were killed fighting against the scourge that is communism, and I don't appreciate you coming in here and acting as a useful idiot on the commie's behalf.
And one more thing-George W. Bush never said we were going into Iraq because of WMDs. That was a liberal lie, one that you apparently fell for right quickly.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Don't much care what you
November 21, 2008 - 17:36 ET by Acts 2_38Don't much care what you "like" or "dislike" pal. And you don't decide or influence where I go or what I say upon arriving. I wasn't defending Castro. I was defending the right of a father to have his son returned to him once the mother was dead. I was objecting to the legions of know it alls who really act no better than liberals when the chips are down. Kind of fascistic to think you know what's better for a kid, than his own father, isn't is? Well, it is even if you can't see it. I couldn't give a bowl of pig farts where Elian Gonzalez grows up. People living in Cuba are like people living most other places. Or are you laboring under the "White Man's Favorite Delusion"? This is NOT racial slur this is a reference to the oft cited "White Man's Burden" which falsely allowed it's adherent's to believe that they were the worlds "only hope". Is this where you're at in all of this? Sad is all I can say. Most Cubans would REJECT an opportunity to come here if it were GIVEN to them! Ask a Cuban that has fled sometimes and he'll tell you that he was in the extreme minority in wanting to leave. That's how I know. I ask the people involved, I don't go off my White Man's Burden inspired fantasies to ruin the lives of others. If your ex-wife got it in her mind that France was a better place to live and she took your kid there, and got herself killed in the process, I daresay you'd take a different view of the French liberal Homos who gave your kid to a gay couple to raise and said you shouldn't have any contact with him. I think that if YOUR kid were going to be raised by STRANGERS (including never before seen "family"), you'd take a different view. Easy to carp when it ain't your ox being gored.
Small minds, think small thing.
Elian Gonzalez was placed
November 21, 2008 - 22:55 ET by TailgunnerElian Gonzalez was placed in the legal custody of his Miami relatives by US immigration authorities. Elian's 'father', being a Cuban national, had no legal standing to challenge that order.
Neither did Clinton. It wasn't until Castro began demanding Elian's return that Clinton got involved. What resulted was nothing more than a misuse of raw power that shocked even liberals like Alan Dershowitz and Laurence Tribe.
Clinton, who already had suffered through Fidel's last trick on the US when he emptied Cuban asylums and prisons and sent them to the US, and Carter had forced Clinton to house some of them in Arkansas, knew what Castro was capable of and folded to his demands like a house of cards.
BTW, a report in the Washington Post said that Elian's 'father', Juan-Miguel's parents were being held in a goverment location while he was in Miami, obviously to prevent his defection also.
Cuban refugees qualify for instant asylum upon reaching US soil. Elian's forcible return to an island prison by Clinton was the ultimate in child abuse.
Anyone who is not afraid of what an Obama socialist tyranny is capable of needs to search the internet for video of the night federal agents launched a warrantless terror raid on Elian's guardians.
While cameramen were beaten and bystanders were pepper-sprayed en masse, profanity-screaming armed thugs tore Elian from his legal guardians and took him to a military base that was locked down so tightly that US Congressmen were not allowed entry. (Of course Cuban intelligence agents were allowed to pass freely.)
We breathed a sigh of relief when the thrice-damned Janet Reno left office with the Clinton Administration.
Now here it comes again.
NOLI PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
I almost missed this last
November 21, 2008 - 17:56 ET by Acts 2_38I almost missed this last parting shot of insanity from you.
"George W. Bush never said we were going into Iraq because of WMDs. That was a liberal lie, one that you apparently fell for right quickly."
ARE YOU INSANE? WERE YOU DROPPED ON YOUR HEAD AS A CHILD??? Man "De-Nile" ain't just a river in Africa it's a MONSOON runnin' through your BRAIN!!!!!
Here, my historically challenged friend, is an excerpt from a Bush speech urging the U.N to let him take Saddam out. It's on the friggin' white house website dude. I can't believe that you wrote that! No WMD'S??? Man, you're like and Obama supporter, just crazier. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020912-1.html
From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons. After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.
And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.
Today, Iraq continues to withhold important information about its nuclear program -- weapons design, procurement logs, experiment data, an accounting of nuclear materials and documentation of foreign assistance. Iraq employs capable nuclear scientists and technicians. It retains physical infrastructure needed to build a nuclear weapon. Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year. And Iraq's state-controlled media has reported numerous meetings between Saddam Hussein and his nuclear scientists, leaving little doubt about his continued appetite for these weapons.
Iraq also possesses a force of Scud-type missiles with ranges beyond the 150 kilometers permitted by the U.N. Work at testing and production facilities shows that Iraq is building more long-range missiles that it can inflict mass death throughout the region.
In 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, the world imposed economic sanctions on Iraq. Those sanctions were maintained after the war to compel the regime's compliance with Security Council resolutions. In time, Iraq was allowed to use oil revenues to buy food. Saddam Hussein has subverted this program, working around the sanctions to buy missile technology and military materials. He blames the suffering of Iraq's people on the United Nations, even as he uses his oil wealth to build lavish palaces for himself, and to buy arms for his country. By refusing to comply with his own agreements, he bears full guilt for the hunger and misery of innocent Iraqi citizens.
In 1991, Iraq promised U.N. inspectors immediate and unrestricted access to verify Iraq's commitment to rid itself of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles. Iraq broke this promise, spending seven years deceiving, evading, and harassing U.N. inspectors before ceasing cooperation entirely. Just months after the 1991 cease-fire, the Security Council twice renewed its demand that the Iraqi regime cooperate fully with inspectors, condemning Iraq's serious violations of its obligations. The Security Council again renewed that demand in 1994, and twice more in 1996, deploring Iraq's clear violations of its obligations. The Security Council renewed its demand three more times in 1997, citing flagrant violations; and three more times in 1998, calling Iraq's behavior totally unacceptable. And in 1999, the demand was renewed yet again.
As we meet today, it's been almost four years since the last U.N. inspectors set foot in Iraq, four years for the Iraqi regime to plan, and to build, and to test behind the cloak of secrecy.
We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left? The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take.
Delegates to the General Assembly, we have been more than patient. We've tried sanctions. We've tried the carrot of oil for food, and the stick of coalition military strikes. But Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction. The first time we may be completely certain he has a -- nuclear weapons is when, God forbids, he uses one. We owe it to all our citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from coming.
Sorry, there was WMD capability in Iraq, and WMDs too
November 21, 2008 - 23:38 ET by Tom BlumerIBDeditorials.com, July 2008 --
BizzyBlog.com, April 2007 -- "Well, Isn’t This Special? Munitions Found Last Year Were Officially WMDs"
BizzyBlog.com, November 2005 -- "The 'No WMD' Lie (with LINKED Proof)"
History will get it right, even if you can't or won't.
acts 2_38, I stand by my original comment.
December 2, 2008 - 00:57 ET by R D HelmGeorge W. Bush never once said that the reason we were going into Iraq was due to WMDs.
Do the comment search if you must, as many have, but that statement just isn't there.
Sorry.
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
So right RD, what he said
December 2, 2008 - 01:06 ET by MightyMouthSo right RD, what he said was:
"States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger".
And all of Congress applauded, even the turncoats and liars of today.
Was he wrong?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, thank God the Iraelis took out Iraq's nuke program...
December 2, 2008 - 01:33 ET by R D Helm...when it really counted...I just hope they are willing to do it again to the Iranians, as, sadly, I am not sure we are up to the task.
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Oh, come on, Dave, you're
November 21, 2008 - 08:34 ET by motherbeltOh, come on, Dave, you're just practicing the "old politics that the American people are tired of."
We're ready for a "new" way.....oh, right! That was just for the campaign.
Barack Obama will keep all the promises that he intends to keep (mangled from a Steffie quote about Bill Clinton)
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Did I just read CHANGE?
November 21, 2008 - 11:13 ET by SRPwrdDid I just read CHANGE?
Hannity had a great segment
November 21, 2008 - 00:37 ET by bigtimerHannity had a great segment on all of the involvement with Holder and terrorist pardons ect...on H&C tonight.
Isn't going to matter one wit....he is in, there is no stopping him in congress...it is a done deal..
I was past furious with all of this back then, especially Elian that tugged at my heart, plus what is happening to this county by gestapo force.
People be aware, be wary...as most of us here are already.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
We can thank Eric Holder
November 21, 2008 - 00:44 ET by Clear thinkerWe can thank Eric Holder for this too... Gun Sales Will Skyrocket Again
Not a joke.
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Appalled; angry, upset,
November 21, 2008 - 03:33 ET by jdhawkAppalled; angry, upset, etc.?
So what?
Blubber on NB and NBers, who cares that you or anybody is upset with whatever bambi-elect (57states) does? You can do exactly zip, nada, zilch, about it or anything else he does now or when he gets in office..
President Bush is mum
Republicans in the House and Senate are mum and those that will be left will not only be in the minority but will not even have filabuster ability. And, frankly, they have been dimocrat lite for most of the last eight years anyway.
Our "press" is mum - heck who I am kidding - they made this guy - they will not let him fail no matter what.
And little ol' NB doesn't matter.
So
November 21, 2008 - 09:53 ET by ahusserI guess we should just go and watch some TV. So if you feel that way why bothering even to give us your two cents of wisdom. Been some strange responses on this blog. My two cents.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
Do you think yammering on
November 21, 2008 - 13:42 ET by jdhawkDo you think yammering on and on about this and so many things to come is going to do one whit of good? We had our chance at the ballot box a few weeks ago, we blew it. Now, we all have to live with the consequences.
Meanwhile, a blog like this one is great for what it is - a place to commiserate about those so and so dimocrats and their and I do mean their media.
However, it is time to evolve. This isn't working. We need to publish our own news with conservative views expressed. We need to create news about our conservatives, what they are doing and how they differ from liberals and why in our own words.
In other words, stop keying off what the liberal press is handing us and reacting to them. Start creating our own "brand" of news, if you will, that will be a complete counter to theirs.
Hope
November 21, 2008 - 08:27 ET by Red JeepI hope someday Elian Gonzalez flees Cuba, returning here, and denounces the Democrats that returned him to Castro’s hell that his mother died in her attempt to get him away from, and applies for citizenship.
Our New Gument
November 21, 2008 - 10:02 ET by ahusserWould like to turn the US into Cuba. When and if he returns he may not notice the difference.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
Acts, Wow, do all
November 21, 2008 - 09:02 ET by DSVANActs,
Wow, do all Liberals like yourself have the ability to know what all the people of a country believe? What super powers allow you to know that not a single person in Iraq wanted to be free? Guess what I am thinking now.
To call me a liberal is to
November 21, 2008 - 17:24 ET by Acts 2_38To call me a liberal is to call into question your reading comprehension. Or do you naively believe that only liberals are against a war that was both unnecessary and carried on for far too long with far too little "return on the investment"? I guess it's typical of the political scene nowadays to demonize any points of view with which you disagree, so you're "par for the course". Well pally, it doesn't take a MIND reader to ascertain the level of opposition to a dictatorship. It takes intell. For years you've been hearing about the underground movements in Cuba, Venezuela and even IRAN, comprised of western educated students who are waiting for a mythical "green light" for the great revolution we're going to help them with, right?Ever hear of this in IRAQ, the answer is no. The reason is because there isn't one. Even in the regions that SADDAM DIDN'T CONTROL there was no significant urge for his ouster. This my friend is how I can state that most of them were happy with their lot in life, regardless to how YOU felt about their lives. For the intellectually challenged among you, which are plentiful, I'll break it down as if I was talking to dim children, okay? Let's say, I attacked my neighbors house because I believed he had a bomb that he was about to set off in my yard and if I didn't do something my family would be killed. Solid premise right? Please spare us the whining about the unequal nature of the metaphor, we all know that your house is not a country. But let's play along for a moment shall we? Having attacked said neighbors house in absolute defiance of the local POLICE STATIONS wishes, I now find that all of those, hustlers, snitches, pimps, whores and drug users, who provided the initial "intelligence" were LYING. Furthermore I find that they had pretty good reason to lie because the neighbor in question, was spreading lies about the "bombs" he allegedly had! With me, still? Upon going into the guys house and murdering him and his children who were pretty bad drug dealers and killers, I find no weapons and the guy was never really a threat to me. At this point do I stay and "rebuild"? Do I lie and say that his family really "wanted me to do this" they were just "afraid and couldn't speak out", none of which apparently has done anything to stifle my newly found MIND READING ABLITY!? Then, AFTER I have killed the guy and his family, I then blame his remaining family members for hating me and wanting me dead. As they fight back, I use my influence with the local press to "frame" their effort to get me out of their relatives' house as, TERRORISM.
This is how stupid it sounds when people support this shambles of a war. And to the ideologically challenged dim bulbs who are going to use words like "troll" and "liberal", sometimes you can get criticized from the RIGHT you know? William F Buckley ring a bell? Not all critique comes from the left. NO NATION BUILDING, used to be a CONSERVATIVE position as recently as 2000 because that's the platform that Bush ran on! Now, to be averse to it is to be "liberal"? It used to be a conservative position that we don't attack countries unless they pose a DIRECT THREAT to us, not a juxtaposed tangential, possible in some indistinct future, threat. Hey, I get it. Nobody likes to realize that they were WRONG. Just show a liberal a fetal imaging plate and you'll see what I mean! LOL. Nevertheless, this war was wrong, it's aftermath was WRONGLY conducted and it's continuing is equally as unfathomable. I like any fighter, want a "win" but at what cost? A billion a month,when our own country is going to hell in a handbasket?
Not liberal. Not a troll. Not one of the three blind mice either.
First you come in here
November 21, 2008 - 18:30 ET by R D HelmFirst you come in here defending the actions of Fidel Castro's dog-washers in the Clinton Administration. You even went so far as to say Castro wanted to see little Elian returned to his father. That is crap, as I doubt Elian has seen his father but maybe two times since he was returned to Cuba.
In case you have forgotten, Fidel Castro is a murdering commie thug who has imprisoned thousands of his own people over the years, er, those he didn't have killed, anyway. As far as I am concerned, what we just did in Iraq should have been done in Cuba five decades ago.
Then you repeat the LIE that we went into Iraq because of WMDs. George W. Bush NEVER SAID THAT. The removal of Saddam from power was a 100% UN authorized move.
It also shows that George W. Bush knows a hell of a lot more about Islam and its history than you do. Perhaps you haven't bothered to take any time out from your support for the world's thuggish dictators to notice, but this country has not been attacked by AQ since 09/11/2001.They hit us five times while Clinton was playing hide-the-cigar with a brainless intern.
Would it possibly be due to the fact that, unlike Clinton's do-less-than-nothing approach, George W. Bush's response might have dissuaded them from carrying out any more attacks on this country?
Could it also be that being a member of AQ, or any other Islamic terrorist organization, might just no-longer be a brilliant career move, given how many of them have been killed?
Maybe you would prefer to wait around for them to sneak a nuke in here and incinerate a major city? Would you be in favor of preempting them then, or wait for them to do it again, just to be sure?
Sometimes a preemptive move can be a good thing. Imagine how many innocent lives would have been saved had somebody gone after Hitler early on, instead of sitting around waiting until he had swallowed most of Europe, north Africa and a huge chunk of Russia?
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Please define the "return on investment" for WWII
November 21, 2008 - 22:05 ET by TheHistorianWhat exactly did we get out of WWII? We got a group of countries that look down their nose at us and left us with a staggering debt (in 1945) that was greater than the US GDP.
You prate about "return on investment" in Iraq, which is pretty good, because we have doubled the number of democracies in that part of the world. That is worth a lot to me.
The local "police station" had said that the neighbors should stop what they were doing, but were too busy stuffing their faces at the donut shop of "oil for food" to go after the neighbor who was breaking the law. Further, Sadaam was allowing terrorists to train in Iraq; he begged for what he got, and thank God that George Bush was elected, otherwise Al Gore would be over there kissing keister in order to show his "sensitivity". BTW, the CIA dude, George Tenet, said that this was a "slam dunk" on WMD, Sadaam had used them on Kurds and on the Iranians (chemical weapons are WMD, BTW) he had 500 tons of yellow cake which has gone to Canada, but you delusional doofuses refuse to recognize anything that was done right.
I have a great idea. Why don't you guys go live in the Europe you love who were eyeball deep in the oil for food fraud, and leave the US to those of us who are willing to stand up for freedom, democracy, and anti-terrorism?
"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."
G. W. F. Hegel
The government fellow in
November 21, 2008 - 09:12 ET by AlgerHissThe government fellow in this infamous photo....the one with the firearm...I've always wondered who he is.
Where is he today? What is he doing today?
Anyone know?
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
Me too
November 21, 2008 - 09:30 ET by Red JeepI was wondering the same thing. There is an interesting interview for a "journalist". What were this man's emotions during the raid? Was he told there might be violence? Any thoughts today about what happened? Etc.
I want to know how he feels
November 21, 2008 - 09:34 ET by pbanks7I want to know how he feels about his role in that. Do his friends and family recognize him? Is he proud of it? Somehow I doubt it.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.
journalism
November 21, 2008 - 09:44 ET by AgnosticA story that answered those questions would be investigative, informing and interesting or in other words – good journalism. We don’t do that in this country any more.
Holder keeping Elian in the communist dream
November 21, 2008 - 09:25 ET by PopularTechHow could Holder deny Elian the communist dream?
Censored Global Warming Videos
Trigger Happy
November 21, 2008 - 10:01 ET by misterbee241It's a simple fact that the Reno Gang was trigger happy. Through Janet "The Waco Kid" Reno, Clinton sent a clear message that no one was safe from armed federal thugs, even a 6 year old boy. And that federale certainly had a sensitve look on his face as he shoved that assualt weapon into Elian's face. I suspect Eric "Have Gun Will Travel" Holder will be just as bad. Of course, this will be after Obumma disarms all of us.
In the last 8 years...
November 21, 2008 - 15:44 ET by JungusI would like the press to tell me about every time Bush or his administration pulled a Ruby-Ridge, Waco, or Elian like Scenario. They can't, and yet they allow howling idiots to tell us that Bush was the: Worst. President. Evar.
Invading a citizen's home without a warrent in front of a national TV audience? And people still love Clinton.
It is tough enough for Dems/Lefties/Libs
November 21, 2008 - 18:40 ET by ahusserto fight America's foreign enemies when 1) You are on their side and 2) You run away all the time.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
The ghosts of Clinton's past
November 21, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Mary Louise TurnerRemember during the campaign when "journalists" (I use that term very loosely) and Democrats alike whined about John McCain being another George W. Bush? Well, now that we have "The One" elected, we're not seeing any alleged "change". Instead, we are seeing old Clinton hacks returning to power. We weren't expecting "Bill Clinton III", were we?! I was expecting "Jimmy Carter II" - only with bigger ears.
And the ghosts of Bill Clinton's past are haunting Mr. Obama & Co. even before he is inaugurated. The Clintons were bad enough the first time around - we don't need a rerun.