Crew of 'The View' Trash Pope, Social Conservatives as 'Inhumane' and 'Un-Christian'
On Tuesday's edition of The View on ABC, the ladies once again held a completely unanimous liberal discussion on gay marriage, with the alleged conservative Elisabeth Hasselbeck leading the denunciation of social conservatives, including Pope Benedict. On Monday, Pope Benedict spoke up for the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman, but nowhere in the address did he actually discuss the concept of gay marriage. It was more of a pro-life message.
But no one at The View reads original transcripts. "Someone wasn't invited to Elton John's wedding," Joy Behar joked. “Someone’s ticked off.” Hasselbeck chimed in. "I think a big mistake that people make, in saying that something works against humanity to me seems quite inhumane. I was raised Catholic, I consider myself Christian now, but I’ll probably get some letters after today," Hasselbeck said. [Video follows]
"I think about my marriage, and gay marriage doesn't affect my marriage. You know what affects my marriage? Divorce,” said Hasselbeck. “So for people to actually say that gay marriage is harming marriage and the idea of marriage to me seems inhumane...and at the same time doesn’t seem to make sense."
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“Un-Christian,” muttered Whoopi Goldberg in the middle of Hasselbeck’s last sentence.
ABC could have invited a Catholic expert with TV experience -- say, George Weigel or Raymond Arroyo -- to discuss the Vatican view on these matters, but they seem to prefer to make uninformed and unanimous remarks.
ABC producers were probably relying on press reports like Philip Pullella of Reuters, whose headline was "Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope". But there is no reference to homosexuality or gay marriage in the remarks, just the promotion of traditional marriage. See the Pope's remarks in context, and see how it's more of a pro-life passage. He was talking about young people and their educational settings:
Among these, pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman. This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself. The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and States; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue.
It is in the family that we become open to the world and to life and, as I pointed out during my visit to Croatia, “openness to life is a sign of openness to the future”. In this context of openness to life, I note with satisfaction the recent sentence of the Court of Justice of the European Union forbidding patenting processes relative to human embryonic stem cells, as well as the resolution of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe condemning prenatal selection on the basis of sex.
More generally, and with particular reference to the West, I am convinced that legislative measures which not only permit but at times even promote abortion for reasons of convenience or for questionable medical motives compromise the education of young people and, as a result, the future of humanity.
You could still be an outraged liberal abortion advocate about these remarks. But they don't match the framing of liberal wire services like Reuters.
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Elisabeth Hasselbeck now
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:41am.
Elisabeth Hasselbeck now joins the liberal honor roll of "devout Catholics."
Oh, scratch that. She's not Catholic now, she considers herself "Christian." She was "raised" Catholic. I guess she "evolved."
And they don't need no stinking transcripts to bash the Pope!
They know he's an inhumane bigot!
Motherbelt, Hasselback's
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:06am.
Motherbelt,
Hasselback's comments is a bit ridiculous to say the least. Not to mention that we Roman Catholics ARE Christians.
Her statement as well as position of most pro-gay "marriage" individuals is based on what is known as false compassion. We live in a nation, culture where how an individual feels is more important than doing what is Right and Moral.
Thanks for printing the Pope's statement
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:42am.
it proves how ignorant these women are, because there is nothing arguable in defending the family unit.
Not Midday Semester
Submitted by Tim Graham on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:46am.
If there's anything we've learned about "The View" and their social commentary, it seems based on nothing more than two minutes reading (or having two minutes read TO them in the makeup chair). This is not Midday Semester.
Double
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:44am.
.
To me...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:13am.
...gay "marriage" doesn't make any sense!
And to insinuate that the RCC is inhumane or anti-Christian is laughable. Somebody round up the View crew and let them in on the gag. The more they dis the RCC, the more they show people how ignorant they really are.
It's not just the RCC that frowns on the concept of gay "marriage", but most of Christianity, as well as Judaism, not to mention Muslims, don't take too kindly on the notion either. Why keep bashing the RCC as if they are the only ones standing against gay "marriage"? Maybe it's some kind of a badge of honor acknowledging the leadership the RCC is showing. Usually it's the point men in a front line of a batallion that gets shot first.
I was raised a Catholic, left the church during my teen years and early adulthood, but then I grew up and decided to go back precisely because of the position of the Catholic Church on issues such as abortion and gay marriage.
The time when I decided to go back was roughly the same period when the debate about gay marriage was taking place up here, and it began to dawn on me that the media was lying. I began to ask myself "What else could the media be lying about?" That's when I realized that the RCC was right all along... about abortion, contraception, and gay marriage. I don't know what else the church may be right about, but that's when I decided that the church is a far more reliable authority on social issues than the media.
And I don't want the trolls to start responding to this by eluding to pedophile priests yet again. It seems that whenver a liberal wants to discredit the RCC's position on social issues, and they can't come up with a winning argument, they always play the pedophile card -- much like the Dumbocrats play the race card. After a while, it starts to lose it's effectiveness.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Welcome Home.
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 12:02pm.
Welcome Home.
Ho he ho he ho he ho
Submitted by John Francroix Jr on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:24pm.
Laughable, to say the least.
What is the Christian argument against same sex marriage?
It leads to pedophilia.
No pervert priests required.
It seems
Submitted by misterbee241 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:21am.
the constant exposure to the harpies of The View are finally indoctrinating Liz. She never could really hold her own anyway. She was way too lightweight in her worldview.
Hey, Liz - can you honestly tell me that two men standing before the alter of God and "marrying" each other is ok with you? How can they reproduce after their own kind? Without a woman, they cant.
Have you even read the Bible?
Heterosexuals make enough of a mockery of marriage. We dont need any help from anybody else.
where they belong
Submitted by spepper on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:32am.
The "View crew" should really consider using one of the old sets from the TV Show "Hee Haw", because they belong in a HEN HOUSE.....
Hasselbeck
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:36am.
Can you say "Stockholm Syndrome"?
Excellent!
Submitted by Restless Legs on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:38am.
Excellent!
Perfect!
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:59am.
Perfect!
Yep. It's also called "the
Submitted by celator on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:28pm.
Yep. It's also called "the seduction of the environment". Same deal. You become like the people you hang around with.
delete
Submitted by celator on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:30pm.
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Yet, they NEVER teach God's commandments.
Submitted by Slyrr on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:42am.
The View long ago ceased to be worth watching, if indeed it was EVER worth watching. The show has become a dumping ground for failed Hollywood D-list women, where the entertainment industry sends it's aging starlets to die. I'm convinced that they created this show specifically to keep people like Wawa Wawa and 'Rape-Rape' Whoopi from ending up on skid row since no one ever watches their shows or movies. How else could these ugly, talentless prunes keep collecting a paycheck? And of course, vomiting liberal dogma like gay marriage.
If these women believed on God or his commandments half as much as they're pretending to, why don't they cite some of them on the show? Are they afraid? If salvation comes by the gospel of Christ, how come they never share it with their viewers? Why do they never recite, for example, the 10 commandments? Or the Sermon on the Mount? Are they scared to hear exactly how many of God's commandments they're breaking - while at the same time putting words in God's mouth that he 'approves' of homosexuality?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Submitted by MightyMouth on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:54am.
Liz, please come back to the light!!
Earth to Hasselbeck
Submitted by katiejane on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:57am.
Catholics ARE Christians.
Ummmm...yea.... Where does
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:58am.
Ummmm...yea....
Where does she get her information that Catholics are not Christians???
I have a pretty good idea, but out of respect I will hold my comment.
She was baptized Catholic therefore she will always be Catholic. You are only baptized once.(as long as it is a valid Trinitarian baptism) All the other 'baptisms' after the first one are you just getting your hair washed.
Blessings.
She knows what she's doing (saying).
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 12:24pm.
All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.
When she says "Christian" she means "not a Catholic."
oh when oh when are people going to get this right...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:47pm.
Being a Christain doesn't have anything to do with being a Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc.
It's all about a personal relationship with the Creator Himself... He said so.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
I don't think anyone died
Submitted by katiejane on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 2:05pm.
to make YOU the final decider on what it takes to be a Christian.
Someone did die for me...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 2:12pm.
...and it's that same someone whom I quote.
It's what He said, not me.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Christians
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:50pm.
Being a Christian merely means that one recognizes Jesus Christ as the son of God, who died on the Cross to pay for the sins of man, and that He is the Savior and as we are ALL sinners, if we acknowledge these facts and repent of our sins, we are saved and will gain entrance unto Heaven. All the other stuff is merely rituals and dogma that is not relevant to the essentials. Christians recognize and worship our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Hence, the name "Christianity"......
Let's remember that the purpose here
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:57pm.
Is not to debate faith. It is to highlight liberal media bias, which is often directed against Christianity as a whole. It serves no one to argue the tenants of religion here.
???
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:06pm.
Pardon me for responding to a post. Are you the moderator??
No Joe
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:24pm.
But I am aware of the terms of use. Posts are to be relevant to the topic of the thread. Also, religious arguments are not allowed if it's an argument over the tenants of the religion.
I am free to voice my opinion on this just as you are. I was making a request, not giving an order.
No Rad
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 6:24pm.
"Crew of 'The View' Trash Pope, Social Conservatives as 'Inhumane' and 'Un-Christian'"
Seems to me that the topic of the thread was what was "Un-Christian"....My post was hardly a religious argument, madam.
need to read your Bible...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:46pm.
need to read your Bible...
Not a single infant baptism. It's supposed to come after one makes a personal confession of faith... not something your parents can do for you. Or at least that's what Jesus said anyway.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
That is your own personal
Submitted by Soldat44 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 3:33pm.
That is your own personal opinion. Not of the Roman Catholic Church or most mainstream Protestant faiths.
It's just your own opinion and interpretation.
Not of the Roman Catholic Church or most mainstream Protestant..
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:26pm.
Not of the Roman Catholic Church or most mainstream Protestant faiths.
Actually you may be right, but my research wasn't with them but the Bible.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc, the only thing your
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:35pm.
vrwc, the only thing your research with the bible tells you is that in Jesus' time, only adults were baptized. There is no reason given for that, nor does Jesus ever specify.
There is also no indication that the early Christians after Christ's death either did or didn't baptize infants. It's unknown.
So I'd say yes, it's your opinion.
Let's be careful of what we add, we were warned about this...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:57pm.
My opinion is that there are 3 major aspects of the Bible:
Principles are set by precedent, context. Yes, in Jesus' time only adults were baptized, setting a precedent/context. Man, religion has later added things like infant baptism just like the religious rulers of Jesus' time did(added things) and boy did he get pissed at them for doing that.
Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is a choice by an individual, not their parents or someone else. Otherwise how would you argue for a Muslim, Hindu, or other leaving the 'faith of their fathers' to become a Christian?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
You say in your opinion there
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:18pm.
You say in your opinion there are three major aspects of the bible. Then you go on to say what we must and mustn't do. Do you not see the contradiction?
Are you saying Jews shouldn't circumcise infant males; that they should decide when they get older, say, as part of the Bar Mitzvah?
If one doesn't believe in Original Sin, there is no need for infant Baptism.
I can only speak for Catholics: we are baptized into Christ as infants; later, we "confirm" that we wish to be adult members of the Church.
I will addresss the one 'I believe' is most important...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:42pm.
I can only speak for Catholics: we are baptized into Christ as infants; later, we "confirm" that we wish to be adult members of the Church.
Here's my struggle with that:
Jesus did not baptize infants, and as important as some make this, wouldn't He have if it was important?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc13, Your personal
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:41pm.
vrwc13,
Your personal interpretation of the Bible is interesting and thought provoking. However, as it has been stated, it is your opinion. Unless you can prove infallibility when it comes to the Bible, your interpretation of the Bible is fallible.
I agree with some of your points, like being a member of a church does not save you. Only your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Savior does. Of course this latter statement means a heck of a lot, but it is a true statement. Below is a good answer as to why Catholics baptize babies. It is not mine, but I agree with it.
I am more than willing to continue this discussion, but prefer it to be through PM since NB policy says that discussions pro or against any religion are not permitted. Take care and thanks for your insightful thoughts on Christianity.
" it would be the best thing you could do for a baby. Baptism is a grace from God, not something we do for God. Grace does not depend on our intellectual achievements any more than it depends on any other human achievement. This is one of the many ironies inherent in opposition to the ancient Christian practice of infant baptism. To refuse baptism to a baby on the grounds that "the child isn’t able to understand what is happening" is to presume that God gives grace only to those who are smart or old enough to figure out how to get it. This is an implicit assumption of salvation by intellectual works specifically condemned by Scripture and Catholic teaching."
Elizabeth, Catholics are CHRISTIAN
Submitted by ohio granny on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:11am.
Guess she has been exposed to the lies of her cohorts for so long she no longer knows what is truth or what is fiction. Catholics are CHRISTIANS. Both prostestants and Catholics are CHRISTIANS.
Agree with it or not the Bible does refer to man lying with man as an abomination. And from mans earliest days you needed both a man and a woman to have children. And unless cloning becomes more advanced you still need sperm and egg to conceive.
Families with both a father and a mother is still the ideal way to raise children.
Once again
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:44am.
What the left is doing is not creating something called "gay marriage." They are changing the legal definition of the word "marriage."
Once that is accomplished nationwide, there will be no ground left to hold when others want to change the legal definitions of "consenting" and "adult." It may take another 50 years, as it has to bring homosexuality from a mental disorder to a separate species that's deserving of special rights and praise from all manner of public officials.
Lizzie
Submitted by Jersey Girl on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 12:10pm.
Can't imagine anyone writing a letter to Lizzie. That would presume that she can read.
Wow what orators thery are. Love the logic too.
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 12:27pm.
Sounds like they are being "inhumane" with their bullying (where are the OTHER views, guess "THE" VIEW is accurate!), judgemental mischaracterization, misunderstanding of Christians & Christian doctrine which shows their OWN hypocrisy. Too afraid to have a rational discussion of the facts and basis? Then Whooper mentions other religions which more than likely all condemn the practice also. But discuss that? No!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Elizabeth
Submitted by rusino on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:24pm.
The Kool Aid she drinks on The View has finally pickled her brain.
the view
Submitted by angelann1 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 1:39pm.
they should be called "the perverted view"!
Ummm....
Submitted by pvoce on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 2:53pm.
"I was raised Catholic, I consider myself Christian now, but I’ll probably get some letters after today,"
And somehow you weren't before? So much for the "Body of Christ"....
I'm sure His Holiness isn't taking it too hard
Submitted by Matthew Philbin on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 3:20pm.
After all, "The View" makes his job easier by proving the existence of hell five days a week.
Hasselbeck is as "christian" as Whoopi was Roman Catholic
Submitted by lrgon on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 3:56pm.
in Sister Act.
Mrs. Hasslebeck, the word "catholic" is derived from the Greek word Katholikos.The word Catholic has come to mean the christian universal church. Your evolution devolved into ignorance.
Wa-wa's idea that marriage is a cheap affair that two men or two women can run down to laboratory to purchase their "family" is a vile and stupid interpretation of marriage and a "family." Barbara,Elton John is just a modern-day escapee from Sodom not a family man.
Jesus turned the water into wine at a Jewish marriage ceremony so that the guests would have something to toast the celebration between one man and one woman.
Do we have to go back to the Old Testament to show that "marriage" was defined by God? Or to Florida and the 1970's orange juice industry spokesman Anita Bryant that said that "God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Bruce" to show The View panalists that for Jews and Christians marriage has already been defined?
Sorry, Whoopi, but, the Zorastrians whom you mention believed in a struggle between good and evil. They fought this evil by a daily ritual of "good thoughts, good words, good deeds." Their "end times" prophesy depicted a world in which mankind will lose its reverence for religion, family, and elders.
The View panelists have allies unfortunately among TV pastors who are sneaking in The Views' views on marriage. Television rockstar preachers like sicky sweet Joel Olsteen and CFR politician/preacher Rick Warren water down the Gospel and God's teaching on homosexuality and marriage.
Reason??
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:41pm.
And the reason those TV preachers favor the View's view on marriage and the family?? MONEY. But, as you have alluded to, this has all been a part of Biblical Prophecy as it relates to the End of Times as presented in the Book of Revelation. A MUST read for those of us living in this exciting moment in time.
Why do we put up with this?
Submitted by lrgon on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:17pm.
Hasselbeck is supposed to to be the counter-weight argument; standing for conservative values. But look how easily she's manipulated to step in line with liberals on the show.
It was not that long ago that shows like The View, pushing their anti-family "values," would not have even made it past the front office let alone get on the air spewing lies and ignorance displayed ad absurdum. But modern-day Babylon's spokesmen in MSM intimidate the weak ones like Elizabeth.
The "Ministry of Truth," (media) to quote George Orwell's book 1984, have done an amazingly successful reworking of the American mind. American fear retributions from the worshipers of Babylon more than God in Heaven. Being labeled a "bigot" or getting fired is a small price to pay when defending Jesus and His Word from the deceivers of the world, even these light weights at The View!
found this on HuffPo?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:23pm.
Don't ask how I got there.
Was going to post this on the openthread but it fits better here:
Why You're Not Married
Between the 5 of them there have been 12 marriages(and one 'relationship') and nine divorces.
Does this fit?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
That's actually a pretty
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:57pm.
That's actually a pretty good assessment of the reasons why women who aren't married, aren't. If you ignore the snark of the over-simplified headings, she actually delves into the character defects that defeat a woman's desire for marriage.
For instance, under "you're a bitch" she says The deal is: most men just want to marry someone who is nice to them.
She castigates "liars" for telling men they're not really interested in a serious relationship, because they know it will scare them off.
Regarding "shallow" she says...if you were looking for a man of character, you would have found one by now. Men of character are, by definition, willing to commit.
All in all, it's meant to show women that if they really want to get married, there are things they should be doing (or not doing). And if they're doing otherwise, they don't really want to get married.
The only one I disagree with is using a baby to weed out non-marriage men.
I went to the link
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 5:39pm.
And I can't help but wonder why liberal women find it something to be ashamed of to want to be married. Do the feminazis really teach that wanting to love a man, have him love you back, and take care of each other is a lessening of a woman? Talk about bass ackward.
Conversion
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:30pm.
It has been proven that people who submit themselves to another culture or population that has different accents to speech or views on various issues, tend to adapt to the dominating force. For example, as a native Californian moving to Texas a year and a half ago, I find myself speaking with quite a pronounced Texas drawl, developed during my day to day co-existence with these wonderful people. Clearly, Elisabeth Hasselback is experiencing the same phenomena, as she is becoming more liberal and more vapidly progressive with each appearance on "The spew".......Unfortunate, indeed.....
Propaganda works...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:44pm.
been proven that people who submit themselves to another culture or population that has different accents to speech or views on various issues, tend to adapt to the dominating force
And it's been proven by the continual shift to the left of this country's voters because of the onslaught of the Liberal Media Bias. One only needs to view this to see where it's having it's greatest impact.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
yep
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 4:58pm.
You are correct. And that is precisely why our Nation is in decline. The United States of America does NOT figure prominently in End of Times Prophecy, either. That is why I believe that, in spite of everything, Barack Obama will gain another term, either legally or otherwise, and our country will become as insignificant as Venezuela on the world stage. This is in no way a prediction of doom & gloom, either. It is evidence, in my view, that the rapture of The Church is imminent, as is the Great Tribulation. Definitely exciting times in which to live. We, as Christians, merely need to prepare for increased mockery, vilification and persecution, and stand strong in our faith. We know who wins in the end, anyway. Do we not??