Will Your 11-Year-Old Boy Get Cancer from Gay Sex? Networks Avoid Angle As They Push HPV Shots
An advisory panel to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that the HPV vaccine be given to boys aged 11 to 12, and not just girls. Why? Boys aren’t at risk of cervical cancer.
Gardiner Harris’s front-pager at the New York Times Wednesday eventually explained (on page A-16) that “controversy is likely to intensify with the committee’s latest recommendation because many cancers in men result from homosexual sex.” But the medical correspondents on TV couldn't manage any scientific accuracy on this matter. Instead, the gay angle was completely missing from network TV coverage:
ABC had no specifics on Tuesday’s World News:
DIANE SAWYER: And, of course, right here at home, last night, rich told us that the government was about to recommend that all of America's boys as well as girls get the vaccine against the HPV virus, linked to cancers and possibly even heart disease. Well, today, it's official. A key advisory panel to the CDC recommended boys ages 11 and 12 and young men ages 13 to 21 be vaccinated. Not just girls, who, as we know, are at risk for cervical cancer.
On Monday’s World News, correspondent Dr. Richard Besser told of a man “married 21 years” getting throat cancer from HPV. “Phil's case is one of more than 8,500 HPV-positive head and neck cancers this year, a number that's increased dramatically over the last decade. They think men are getting it from women, getting the virus through oral sex or other forms of close contact.” Some may, but that's not the only mode of sexual transmission.
CBS Evening News assigned medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook to the report, but he skipped troubling specifics:
PELLEY: Government health experts made a controversial recommendation today about the vaccine for the human papilloma virus or HPV. Routine vaccinations are already recommended for girls beginning at age 11. but today the federal panel said that boys should be vaccinated as well. We asked Dr. Jon LaPook to look into this.
DR. JON LAPOOK: Susie Silver was the head of the CDC recommendation. Last year she made sure her son Bennett got his first HPV vaccine when he was 12. And her reasons were clear.
SILVER: I`m making sure that he`s safe. Making sure that the women that he`s with in the future are safe.
LAPOOK: HPV is spread through sexual contact. It is linked to cancer. The vaccine is effective in preventing cervical cancer in females and anal cancer and genital warts in both sexes.
NBC’s Dr. Nancy Snyderman offered the same spin:
Millions of girls have already received the HPV vaccine, and today the Centers for Disease Control expanded those same recommendations to include boys. Under guidelines approved today, the CDC recommends all boys 11 to 12 years old be vaccinated, three doses over the course of six months, to prevent HPV and HPV-related diseases. Why so early? The vaccine needs to be given before a young person becomes sexually active to give the body a chance to build antibodies to fight HPV if a person is exposed.
Each year there are 18,000 HPV-related cancers in women, mostly cervical cancers, and 7,000 HPV-related cancers in men. Last month the virus was linked to mouth and throat cancers, and in a report released just yesterday, new research links HPV to the number one killer of women: cardiovascular disease.
This politically correct vagueness unfolded repeatedly with CNN medical correspondent Dr. Elizabeth Cohen. At 10 am Tuesday, they suggested controversy, but only about the safety of the vaccine:
KYRA PHILLIPS: We'll get to the controversy in just a second.
COHEN: All right. Three reasons to recommend it to boys. One, boys, when they get HPV, the human papillomavirus, it increases their chances of getting genital warts and certain types of cancer. So, that's two reasons for the boys themselves. Plus, boys -- when they have this virus, they're the ones who give it to the girls. When the girls get the virus, it increases their chance for getting cervical cancer....
PHILLIPS: All right. And we talked so much about is it safe or not? There are a lot of critics out there.
COHEN: You know, within doctors, there is not a controversy. Doctors will tell you this is a safe shot.
Cohen echoed this in the 11 am hour: "What it says is that if boys get this shot, it could prevent them from getting genital warts in the future, it could prevent them from getting certain cancers in the future, and -- and this is the third of the three-for -- it can prevent them from giving that virus to girls when they are sexually active later in life."
And again in the noon hour: "We've heard so much about how HPV can cause cervical cancer, and that's why girls were recommended to get the shot several years ago. But what a lot of people don't know is that HPV can hurt boys, too. It can give them genital warts and it can give them certain types of cancer. And they can also then spread that virus to girls during sexual contact."
On NPR’s All Things Considered, reporter Richard Knox found no controversy, but at least had some specifics: “HPV is strongly associated with cervical and other reproductive cancers in women; in men, cancer of the penis. In both sexes, it can cause genital warts, anal cancer, and cancers of the mouth and throat.”
The New Yorker magazine attacked conservatives for the expected wave of "sexual denialism" in response to this report. But it would seem that liberal denial is quite evident in the news coverage.
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Comments
Hetero men can get HPV in the mouth and throat
Submitted by povertypimpin on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 4:52pm.
There does appear to be a link between HPV, throat cancer and men that perform oral sex. It's not clear that an HPV vaccine would prevent throat cancer via protection against HPV.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20115276-10391704.html
It's the liberal/gay dream scenario:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 5:35pm.
Cub Scouts go camping overnight, and of course, end up fellating each other.
It is only natural that these things happen.
Times have changed, SickofLibs
Submitted by Gary Hall on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 6:03pm.
I see that you said Cub Scouts, so moving past that, I remember the summer Boy Scout Camp on the lake. Yep, on the other side of the lake was the Girl Scout Camp. OK, so we got in more than a bit of trouble, for sneaking out and snatching two of the canoes, late one night, and making our way across the lake to meet up with those wonderful young ladies, who were awaiting our arrival.
But, it was indeed worth it.
(;~> gary
Humm, I've heard that before.
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 6:49pm.
"You know, within doctors, there is not a controversy. Doctors will tell you this is a safe shot."
Don't worry, says the doctors, thalidomide is completely safe!
Hay, I got an idea, let's give a drug that attaches to genetic code markers, like this HPV "anti-virus," to young prepubescent kids whose genetic code is extremely vulnerable to change! Let's train our kid's immune system to attack and destroy those markers, even thou we really don't know what effect that will have after puberty, when our own genetic markers, the very means our body uses to identify our own cells, change due to the massive hormonal changes our bodies undergo during puberty. Yea, like that hasn't been tried before, with disastrous results! What's next, estrogen therapy for 11 year old girls? After all, it just may prevent the adverse affects of menopause later in their life. Right? Right?
Hay, doc, stop trying to play God with our children.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Is there a way to undo
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 6:55pm.
My polio shot! I had no idea my DNA had been altered.. and what and am I to do with my perfectly heathly children?? Stop all doctors NOW!!
mandrake
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 7:07pm.
Hey! Way to be oblivious and miss the point. Let's pretend that the medical community NEVER makes a mistake with these kinds of things. Let's pretend that everything you put into your body does not have some kind of reaction. And lets force children to be vaccinated for a disease that is easily avoidable.
You sound like an Obama voter, close your eyes and your mind, and let someone else do the thinking for you.
Rad
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 7:32pm.
I'm not oblivious or missing the point. I am mocking the point..that's what I do, go ask bigtimer..oh wait she's gone. Oh well, never mind.
mandrake
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 7:36pm.
So you would have mocked the whole thalidomide thing too? What a funny guy.
I see, you're just being an ass
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:33pm.
I see, you just want to mock me. Typical.
Let's just not discuss the actual risks of things like polio vaccines,or anything like that. YOU and YOUR kids are healthy, or so you're told, so what more is there to say?
mandrake, the polio vaccine has been around for several decades. It's effects, and it''s side effects, are well know, and well documented. Can you say the same about the HPV vaccine? No? I didn't think so. But, hay, go ahead and let your doctor experiment on your children, if you like. I'm sure some lawyer will be happy to represent you and your children in that class action lawsuit that just may be waiting to happen, like we see happening almost every day in America.
Me, I'll wait on immunizing my kids for a preventable disease that isn't even likely to infect them until they are in their adulthood, when they are old enough to make that choice for themselves. I don't think the risks are worth it, especially since we don't even know what those risks actually are.
Oh, and by the way, that polio vaccine DID change your genetic structure. That's why your body is able to produce those antibodies, because the genes that are used to create antibodies changed when you were intentionally infected with a "weakened' strain of a deadly disease. Even though the risks of being infected with an intentionally weakened strain of an easily communicable, wide spread, deadly disease is less that the risks of being infected by the "natural" strain of that disease, it STILL changed you in ways that not even doctors fully understand, to this day. It very well could be contributing to things like the increase rates of leukemia that has occurred since polio vaccinations started to be used widely here in America and around the world. But we don't know for sure if there is a connection because no one is studying it. Still feel safe about that vaccination?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
If you have a real point to make
Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 8:29am.
try to make it in a way that uses real facts. Your description of how vaccines work is wrong. Really wrong. They do not change your DNA.
Sorry 'bout that
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 5:45pm.
I really do need to find a new hobby. I didn't mean to upset so many..clearly I'm not welcome. Say goodbye to Balboa and Jer for me.
NB Alert*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 5:54pm.
Holy Moly! Mamabear just ran off a lib troll..
Tomorrow morning, if the sun rises from the West we know who to blame.
And lets all watch out for flying pigs.
Did you miss the part where
Submitted by ant on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 7:36pm.
Did you miss the part where Cobraman brought up the example of thalidomide?
Polio, I'm not so sure about, but since we have an open-borders policy despite the objections of the People, I know some places where you can get Whooping Cough, Tuberculosis and some other cool third world diseases that had been previously halted in the US. Strange isn't it? Mandatory injects for the chillrens regarding future lifestyle/sexual choices, but not for the third world migrants that may spread disease through the air here and now.
maybe you are right
Submitted by ArcherB on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:43pm.
Now that I think about it, doctors have done all sorts of evil things.
Anyone remember the Tuskegee experiments where black men were infected with curable disease, but allowed to die horrible deaths for "research"?
Remember all those doctors that did all those horrible experiments on Jews during WWII?
It's not just doctors that can't be trusted! Come to think of it, Priests have done some terrible things too.
I've heard of accountants ripping people off.
Judy's hair dresser gave her a terrible hair cut.
Timothy McVeigh was a US Army Veteran!
(Seemingly innocent group) has performed (terrible act example) over and over and over throughout history. Take Timothy McVeigh for example. He was an Army Veteran like me and look at the horrible act he committed. Not only does this prove that we should not trust Veterans, but we should outraged that the US Government is backing these terrorists!
How many people give 10% of their income to churches? These people are supporting child molestation!!!!
In other words CobraMan... blow it out your A... backside. I hate to break it to you, but doctors are not government agents in on the conspiracy to give you mind control medication. They are paid to do what they think is best of you and the rest of their patients. Yes, Thalidomide was a mistake, but you make it sound like doctors can't be trusted at all. Do you think these doctors knew about Thalidomide birth defects and didn't care? Do you think they were paid off by big pharma? Do you think a doctor seriously had no emotions at all when he gave birth to that baby girl with no arms or legs and then learned it was a drug he prescribed?
I'm sorry, but I believe the website you are looking for is PrisonPlanet.com.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Thank you for your wonderful contribution, ArcherB
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:50pm.
"In other words CobraMan... blow it out your A... backside."
Than you for your wonderful contribution to a meaningful, engrossing discussion, ArcherB. Now you may return to your Ivory Tower, assured that Cobraman, that tinfoil wearing conspiracy nut, has been put in his rightful place.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Wow!
Submitted by ArcherB on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:04am.
If you read my whole comment and only got that one sentence out of it, you are farther gone that I thought.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Your entire post as an insult.
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:20am.
Your entire post was an insult aimed directly at me. It was openly condescending and designed to do one thing only, to humiliate me in public. Don't even try to deny it. Like I said, you can now go back to your Ivory Tower.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I'm sorry
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:11am.
I missed the part where Cobraman blames thalidomide on evil doctors. I, not being a paranoid, knee-jerk jack-ass, assumed he was talking about drugs not tested intensively or long enough. Nah, that's never happened recently, has it? Well,.... maybe just a few drugs...and that Olestra fat substitute crap...but other than that. Most human guinea pigs at least get paid.
Check out the Judicial Watch site , they claim to have info from the FDA acquired through FOIA, showing cases of seizure and death following the innoculation series. As the poster 'stunned' has stated below, if a condom has been shown to be a fairly safe bet against transmission of the HPV virus (seriously, who knew of this 'epidemic' five years ago?) would you risk the life of your child? Would you risk their life based on a behavior they are most likely not engaging in yet? Would you risk their health because Merck Pharm stands to make a pretty penny?
~Perhaps
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:33pm.
One should not chastise others while making errors of syntax so grievous they violate the laws of nature as well as of grammar.
"Do you think a doctor seriously had no emotions at all when he gave birth to that baby girl with no arms or legs and then learned it was a drug he prescribed?"
Oh, I'm sure he was all broken up. I bet he shot his worst 18 holes ever that week. Meanwhile, the parent's suffering was incalculable, not to mention that of the child.
Which polio shot? Educate yourself!!
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:34pm.
I read up on the polio vaccine before my kid's first shot and decided NOT to allow her to receive the live vaccine just the dead virus after reading about a number of kids getting polio from the shot. My son also got the same shot and THEN the CDC changed the recomendation so all that was offered my youngest 2 was the dead vaccine. How many kids were needlessly damaged by polio getting the live vaccine? ( My sister in law is a relative of the late Jonas Salk so this is not a slam at him or the polio vaccine) This shot carries a risk too. There have been nearly 100 deaths including 3 boys from the vaccine already according to the CDC website and that only reflects cases reported (most severe reactions are never reported to the CDC and the estimates are as high as 80%)
I only found this out after my niece had a bad reaction. She fainted after coming home and the injection site blew up her arm. She ended up in bed for a week with terrible pain in her arms and legs and couldn't stand without help. My sister is a nurse and flipped out, talking to other nurses at the hospital she works at they have seen a lot of girls in the ER with similar reactions and none of them will give their kids the shot. My friend in the pharmacutical industry also will NEVER allow her son to get it either, there is too much we don't know she tells me. Thankfully my niece recovered and did not get the next 2 shots
HER REACTION WAS NOT UNIQUE AND SOME KIDS NEVER RECOVER. They are doomed to pain filled lives in order to avoid a possible exposure to a STD not a virus like polio you can pick up from some third world immigrant who has never been vaccinated. I strongly support vaccinating for diseases that can be casually caught but this is nuts. What they don't tell you is that millions of people have picked up the HPV virus and never have a reaction since their bodies fight it off without any intervention. Most of those who get genital warts, cancer ect had multiple partners (dozens in some cases) and got exposed to different strains of the virus.
The MSM is lying that this shot will prevent cervical cancer as they are NOT sure what percentage of woman get the cancer from the virus but you can bet the death rate will rise as these young women blow off the pap smear thinking the shot keeps them safe from cervical cancer. They won't tell you the risks from the shot if your immune system is compromised. They won't profile the kids living in hospital beds in their family's living room or those living with pain daily. They just frame the opposition to narrow minded parents who can't imagine their kids being sexual creatures. Bah hahahahahha most of the opposition is based on risk vs benefit from putting this drug into their kid's bodies and I will not take that chance with my kid's health.
tired of liberal lies
Estrogen therapy LOL
Submitted by stunned on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:32am.
That sure did a number on the rate of breast cancer didn't it! I remember when it was the "miracle drug" to releave symptoms of menapause and my mom begging a friend not to use it.
We went to her funeral just 5 years later when she contracted a type of rare but deadly type of breast cancer.
My mom miscarried a twin back in the 60's so her doctor prescribed Diethylstilbestrol DES to prevent her from losing the other baby but she refused to take it or any other drug, even an aspirin, when she was pregnant. My sister was born healthy 7 months later. Fast forward 20 years and the DES daughters were exposed as having higher risks for vaginal and cervical cancers. My friend is a DES daughter and had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 38.
They keep telling us how safe this drug is and ignore all the kids crippled or killed by it. Oh well in a few years 60 minutes can do a segment on all those injured by the drug and they will be asking why were people told to give it to their kids while ignoring the glorification of the drug by their colleagues.
tired of liberal lies
duplicate post
Submitted by stunned on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:35am.
oops
tired of liberal lies
OK, let's get real here
Submitted by ArcherB on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:27pm.
First of all, HPV is a sexually transmitted disease that may have no symptoms before cervical cancer strikes. Now, we all know that boys are immune to cervical cancer, so why should they take the shot? For the answer, go back and read my very first sentence. There it is. See where it says that HPV is a SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE? Yep! That's right! It is transmitted from girls to boys just as it is transmitted from boys to girls. It doesn't randomly strike girls who are sexually active. It must be transferred from a boy that already has it. And while boys don't get cervical cancer from HPV, they are other symptoms such as genital warts, that never stop coming back.
So, what does this tell us? If boys AND girls get this shot, we double the effectiveness of these vaccinations. Besides, I would feel like to total crap if I found out that I gave my wife HPV that killed her because of Cervical Cancer. Don't get me wrong, I've been faithful to my wife since before we were married, but I wasn't a perfect angel in my younger years.
Speaking of... I've heard many people say, "my little angel doesn't do that sort of thing. Forcing her to get vaccinated for an STD is a complete waste and an insult my little darling's chastity. My little girl is not a whore!"
Well, that may be true, but it may be not. Besides your little angel may be perfectly innocent and marry the best Christian boy in town. However, that wonderful Christian boy your daughter is marrying may be a Tim Tebo today, but that doesn't mean he was such a nice boy in high school. Of course, Jesus will forgive him HPV won't. Does that mean your daughter deserves to die for the sins he has long ago repented for? Even if your daughter is a whore, should the penalty be death?
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Ok, let's get real here.
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:43pm.
How many 11 year old kids have sex? Not too many, is my guess. So WHY are we being asked to immunize kids against this virus when they don't have any risk of contracting and/or spreading it? It won't do much to help prevent the spread of the virus amongst prepubescent kids, as they won't be catching the virus anyways. It will, however, give the vaccine manufactures a whole new market to exploit, right?
Here's an idea: wait until the kids are, you know, old enough to have sex and THEN ask them if they want to be immunized against it. We don't immunize prepubescent kids for any other sexually transmitted diseases, do we? No? Didn't think so. So why should we treat HPV any differently?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Here is your answer
Submitted by ArcherB on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:00am.
11 yr olds get the shot because the shot has to be administered BEFORE kids become sexually active. So let me ask you, what age do kids become sexually active? When I was growing up, it was 13. I've over 40 today so I can't tell you how old kids are screwing around these days. I've heard of 10 yr olds getting pregnant, so I think 11 is being pretty conservative. If you wait until the kids have been exposed to HPV, the vaccine is worthless for that strain. Think of it this way, when I was in the Army, we need a slew of vaccinations before going overseas.
Should the US Army have given us the shots:
A) Before we left to go overseas
B) While we were overseas
C) After we returned from our tour over seas
When it comes to this vaccine, you are saying the answer is B) While a girl is sexually active, but only if she is willing to admit it to her parents.
From the CDC (you know, those evil bastards who threw Thalidomide around knowing what it did to kids but didn't care)
Which girls/women should receive HPV vaccination?
HPV vaccination is recommended with either vaccine for 11 and 12 year-old girls. It is also recommended for girls and women age 13 through 26 years of age who have not yet been vaccinated or completed the vaccine series; HPV vaccine can also be given to girls beginning at age 9 years.
Will sexually active females benefit from the vaccine?
Ideally females should get the vaccine before they become sexually active and exposed to HPV. Females who are sexually active may also benefit from the vaccine, but they may get less benefit from it. This is because they may have already gotten one or more of HPV types targeted by the vaccines. However, few sexually active young women are infected with all HPV types prevented by the vaccines, so most young women could still get protection by getting vaccinated.
So when you ask "how many 11 year old kids have sex?", you are showing your ignorance twice. First, you don't know how the drug works. Second, you don't realize that 11 years olds are having sex. And finally, the lack of knowledge doesn't stop you from trying to belittle those that actually know more than you do.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Talk about ignorance!
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:26am.
Talk about ignorance! You really think that kids should receive a vaccination for an STD several YEARS before they can possibly become sexually active? That's just stupid! The risks are far to great! We have no idea what that will do those kids years later. The vaccine hasn't been around long enough to find out!
But, hay, go ahead and turn your kids into test animals, if you desire. Just don't chastise me for not doing the same. The risks just aren't worth it. Too much is unknown, and even you admit that doctors can be wrong.
By the way, I don't know about YOUR kids, but I can guarantee you that MY kids aren't having sex, even though they are all in their middle teens now. They sure didn't have sex before puberty! They didn't even have an interest in it. You see, I trust them and they trust me. We talk openly about things like that. They would tell me if that is what they were doing, for they know that I won't judge them. So, please, stop trying to project YOUR morality onto MY children, ok?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Not "possibly"
Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:16pm.
11 years old is not years before kids can "possibly" become sexually active, it is years before they are likely to be sexually active. If something needs to happen before they become sexually active, you do not start doing it at the average age. Why? Because that will be too late for half of the kids!
The fact is that even the best kids and the best parents, sadly, do not have complete control over when they get exposed to a potential STD. It's a dangerous world. I understand being nervous about new medical technology, but this is a vaccine the same as any other vaccine. They all carry risks. Thousands of people suffer damaging side effects from the flu vaccine every year, but we still go out and get it. The potential alternative in this case is death, and there is no way you can guarantee that your kids aren't at risk for it.
I don't understand the huge resistance to this vaccine. If you are worried about the message it sends to your kids, just don't include a message. If you need to wait awhile because you are nervous about side effects, then wait awhile. But the vaccine protects against cervical cancer, that seems kind of hard to beat.
mamabear
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:18pm.
If I could prevent the flu by not performing an action such shaking hands, I wouldn't shake hands with people and then I wouldn't get the flu vaccine.
Would you force girls to be given Norplant when the start getting their periods because now they could get pregnant? I would hope not. The less we interfere in biology the better. Same goes with this vaccine.
By the way, children who have sex at 11, 12, or 13 years old need parents.
So much for being subtle
Submitted by mamabear on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:20pm.
Rape kind of complicates your plan. That's what I meant when I said "It's a dangerous world." You cannot actually guarantee that you don't ever get exposed to something sexual simply by being responsible. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Do you also think we shouldn't give other vaccines, since they interfere with biology?
Dont understand your point mamabear*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:36pm.
This discussion is about sexually transmitted diseases. The number of rapes among women in the US is about 1% of the population.
The other 99% of infected is basically voluntary activity though "statutory rape" is still considered a crime.
However, tuberculosis, parasites, whooping cough, small pox, even leprosy are all on the rise once again. These diseases are not from rape, or irresponsible behavior. They can be easily transmitted by being in the same room. This is one of the aspects of illegal immigration that no one wants to talk about.
Mandated vaccinations for STDs is a very different argument than vaccinations for air borne or contact infectious diseases.
This isn't a zero sum game
Submitted by mamabear on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 8:55am.
You seem to be making the bizarre assumption that arguing for vaccination against one disease means I don't think other diseases are important or worth protecting against. I haven't made the argument for mandatory HPV vaccinations, I'm making arguments against people's reluctance to get their kids vaccinated voluntarily. HPV isn't a public health risk in the same way that tuberculosis can be, but it is so widespread in the population, not to mention undetectable, that I think it should be a concern.
Rape may not be common, (although I'd very much like to know where your 1% figure comes from, because I've never heard a figure that low) but HPV is. Most people infected with HPV won't get cervical cancer, or can catch it early with a pap smear, but some will die. You probably won't get into a car accident on your way to the grocery store, but do you wear a seatbelt anyway?
To the car accident scenario
Submitted by ant on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:07pm.
Actually chances are you will. Most car accidents happen to people within the few mile radius of their home for, mostly, two reasons, the frequency of being in that area ( trips to the store, post office, etc) ups the odds, and familiarity with particular routes can cause a driver to succumb to 'auto-pilot' and not pay close attention as they would on un-familiar trips.
And, as increasing frequency of car trips increases your odds of an accident, so does frequency of sex partners increase your odds of negative consequences, thus man-kind's age old philosophy of marriage and fidelity. It is the result of experiences and the desire to par down negative mistakes. And exactly the kind of thing the left tries to convince kids is an 'antiquated' or 'stifling, stodgy, old tradition'. Because leftists are soo much smarter than generations of experience in human history.
But, medical remedies or not, when and if the left's new culture is given free reign and complete acceptance, the eventual agony of learning old lessons all over again will lead future generations back to the new idea of taking up the 'stifling, stodgy, old traditions'.
Not quite
Submitted by mamabear on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:25pm.
You are right that if you have a car accident, it is "likely" to be in a close proximity to your home. That is not the same as being "likely" to have an accident every time you leave the house.
Sorry to nitpick, but people transpose loose descriptions of statistics like that all the time, it's misleading.
It's both actually
Submitted by ant on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:43pm.
If I walk to the store everyday, and you drive. You're most 'likely' to be involved in a car accident.
??What??
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:11pm.
but it is so widespread in the population, not to mention undetectable,
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/10/26/will-your-11-year-old...
You're right
Submitted by mamabear on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:28pm.
I meant symptomless, which is not the same as undetectable. Obviously, we can detect it, or we wouldn't know it was causing cancer! I meant that people don't know they are carrying it unless they actually end up getting a disease as a result.
EEGADS
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:31pm.
a conservative finally hears those words from a LIB? You`re right. Say it again. Mmmmmmmm. Sounds so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.
Sarc/
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:33pm.
and i am dripping with it.
What'd you do, cut and paste
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:19am.
What'd you do, cut and paste this from the Pharmaceutical Co.'s brochure? Over 40 and still a liberal, huh? I heard a saying about that once...
You sound as if you work for the pharmeceutical industry
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 7:13pm.
Go ahead and vaccinate your kids if you want to, but you have no right to insist anyone else's kids should be vaccinated. Regarding your comment above about doctors only having the best interest of the patient at heart, well, are you really that gullible? Why do you think pharmacy companies spend so much time and money on doctors, you know tickets to ball games, sponsoring conferences, etc? Because they know by giving doctors perks the doctor will steer patients towards their products. No, not all doctors, but enough to make the practice worthwhile. In my state insurance companies have all the information about what prescription medicines I take. So they know what drugs my doctor is prescribing for me. Do you really think there is nothing in it for the doctor to promote certain vaccines?
That's all well and good, I'm
Submitted by ant on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:47pm.
That's all well and good, I'm not going to argue about your opinion. But couldn't you get the same result by voluntarily having your child immunized by your doctor, rather than the talk of a State-wide mandatory program? Besides I always have my suspicions about these things, besides the unified opinion being expressed across the Fossil Media bandwidths, as is the point of the article. I find it strange because it's always "such a threat". Like, Breast cancer is the number 1 killer of women, but ovarian cancer is the number 1 killer of women, but cervical cancer is the number one killer of young woman. Well, they can't all be, we'd have no women left. And, to tell the truth, I don't recall hearing all that much about HPV and cervical cancer, maybe at all, until this 'wonderful, new vaccine' came about. Now it's gained number 1 killer notoriety. Unless this is the "generation of free-love's" chickens coming home to roost and we are seeing increased cases, as baby-boomers age, from something they may have contracted 40 years ago. I could be wrong though, I suppose there's nothing suspicious about the manufacturer of Gardasil pushing for the mandatory innoculations.
But what if you are sentencing your child to death?
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:46pm.
There have been deaths and permanent disabliliities associated with the vaccine and it is a STD. You can avoid infection with a condom and it does not protect from other STD's such as HIV. I don't imagine my daughters will be virgins marrying virgins but this shot will only slightly lower their risk for cervical cancer and not eliminate the risk from getting cervical cancer. Overwhelmingly most people who get the HPV virus show NO symptoms and the body clears itself of the virus in a few months so the chance you could expose your wife to cervical cancer because you were wild young stud is remote. Your little angel's chances of getting cervical cancer is small and most who do develop the disease were exposed to multiple strains of the virus from multiple partners which increases the risk from other STDs. How many angels will not get the pap smear regularly later in life thinking they are safe from cervical cancer because of the ignorant, reckless, agenda driven liberal media?
tired of liberal lies
You can get HPV from kissing
Submitted by crosspatch on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:20am.
Look, HPV is one of the most ubiquitous viruses known to man. Practically every single human being over 35 that has been fairly sexually active has it. You can get it if you have had only one sex partner your whole life. There is no test for it for males. There is no way to protect against spreading it. You can't tell if you have it or not. You can get it from kissing. It can kill you. I am getting my son vaccinated.
Most people do not HAVE HPV
Submitted by stunned on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 7:15am.
Most people have been exposed to HPV and guess what most NEVER get sick or show ANY symptoms and the body naturally destroys it after a a few months. Some people do get sick and most of them because of impaired immune systems or having been exposed to different strains of the virus, usually at the same time, form MULTIPLE sexual partners. They are also at high risk for other STDs including HIV and using condoms protects you from getting and spreading BOTH viruses and other STDs. The shots will not prevent those diseases and the research is unclear as to what percentage of cervical cancer will be eliminated but you can be sure that a lot of girls who get the shots now will blow off the pap smear later as they figure they are immune to cervical cancers and more teens will avoid using condoms because they are "safe". Gay young men are the ones with the highest risk from getting sick from HPV and if I thought my son was gay then I might agree with you but only then since there is a risk for death or disability from the vaccine which the MSM is covering up.
It is one thing to vaccinate for a disease you can pick up in a grocery store or in school from someone coughing next to you and vaccinating for a disease that is sexually transmitted.
tired of liberal lies
Oh Oh .......
Submitted by jmigyanka@msn.com on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 2:37pm.
...........http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/rush/080916
First post!
Submitted by SCwg on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:41pm.
The ignorance displayed in this story and some of the comments was enough to finally get my to make my first post here- so exciting!
Firstly, the title, "Will Your 11-Year-Old Boy Get Cancer from Gay Sex," is so incredibly misleading it sounds like it was made up by the likes of Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, or even *shudder* Bill Maher. It's already been mentioned in the comments, but it's worth repeating- the vaccine is used in boys to prevent the spread of HPV to women. Just because men can't get cervical cancer doesn't mean they shouldn't stop the spread of HPV... that's like saying that because men can't get pregnant, they shouldn't care about birth control.
Secondly, no one is forcing anyone to be vaccinated. The nuts... err, parents of the world who believe that giving a vaccine is like experimenting on their children would never let it fly. I don't have a crystal ball, but my guess is that no vaccine will ever actually be mandatory. Luckily for the non-believers, once enough people become immune to a disease, it will stop spreading to vaccinated and non vaccinated alike.
What are the chances anyone reads this post? Anyway, thanks for humoring me.
I read your first post, SCwg...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 9:59pm.
It sucked. I hope it's your last.
Just kidding. Actually, I give it very high marks for both form and content. Keep 'em coming.
Jer
Ah, Jer sees a potential
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:04pm.
ally. How sweet.
Not really, bk...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:40pm.
I suspect SCwg is a conservative, but I'll let him answer the question.
Jer
I think you might be confused
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:46pm.
Paulbot starts with a p.
Not my first post.
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:04pm.
From the CDC:
Some men are more likely to develop HPV-related diseases than others:
How do Men get HPV?
HPV is passed on through genital contact—most often during vaginal and anal sex. HPV may also be passed on during oral sex. Since HPV usually causes no symptoms, most men and women can get HPV—and pass it on—without realizing it. People can have HPV even if years have passed since they had sex. Even men with only one lifetime sex partner can get HPV.
I heard about a new HPV vaccine – can it help me?
The HPV vaccine (Gardasil) works by preventing four common HPV types, two that cause genital warts and two that cause cancers, including anal cancer. It protects against new HPV infections; it does not cure existing HPV infections or disease (like genital warts). It is most effective when given before first sexual contact (i.e., before a person may be exposed to HPV).
Some men may benefit more from this vaccine than others.
But you're probably right; Tim Graham probably called Comedy Central for help on the title of this thread. Good luck on that second post.
The spread of knowledge,
Submitted by SCwg on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:56pm.
The spread of knowledge, unlike the spread of HPV, is always a good thing. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a retort to my post or not? I agree that boys and young men may benefit the most from this vaccine, and that young men who have sex with men might benefit more... sorry if my original post was misleading. My point was (should have been?) that all people should get the vaccine to stop the spread of cervical cancer... and it's also helpful in genital warts, so there's that too.
Thanks for the good luck wish!
SCwg
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:11pm.
Rick Perry tried to force Texans to vaccinate their daughters. The government has been known to mandate things like vaccines, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this would be mandated. But hey, go stick your head in the sand some more.
Your comment about enough people becoming immune to a disease so it will stop spreading? Wow. Just wow.
Mandated so that insurance
Submitted by SCwg on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:49pm.
Mandated so that insurance would cover the vaccine is the way I understood it... Anyone can opt out of the vaccine, it's not actually mandatory. But hey, if you want to believe what you want to believe, who can stand in your way?
For disease stop spreading, see herd immunity link below. And sorry about the poor wording... well, I'm not really sorry.
Welcome, SCwg
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:29pm.
Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. But I am intrigued by the ".once enough people become immune to a disease and it stops spreading..". You don't believe if you get dosed by radiation you become a super-hero, do you?
ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:30pm.
Sort like The Incredible Hulk? Or was that what happened in The Fantastic Four? I'm low on my pop culture.
Radical
Submitted by ant on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:55pm.
The Hulk is correct. The Fantastic Four was cosmic rays in space. Spiderman was, indirectly, from a radioactive spider bite. When I was a kid, I played Spiderman, but all it got me was a broken arm. I guess I was supposed to be having sex at that age but I didn't know any better.
When disease stops spreading?
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:56pm.
Your argument fails if you follow your line of thinking. So, to follow your thinking, why are we not doing something about a much larger threat to our society from already well known infectious diseases?
cajun
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:59pm.
check your p.m.'s.
I'm not sure I can follow my
Submitted by SCwg on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:59pm.
I'm not sure I can follow my thinking... I'm really just kinda spit balling. But, I am pretty sure that if you're trying to argue against my line of thinking, the retort shouldn't be "Oh yeah? Well, here's a bigger problem!"
Poor wording
Submitted by SCwg on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 7:43pm.
Poor wording? Sure. But I was hoping that you guys would get it without a science lesson...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
Sorry for using wikipedia as a source, but I'm not planning on submitting this post for publication...