NBC's Brian Williams Helps Ashley Judd Fight the 'Patriarchy'
On Wednesday night's edition of the poorly-performing prime-time show Rock Center, Brian Williams tried to rub some stardust on his ratings and strike a blow for feminism at the same time. He honored actress Ashley Judd for writing an outraged feminist essay about "patriarchy" on The Daily Beast because someone criticized her puffy face.
Williams supportively explained, "This week the 43-year-old actress wrote a bold, and at times angry essay on the Web, calling out our whole culture, the haters, the cheap shots, how easy it's become for everyone to pick apart someone else." He noted she accused the media of having a quote "nasty and misogynistic conversation at her expense about the way she looks," but he left out the rest of the feminist jargon.
It's unfortunate that Hollywood gossips -- including those paid by NBC Universal -- love to chatter about which aging actress has undergone plastic surgery. It's often unconfirmed speculation, which doesn't fit the definition of "news." But on the Daily Beast -- to be precise, in a section titled "Sexy Beast" -- Judd uncorked a barrel of feminist rhetoric:
That women are joining in the ongoing disassembling of my appearance is salient. Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it. This abnormal obsession with women’s faces and bodies has become so normal that we (I include myself at times—I absolutely fall for it still) have internalized patriarchy almost seamlessly. We are unable at times to identify ourselves as our own denigrating abusers, or as abusing other girls and women.
Women should be valued as much more than their appearance. Then comes the big "but" -- but Ashley Judd has made millions of dollars starring in movies precisely because of our "patriarchy" of men and women appreciating her appearance and wanting to see it on the big screen. How many much more "normal-looking" women have never been considered to star in all the roles that Judd has won.
But Williams offered Judd a big red carpet to publicize her "inter alia" patriarchy diatribe. If you think he'd let a less famous, less attractive actress do that, you don't know much about the "news" business. (Williams also promoted Judd with an "In Their Own Words" clip on NBC Nightly News.)
This is how the Judd piece on Sexy Beast began: "The Conversation about women’s bodies exists largely outside of us, while it is also directed at (and marketed to) us, and used to define and control us. The Conversation about women happens everywhere, publicly and privately. We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification. Our voices, our personhood, our potential, and our accomplishments are regularly minimized and muted."
This is how it ended, with talk of "heteronormative" narratives: "If this conversation about me is going to be had, I will do my part to insist that it is a feminist one, because it has been misogynistic from the start. Who makes the fantastic leap from being sick, or gaining some weight over the winter, to a conclusion of plastic surgery? Our culture, that’s who. The insanity has to stop, because as focused on me as it appears to have been, it is about all girls and women. In fact, it’s about boys and men, too, who are equally objectified and ridiculed, according to heteronormative definitions of masculinity that deny the full and dynamic range of their personhood. It affects each and every one of us, in multiple and nefarious ways: our self-image, how we show up in our relationships and at work, our sense of our worth, value, and potential as human beings. Join in—and help change—the Conversation."
Williams closed out his Judd promotion with this line: "Our thanks to the actress and activist and now essayist Ashley Judd."
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Errrr Uhhhh!!
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 1:53pm.
Wasn't her critic a leftist media personality?
Patriarchy
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 1:56pm.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Thats preposterous...
Submitted by Sude23 on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 9:07pm.
Thats preposterous...
➚Thank you Sude
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 9:35pm.
And just like "gruntled" is a derivative of its prefixed sister, so is "posterous".
"It privileges, inter alia,
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:18pm.
"It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women."
Women care more about how they, how they're dressed, etc., look than men do. This has nothing to do with the interests of boys and men.
Men are also equally objective and ridiculed, but what does that have to do with *patriarchy* and moreover heteronormative definitions of masculinity? One of the standards by which men have been ridiculed is women's standards of attractiveness for men, who end up wanting men to look "boyish" which is also in agreement with whatever "gay" standards for masculinity there are. For example, when men grow a beard its seen as a big deal. A man growing a beard is like a women not wearing makeup.
Not to mention the fuss over Santorum's sweater vests. Like Scarlett Johansson making fun of him by saying her "dad wears sweater vests".
The media's attention to looks comes from the fashion industry, which is largely catered to women, and based on standards of glamour that are inculcated in a very liberal culture. Looking "too conservative" is considered unfashionable and boring.
Ms. Judd needs to get out of the feminist box she placed herself in.
Says the woman who owes her
Submitted by forest on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 1:59pm.
Says the woman who owes her lucrative career mostly to her looks.
And judging by her writing style and vocabulary, I'd say she's earned herself enough money and free time to take some sophomore level college classes. So good on her for her continuing indoctrination and non-heteronormative personhood autonomy.
She graduated from UK
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:03pm.
....school of rioting students after a recent basketball victory.
Poor little Ashley got caught with her face looking uber-puffy after obvious collagen injections (check out the UK Daily Mail).....and became furious, blaming the ultra red and puffy to "steroids" to treat her sinuses.
I'm not buying it. Not the excuse, and certainly not her little feminist rant.
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Holy Jeebus, not another "CONVERSATION".
Submitted by WhoIsJohnGalt on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:07pm.
If I see another print ad, hear a radio commercial or see a TV commercial about "starting a conversation" about ANYTHING, I'm gonna take someone out from a bell tower! Enough "conversations" already. Suck it up and move on with your life in the direction that you want Ashley. If you don't like how Hollywood works, don't play with that depraved group.
And while I'm ranting about commercials...is there some wisdom that I don't understand that requires that stupid yoga pose be in every other commercial?
Liberals are
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 9:55am.
all about conversation and dialogue. As long as they can dominate both.
Sure, I'll join the Conversation: "Shut up and act."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:11pm.
And while you're at it, stop taunting little Brian with your "heteronormative" talk.
"Then comes the big "but" --
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:12pm.
"Then comes the big "but" -- but Ashley Judd has made millions of dollars starring in movies precisely because of our "patriarchy" of men and women appreciating her appearance and wanting to see it on the big screen."
Talent has a little bit to do with it, too. Otherwise Christie Brinkley would've been a huge movie star, same with Cindy Crawford. And I imagine she'd argue that she became an actress because she loves acting, not because she knows she's attractive.
I also think many people here
Submitted by BosTarus on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:23pm.
I also think many people here would agree with the central argument that she is making-that women in public are picked apart on completely superficial levels, when the conversation should be based on merit, not whether or not their face looks puffier this season.
Don't let the fact that she uses feminist lingo distract from the fact that she's making a valid point.
I don't think women are
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:35pm.
I don't think women are specifically targeted over men. Many people say that the media focuses on the dress of women candidates for instance; but men candidates only get less comments on their dress, because most of them are able to stay within the box and dress in the same kind of suits. Whenever a male candidate goes out of that box, though, ie Santorum with sweater vests, or Lamar Alexander in plaid shirts, they get just as many comments. People also poke fun of men who are overweight, men who have facial hair, and so on,... Santorum looked like a little boy, Romney was stiff, fake and over-coiffed, Gingrich was too fat....
Its not just the lingo I don't agree with, I never agreed with the argument that our media culture was sexist. Superficial, yes, but not sexist.
She was talking specifically
Submitted by BosTarus on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:37pm.
She was talking specifically about our celebrity culture-not so much politics... though you could argue that's superficial as well-but more in a different way than straight up looks.
She's complaining about how the appearance of (mostly female) celebrities is a popular topic of discussion, and typically in an extremely negative way.
She was reacting, specifically, to the critical response of her new show, "Missing", in which the quality of the show itself took a back seat to the discussion of how Ashley Judd looks "puffier" and so on.
Yea, I don't know that
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:42pm.
Yea, I don't know that celebrity culture is particularly more biased more against women than men, any more than political reporting is. Following up on the point I was making, its hard to be "leading man" and have facial hair. David Letterman growing a big was a big story. There are specific women whose looks are focused on because they're chosen for their parts for their looks, while others like Kathy Bates don't get criticism, because they're chosen for other reasons. Ashley Judd fits into that category.
Although the attention to
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:48pm.
Although the attention to Letterman was for the reason he grew his beard, along with Conan.
Just take one look at the magazines at the supermarket checkout counter. Way more coverage of women's looks than men.
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Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:58pm.
The desire to be beautiful is hardwired into women. The desire to have a beautiful woman is hardwired into men. To dismiss those desires as superficial or having their derivation solely in 'culture', and act like there's something wrong with them is to dismiss one of the basic drives of both men and women.
It won't work.
It is superficial to want a
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:06pm.
It is superficial to want a woman only because she's beautiful. Unless you're out trolling for a one-night stand, naturally.
~Missed the point
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:55pm.
Isolating the desire for a beautiful woman from all other reasons for wanting a woman is unhealthy, but desiring a beautiful woman is not. It's perfectly natural, as is a woman's desire to be beautiful. It's when you drop everything else just for that, that you go wrong.
The point is that the cultural obsession with appearances is an unbalanced response to a natural desire, not a cause.
balboa
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:55pm.
Funny, I don't consider myself exceptionally superficial, as much as I put great emphasis on my woman being beautiful.
And I contend that the desire to be beautiful can be found in men as well.
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Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:58pm.
Well said and it's nice to hear your voice, here and elswhere.
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Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 5:37pm.
Hey coco, thank you!
Sorry I'm not on here much except when I find openings in people's posts to be a narcissist. :p But I do reference NB a lot "elsewhere", like facebook, and I continue to lurk this place.
I also had a sucky connection for a long time, but I'm back in business, so look for more substantive posting by me again. :)
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Ok Shy,
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 5:24pm.
I get the one with you hanging onto her ankle for dear life, but that rainbow tie has got to go! ;-)
bkeyser
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 5:29pm.
"but that rainbow tie has got to go! ;-)"
For shame! To think, your posts I excerpted and quoted on my facebook wall just today, from the Atheists Darken DC thread.
I don't know what to say. And the general consensus has been positive of said tie. :)
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Well, Shy
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 6:50pm.
given that my idea of a good looking tie is pretty much limited to this,consider my fashion even more conservative than my politics. Good to see you, bro!
Like the tie, love my brother Shy, and gaze ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 8:11pm.
with delight at his lady.
And, of course, with respect and admiration at the Marine uniform, bk.
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Back in the Victorian era,
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:44pm.
Back in the Victorian era, when we had a much more conservative culture -- not necessarily something we completely would want to go back to -- women weren't expected to be ultra-skinny, medium weights were considered normal, wearing a lot of makeup was considered trampish, etc., men wore beards and glasses. Less attention was focused on looks, and men paying too much attention to looks was considered "dandies" and women "quaintrelles." Dress was restricted, so it wasn't an entirely judgment-free culture, but in entirely different ways, you were expected to look "respectable." The change from then to now has a lot to do with an celebrity media driven by reporting on glamour, sex appeal, etc.,
Victorian era?
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:46pm.
Actually most eras!
But socieatal station was much more important than today - possibly a social trade-off?
Not sure why this quote came to mind other than it matches my point but it is not Victorian"
"Mr. Elton is a very good sort of man, and a very respectable vicar of Highbury, but not at all likely to make an imprudent match. He knows the value of a good income as well as any body. Elton may talk sentimentally, but he will act rationally. He is as well acquainted with his own claims, as you can be with Harriet's. He knows that he is a very handsome young man, and a great favourite wherever he goes; and from his general way of talking in unreserved moments, when there are only men present, I am convinced that he does not mean to throw himself away. I have heard him speak with great animation of a large family of young ladies that his sisters are intimate with, who have all twenty thousand pounds apiece."
Well, Victorian, because
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:16pm.
Well, Victorian, because that's right before the culture started shifting to becoming more liberal.
You see it in the change in the use of corsets. Feminists will talk about how Victorians forced women to wear corsets and so on, but initially they were just used to shape the clothing and they weren't adjusted to for the women to have a tiny waist. They actually had much more lenient standards about weight back then. But as the culture started focusing more on sex, women started adjusting their corsets...
Do you think if Brad Pitt
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:23pm.
Do you think if Brad Pitt started taking collagen injections, grew a huge beard, or started gaining weight, that nobody in the celebrity press would comment on it?
Alec Baldwin isn't the slim hunky guy he used to be
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:39pm.
but I don't see the press picking him apart, and he still gets roles.
In Baldwin's case, his outside is starting to look like his insides.
Did Ashley Judd grow a beard? By the way, Pitt did grow a beard, but he's living with anorexia central so no one noticed.
Baldwin is the comedy
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:58pm.
Baldwin is the comedy business, usually cast as a loud-mouth, I don't think we'd ever see him in a leading man role, or that he was ever the same pretty-boy category as someone like Brad Pitt or George Clooney. There are plenty of heavier actresses who are cast in films also. Did Marlon Brando get picked on for his weight? Was Kirstie Alley really picked apart by the mainstream press? I remember more sympathy for her, and now she's on TV again.
Kirstie Alley got slammed.
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:00pm.
Kirstie Alley got slammed. Baldwin got _some_ flack when he first put on all that weight. Remember, he used to be Jack Ryan, he was the lead in Heaven's Prisoners.
Alley got slammed by the
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:11pm.
Alley got slammed by the tabloids, as I remember..b ut thats what the tabloids do.
Baldwin started as a dramtic actor, and was
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:13pm.
a pretty boy. I know, before he made his political bent known and his youth he was quite the hottie.
Do I feel bad for Judd? Not really. It's no secret what Hollywood wants of women. Life isn't fair, she better learn to deal with it.
Actually, Baldwin started in the Soaps
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 5:30pm.
LOL, Rad...he was on The Doctors for years, back when I was in high school.
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redfish
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:34pm.
I do remember Brando getting slammed for his weight, but it was after his career was all but gone. He was in Tahiti and going through whatever that killing scandal was. I'm pretty sure he was a regular "fat joke" on the late night shows.
He should be picked apart...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:15pm.
solely for being an idiot, not because he's a lard-butt.
Sorry, Bos
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 2:57pm.
Being a celebrity IS her business.
And as such, she had no business going out in public looking the way she did. And then whining about it.
She was reacting, specifically, to the mean coverage she got at the UK Daily Mail concerning her puffy looks whilst travelling. Red and PUFFY. With a follow up a few days later, showing her newly puffed up face vis-a-vis her younger, slimmer cheeks.
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Ashley has no clue
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 9:59am.
She needs to go through what MGM put Judy Garland through. Ol' Louis B. Meyer had Garland on a regimen of diet pills and starvation diets because she said she was too fat. And he publicly said she was a property of his and/or MGM and would be treated as such. So until Ashley has to deal with something like that, she's just whistling in the dark. And all her feminist rhetoric is just that.
WE need to see this for what
Submitted by bobtheman on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:10pm.
WE need to see this for what it is... yeah, maybe it's a legit subject, but it's also playing favor with women voters and NBCs effort to get them to trust a network that "cares so much" for womens issue's. After all, if you can trust a network that highlights and takes the lead in womens issue's, can't you also edit and persuade the narrative that the "Republican War on Women" is legit? America is being played to curry favor and link the moral high ground to Barak Obama campaign.
This is not about Ashely Judd. Do you really think NBC gives a rats ass about her? NO. They're using her and the subject to cynically suggest NBC has the bragging rights and moral high ground on womens issues. The playbook is obvious and women will swoon over Brian and believe anything he feeds them, which includes bias for the democrat ticket.
That's not a concept
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:20pm.
That's not a concept exclusive to NBC. All networks try to find a way to get women viewers.
Ashley is a
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:01am.
property of NBC, that and nothing more. When she's used up, she'll be kicked out the door.
Judd didn't complain when she got roles because of her looks.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 3:41pm.
Maybe she should have become a brain surgeon. No one cares what their brain surgeon looks like.
Wasn't she arrested for
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:34pm.
Wasn't she arrested for shoplifting? Her sister turned out to be a drunk. Neither one of them is like their momma. They turned out to be trashy women.
No, that was her sister Big Winnie.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 4:57pm.
Ashley was the cattle rustler.
Claimed the heifers "broke in."
How is Ashley trashy?
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 6:22pm.
How is Ashley trashy?
Trashely Judd:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 6:32pm.
"women voting for McCain/Palin is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."
Yeah that doesn't prove
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 7:46pm.
Yeah that doesn't prove anything.
➚ Much ado about nothing
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 8:36pm.
She still looks good. This reminds me of that lady last week who wrote the article about how so many people hated her because she's beautiful.
She wasn't ugly, but she wasn't Ashley Judd, either.
I think in both cases, but from different directions, the women are fishing for compliments.
Bet she
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:03am.
has a tramp stamp too.
Really? Implying that my wife is a suicidal chicken is nothing?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:04am.
YOU try it.
Just make sure you've tied up all your loose ends and have purchased a plot.
Good morning SoL
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:17am.
Problem is, to him trashy is someone who's been in the grave over two months.
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Shows she's opinionated, but
Submitted by balboa on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 11:03am.
Shows she's opinionated, but not trashy.
The tramp from TN...
Submitted by jdripper on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 7:27pm.
Judd has not had a box office hit in years. The last film she did she played her part nude for most of the film and it still lost money. When old liberal actresses begin to realize no one want to see them anymore the liberal press makes then into intellectuals.
Jack
She's spent almost as much time nude in her films
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 8:08pm.
as clothed. Never seemed to bother her that pics and videos were floating around. Now, she's upset with the "patriarchy" because unflattering pictures are out there? Much ado about nothing.
Really? I can think of two
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 8:18pm.
Really? I can think of two movies where she had nude scenes.
Well, that was the beginning of your problem,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 8:38pm.
the thinking part. There are 9 or 10 films listed on various sites that list her nude credits. Not to mention her flashing the papparazzi a few times.
If you say so.
Submitted by balboa on Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:33pm.
If you say so.
Let me rephrase that just a little bit
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 10:04am.
and..
Submitted by g55rumpy on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 6:27am.
the obama whitehouse (nbc`s buddy), pays women less than they do men. they care. yeah, right. my aunt fanny
She's using some
Submitted by misterbee241 on Fri, 04/13/2012 - 9:52am.
pretty big three and four syllable words there. She'd better be careful. Her head might explode.
I went back and read the whole thing. Does anybody think she has any clue as to what she is saying? Or is she just regurgitating something she heard or was told by some shrink? This is just so much off the wall psychobabble.