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NY Times Hails Chris Hayes, 'Generation Y's Wonk Prince' of the Morning

By Tim Graham | June 24, 2012 | 08:40

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You really have to hand it to the publicists at MSNBC. Just as Politico’s Dylan Byers polished the pumps of midday anchor Alex Wagner, now Alex Williams at The New York Times is spraying the Armor All on Chris Hayes.

Get a load of this sentence: “In less than a year on television (and with a chirpy voice, a weakness for gesticulation and a tendency to drop honors-thesis words like ‘signifier’ into casual conversation), Mr. Hayes has established himself as Generation Y’s wonk prince of the morning political talk-show circuit.”

The story’s headline is “Chris Hayes Has Arrived With ‘Up.’” Williams began with the hip cred: that leftist punk musician joked to a crowd that they’d have to leave the club so they could rise early for Chris Hayes: “He was getting used to surging ratings and frequent mentions on The Huffington Post. But a shout-out from Ted Leo? He had arrived.”

We’re told “Like Deadheads or Trekkies, fans of the program cluster under a common nickname: Uppers.”

Just like in the Byers piece on Wagner, we’re told the Hayes show is a Twitter phenomenon. "Even so, the program’s feed  is not just an online clubhouse for New York media types like Lizz Winstead, a creator of “The Daily Show,” and members of Le Tigre, the too-cool electro-pop band. Cher and Chad Ochocinco have chimed in, too."

Just like that piece, MSNBC hands the willing reporter some shard of the ratings that are said to be significant, starting with the idea that the Hayes show is an improvement over MSNBC's previous ratings, which isn't exactly a compliment.

While MSNBC’s overall ratings dipped in May along with those of other news channels, Mr. Hayes’s program was one of the few to surge, rising about 15 percent in total viewers over MSNBC’s programming in the time slot from the previous year. Since Dec. 26, it has been No. 1 on average in its Sunday time slot on cable news channels among viewers ages 18 to 34, according to Nielsen figures provided by the network. Despite much of the country being in bed when it is on, “Up” has occasionally flirted with the ratings of prime-time programs like “The Rachel Maddow Show” (hosted by Mr. Hayes’s mentor) among those 18-to-34 viewers.

Just like the Byers piece on Wagner, the other MSNBC personnel are brought in to provide spit and polish:

Ms. Maddow said on her program that “Up” was “the best news show on TV, including this one.”

“Chris is the antidote to the anti-intellectual posing that has characterized the last decade in cable news,” she wrote in an e-mail. She added: “No one else in cable is even trying long-form, off-the-news-cycle dives like him — let alone succeeding at them as he is. He’s giving the network Sunday shows a run for their money.”

His influence goes beyond ratings. Rolling Stone listed him in a recent Hot issue. On Esquire’s Web site, Charles P. Pierce called him “the fastest rising star in your cable teevee firmament.”

To The New York Times, it's somehow remarkable that an MSNBC host would be praised by Rolling Stone and Charlie "I Live For Ted Kennedy" Pierce. The Times pretends that this show is somehow not a left-wing hootenanny, that it's great because it's not "Crossfire," which of course, made room for conservatives.

“Up” comes off as a rebuke to traditional cable shout-fests like CNN’s late “Crossfire.” Thanks to its early weekend time slot, the program has the freedom to unwind over two hours each Saturday and Sunday. Guests are encouraged to go deep into the issues of the week, and not try to score cheap-shot points to win the debate...

“The first and foremost important rule of the show: we’re not on television — no talking points, no sound bites,” [Hayes] said, his hair still a bed-head tangle and his suit collar askew. “We have a lot of time for actual conversation. So actually listen, actually respond.”

But next to the "wonk prince" lingo, the preciousness really unfolds as Hayes name-checks the Marxist philosopher Jurgen Habermas:

At a table of wonks, Mr. Hayes, who studied the philosophy of mathematics at Brown, came off as the wonkiest as he deconstructed the budgetary implications of tax arbitrage. Opinions were varied and passionate, but there was no sniping, no partisan grandstanding.

“I like the fact that it’s dialogic, small-d ‘democratic,’ ” Mr. Hayes said of his show. “We’re all sitting at the same table, we’re creating the public sphere in miniature. I was going to say, ‘We’re going to model Habermasian communicative action,’ but that’s excessively pretentious.”

This is a New York Times piece, so there is no rebuttal from conservatives. At the very end of the piece, Williams laments the "food fight" over Hayes announcing on Memorial Day weekend that he didn't like "hero" terminology for our nation's veterans:

Over Memorial Day weekend, for example, Mr. Hayes took his first banana-cream pie in the food fight that is contemporary American political discourse. Dissecting the political rhetoric used in regard to American veterans, he explained that he was “uncomfortable” with the word “hero” as it is tossed around by politicians. “It seems to me it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war,” he said.

FoxNews.com assailed him for “stupidity.” The commander in chief of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Richard DeNoyer, called the remarks “reprehensible and disgusting.”

Mr. Hayes issued a lengthy apology before the next week’s program (“I fell short in a crucial moment”). But in the broadcast that followed, nothing changed.

“I talk off-script for four hours a week, about very sensitive, complex matters,” he said two weeks later. “That comes with the territory.”

That section could have been headlined "When Doves Cry, by Wonk Prince."

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Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center. Click here to follow Tim Graham on Twitter.
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Metrosexual Chic on the rise again!

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 8:45am.

It's those "Naughty Librarian" glasses!

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Hayes

Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 8:56am.

Once again the Slimes proves it's irrelevancy.

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Your name, again, is....

Submitted by mcherr on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 8:57am.

Chris Mayes?

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Oh, this is too much fun

Submitted by CO2Maker on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:04am.

"Weakness of gesticulation"? Really. Like, oh, a limp wrist?

Gen-Y's wonk? Is he maybe an eWonk? Or a yWank?

"Honors-thesis words like 'signifier'"? So, he's signifyin', kind of like representin'?

And then this:

“The first and foremost important rule of the show: we’re not on television — no talking points, no sound bites,” [Hayes] said, his hair still a bed-head tangle and his suit collar askew. “We have a lot of time for actual conversation. So actually listen, actually respond.”

Malarkey. You're on TV. You know it. Your guests know it. We all know it. How many conversations do you have with a friend in which, every 5 or 9 minutes, you pause for 2 minutes while someone else talks about Immodium or Cialis? How many conversations do you have with a friend in a very large room with five or ten other people in the shadows, watching you? Do you like to have conversations while people watch you from the shadows?

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“I like the fact that it’s dialogic, small-d ‘democratic,’ ” Mr. Hayes said of his show. “We’re all sitting at the same table, we’re creating the public sphere in miniature. I was going to say, ‘We’re going to model Habermasian communicative action,’ but that’s excessively pretentious.”

Really? Dialogic? You mean, back and forth as in, you now, a dialogue, speaking between people? And you allude to Jürgen Habermas and then politely demurring from excessive pretentiosity? Hahahahaha. So, some media observers are afraid that the public would think the media were elite? I can't imagine why they would think that?

One more thing, Chris: give Racial Madcow her glasses back.

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The only thing I agreed with

Submitted by Reaver on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:34am.

The only thing I agreed with in this article was excessive pretentiousness, seems to describe this guy perfectly. Maybe even obsessive pretentiousness.

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.” ~ William F. Buckley, Jr.
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And Hayes would reply:

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:23am.

Pretentious? Moi????

Wonk-prince.  Translation:  Pedant.

See,  Hayes isn't the only one with a vocabulary.

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CO2

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:05am.

How many conversations do you have with a friend in which, every 5 or 9 minutes, you pause for 2 minutes while someone else talks about Immodium or Cialis?

You aren't very old yet, are you?  I can list several.  The other 5 or 9 minutes are about "ailments."

President Obama is a Muslim (from his own lips), Kenyan (read it from his publicist) a homosexual (read it on a news magazine cover) and a Socialist (I'm alive and can see it for myself)
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LOL

Submitted by stunned on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 11:16am.

Ok I just spewed my coffee all over the keyboard. Hahahahahahahaha The other 5 or 9 minutes are about ailments. heeheehee The typical conversation must include a discussion about blood pressure, triglycerides and knee ailments (accompanied with a great story of earlier sports glory moments or car wreck tales that caused the problem) Hahahahahaha I am so guilty!

tired of liberal lies

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I'm old enough to know better and old enough not to resist!

Submitted by CO2Maker on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:34pm.

My very close friend and I spend a lot of time conversing about many topics, often including bodily organs (not those ... well, yes, those, but also the ones used in metabolism and alimentation and other tasks), which no young whippersnappers would broach with each other.

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The older I am

Submitted by David Kramer on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 2:10pm.

the better I was.

"Be an information soldier in an army of one; where no one can follow, only lead." David Kramer
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delete

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:13am.

delete

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Ahhhhh,

Submitted by almostacowboy on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:49am.

I guess the left has nearly run out of thigs to "redefine" now that they've redefined intellect.

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Holy Crap!

Submitted by BBallleaper on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:50am.

I'm slipping........I don't have the foggiest idea who this cretin is,...nor do I care!

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Wonk??

Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:07am.

Not sure. Wanker? Definitely.

President Obama is a Muslim (from his own lips), Kenyan (read it from his publicist) a homosexual (read it on a news magazine cover) and a Socialist (I'm alive and can see it for myself)
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At least he doesn't lispth

Submitted by Texndoc on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:20am.

I love Rush Limbaugh's "New Liberal Castratti" character he pulls out all the time. "But Misther Limbaugh....!!!"
The only reason I think it's based on Ezra Klein and not Chris Hayes is the lispth. But they're both classic examples of what Rush means.

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Well, he may not have a lispth,

Submitted by SickofLibs on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:22am.

but if you overlaid his voice pattern on top of Maddow's you would find that they are almost exactly alike. It's really weird.

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Has anyone ever seen Chris

Submitted by motherbelt on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:30am.

Has anyone ever seen Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow in the same room at the same time?

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Really?

Submitted by CO2Maker on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:38pm.

"Overlaid on top of Maddow"? Are you thinking of Ed "I hope my face doesn't freeze this way" Schmutz? Or Joey Rebar? Bill Mohair? I know, a Republican: Andrew Sullivan!

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Chris is a winner

Submitted by syvyn11 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:25am.

He's won the "Rachel Maddow look-alike award" at Olbermann watch for four years running.

As a journalist? He wouldn't win jack.

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Whose show?

Submitted by CO2Maker on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:42am.

Anyone seen Keith the Sports Boy lately?

And btw, an outfit called 24/7 Wall Street is predicting the demise of Current TV by the end of 2013.

http://247wallst.com/2012/06/21/247-wall-st-10-brands-that-will-disappea...

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what is it about Brown?

Submitted by agingcynic on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:45am.

Are they guilty about being founded by slave traders? Are they trying to see how irrelevant they can be?
First, Brown grad Lincoln Chafee gets appointed RI Senator when his father, Sen. John drops dead.
He then renounces the Republican Party that appointed him in a case of Bush Derangement Syndrome, gets elected Governor as an Independent (the RI Democrats couldn't stand him either) and now is in the middle of a scandal because the state pulled a bait and switch scheme on Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling that bankrupted the video game firm he was enticed into moving from MA. Did I mention that Chafee's pre-politics career was as a farrier? Yep, if your horse needed new shoes, he was your man. You can't make up this stuff.

Now we are presented with MSNBC's Unibomber in training, waxing rhapsodic on the "Philosophy of Mathematics" and how Obama is doing a great job, the rest of us are just too obtuse to appreciate him.

Further evidence: "if you can't dazzle 'em with footwork, baffle 'em with BS".

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the Slimes...

Submitted by Tomorama on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:47am.

I have watched and it is strictly a liberal errrr highly partisan progressive love fest and all that is missing is the French sipping water and the brie on a Melba Crisp.

Not for real men, strike that, not for real Americans.

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin
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Shoulda known this was

Submitted by tcm14 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 11:05am.

Shoulda known this was coming. Hayes is a socialist who made anti-military statements, it is practically required for the NYT to drop to their knees and run a puff piece.

Still, you would not believe the people who use the NYT in arguments as if it is non-partisan proof of something. Libs fervently believe that anything left-wing is non-partisan, the self-deluded idiots.

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Piss on Chris Hayes

Submitted by CT on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 11:09am.

I find it fascinating that Generation Y would embrace a Y chromosome deficient Rachel clone with ‘Wonk Prince’ status.

The only response Hayes invokes in me is the barely controllable desire to slap him across his mouth with the back of my hand and bloody his lip. Maybe it’s a Vet thing.

The Obamination must go!
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I don't think being called

Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 11:23am.

I don't think being called the 'Generation Y Wank Prick' is any kind of compliment..........

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I hate to be the Spelling Police, Tim,

Submitted by bkeyser on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 11:45am.

but you spelled "princess" wrong in your headline.

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Another misspelling:' wonk'

Submitted by Soldat44 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 1:31pm.

Another misspelling:' wonk' should be spelled 'wank'

'One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church'
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Doesn't his brother work for

Submitted by cristo on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:12pm.

Doesn't his brother work for the OhBama Campaign?

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/its-great-to-be-back-in-the-silver...

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The NYT missed Hayes' best

Submitted by celator on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:36pm.

The NYT missed Hayes' best talent: standing up on his hind legs and taking several steps before losing his balance and falling over. I'm surprised they didn't mention that.

"This is not your mother's Democratic Party"--Andrew Breitbart, CPAC, February 2012
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Definition "Wonk"

Submitted by Edhenry on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 12:49pm.

"Wonk": Academically inclined, with no experience. Superiority complex due to mastery of prose, but insecure to the point of co-dependency. Patronizing in attitude, but absent in individual actions of charity. Air of temperance from detachment of commitment and character.

The wonk watches. The wonk pontificates.

But the wonk does not contribute.

edhenry
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So the wonk can wead, wite,

Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 1:48pm.

So the wonk can wead, wite, and do withmatic, and he can watch, warn, waft, wax, and wallow in his wonderous wisdom???
Well, I think this wonk is a wediculous over-wrought worm, and also a woeful wanker..............

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killa ---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:05pm.

Nice !

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Hayes

Submitted by mmilesll on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 1:27pm.

Hayes is a pos who doesn't deserve to live in the US. What a mind numbed idiot.

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Is this Hayes a lesbian or

Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 3:14pm.

Is this Hayes a lesbian or gay?

Non, je ne regrette rien. "You aren't angry because I might be a racist, you're angry because you know I'm right".
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Again...

Submitted by Bill Brasky on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 3:37pm.

I thought her name was Rachel Maddow.

"If you want to make a Conservative angry, tell him a lie. If you want to make a Liberal angry, tell him the truth." - Rush Limbaugh
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Circle Jerk?

Submitted by Wineguy13 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 5:42pm.

Or elitist echo-chamber, I can't tell what this show is. Mr. Hayes deserves some credit for not taking the easy money path of Math Philosophy consultant. That is where the real money is...instead he chose to go into the Rachel Maddow impersonator biz. BTW-Ted Leo is a great musician & leftist (unfortunately). Do yourself a favor and illegally download some of his music so that he is not insulted by your commercialism.

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Good grief. Madcow Maddow is

Submitted by Pinetree3 on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 9:20pm.

Good grief. Madcow Maddow is more male than Hayes is. Just being rhetorically proximate, ya know?

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Richard Maddow got his twin brother (the sissyfied one)

Submitted by johnsonl on Sun, 06/24/2012 - 10:10pm.

a job. So what? We all know who has the real testicles in that family.

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Give them back

Submitted by feisty on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 11:34am.

....who goes on the air wearing his little sister's reading glasses....

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Wonk THIS!!

Submitted by porgiefirefighter on Tue, 06/26/2012 - 2:29pm.

"Wonk Prince"?????? I shall waste no time looking that up.

I am still trying to figure out what brand of tofu a "metrosexual" is made from.

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