In an attempt to salvage some degree of credibility for presidential candidate Barack Obama's assertions about military equipment shortages, Reuters reporter Andrew Gray went back to a long-discredited claim planted by a local Tennessee reporter, and resurrected a Donald Rumsfeld quote that was not relevant to his story topic.
First, Gray went to what Obama claimed, and how the Pentagon responded:
During the face-to-face encounter on Thursday evening, Obama said he had heard from an Army captain whose unit had served in Afghanistan without enough ammunition or vehicles.
Obama said it was easier for the troops to capture weapons from Taliban militants than it was "to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief," President George W. Bush.
"I find that account pretty hard to imagine," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓"Despite the stress that we readily acknowledge on the force, one of the things that we do is make sure that all of our units and service members that are going into harm's way are properly trained, equipped and with the leadership to be successful," he said.
Whitman's remarks were unusual as the Pentagon often declines to talk about comments from political campaigns.
Rough translation of the way-too-polite Pentagonese: Baloney claims like this are rarely raised by politicians, but this one was so out there we had to debunk it.
Gray then attempted to portray Obama's claim as part of a longstanding pattern:
Military equipment shortages have been a big U.S. political issue, particularly in the early years of the Iraq war.
A U.S. soldier confronted then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld over the topic in Kuwait in 2004, complaining that troops were forced to dig up scrap metal to protect their vehicles because the military did not have enough armor.
Rumsfeld famously replied that "you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time" -- a remark that drew widespread criticism.
Gray conveniently "forgot" to inform readers that the soldier who "confronted" Rumsfeld was a National Guardsman coached by Chattanooga Times Free Press reporter Edward Lee Pitts, who later bragged about what he did in an e-mail.
The truth, of course, is more complicated than Gray's last few paragraphs would lead you to believe, and casts the military's attention to readiness in a more favorable light, as this December 2004 post at 2Slick's Forum indicates (bold is mine; italics is 2Slick's):
The only thing unusual about this particular "town hall meeting" was the fact that the press was invited. My coworkers and I wondered aloud about the wisdom of this decision, and I still can't really see the logic there. The only thing I can think of is that the SECDEF intended to show that he has nothing to hide- sort of like a "full public disclosure" kind of thing. The problem with this is obvious. When the cameras are rolling and a soldier stands up and asks why the military isn't doing anything to properly equip him for war, guess what happens? That's right- the media machine immediately establishes a new "truth"- in this case it's that the military is not equipping the force. Absolutely no effort is made to fact-check the soldier- his word is taken as pure gospel.
..... What SPC Wilson might not be aware of (at his level)- is that all vehicles that drive north into Iraq are required to have "level 3" armor protection. If a vehicle does not meet this standard, it will not be driven up north- it will be carried on a flatbed truck. Once in Iraq, armored vehicles are used for driving off post, and unarmored vehicles are used for driving around on post. This policy is put out to each unit's commanders well before the unit even arrives to Kuwait.
2Slick also mentioned that there was a significant ramp-up in production of needed vehicles in progress at the time. It turns out that additional vehicles were not produced as quickly as desired during the next few years. But the idea that soldiers weren't, and aren't, being provided the best of what was, and is, available is absurd -- as is Grey's reference back to the December 2004 incident, and Rumsfeld's "famous reply," as some kind of evidence that Obama had a valid point earlier this week.
The Pentagon has as much as said that Obama doesn't know what he's talking about, and what Gray dredged up from 2004 doesn't change that.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters















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Another "fake but accurate"
February 22, 2008 - 18:00 ET by motherbeltAnother "fake but accurate" story from the MSM?
Well, OK, maybe not strictly "accurate".....
OK, fake then.
Obama said this captain's unit had served in Afghanistan, not was serving. So he could have been talking about a soldier complaining now, about a shortage that had occurred years ago.
The Old Military Hand
February 22, 2008 - 17:54 ET by EnDashEnDash
I cannot imagine how Obama so suddenly became an expert on military vehicles and ordnance -- except thru the information that must have been provided by his rather motley crew of advisers.
So, making up phony issues
February 22, 2008 - 17:54 ET by Chris NormanSo, making up phony issues is part of the "change" in politics of which Obama speaks?
You mean like the phony
February 22, 2008 - 18:27 ET by goldbarYou mean like the phony Homeland Security alerts that Tom Ridge put out?
and what makes you believe they were phony goldbar?
February 22, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Dee BunkIs it your belief that the terrorists don't want to hurt us and would never plan another attack?
Dee, don't you just love the
February 22, 2008 - 18:44 ET by motherbeltDee, don't you just love the "drive-by" postings by folks that toss their little grenades and then disappear a minute later?
mb... gb's got it down to
February 22, 2008 - 18:49 ET by bigtimermb...
gb's got it down to an art most times...lol.
MB - these liberals are such silly sheep
February 22, 2008 - 18:57 ET by Dee BunkWho believe in things that would take such a huge conspiracy
I suppose they think the justice department made those terrorist videos that threatened us. They just got together some actors and film crew (so easy to find Repbulican ones right?) and impersonated the terrorists so as to scare everyone.
I'm still trying to figure
February 22, 2008 - 19:45 ET by Chris NormanI'm still trying to figure out what one has to do with the other. His comeback was so weak, I don't know why he bothered typing it. Although, at the time, I'm sure he thought he was the clever one.
It's one of the
February 22, 2008 - 19:57 ET by robert108It's one of the Clinton/Lewinsky excuses: "Everybody does it."
Yeah, but my point was Obama
February 22, 2008 - 20:24 ET by Chris NormanYeah, but my point was Obama claims he is the one changing "politics as usual". His politics sound pretty usual to me - standard liberal Democrat boilerplate.
Of course they don't want
February 22, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Seabeach4348Of course they don't want to hurt us!
All we have to do is to let the jihadists know that we mean them no harm, allow them free access to anything they want, sing "We are the World", and elect O-Bomb-A as president!
Don't you just feel safer already with the prospect of a clueless socialist as Commader in Chief?
Yeah - the terrorists don't want to hurt anyone.
February 22, 2008 - 19:00 ET by Dee BunkIt's all an illusion by the real enemy - the Republicans. They are really a bunch of delusional people.
Sb... Excellent. Yep, I
February 22, 2008 - 19:03 ET by bigtimerSb...
Excellent.
Yep, I feel warm and safe all over with the thought of O-Bomb-A (I love that) as Commander in Chief.
Go ahead and live your life
February 22, 2008 - 19:04 ET by goldbarGo ahead and live your life in a bubble of fear, because that's what your government has trained you to do. I've been in countries occupied by military and gone through checkpoints and have seen armed forces patroling the streets and bombs still blow up and people die. I've had seven years of fear under Bush and am ready to try something else.
Fine.... take off your
February 22, 2008 - 19:09 ET by BDFine.... take off your kevlar and vest and just wander around the streets of Haiti, Liberia, Rwanda, et al and see how long you last.
In fact, Why don't you put on a ROLEX and walk about Mexico City. Please purchase an insurance policy to pay your ransom up front.
By the way, my government has taught me to SURVIVE in such climates. Those who are not armed and trained to survive in them don't.
Fine.... take off your
February 22, 2008 - 19:36 ET by goldbarFine.... take off your kevlar and vest and just wander around the streets of Haiti, Liberia, Rwanda, et al and see how long you last.
Why? I'm talking about the lines at the airport.
Other danger spots
February 22, 2008 - 19:42 ET by ThisnThatOr, Goldbar could wander around the streets of Wash, DC; East St Louis; the Bronx; downtown Detroit; Harlem; New Orleans....
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I think NB readers should
February 23, 2008 - 13:58 ET by IamTinmanBuy Goldbar a Rolex, air fare to Mexico, and a hefty insurance policy with us as beneficiaries. Might as well make a buck off his stupidity and clean up the gene pool at the same time. A twofer!!!
gb... I've had seven
February 22, 2008 - 19:10 ET by bigtimergb...
I've had seven years of fear under Bush and am ready to try something else.
If we're lucky it will be Canada.
Canada's beauty, eh? Good
February 22, 2008 - 19:34 ET by goldbarCanada's beauty, eh? Good brew and back bacon too!
Well now gb...don't let the
February 22, 2008 - 19:41 ET by bigtimerWell now gb...don't let the door hit ya' if you get my drift... :-)
If you can't prove it, don't state it. . .
February 22, 2008 - 19:19 ET by tracheostomyGB: I've been in countries occupied by military and gone through checkpoints and have seen armed forces patroling the streets and bombs still blow up and people die. <----> I've had seven years of fear under Bush and am ready to try something else.
Passport please.
Your excessive and absurd rhetorical comparisons have no effect on the others here, so you might want to try something else.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Your Government
February 22, 2008 - 19:36 ET by Jerry MackSince you used the term "your government" instead of "our government" leads to the high probability that you were being checked by the U.S. military at check points.
It wasn't the U.S. military
February 22, 2008 - 19:43 ET by goldbarIt wasn't the U.S. military my friend, though I wish it was. If you want some excitement in your life, do travel through a muslim controlled area with no weapon or kevlar vest, your only protection being keeping your hat pulled low and a big pair of shades and a native who knows how to bribe the locals.
Such a man of mystery and intrigue!
February 22, 2008 - 19:47 ET by tracheostomyGB: It wasn't the U.S. military my friend, though I wish it was.
Then how can you make such comparisons to living in "seven years of fear under Bush" as you say?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I've traveled around the
February 22, 2008 - 20:09 ET by goldbarI've traveled around the world a bit and have experienced how other populations live when you have your country under military control. I admit, it's novel at first, but it gets scary very quickly.
If you think every soldier supports George Bush, you don't know much about the military. I hold our military in high esteem and I think they've been run ragged under this president. I support the USO and have delivered toys, coffee and sandwiches to families waiting for fathers and mothers to get off the plane. If you haven't done it, it's a real Kleenex experience.
:applause: Very evasive
February 22, 2008 - 20:17 ET by tracheostomy:applause:
Very evasive GB. Nice try at fishing me into a tangent as well.
I want to know what you meant with the "fear under Bush" comparison. See my previous post and don't dance around it.
Here's your soapbox. Let 'er rip.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Thanks for the
February 22, 2008 - 20:23 ET by goldbarThanks for the applause.
You may want to read this:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30312
Oh that article was rich
February 22, 2008 - 20:32 ET by bigtimerOh that article was rich gb.
Did you understand any of it?
The names of those complaining were who... besides the so-called sources or one so called terrorism expert who gave his name, did you read the entire article all the way down?
Oh troll on, from your comment quite a ways above you said you had seen bombings and people killed, later you said you were talking about standing in line at airports...
You change your story to suit you and your job here....
You are a something else, troll along....
The main source is
February 22, 2008 - 20:42 ET by tracheostomyThe main source is www.capitolhillblue.com, which should explain most of it. Another case of a journalist living off of another.
Looks pretty vague and confusing to me GB. What exactly are you pointing at again?
"I imagine the finger pointing has started at the White House,"
Imagination is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Especially when it comes from "sources" that are rarely named without any specific accusations; only innuendo that folks like GB can turn into unvarnished fact.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
This Is NOT Proof
February 22, 2008 - 20:45 ET by stratmanFive year old unsubstantiated allegation using the ever elusive "anonymous" source.
If you want to be taken seriously then offer substance instead of innuendo.
RRAM Tough!
gb, wear a BURKA,
February 22, 2008 - 19:59 ET by upcountrywaterIranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!
Who's scared? I'm not with Bush in charge - I can't help that
February 22, 2008 - 20:07 ET by Dee Bunkyou are.
We don't have checkpoints here - yet. If Obama takes over it may get to that point. Right now Bush has been able to keep us safe without turning the U.S. into a police state.
I suppose if President Obama has information that terrorist are planning to attack he should just keep it to himself. Hear no see no speak no evil. La la la la la la la
It appears you're the one
February 22, 2008 - 20:15 ET by Jack BauerIt appears you're the one living in a "bubble of fear," like a scaredy cat.
You must be one of those sensitive metrosexuals we read about. Quiche eater?
Relax, buy a Glock, chill... the "government" can't even operate a checkpoint between the US and Mexico.
Heehehehe... That is
February 22, 2008 - 20:22 ET by bigtimerHeehehehe...
That is excellent Jack Bauer...excellent.
Later--- I'm off to eat
February 22, 2008 - 20:30 ET by goldbarLater---
I'm off to eat some quiche, sip a latte and then hit the range.
Ranges
February 22, 2008 - 20:50 ET by ThisnThatI like ranges myself. Fired off several shotgun shells and 500 rounds of .45 ammo last time. Good shooting!
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I thought all the North
February 22, 2008 - 20:59 ET by tracheostomyI thought all the North American free-range liberals had long since become domesticated. Marlin Perkins should tranquilize him and take him to a special reserve.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
PJ
February 23, 2008 - 15:43 ET by botgthe dangerous jobs are always done by Jim while Marlin watches.
No Poofdas
goldbar= mobius
February 22, 2008 - 20:58 ET by upcountrywaterOne sided, one edged lefty squshy stories, what are you doing here?
Get rude LEADBAR get banned, hurry.
"We need a better class of troll here" h/t Blonde
Iranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!
Jack
February 22, 2008 - 21:35 ET by well99"Quiche eater?"
What is wrong with Quiche?As far as living in fear that is silly.Being prepared isnt wrong though.There are Terrorist out there and you do have to keep them on their heels.You have to be on the offensive against them.Singing we our the world wont protect you.
"Relax, buy a Glock, chill... the "government" can't even operate a checkpoint between the US and Mexico."
Aint that the truth.What kicks me in the butt is I was on East German and Czech border yet we cant have troops guard ours.
well -- I have it on good
February 23, 2008 - 14:08 ET by Jack Bauerwell -- I have it on good authority that real men don't eat quiche! Or tofu.
Jack
February 23, 2008 - 15:30 ET by well99Well as far as tofu..that could be true but quiche it rocks.Just make sure you add lots of jalepenos and hamburger.It is good with cavaso also.
well -- only
February 23, 2008 - 15:36 ET by Jack Bauerwell -- only kidding!!
Sounds like I have been misinformed and mis-quiched!
lol Jack
February 23, 2008 - 16:18 ET by well99I figured that but had to stand up for quiche.Have to be careful though dont want to start another brewhaha going like happened with white meat/dark meat on chicken.Sometimes I wing it and try to keep abreast of things such as it may be.First cup of coffee ..what can I say.Good video.Socks can count on my support.You and Shy did a very profession job on that.I like the hillary one too.
Gawd, yea. Who was that
February 22, 2008 - 21:35 ET by motherbeltGawd, yea. Who was that rapper or hip-hopper that said the terrorists were just regular and we should try to be friends with them, they just wanted to hang with us?
I remember that posting here, because I commented that the operative word was "hang"....
delete double
February 22, 2008 - 17:58 ET by motherbeltdelete double
he is pretending to support the military
February 22, 2008 - 18:08 ET by szampHe is pretending to support the military to non-military people. He is also assuming that we are all really stupid to believe him.
I wonder what people that are serving now think about these stories.
The msm will always look
February 22, 2008 - 18:09 ET by bigtimerThe msm will always look the other way regarding Obama and outright BS from his mouth, they will spin it for him no matter what.
I heard somewhere the other day he is thinking of picking some Gen. to run with him...can't remember his name at the moment, but it would figure now wouldn't it?
Well, bt, he will have to
February 22, 2008 - 18:14 ET by motherbeltWell, bt, he will have to find a General who would be willing to call for pulling all the troops out of Iraq..to give his already-made decision "gravitas."
Yeah, that'll do it!
Wesley Clark is ready and he'll say anything
February 22, 2008 - 19:23 ET by Dee BunkWesley Clark is ready and he'll say anything
Boy Dee...you got that
February 22, 2008 - 19:32 ET by bigtimerBoy Dee...you got that right.
Btw..It wasn't him either, I'll know it when I hear it if you know what I mean...lol. (seems it started with a T)
bt, was it General
February 22, 2008 - 20:56 ET by motherbeltbt, was it General Zinni?
Given his criticism of the Iraq war, he and Obama seem to be kindred spirits...
Well, Clark will not be asked to say much, perhaps..
February 22, 2008 - 19:35 ET by Gary HallWell, Clark will not be asked to say much. However, for once, I would just love to see a reporter (ha) ask him to "say" something publicly about why he was fired by Clinton from his position as Supreme Commander of NATO forces at the end of the Kosovo war?
Gary... I too waited
February 22, 2008 - 19:43 ET by bigtimerGary...
I too waited patiently for some great reporter to ask him the exact same thing when he was running for Pres.
Hi-Tech Taliban hardware???
February 22, 2008 - 18:20 ET by upcountrywaterSoviet RPG's, Jets ,IED'S maybe AK-47's I'm all ears Obamby..
Ohh Taliban gear... ROCKS ..JUST ROCKS.
Iranian uranium; Iranian ICBM's; Iranian satellites..CHANGE is comming BELIEVE in that!
Obama said it was easier
February 22, 2008 - 18:24 ET by motherbeltObama said it was easier for the troops to capture weapons from Taliban
militants than it was "to get properly equipped by our current
commander in chief," President George W. Bush.
Excuse me, Sen. Obama, when did it become the responsibility of the President to order supplies to equip the troops?
Or are you insinuating that he told the Defense Department: Just send them whatever you have lying around; they don't need anything too fancy. ??
Why Obama will lose
February 22, 2008 - 19:32 ET by ThisnThatStatements like that against President Bush are so blatently false. If Obama thinks that those comments are going to influence anyone other than his far-left cronies, he's going to lose in a landslide against McCain.
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At the risk of Sounding like John Kerry,
February 23, 2008 - 14:26 ET by IamTinman"When I was in Vietnam" , GIs were always scrounging Russian and Chinese made AK47s because they were better weapons than the M-16 which tended to jam when it got dirty. The AK47s were much more basic and didn't. So US troops having the "latest" weapon wasn't such a good thing.
Two tours in Iraq
February 22, 2008 - 18:25 ET by jay_1975During two tours in Iraq I never once saw a Soldier needing to take weapons from the enemy because they didn't have one. I will admit that getting the proper armor at the begining of the war was slow, but that is not the military's fault. The people that sign the checks (Congress) are to blame for that SNAFU, not the CinC. Now thanks to programs like the Rapid Fielding Intiative (RFI), troops have more than adeqaute equipment well before they get on the bird for Kuwait. And one other point, Obama said that he knew a Captain in charge of a platoon that was short on people because some were sent to Iraq while the rest went to Afghanistan. Captains are in command of companies, not platoons, Lieutenants are in command of platoons. Second point on that is that platoons are not broke up like that. Either the whole company deploys together, or in rare circumstances, depending on their military occupation, a "slice" element, usually a whole squad, will deploy together. Someone who has no clue as to how the military is structured sure does not seem like the best choice to be the Commander in Chief.
jay... thank you for your
February 22, 2008 - 18:43 ET by bigtimerjay...
thank you for your information here for those of us who do not know how everything works militarily...most of all thank you and all those who have and are serving.
My gratitude is sent.
I also pray that empty-suited leftist does not get anywhere near the office of President.
The only example of US
February 22, 2008 - 18:54 ET by BDThe only example of US forces using captured equipment lately that comes to mind was immediately after the End of major combat action in 2003 in Iraq when tank crews who usually were armed with M9 Baretta pistols in acordance with MTOE and doctrine took to carrying Ak-47s as well for additional firepower.
It was a case of soldiers improvising. It was also in Iraq, not Afghanistan. But then again, most politicans cant seem to tell the difference anyway....
Civil Affairs
February 22, 2008 - 20:32 ET by jay_1975Civil Affairs was doing the same thing for the same reasons.
I find it amazing that
February 22, 2008 - 19:22 ET by HypocriteHaterI find it amazing that Obama wants to be Commander in Chief, but he obviously doesn't do his homework regarding how the military works.
CIC?
February 22, 2008 - 19:47 ET by ThisnThatI don't think Obama wants to be CIC. Instead, I think he wants to focus exclusively on our social institutions; moral values; economic standards; education; etc. He, like Hillary, wants to tear these apart and re-make them to suit his Socialism policies.
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Obama has plans for the military
February 22, 2008 - 19:59 ET by Mica the MagnificentObama doesn't care how the military works.
When he's president, the military will have a PC name change ( U.S. Caring Squad?) and used solely to deliver free groceries to dictators throughout the world. How else will the world love us again?
Obama said it was easier
February 22, 2008 - 18:41 ET by BDObama said it was easier for the troops to capture weapons from Taliban militants than it was "to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief," President George W. Bush.
"I find that account pretty hard to imagine," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters.
Totally concur with Mr Whitman. The last time I deployed (late 2004) I had to carry FOUR duffle bags away from the Central issue facility (CIF) at Fort Bliss Texas on my way to my flight across the pond to the big sandbox.
Afraid of being labled as not supporting the troops, we had to make multiple trips to the bus carrying such odds and ends of dubious value as:
In fact, 2 of the duffle bags were filled with stuff I knew I would not need and would just be a burden and were left back in the states.
Short answer, no one that deployed with us to either Afghnistan nor Iraq went un-armed, nor with too little gear.
Hi BD... I just wanted to
February 22, 2008 - 18:46 ET by bigtimerHi BD...
I just wanted to share the same sentiments with you as I posted above to jay.
Thank you.
How?
February 22, 2008 - 19:49 ET by ThisnThatObama said it was easier for the troops to capture weapons from Taliban militants than it was "to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief," President George W. Bush.
So, exactly how did our troops capture these weapons? Walking up to the Taliban and saying boo?
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No, TnT, they walk up and
February 22, 2008 - 22:52 ET by motherbeltNo, TnT, they walk up and say "Excuse me, may I have your rifle? My government won't give me one," and the guy says "Sure, why not? I'd rather use my machete anyway....."
BD
February 22, 2008 - 21:41 ET by well99What no smoked oysters and bottles of tobasco?Isnt poggie bait part of your A bag?
Stupid is stupidly informed
February 22, 2008 - 21:52 ET by needleThere is another simple way to explain the stupid things that Obama says: He gets his information form the MSM.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Obama v McCain
February 23, 2008 - 01:09 ET by okiehawk44I'm waiting for the debates on military issues between these two. Obama will have to fall back on hope and then change and then back to hoping for change and then a fast flip to changing hope etc. -- I'm not so sure it's going to be easy for McCain to make any points with the 1/2 + of the American electorate who seem content to follow this Jim Jones figure.
Obama's "Time for a Change"
February 23, 2008 - 04:58 ET by marvlObama's "Time for a Change" theme is the oldest cliche in politics. The man has zero substance and even less experience. I just don't understand all this fawning over him.
Does he know where Afghanistan is? Does he know who the Taliban are? Does he know what an army is?
We should change the requirements for being president to include prior military service. Indeed, prior military service should be a requirement for voting, like Robert Heinlein envisioned.
Obama said it was easier for
February 23, 2008 - 06:30 ET by jdhawkObama said it was easier for the troops to capture weapons from Taliban militants than it was "to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief," President George W. Bush.
Obama is a stupid leftists. He knows nothing about how the military works and could care less. He was certain when he uttered the above that the drive bys would echo it as if it was gospel.
Meanwhile, the principle weapon of the enemy is the AK-47. It is without doubt a piece of crap. Beyond 50 meters, there is much doubt about hitting what you are aiming at. The reason why it is so popular throughout the world is that it is very cheap to make. It is manufactured from stamped parts as opposed to machined parts - a more expensive process requiring expensive tooling and skilled labor. There is just no comparison between it and the several variants used by our armed forces, the M-16 and the M-4 Carbine especially when fitted with the PAQ-4 Infrared Sight and/or the M68 CQB sight.
Also, for anyone that has been in combat or for that matter had shots fired around them they know that the AK-47 and the M-16 make distinctive sounds when fired. In conventional infantry units that do not jointly engage the enemy with host nation counterparts (who in both Iraq and Afghanistan also carry the AK-47), a good way to get killed by friendly fire is to fire an enemy's weapon while on your side of the "line." Instinctive reaction is what keeps soldiers alive. The instinct is to seek cover, and then fire in the direction of the enemy. This takes place in fractions of seconds, often without actually seeing, but reacting to the enemy fire by returning fire in the direction of the rapports. In other words, if you "sound" like the enemy you're going to be fired upon.
A movie that illustrates the above is the "Big Red One." It is about the fortunes of a single infantry squad during WWII. It makes the above point in film better than I can explain it in words.
What utterly complicates our combat fighting men's situation in Iraq and Afghanistan is that most often there are host nation counterparts, if not "mixed in", in close proximity to our troops and they carry the same weapon as the enemy - the AK-47. This slows reaction time while one sorts out who is firing - enemy or host nation counterpart. It is a wonder that more friendly fire casualties have not taken place.
Excellent example of a
February 23, 2008 - 15:25 ET by maggieqpublicExcellent example of a Reuters “reporter” rationalizing the inept comments of a leftist politician. Even the wealthy Obama campaign might run low on funds if it were responsible for paying the salaries of the MSMers who do its bidding.
BS Flag on Obama's Apocryphal Story
February 23, 2008 - 15:40 ET by BlondeI found this over at Blackfive, by one of my favorites there, Deebow.
He very clearly throws the BS Flag on B. Hussein's little lie the other day about equipment (or rather, the lack thereof).
An interesting read, to say the least.
I get the feeling that military members don't think too highly of Obama. Hmmm...go figure. How would you like to have an idiot like that have full control of your life? Not me.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Obama
February 23, 2008 - 19:49 ET by SnooperThis is mere proof that all the Leftinistra have is old news and bad old news at that. They have nothing new to offer and they have to bring old debunked news to pretend it is new news.
Such a sham this liar called Obama is.