About a week ago, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown suggested in a UK Telegraph column that allowing hospitals to harvest organs from dead patients without their prior consent or their families' post-mortem consent might be a good idea.
Mr. Brown's occasion for bringing up the topic was telling, and perhaps explains why Brown's proposal got very little coverage in the US:
This year will be the 60th anniversary of the National Health Service: a year to celebrate and thank all the staff who run our hospitals, clinics and GP practices; but also a year in which to renew the NHS for the 21st century, because I believe that only by renewal can we make the NHS even more relevant for future decades than it has been in the past.
..... we may need to do more to encourage more of us to donate (organs. In Britain we have 14.9 million people on the organ donor register - which is around 24 per cent of the population. In terms of actual donors (not just people willing to give, but those whose organs are actually used) we have a rate of about 13 donors per million in our population. This compares with about 22 per million in France, 25 per million in America and around 35 per million in Spain - the best in the world.
That is why I want to start a debate in this country about whether we should take steps to move towards a new system designed to enable far more of us to benefit from transplant surgery - one that better reflects survey findings that around 90 per cent of us are in favour of organ donation.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Sadly, only around a quarter of us have made specific advance arrangements by registering as potential organ donors. So about two-thirds of us - positive, but not registered as organ donors - are unable to help save the lives of others by organ donation when the circumstances arise.
A different consent system, more like the one used in Spain, could serve to increase donation levels significantly. Of course, any "opt-out" system would - in cases where the potential donor is not on the register - leave the final decision with the family: that is only right and proper.
Official denials to the contrary, the row stirred up by the Prime Minister's suggestion moved the government to publicize procedural changes at hospitals designed to increase organ donation -- without resorting to the "presumed consent" regime Mr. Brown proposed.
Those relatively mundane procedural changes got more coverage in the US press than Mr. Brown's "presumed consent" proposal.
A Google News search on "brown organs taken without consent" (search did not use quote marks) between January 11 and 15 found 52 articles. No more than a few are from US Old Media sources. One of them, in USA Today, is entitled "UK leader hints at changing organ donor system" in Google News, but carries the title of "U.K. leader: Change organ donor process" at the actual article. The word "hint" does not appear in the article.
But the government's procedural changes were carried in an article called "British Seek to Boost Organ Donation" in at least these publications: SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle), US News, Michigan Live, Fox News, and many others. Though the AP article these publications carried did mention Brown's suggestion, it did so without noting the substantial protests that were raised against the idea.
No one seems to have explored the possibility that British reluctance to voluntarily donate organs compared to other countries might have something to do with fears that an organ-hungry NHS might allow lives to end prematurely so that usable organs might be placed with those who are more "deserving."
Also, no one wondered why citizens in the US are more likely to be willing donors. Could it be that it's because ours is stil a largely privately run system with a bit more compassion and higher ethical standards?
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters
















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January 20, 2008 - 14:11 ET by SeptemberThis is a hot topic whenever I meet it socially. My inclination is to not have anyone cut my body once I'm dead and so I'm undecided whether I'd want to be harvested for parts.
However, there are those who will not take that indecision--perhaps like the indecision of the British people--for an answer. Instead, the PC attitude is that you must do this, you must sign that organ donor card--how could you not?
I feel it. I feel the PC pressure-guilt and you know, I think that's why I remain undecided. I've had enough of the social guilt trips. Or perhaps I see myself as an ordinary human being and giving away my organs will not make me a hero or a better person now. I'm still foolish at times, make mistakes at times, and think too long and hard on things at times.
Mr. Brown should watch what he says. His attitude smacks of big brother. It feels like a plot which stands poised at the precipice of a dark scifi novel where people are murdered for their organs. Aren't there tales--are they true?--that this actually happens in some parts of the world?
Bottom line: It's my body; don't pressure me. I've spent all my life taking care of it and it's no one's business but my own what I want done with it after I'm dead.
No one seems to have explored the possibility that British reluctance
to voluntarily donate organs compared to other countries might have
something to do with fears that an organ-hungry NHS might allow lives
to end prematurely so that usable organs might be placed with those who
are more "deserving."
Yes, that could be so. This is a modern problem, this shortage of donors, brought into being by the ability of medicine to even perform these operations. I don't suppose there will ever be enough donations as more and more operations are added to the list of can-do's. But if a person or a person's family is not comfortable with the idea of donating, their decision should be respected.
"The PC attitude is that
January 21, 2008 - 13:31 ET by MikeB"The PC attitude is that you must do this, you must sign that organ donor card--how could you not?"
For me, that is easy. I won't accept anyone else's organs, and I'm not going to donate mine. I figure you plays the hand you're dealt. And, the fact that an organ recipient has to take immune suppressing drugs for the rest of his/her life so his/her body won't reject the transplanted organ should be a dead give-away: if you believe in Creation, it is against the Creator's intent to transplant organs, or if you believe in evolution, it is against nature.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
I hereby award the UK's new
January 20, 2008 - 14:12 ET by riff_raffI hereby award the UK's new Prime Minister his official nickname: Bodysnatcher Brown.
Organ donation is noble,
January 20, 2008 - 18:07 ET by EdhenryOrgan donation is noble, but NEVER give the state the Presumtion of control over the person. I saw the debate yesterday on Fox and they missed the point: We are a country of limited government which has specific, limited powers enumerated by the constitution/the people.
Change this and we perish. But the MSM is too stupid to understand this. And by stupid, I mean ignorant of what makes this country work.
I am depressed at the dearth of good information.
The first Bodysnatchers
January 20, 2008 - 20:58 ET by Jack BauerBurke & Hare were infamous 1820s bodysnatchers in Edinburgh, Scotland offerin cadavers for medical research.
They could pobably be classified as the first recorded serial killers with 17 recorded victims, predating Jack the Ripper by 60 years!
They started out with already dead bodies, but the trade was so lucrative they got the idea of killing their "corpses" themselves.
I only mention this because Brown is also from Edinburgh!
Wow, Tom, I was reading
January 20, 2008 - 19:21 ET by motherbeltWow, Tom, I was reading along and thinking that it sounded like a possibly good idea, a lot of people just don't get around to signing, etc., and the families don't know what to do.... and then I got to your speculation, and WHAM!
No one seems to have explored the possibility that British reluctance
to voluntarily donate organs compared to other countries might have
something to do with fears that an organ-hungry NHS might allow lives
to end prematurely so that usable organs might be placed with those who
are more "deserving."
Holy Cow! I never thought of it from that angle! One has to wonder if NHS doctors wouldn't start weighing the "quality of life" of a potential donor against the "good" that could be done for the potential recipient..... WAY too much conflict of interest there!
But it's amazing how reasonable it all sounds at first, isn't it?
I guess everyone isn't as perceptive as you are...or as cynical....maybe more should be.
The following is NOT a
January 20, 2008 - 21:25 ET by stratmanThe following is NOT a criticism of you, MB. Your post created an opening for my thoughts. That said...
Abortion is legal and financially assisted by the State. Euthanasia making inroads in the USA. Now, the PM of England wants fealty over your organs. What has happened to the country that gave the world the Magna Carta? Why does it seem like the State encourages or agrees to behaviours/policies that lead inextricably towards or hastens death of the individual?
I found nothing acceptable about the PM's remarks. Compulsory organ donation is a horrible, unethical, immoral, callous and unnecessary dictatorial response to deficiencies in needed transplantable organs.
The object of the Statist is to deliver the message in such a "feel good" fashion that even you, MB, could be lulled into a comfortable and accepting position before you are able to ascertain the mugging that has occurred.
Opposition should not require the addition of euthanasia to the equation for mandatory organ harvesting to be illuminated as the kindred spirit of Nazism of old and graverobbers of today (some foreign medical schools have had their anatomy class bodies/parts obtained from those that steal and hack up bodies for a profit). Then again, the PM's "idea" should not be too surprising/unacceptable to anyone desirous of socialized medicine, as forced organ harvesting is a natural extension of Statist medical control. (Again, I am NOT talking about you, MB!)
The souvereign nature of one's own body should always preclude the mandatory harvesting of organ's against one's wishes. Death should end the lifelong struggle of the self against the indifferences and appetites of government, albeit autopsy is still compulsory in a handfull of circumstances. (I'd also like to see the end of the Death Tax penalty - My Money, My Organs! I'll decide how I want them dispensed!)
I have listed myself as an organ donor on my driver's license. This does not guarantee donation. One should also tell it to your physician, declare it in your living will (advance health care directive) and let your loved ones' know so that little dispute occurs when the time comes.
Even though I am willing to donate my organs, I would never want a compulsory donation program established. Organ donation is an individual's right to decide, not the State. I would never support nor assist in any mandatory organ donation program where free will is ignored.
Strike that... I will donate my foot to the administrator's ass that tries to compel me to participate.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
The object of the Statist
January 21, 2008 - 00:23 ET by motherbeltThe object of the Statist is to deliver the message in such a "feel
good" fashion that even you, MB, could be lulled into a comfortable and
accepting position before you are able to ascertain the mugging that
has occurred.
Exactly, stratman. That was my point...isn't that how evil gains a foothold? It sounds so logical in the beginning, until you look a little closer at it.
We discussed something similar the other day, in the thread about abortion and crime...I commented that it's amazing what can be made to sound innocuous, when it's dressed up as "science."
Fox News has a series of
January 20, 2008 - 18:57 ET by jdhawkFox News has a series of gab fests presumably about the stock market on Saturday mornings. I DVR them so that I can rapidly by-pass the liberal political posturing that is rampant on these programs in hopes of ferreting out financial news and commentary.
But, I couldn't help but listen up when on the program Cashin' In, this past Saturday, a professor was interviewed on this very same subject. He proposed that the government make it law that American citizens' only choice in the matter would be opt OUT!.
That's right.
His proposal is that it would be the norm to harvest your body parts. Doctors and hospitals would only be prohibited from doing so if you specifically opted OUT.
The liberal mindset never ceases to amaze me in their predeliction to declare all for the state.
It's an outrage that when one is dead that you are paying taxes on your earnings for the third and fourth time in the form of death taxes, but now the state wants to own your body parts, too. In either case, the state will be swarming over you before you are even cold. Vultures!
jd, on every
January 20, 2008 - 19:25 ET by motherbeltjd, on every hospital-oriented show like ER, etc., at least once a season we are treated to an episode where a doctor wants the family's permission to harvest organs, and of course they have to ask before the patient is acually dead. Someone always claims the doctor is a "vulture."
How nice if the doctors didn't have to ask permission of the families, and could be spared that embarrassment, no?
<sarc off>
I guess then we would be treated to doctors dealing with "opt-out" situations; trying to get them to change their mind....
Yesterday I posted the
January 20, 2008 - 21:00 ET by nkviking75Yesterday I posted the following related item in the Open Thread:
With government healthcare being debated, especially by the Dems, here's a cautionary tale from Great Britain. A kidney patient there received a transplant, then had to have it removed hours later when someone discovered that the donated kidney was the wrong blood type. The patient was O-positive. The kidney came from an A-positive donor. The National Health Service computer had the wrong blood type, even though the correct blood type was clearly listed on hospital records.
This is a double tragedy. One patient has his (or her) hopes raised only to have them dashed, not to mention two surgeries in less than a day. And a healthy donated kidney was wasted instead of benefitting a patient with the right blood type. If the donor was a live donor, then that person is running around for the rest of his/her life with one kidney based on an error.
This could be our healthcare system in a few years if we're not careful.
With a system like that, why should the Brits have any confidence in it?
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
regrets
January 20, 2008 - 22:52 ET by SeptemberI have a friend who said if she'd known they were going to harvest her husband's thigh bones (amongst other parts), she wouldn't have allowed it. What a decision for your family to have to make unless you authorized it then I guess they'll just have to deal with it. Not all families are comfortable with these procedures.
I'll never forget the look on that friend's face or the face of another friend whose younger brother died suddenly. She did not want anything done to his body but she had no say in the matter (wife did). I guess the memories of those friends stick with you, their regrets, their helplessness in a stressful time. They tell me they felt pressured to comply. Not good. Not right.
I'll live with the not noble thing.
I was under the impression
January 21, 2008 - 08:17 ET by motherbeltI was under the impression that they have to ask specifically of the family member about bones, corneas, etc. in addition to the organs, giving them the option to say yes and no about different things, but I could be wrong; your bereaved friend was likely too upset at the time, which is certainly understandable. That's why it's so important for people to make their wishes known in advance. It's a terrible burden on the survivor to have to make those decisions.
You're not dead until they gut you
January 21, 2008 - 09:48 ET by GrannyGrump42There's an international organization of families who were distressed to learn only after they had consented to organ harvesting just how big a difference there is between "brain dead" and actually dead.
The dead don't move. The dead don't need to be strapped down so you can cut into them.
http://initiative-kao.de/KAO-Braindeath_is_not_death.htm
Organs for Organ Donors
January 23, 2008 - 15:40 ET by daveundisIf presumed consent was implemented in the United States, the supply of organs for transplant operations would increase significantly. According to polls, about 90% of Americans support organ donation but only about 50% have bothered to register. If everybody was automatically registered, few people would bother to un-register.
Presumed consent can only be implemented in the United States through legislative action — Congress would have to pass a law. The chances of this happening in the foreseeable future are somewhere between very slim and none, because there is wide-spread opposition to the idea of presumed consent.
Fortunately, there is an already-legal way to put a big dent in the organ shortage — allocate donated organs first to people who have agreed to donate their own organs when they die. The United Network for Organ Sharing, which manages the national transplant waiting list in the United States, has the power to make this common-sense policy change. No Congressional action is required.
In the absence of action by UNOS, anyone who wants to donate their organs to others who have agreed to donate theirs can join LifeSharers. LifeSharers is a non-profit network of organ donors who agree to offer their organs first to other organ donors when they die. Membership is free at http://www.lifesharers.org or by calling 1-888-ORGAN88. There is no age limit, parents can enroll their minor children, and no one is excluded due to any pre-existing medical condition.
Giving your organs first to organ donors will convince more people to register as organ donors. It will also make the organ allocation system fairer. People who aren’t willing to share the gift of life should go to the back of the waiting list as long as there is a shortage of organs.
House of Horrors Material
January 29, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Tom Blumer“Giving your organs first to organ donors will convince more people to register as organ donors. It will also make the organ allocation system fairer. People who aren’t willing to share the gift of life should go to the back of the waiting list as long as there is a shortage of organs.”
Because people who don’t want to be organ donors somehow don’t “deserve” to have their lives saved or returned to normal?
So now charity is redined as “I’ll give to you if you promise to give to someone else”?
That’s not charity; it’s a life-and-death chain letter.
If the person needing an organ is too old or for some other reason doesn’t have useful organs for others, does that mean they don’t get any replacements because they’re no longer “worthy,” regardless of their initial pledge?
Slippery, meet slope.
Wow.