Who Taught Rogue American to Shoot 16 Afghan Civilians? Daily Kos Indicts Limbaugh
How rabid are leftists right now to attach anything and everything to Rush Limbaugh? See the Daily Kos with their Sunday night diatribe titled "Did Soldier who Killed 16 in Afghanistan Receive his Diploma from the Rush Limbaugh Show?" No one knows the reasons why this man would shoot innocent civilians, but the Kosmonauts have great imaginations and have already declared Limbaugh is an accessory to mass murder. The author is Constance Hilliard, a professor of African and Middle East History at North Texas University.
Hilliard complained "The Rush Limbaugh Show is being broadcast to troops on bases all over the world. However, America has too much at stake, to allow this seedy, ugly-spirited man to roll around in the minds of vulnerable young men. These soldiers are thousands of miles from home, getting shot at by an enemy indistinguishable from our Afghan allies, for a war whose rationale nobody even remembers any more. They need something better than an education in anti-Muslim hatred."
'Down in the comments, Hilliard is typically pacifist: “The paradox for our militarist society is this. If we didn't dehumanize our enemies, then they wouldn't be "enemies." We would work to understand where they're coming from. But where would this leave the arms manufacturers??”
Still further down in the comments, she added:
Rush Limbaugh spouting anti-Muslim filth and a crazed gunman killing Afghan men, women and children in their beds are tragically linked. While I didn't say so in the post because I did not have empirical proof, I would wager (no actually I'm certain) that this soldier did listen to Limbaugh. Armed Forces Radio has much good programming. But given the fact that soldiers are a captive audience, fighting under extreme levels of stress, Rush Limbaugh is just too unhinged to subject them to involuntarily. Yes, I said "involuntarily." Living in cramped quarters with your buddies tuned to the Rush Limbaugh Show, means that his hateful lies are being broadcast to all within listening distance -- and that would mean you too.
While Hillard can protest the ugly-spiritedness of Limbaugh, she also wrote an article headlined "Maybe Helen Thomas Was Right." Helen's rant about the Jews going back to their homeland in Europe was "raw and injudicious," Hillard found, but she was glad Helen said it, since the West condemned the Jews to the Middle East when they should have allowed them to emigrate.
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Bush's lynch mob
Submitted by Tim Graham on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:07pm.
Another recent blog of Hilliard's was titled "When America Became a Lynch Mob or do SUPERPOWERS Never Have to Say They're Sorry". The subject was Bush's war in Iraq, which was like a lynching:
My question is this. What responsibility do citizens in a democracy have to redress foreign policy mistakes, when the victims number in the hundreds of thousands? Should it matter that the public's initial support for the war in Iraq took on the fervor of a lynch mob, seeking vengeance after 9/11? Of course, we can blame former President George Bush for the invasion of Iraq with good reason. After all, the White House insisted that Saddam Hussein was hiding "weapons of mass destruction." But somehow this all sounds a bit too pat and familiar, because. . .that's how things used to be done in Mississippi.
The lynch mob hangs the nig--- from the highest tree and then goes back to being sheriff, store clerk or housewife. Yes, it may turn out later that the victim had been wronged, but the whole town surged forth, cheering on whomever swung the rope around the tree branch and tied it around the victim's neck. And with the body left dangling from the tree, normal, everyday life returns.
http://soul-wisdom.blogspot.com/2012/02/does-being-superpower-mean-never...
I totally disagree Tim
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:09am.
We can't, "with good reason", blame Bush for Iraq. And it wasn't just the White House that insisted Saddam had WMDs. The entire congress agreed, as did all the intel agencies and the military. And Saddam DID have them. He used them against Iran and the Kurds on numerous occasions. And why, in 2003 while the UN was dithering about using force, and being roadblocked by France and Germany, were there 100-vehicle convoys traveling between Iraq and Syria on a daily basis? And how hard would it be, in a country covered in featurless desert, to take a GPS 50 miles out and bury weapons where no one could ever find them? What about the stockpiles of chemical artillery shells found (maybe not huge quantities, but there nonetheless)? What about the mobile labs with traces of bio weapons discovered after the invasion?
As for this twit pacifist professor, she seems like a typical Ivory Tower elitist. What the hell does she know about our troops in the field? What does she know of Afghan adult men throwing infants and children onto barbed-wire in order to climb over them for food being distributed by our troops? I would call THAT dehumanizing. What does she know about how our troops feel when Afghan civilians knowingly watch IEDs injure and kill our troops, when they bloody well KNEW where the bomb was and didn't provide any warning? What does she know about how they feel when their Afghan "buddy, who they've been training for months on a daily basis, suddenly turns their weapon on US troops and shoots them in the back? What does she know about how our troops feel when the Afghan populace turns on us at the slightest provocation, totally ignoring the atrocities perpetrated on them by their own Taliban? How about an apology from the Afghans for MURDERING our troops, instead of our Commander in Chief apologizing for a few burnt Q'urans (which, BTW, is the proper way to dispose of their holy book when defaced). I haven't heard one word of protest from these moronic protestors over the defacement itself - BY MUSLIMS, just the burning of the books. Why aren't they screaming for the beheadings of the Taliban prisoners that defamed their holy books against their so-devout religion. She needs to go back to her books in her plush college office and keep her nose (and mouth) out of the real world, as she obviously knows exactly jack $#it about it!
Tim was quoting Hilliard
Submitted by Rukus on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:13am.
on one of her blogs, not Tim's word. Probably shoulda used quotation marks. But he did say this, "...which was like a lynching:", notice the colon. Hilliard is one of the reasons our younger generation is so screwed up in the head. Sigh
I understand Tim was quoting
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:33pm.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I was rebutting Hillard's column. People like her, with her know-it-all talk but absolutely no practical experience really piss me off. I spent 22 years proudly wearing our nation's uniform, and have been there and done (and seen) that. She knows jack about the people, the troops, or what's really going on in the M.E. Yet her, and those like her, constantly jump up to speak "on behalf of the troops" (who BTW, LOVE listening to Rush). Thanks for pointing it out Rukus.
Of course! It's all coded.
Submitted by NC Boy on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:07pm.
Just like the Beatles "Helter Skelter" secretly informed Charlie Manson to start a race war.
Watch what happens the day Rush says, "Talent on loan from Allah!"
Shhhh!
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:09pm.
Don't reveal the code!
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Conservative students need to organize a protest
Submitted by povertypimpin on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:10pm.
Go to her next lecture and let her know how you feel.
"The results of recent
Submitted by lrgon on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:15pm.
"The results of recent Western military intervention are even worse. George W. Bush's 'splendid little war' against Iraq wrecked that nation, setting off a conflict that killed perhaps 200,000 people, wounding and otherwise traumatizing far more, forcing as many as half of Iraq's Christians from their homes, many to Syria, and empowering Iran." --- Doug Bandow column at The American Spectator
The policy of interventionism embraced by both war parties killed those children and adult villagers. Obama is to blame,Bush, and the other war mongers like McCain, Lindsay Graham and the Sec of State.
While Rush Limbaugh is not personally to blame he, along with Hannity and Levine and Michael Medved, have fueled the rhetoric on the airwaves and bamboozled their listeners into not questioning the unAmerican war policy of war and intervention in the middle east.
Even Newt Gingrich in yesterdays news stories said supporting a quick withdrawal from Afghanistan.
This killing spree may serve as a lesson to what happens to an unarmed populace.
One thing is for certain had Ron Paul been elected in '08 those children would be alive and this blackmark on our military would not have occured.
Ron Paul for President - Restore The Articles of Confederation!
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:18pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zidyXPxDnQ
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Really, The Afghan populace
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:46am.
Really, The Afghan populace is unarmed? Maybe you ought to leave the safety and comfort of Starbucks and go there yourself and have a look. You seem to forget Fort Hood and all the other attacks on US troops. I give you that the Sargent had been re-toured too many times but everything else you spout is bogus.
Actually, one thing is certain,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:38am.
You will keep on pimpin Ronpaul, no matter what. And, no, neither party nor their "policy" killed the Afghans, one sergeant, who disobeyed a whole lot of orders killed them.
And, it's Levin, Irksome, not Levine. Or is that some of your anti-Semitism showing through?
"One thing is for certain had
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:39am.
"One thing is for certain had Ron Paul been elected in '08 those children would be alive and this blackmark on our military would not have occured."
Oh, I'm sure. Tell us all, Irgon, what would have been Paul's response to 9/11? How would he have handled it? Dazzle me with an example of Paul's foreign policy.
One thing is certain....
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:53am.
If Ron Paul had the ability to generate wings and could spew fire like Godzilla, he could have stopped the war all by himself. Implausible? Impossible? He has the same chances of having that happen as winning any future or past presidential campaigns. Wait, no, better chances of sprouting wings and spewing fire.
Poor little loon. Must suck being in a nation with two war parties. Maybe you should leave for better environs.
No, that's dragons.
Submitted by ghidorah15 on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 10:36pm.
Godzilla spews radiation - and how dare you insult him with a comparison to Ron Paul? He'd crack the little nut in a split second.
Saint Saddam?
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 1:37pm.
"The policy of interventionism embraced by both war parties killed those children and adult villagers."
Did yo ever see what Saddam's "polices' were doing to his own citizens, his own "children and adult villagers?" For example, Saddam's "policies of interventionism" started a with Iran that killed over a MILLION PEOPLE! How many people did Saddam's invasion of Kuwait end up killing? Do you even ask? Never mind the entire villages that Saddam has destroyed, and the tens of thousands of people Saddam had killed, all for the sake of his own enjoyment.
Now, let's examine what the Taliban has done to the Afghanistan people, like torture, murder, rape, and pillaging, something they did for decades while in power, and years now while in hiding, and tell me, how is that OUR fault
But, hay, let's ignore Saddam's 30 plus years of brutality and murderous tyranny, and the Talaban's similar behaivor, for it doesn't fit the rhetoric that US is the Bad Guy for trying to stop it!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
How much do you want to bet?
Submitted by Molecule on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:15pm.
... that she has never listened to 1 minute of Rush's show and has no idea what he actually says on the show?!
Why hasn't she asked
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:19pm.
about Obama's campaign promise to end the war and bring everyone home? Shouldn't that have happened in 09?
My own opinion is that since the ROE got so restricted then we have no business being somewhere that even people we're training turn and fire on our own troops. Let's blast out a safe LZ and bring them back.
Actually Tugboat...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:21pm.
Obama's campaign promise was to increase our force level in Afghanistan. And he did.
In December of 2009, he also pledged to begin a drawdown in 2011. And I believe he did that, too.
You may be thinking of some other war.
Jer
Which doesn't alter the fact that Obama is a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:30pm.
lying pos.
MD
You're slipping, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:44pm.
You left out "purple lipped" lying pos.
Jer
Not at all. I figured you'd be along to pick up the ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 2:48am.
slack.
MD
But didn't he increase it by
Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:36pm.
But didn't he increase it by far fewer numbers than the generals wanted? Seems like he did it more for his own reputation rather than actually trying to win the war.
Then he begins a withdrawal one year before the election? Again, more for himself than anything.
Not really, NC Cop...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:49pm.
My recollection is the request was for an additional 40,000 troops and Obama approved 30,000--which the field commanders then said was a sufficient number.
Jer
Your recollections are always in favor of a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 2:31am.
Democratic politician.
Obama doesn't know jack about military matters - what did you think the generals were going to do, call their boss a dipshit at the risk of their careers?
MD
My recollections aren't infallible, and if anyone can point out
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 2:54am.
where and to what extent I've erred in this or any other instance, I welcome the correction. But I doubt there will be any substantive debunking from you, Matthew. All you've managed in two and a half years is to nail me for one or two typos and a couple of misspellings.
Bravo!
I suspect the generals may have slightly highballed the actual number needed, and succeeded in getting what they wanted. It's not an uncommon tactic.
Jer
Good morning Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 3:21am.
I guess you realise that if you're not infallible you can never be pope. I hope you're not too disappointed.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Jer, No you don't, you never ever will "welcome the correction"
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 4:05am.
Deer in the headlights democrat Jer, that is so sad, another short and not to any sort of any point what sooo ever diarrheaick post.
OOO sooo pulling the seniority card.... yet again, yawn.
You Didn't Build That.
Considering Jers only argument
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:34am.
For my comments, is to call me a stalker and other assorted names.
Jer must of been the one who invented playing ball, with no score, so later he can claim victory.
Apparently an explanation to Boudin is in order...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 3:41pm.
Please follow closely. This is rather complicated.
You'll note I haven't once referred to you as a "stalker" in the past couple of months. The reason I haven't--and this is where it gets tricky--is that you haven't stalked me in the past couple of months.
Feel free to ask for further clarification if you are still perplexed.
Jer
No one's recollections are infallible, Jer, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 3:09pm.
which is likely why you don't remember on a day to day basis that you post nothing more than your lefty ideology, apologies for Obama, and defensive polemic forays into providing cover for Democrat policies, personnel, and peccadillos.
What's to debunk?
Nothing other than your lib BS.
I merely rag on you because you keep showing up in your recurring role as the premier house liberal of NewsBusters.
Don't read too much into the word premier, cuz your only competition would be balboa, alvin, melvin, or a few other assorted chipmunks and trolls.
MD
MD - sidesplitting :)
Submitted by MrShy on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 4:00pm.
"Don't read too much into the word premier, cuz your only competition would be balboa, alvin, melvin, or a few other assorted chipmunks and trolls."
LIKE. A LOT.
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Good grief,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:27am.
Jeez, They asked for 60k+, oh and btw, what the heck do you think the Generals are going to say. Do you think their going to run to the media screaming like a bunch of dimwits?
Besides, Obama changed the ROE, now more of our guys are getting killed. Also, just for the recored, it is costing us more as well.
Nothing says CiC like an excuse peddling jacka$$ who hates half of the folks he claims to represent.
Looks like you missed again, Jer
Actually, Jer,....
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:47am.
the request was for 30,000 and he sent 17,000.
Actually, Jer
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 1:44pm.
Actually Jer, there were two promises made in 2008, one to expand the war in Afghanistan, and one to end the war in Iraq within a year. He expanded the war in Afghanistan, just as promised, but he definitely missed his one year deadline for ending the war in Iraq.
I am willing to cut him some slack on Iraq, though, for one he actually became President, he realized the need to continue our "presence" there as long as necessary. Of course, it was Bush who originally realized just how long it would be necessary, for the "draw down" is occurring according to Bush's schedule, not Obama's. But Obama is following that schedule, as is appropriate. I just wish he'd give Bush a little bit of the credit. Of course, Obama's a politician first and foremost, so that's not going to happen, especially in an election year.
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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Who would Professor Hilliard
Submitted by Bettendor on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:22pm.
Who would Professor Hilliard prefer the soldiers listen to in place of Rush Limbaugh? Mike Malloy? Randi Rhoads? Ed Schultz? Or any of the lib-talkers who would sooner bash the soldiers for the work they do rather than support them and their mission?
But then again, remember in the words of Jane Fonda and Gloria Steinum recently on CNN.com, the quest to remove Rush Limbaugh from the air is not political.
"You just don't get it." - Pa Grape
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And what informed Major Hasan
Submitted by fscarn on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:24pm.
And what informed Major Hasan to murder soldiers in 2009?
Oh, something like the Koran.
You just watch. This American soldier will be speedily dealt with. Meanwhile Hasan's trial is no where in sight.
⇒ He heard the call
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:34pm.
Hasan heard the most beautiful sound in the world - The Muslim call to prayer.
It's a favorite of the President, also.
North Texas State, Denton, Texas
Submitted by NC Boy on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:43pm.
A world-renowned center for the scholarly study of African and Middle East History. :)
Obama's to blame
Submitted by redherkey on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:43pm.
Hilliard is merely attempting to get ahead of what the left understands will be a serious blame game that pins this event firmly to the failed Presidency of Barack Obama. I've actually been expecting the commentary to begin from the analysts who understand these dynamics better.
Obama was warned that the extremely low troop levels would not only ensure instability within the Afghan communities, but also within U.S. military forces in country. Just as management experts understand that sustained levels of radically low employee staffing, combined with increasing stresses from production levels, cause the conditions for a worker to "go postal," the same conditions were almost certainly brought to the Commander-in-Chief's attention.
But even if he wasn't warned, any competent senior manager would know these risks. Obama rolled the political dice, betting the lives of soldiers and Afghani people in exchange for getting the political lift from an accelerated Afghanistan withdrawal plan. He gambled and lost. Now the blood is on his hands.
This is the story that needs to be followed. We have reports coming out of country as to how extremely stressed and demoralized our troops are in that they're being prevented from doing their jobs. Like Vietnam, bizarre political rules are driving the theater.
must be tenured
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:50pm.
From a personal profile of hers....
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/constance-hilliard/14/333/54b
"I am a historian of the Middle East and Africa. But I am also an educator and peace advocate, who has come to appreciate "ways of knowing" that differ from the Western model, in which we are taught to use our minds, alone. The mental tools of reason, analysis, and deduction are valuable beyond measure. But they cannot lead us to “truth,” because they cannot tell us when we are lying to ourselves. For that we must learn to read the physical sensations of our bodies, and train our minds to honor the knowledge that comes from experience. "
hhmmm.. methinks there's a few shingles loose on the roof.
Methinks....
Submitted by loxmyth on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:06am.
The whole roof has been stripped clean of shingles.....
When I was overseas, AFRTS
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 10:58pm.
When I was overseas, AFRTS also broadcast NPR. There was a guy on that base that was caught molesting a child. So using these idiot's tremendous reasoning power, NPR caused him to molest a kid.
Wrong. Limbaugh's expertise is in making pipe bombs.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:07pm.
He taught me and Reese all we need to know.
Rush don't teach automated rifled weaponry. He teaches the boom boom way.
Git yer facts straight peoples.
Of course it's Limbaugh
Submitted by MightyMouth on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:12pm.
Who else loves to see women and children killt to further his campaign of right wing desctruction on cunts and cunts that give live to retards, instead of killing retards. Anyone that would not kill a retard is a cunt and desrives a snl spot. And by the way any snl cunt that has their bay are selfish and adding to the population. How are you going to feed that lump of shit?
come on MM
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:29pm.
Watch the language dude. This is not like you.
Seriously
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:54pm.
WTH? Did someone hack MM's account or did MM start taking Poptech Pills(tm)?
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Nothing like locking in the man's comments...
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:59pm.
Whilst telling the man to watch his comments. Not like there are PM's for this kind of thing where you can tell a guy to notch it down a little because we know how he feels. But then, we don't know how he feels. We are too busy knocking Sen. Santorum for his comments about being a snob for going to college.
President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob,” said the former senator from Pennsylvania. “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image."
And oh look, the man was 100% dead on. This woman is busy indoctrinating our children. So let's smear Sen. Santorum with some more google crap when he is once again absolutely correct and then get another libturd troll to come around and tell us all how dangerous and stupid Sen. Santorum is.
Did Shawn run over your pet Cat?
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:02am.
We get it. You don't like him. Why is he wrong (about MM's language) in this instance, besides for the reason that you rabidly hate him?
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I did not say he was wrong about MM's language.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:14am.
I said he locked in the man's comments making him unable to edit the post. A PM could have alerted the man. The man could have then edited his post. I looked over my post. Twice. Just a sec.... Three times. Can't see where I said, or implied he was wrong about MM's language.
"Rabidly hate"? Whatever. Read whatever you want into my post. Then post it. Make sure you throw in the hate word too.
Only if there is a PM alert
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:33am.
If he does not check his pms he would never know. Yes rabid hate indeed.
Edit
Perhaps proof of when you said it was wrong to correct MMs language will be provided when you show where I said Santorum was dangerous and stupid
Shawnasm/vetism A fallacious argument where one attempts to change the subject by embarrassing or blackmailing an opponent by bringing up something the opponent said or did sometime in the past.
Yes. I am off topic. Therefore I lie.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:53am.
Sen. Santorum: “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image."
Tim Graham: The author is Constance Hilliard, a professor of African and Middle East History at North Texas University.
Don't know why I was so silly to make the connection. Oh dear, let me profusely apologize.
Sen. Santorum: ...some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them.
Tim Graham: ...a professor...
Yes. I will provide proof. Then I will jump through some hoops and smoke a cigarette like the good monkey you demand. Up yours troll.
Oh wait, I already linked to your smear. Or maybe you want to whine because that did not work too.
Shawn: Santorum has implied homosexuality is like incest an beastiality.
Oh Shawn, kindly back that up. Let's see the proof of when and where he said that.
Shawn (25 posts later): Fine. I will say he is implying gay men should not have sex with other gay men.
Oh I see
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 1:10am.
Santorum brought up Liberal professors so its all about Santorum. So I guess any thread we see about feces, or monkey pibbles is all about the vet?
Lol. Good night vet.
Edit
Maybe you can find posts I did in 2008 as well? All this can't be good for a man of your age And weight. Gotta watch that blood pressure dude.
You think I care?
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:26am.
I ain't posting it a sixth time. So pretend no one can scroll up or down with the mouse wheel and see I have been making the same connection between the Santorum snob comment and this professor in addition to your LIE about Santorum.
Whereas you and your buddy have taken it to a personal level once again. Whatever. Play your pretend games where you pretend I have done nothing but insult you as usual when in fact I was on my message in every single post.
Maybe you can get Free Stinker to whine about me some more now that you have come out with the vicious insults because I dared to talk out your lies, a professors lies, and Sen. Santorum talking about the propaganda your ilk spread.
Yeah you care
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:38am.
Hopefully you won't follow free around calling him a turd because I he had the nerve to point out what anybody would say if this went to a non biased arbitrator.
Hmmm maybe I should learn to post like you then we will have something in common. Maybe I will start on this very thread
What?
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:05am.
Arbitrator? Does this troll think we are in a contract dispute?
Whatever troll. You = balboa = liberal slurs about Sen. Santorum you found on the web. Sen. Santorum = the man pointing out one source for your slurs, a liberal college professor.
Yes. We do have something in common. I do a simple google search and point out the nasty liberal propaganda slurs of trolls. You remember something someone said in passing - I once told a troll I am fat and have gone though rehab. A slandering slurring troll just like you. Why did I say that? Because the troll was slandering and slurring Rush Limbaugh calling him fat and a drug user. So yeah, Rush Limbaugh is fat. And so am I. And I gave the troll a chance to toss the same insults at me. Sadly, the troll declined. But look what other troll took up his mantel.
Yeah troll. We have something in common. I am fat just like Rush Limbaugh. And I talk about the nature and content of your posts. Whereas you turn it personal every time. Whoopies. Looks like we ain't got something in common at all. The only one here you have something in common with is balboa --
Shawn: Santorum has implied homosexuality is like incest an beastiality.
balboa: It's kinda like calling someone a snob for wishing everyone could go to college!
Both of you think it is ok to us anonymous monikers to lie and slur about Republicans with real names.
Rush does not call people turds
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:20am.
and when he personally attacks somebody he apologizes for it. Yeah calling people turds is not personal, making fun of peoples mothers in hospice is not personal.
Huh?
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:30am.
Spam posts and now gibberish about mothers in hospices? Whatever. Make it personal and insane. I don't care.
Personal?
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:45am.
Didn't you make fun of ADK when he said he had to look after his mom when she was very very ill? Only a very mean spirited person would so something like that and you prove everyday that you are not here to debate, it is to get your jollies out by arguing with somebody.
Hey as long as people laugh you bring teh funnies, then that's all that matters.
Source it troll. You LIE again.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:56am.
And nice company you hang with. Do continue to point out mean things I said to long ago banned trolls. Or just make them up. Whatever.
Yes I hang out with him
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:02am.
because I disagree with what you said on that topic. So let me ask you, are you saying you did not make fun of terminally ill mothers, or mothers that were in prison or call QueenMum a shriveled up old prune?
Back it up troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:08am.
shawnwahs: ...making fun of peoples mothers in hospice is not personal.
I am picking on you by forcing you to constantly make posts about what I said to a troll? Now I am forcing you to remember what I said to Queenmum and a poster that slurred the Pope AND WAS BANNED FOR IT. Oh dear, so sorry.
LOL. Which sick Mom was that?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:58am.
The black mom, the Polish Catholic mom or the secular Jew mom?
Or maybe it was the Mom whose son was:
• a woman
• a man
• a parent
• a non-parent
• a dive instructor
• a veteran
• a dog owner
• a cat owner
• a logistics specialist
• a Gay
• a Straight
• a lifeguard
• a Hollywood studio accountant
JWF self serving post number 5. Wow. Tommy Gun?
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:08am.
This is where, I get my jollies out. You iz a turd shawn228. turd turd turd. I iz no try to gets my angerz out on yous and calls you teh trolliez cuz iz frustrated middle agez manz, I callz you outz cuz, I iz teh job of teh trollegen to getz the trollies, and has nothing to do with wanting people to feed my ego to make me feel more important.
You think I never stay on topic shawn388 even though you took out the numbers years ago, I don't change the topic, every thread is about cop killers because that is what I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I RUN THIS THREAD AND NOBODY CAN POST WITHOUT RESPECTING ME. If you disagree with me then you agree with the cop killers.
Well I figure the C word is not very nice
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:22am.
Your first link does not work and you are off topic with Santorum because you are using your own Shawnado. Using a link from June 2011? Are never happy unless you pick a fight? You are the last person that should talk about criticizing other peoples posts.
Yes. My link don't work.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:41am.
Therefore it is a lie.
I didn't say it was a lie
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:45am.
I said it does not work. Santorum has nothing to do with this thread. Mr Graham is an extremely patient man seeing all of the threads ruined by your temper tantrums.
Iz notta troll mizzer. Juz wanyou to esplain it 5 times.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:54am.
Sen. Santorum: “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image."
Tim Graham: The author is Constance Hilliard, a professor of African and Middle East History at North Texas University.
Sen. Santorum: ...some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them.
Tim Graham: ...a professor...
Pliz mizzer monkeyman, logic, it confuses trollizez.
JWF self serving post number 3 Wow a trilogy any ewoks around?
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:49am.
Tis is teh pat Ven I tuk lak teh gurl fom Furst Blud Pat too. Lambo yu no expenable. I iz no meenz spirtiez person, I iz good gy. Respect me, I iz the vet, and talk about the monkey people, biird people, testicle people and green people
JWF self serving post number 4. Any tall Russians around?
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:52am.
ME, I GET RID OF THE TROLLS ITS ME NWAHS, ADK, ZIPPERS THEY ARE ALL GONE BECAUSE OF ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!
RESPECT ME OR I WILL LEAVE!!!!
REALLY I REALLY MEAN IT I WILL LEAVE
CAN SOMEBODY SPEAK UP FOR ME/
Is anybody there?
Hello?
Really my feewings are really hurtz
LOTS OF PMS SUPPORTING ME EVERYBODY, SO I WILL GRACE EVERYBODY AND STAY AND GET RID OF THE TROLLS!!!
Sorry Shawn
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:03am.
Its not working, The Vet is a premiere troll buster on NB. He always has the links to back up what he says.
Do not doubt that many of us do indeed <3 The Vet.
Of course Rad
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:16am.
I understand its perfectly okay with you for him to call me a troll simply because I pointed out language I believe you hate and call out too.
He chases me around everywhere because he has some sort of score to settle, anyone not on NB looking in can see that he is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Sorry Rad, I agree he backs up his point some of the time, but the chasing after people and ruining threads for his own amusement is silly.
Troll Bible - New Testament.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:24am.
13. Claim you are being stalked on an open public website. Dead Zippers: ...Says Newsbusters' resident stalker. . ... You have a sick, sick obsession with me. shawnwahs: He chases me around everywhere...
Nope
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:28am.
People should be allowed to post on this site as long as they stay on topic and are respectful. I have not got one warning from the mods since I joined, however It surprises me that they will let you run your turd mouth at every chance.
The conversation with the voices in your head distracting you?
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:05am.
I point out it is kinda hard to stalk people on a public website but it appears easy to make the accusation, lot's of trolls do. Your response is gibberish about mods and turd mouth's. Whatever.
Ok everybody. Time for me to confess.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 03/14/2012 - 5:16am.
I am a stalker and I stalked poor little shawn right onto this page.
shawnwahs: Hopefully you won't follow free around calling him... ... He chases me around everywhere... ... ...chasing after people and...
I had an ESP premonition that shawn would post here so I posted FIRST in order to stalk him when he followed me on.
*****
Wrong. Limbaugh's expertise is in making pipe bombs.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:07pm.
*****
come on MM
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:29pm.
*****
I really should stop stalking people by coming here and posting before they do. It is really bad of me to do that and I have made a resolution to stop posting before people so as not to stalk them. Because posting before people arrive is wrong and I admit it.
Here is a thought, troll. Stop lying like a troll, maybe I will stop calling you a troll.
Of course it's Limbaugh
Submitted by MightyMouth on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:12pm.
Who else loves to see women and children killt to further his campaign of right wing desctruction on cunts and cunts that give live to retards, instead of killing retards. Anyone that would not kill a retard is a cunt and desrives a snl spot. And by the way any snl cunt that has their bay are selfish and adding to the population. How are you going to feed that lump of shit?
Cajun is confused again*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:14pm.
Why are we discussing this idiot? Why are we not trying to find out why this Sgt was sent back into combat after a physical and missed the fact that he has brain damage? Is the poor health care of our military due to Obama's cuts? Is it because our soldiers are tired? Is it because he is releasing 150,000 military personnel and the burdens have increased on the front lines?
Someone with more knowledge of our military and combat should be looking into this. Not some idiot race baiter who lives in elitist ideological academia.
Sadly. To push us over the edge too.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:36pm.
Constance Hilliard is an Associate Professor of History. This woman is filling America's young adult's heads with her brand of liberal propaganda.
In the meantime, we get partisan hyperlibtard turd trolls like balboa whining because Sen. Santorum thinks we ought not be letting these people propagandize our children.
President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob,” said the former senator from Pennsylvania. “There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image."
But yeah, Sen. Santorum is some kind of ass for claiming liberal college professors try to indoctrinate our children. And we are some kind of ass for knocking this cop killer loving troll back into his place.
JWF self serving post part two. Yo Adrian I did it
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 8:45am.
Here is the part where you link something that has nothing to do with the thread but try to make it your own.
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What? So teh Vet has issues and has to take it out of the viscous viscous turd trolls so what, the Vet is loved by EVERYBODY!
sorry shawn*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:06am.
That was ugly and personal. If you wish to make The Vet look bad, you should have taken the high road. Now you have done the same you accuse him of doing. This is not how to win THIS fight. Not only did you insult The Vet, but other posters as well. If you are looking for the proper tactics to fight a stalker, talk to Jer.
I did not call out MM for his awful post because it was not like him normally. I assumed maybe one too many martinis. But there are posters who regularly use personel insults and vulgarity and some of us will call them out. Much like The Vet who cannot tolerate liars. He will call out the lies but unlike many posters, he backs up his arguments with verifiable and credible sources. Those of us who are familiar with The Vets MO, see him as a vital resource at NB. Who cares what passer bys think..
I dont always understand the Iz de monkeypeepez troll killa stuff but I certainly adore his ability to trap liars in their regular scheduled trolling.
If you walk onto a shooting range, don't complain when you get shot at.
Cajun
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:20am.
I always try to take the high road. Out of respect to you this will be my last post on this thread.
Miss Hilliard is spouting
Submitted by BD on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:45pm.
Miss Hilliard is spouting typical leftist pacifist tripe and nonsense. Her statement of....
“The paradox for our militarist society is this. If we didn't dehumanize our enemies, then they wouldn't be "enemies." We would work to understand where they're coming from. "
... fails on its face because people in my profession spend inordinant amounts of time doing just that. I have probably spent more time studying the goals, aspirations, and desires of various members of AQ than Miss Hilliard has spent in her chosen field studying Africa.
The understanding I have of those particular elements of AQ's psyche do not cause me to be less hostile towards AQ. Far from it, they engneder even greater desires to cause them to assume room temperature as soon as is practicable.
One whose mantra is "To understand all, is to forgive all" has never really understood the black heart of someone like Isnilon Hapilon, Abu Soliaman, or Abu Sabaya. If they did they would be assisting me in loading magazines.....
Caj, this is part of the problem.
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:54am.
The doctor in this article was in charge of the system at Madigan Army Med Center, which is at Joint Base Lewis-McCord. That's the same base the sergeant is from, the sergeant who had TBI, but was deemed fit for deployment. I think, if anyone really looks into this, the problem will go far deeper than 14 soldiers.
Thank you upnorth*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:09am.
I knew I could depend on you for accurate information. I also have learned that this Sgt was involved in a "roll over" in 2010 and was injured. Yet,since then, he has had two more deployments. Serious incompetence put an American soldier at great risk. Unfortunately, the damage now extends to innocent civilians. This man should not be prosecuted nor persecuted, he is an example of everything wrong with politics interfering with military.
We also serve
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:32am.
who only post occasionally, Caj.
I think the "roll over" may have been the cause of his TBI. It's strange that they're digging out his medical history, yet haven't named him. And, why is the media allowed access to his medical history in the first place?
As far as "prosecuted nor persecuted", the Army has to prosecute him. The media and the left will see to the persecution.
I saw a news report on the punishments meted out in prior incidents. The anchorette was in high dudgeon because only one sergeant from Haditha got 3 months, she even failed to mention that SGT Wuterich's punishment was for dereliction of duty, not murder, like Murtha and the left wanted. Of course, there was no mention at all of the punishments meted out to the "Kill Squad" for their murders. Just as an aside, the Kill Squad also came from Joint Base Lewis McCord.
It is strange.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:46am.
Not to denigrate the effects of accidents and rollovers and the nasty effects on the human body. But most pervasive cases of TBI are from bomb blasts. Where the concussive effect of the blast rapidly moves the brain pan while the soft tissue that is the brain inside is forced into the sides of the skull, possibly bouncing back and forth. As there is a cuncussive wave out, and then another one back to fill the vacuum created by the blast.
This piecemeal leak of tiny details is strange. Millions of soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen have gone through theaters in the past decade, with 10's of thousands of injuries. This piecemeal leaks of stuff about TBI and number of deployments is kinda creepy. Kinda like going back to the way Vietnam vets were perceived as being damaged by the war. Normal people don't go nuts and start killing civilians no matter how bad they have had it in deployments or with injuries.
I agree. There will be an investigation and we will learn the truth in time.
Thanks guys for your input*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:05am.
Something very strange is going on with our military in many areas. I dont understand a lot of it but I do read about it because I have 3 members of my family who are disabled Vets and I have 5 members of my family career military. I recently learned , because of rule changes?, two of them are being "forced" to retire. What the hell is going on guys?
Libs hate the military and
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 11:21am.
Libs hate the military and want to weaken it. After all, the real enemy of peace is the USA, so Liberals tell us.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
"Force to retire."
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:43pm.
Uncle 'bama is reducing our troop numbers just like they did in '92. He is shrinking our armed forces to save a proverbial nickle in the budget.
Vet, Free, Cajun
Submitted by MrShy on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 4:12pm.
Yes, and we know how it went on the global stage after Russia dismantled and we finally had world peace in 1992 and started drawing down.....
*cue circus music*
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Vet, yes I agree. I see
Submitted by BD on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:49pm.
Vet, yes I agree. I see little link between TBI and mental illness.
I also fear that we will see a return to the Hollywood based perception that returning US soldiers will be out of control psychopaths that we had to suffer through in the 1970-90's.
The evidence completely contradicted the perception in that Vietnam Vets had a lower rate of mental illness than personnel who did not serve, but that was not important when a good fictional story could be told.
And now we are gonna see it come back in spades.
"a war whose rationale nobody even remembers any more"
Submitted by Fredy on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:15pm.
" ...a war whose rationale nobody even remembers any more ..."
How stupid does a Constance Hilliard need to be to NOT remember 9/11?
This person should not be attempting to teach anything. In fact, he should be sent directly to a psychiatric ward for examination.
Those of us who fight the
Submitted by BD on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:52pm.
Those of us who fight the fight know exactly why we fight. I am sorry if Hilliard has so little understanding that she can no longer remember.
Perhaps a quick trip to a COP on the Pakistani Border is in order for our academic to clarify her understanding?
If it was mentioned in this article, or comments, I missed it...
Submitted by PhillyBillE on Mon, 03/12/2012 - 11:33pm.
...but doesn't anyone find it odd that no name has been released for Sergeant Soldier Shooter yet?
I find it creepy that not only is the story advancing with an array of vague descriptors for the gunman, but no major outlet is making a point of pressing just who is it the Afghan government is pressing to try publicly by name yet.
CBT
Submitted by CJohnson on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:30am.
Maybe he embraced Derrick Bell, believing dominance over subordinates in the military was another case of white supremacy over blacks.
This is the kind of crap Sen.
Submitted by lesterwink23 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 7:57am.
This is the kind of crap Sen. Santorum was talking about...students getting indoctrinated instead of educated by crusty old militants turned professors with a grudge against Whitey and Wall St. I had a history professor once who referred to Fox News as "Fixed News" and I took an F rather than go to another one of his classes.
JWF self serving post number 1
Submitted by shawn. on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 9:09am.
Ok this is the part where you accuse somebody of being another identity. Hey Vetech. Stop being Pop Tech. Are you Pop Tech. Time to call you Veticular Techology. Why do you hate Palin so much hmmmm? Why the hate? Why the hate?
Has anyone noticed that if a koran is burned,
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 10:18am.
or a cartoon of Mohammed is published, muslims will riot and hundreds will die.
If 16 muslims are murdered in cold blood by a U.S. soldier, muslims could care less.
This is the culture that cares nothing for human life.
It is intersting when you
Submitted by BD on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:55pm.
It is intersting when you consider that the taliban killed far more than 16 innocent civilians during their reign of terror, yet they are vowing revenge?
I briefly had a notion
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 12:31pm.
to go over to Kos and be a troll.
But I didnt want to sink to their level, or the level of a troll.
So I guess they'll have to make do without my enlightened input.
Incredible!
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 2:04pm.
Incredible! This woman actually believes that solders, trained to ignore extraneous stimuli and obey only the commands of their officers, both commissioned and non-commissioned, can actually be influenced by a voice on the radio!
Hay, Lady, as a veteran, I can tell you, with great accuracy, that you may need that tin foil hat to shield you from the mind controlling influence that radio has over you, but our solders do not.
By the way, Lady, outside of a campus lecture hall, there's no such thing as a "captive audience," not when every single solder has their own mp3 player and earphones! The days of a single radio being played in a "GP Medium" tent are long over. They died when the Walkman was invented.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
hunter
Submitted by sngnsgt on Tue, 03/13/2012 - 5:07pm.
Wasn't it John Kerry that walked into a sporting goods store and asked: "Can I get me a huntin' liscense here?" I blame the haughty one.