As Liberalism's Approval Drops, Is MSNBC Slipping Into Third Place Behind CNN?
By Tim Graham | September 27, 2011 | 07:20
The conventional wisdom on cable news branding may be changing. It’s been said that MSNBC found its way being a fiercely liberal channel, while CNN dithered with a calmer (ahem, still liberal) lineup. Now CNN is close to overtaking MSNBC in prime time, reported Bill Carter in The New York Times. So much for "leaning forward."
“MSNBC may be rediscovering the downside of partisan news,” Chris Daly, a professor of journalism at Boston University, told Carter. “That is, the size of your audience is essentially cajoled by the size of the electorate that already agrees with you.” The electorate isn’t getting thrills up its legs over Obama any more.
The Times probably would not want to claim that the entire audience of Fox News Channel is an electoral bloc agreeing with conservatives. Carter reported:
The ratings results for the month of September show that CNN, long relegated to third place in the prime-time cable news competition, is edging its way back up, while MSNBC is moving in the other direction.
For the month, CNN averaged 257,000 viewers in prime time in the category that counts most to the networks — viewers between the ages of 25 and 54 — because that is where the advertising money goes for news programming. MSNBC was just barely ahead with 269,000 viewers. (Neither approached the leader, Fox News, with 526,000).
Both CNN and MSNBC had one especially strong night because of the Republican presidential debates. With those excluded, however, CNN beat MSNBC, 219,000 to 207,000.
Carter insists MSNBC is suffering from the removal of that egomaniac Keith Olbermann, and his little show on Current TV. "Mr. Olbermann averaged just over 50,000 viewers in the 25-to-54 measure in September, or less than 20 percent of what he attracted on MSNBC." (He's certainly not drawing less than one-fifth his old salary.) The removal of the Olbermaniacs is apparently causing heartburn for MSNBC.
The change in the September ratings was most noticeable at 8 p.m., where CNN has moved its best-known host, Anderson Cooper. The network’s performance during that hour has improved by 38 percent over last year, growing to 215,000 viewers from 156,000.
On MSNBC, meanwhile, Lawrence O’Donnell has lost 100,000 viewers from the numbers Mr. Olbermann posted last September, with 185,000 viewers in the 25-to-54 age group, a drop of 35 percent. (Bill O’Reilly on Fox, as always, dwarfs his competitors with about three times as many viewers, 611,000.)
More ominously, the falloff for Mr. O’Donnell seems to be affecting MSNBC’s biggest name, Rachel Maddow. Her audience dropped 15 percent this year, to 245,000 from 289,000. She still beats Piers Morgan on CNN in the 9 p.m. hour, but his show has improved 18 percent over Larry King’s ratings last year, with 193,000 viewers to Mr. King’s 164,000.
MSNBC executives endured a contentious parting with Mr. Olbermann last January. Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, had a succinct answer to the question of whether the network is feeling the impact of Mr. Olbermann’s departure: “No.” He added, “I’m confident that we will increase our ratings as politics become the dominant story over the next year.”
Carter did not apparently ask Griffin how his political-involvement standard for evening hosts has changed from Olbermann (dumped for a few political contributions) to Sharpton (running a permanent race-baiting campaign). The answer could have been priceless.
But CNN is left to boast that its hottest hour in the key demographic is at 10 pm, where it's running a rerun of Anderson Cooper 360: It "remains CNN’s strongest hour, with 274,000 viewers, well ahead of “The Ed Show” on MSNBC with 200,000 (though both also are well behind Greta Van Susteren on Fox, who had 415,000.)"
Ed Schultz should keep his day job on the radio.
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Put Eddy Holly glasse on her and
Submitted by tjc-illinois on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 7:47am.
Put Eddy Holly glasses on her and put her in a library and she looks SO SMART!!
Would love to she her interview Laura Ingraham/Michelle Malkin/Ann Coulter. Oh wait, hell would have to freeze over.
She and her friends at dumbassNBC are all cowards.
'Well, to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch." Bart
Eddy Holly? You mean Buddy
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:05am.
Eddy Holly? You mean Buddy Holly?
They're all nasty.
Submitted by Texndoc on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 7:53am.
I remember when David Shuster was on MSNBC. Who would have thought looking back at that compared to what you have today that you'd be thinking "at least HE was a newsman". Special Ed Shultz? Reverend Al? Crazy Larry?
"Yay!! We are CNN and we are in 2nd Place!!"
Submitted by gopcongress on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 8:36am.
"Yay!! We are CNN and we are in 2nd Place!! Now all we need to do is TRIPLE our viewership and we can compete against Fox News!!"
"The news and truth are not the same thing." -Walter Lippmann (1889-1974) FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER
STUPID SGT SHULTZ
Submitted by ROSSMAN on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 8:54am.
HAS a telephone poll every nite! There is a left and right response every nite!!! the results are most often 90% or better for the left. Often the left gets over 95%. This alone should describe the politics of their viewers. Many of the votes on the right can be considered votes from a liberal with half a brain. Every nite they lose viewers from the left. If their viewership goes down, and they continue to feed idiots minds with more idiotic garbage. They don't need a band aid, they need a transfusion.
If that's the case
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 9:22am.
then 9 out of 10 people that called (watched) the show were lefties. The one on the right was probably NB keeping an eye on the bias.
They are both racing to the bottom
Submitted by ohio granny on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 9:12am.
MSNBC and CNN are bottom feeders. If both disappear would anyone even notice?
Did MSNBC miss the obvious/
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 9:20am.
CARTER: “MSNBC may be rediscovering the downside of partisan news,” Chris Daly, a professor of journalism at Boston University, told Carter. “That is, the size of your audience is essentially cajoled by the size of the electorate that already agrees with you.”
Surely MSNBC must have considered this eventuality when it went 'all in' for Obama. When they did so, they tied their ratings to the President's popularity.
I thought that when NBC was
Submitted by greydawg on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 9:42am.
I thought that when NBC was sold by GE to Comcast, surely things would change, believing that Comcast couldn't be so stupid as to allow MSNBC to continue its hyper-partisany idiocy. With millions of customers in a center-right country, Comcast couldn't allow such disgusting tripe on its station. And then I learned that Comcast's Grand Poobah is a heavy-hitting Obama fund-raiser. Improve the network? Hell, no. We got all the information we needed when they gave a full-hour show to race-baiting Al Sharpton.
As far as I'm concerned, they
Submitted by jessieH on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 10:34am.
As far as I'm concerned, they are all in last place. Even Fox News is changing, and not for the better.
So.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:10am.
It's not just me (about FOXNews). That's a relief.....of sorts.
Just don't tell me I'm going to have to subscribe to GBTV to get the facts. Please?
If they hire a few more
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:07am.
If they hire a few more people like Al Not-So-Sharptoon and Speshul Ed "Short Bus" Schultz then they may actually manage to lag behind CurrentTV and OWN.
What an accomplishment that would be!
MSNBC: A Business or a Vocation?
Submitted by rwnewsnut on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 11:56am.
I will never understand the left leaning media - in particular MSNBC. Are they a business entity to maximize profits or is MSNBC an advocacy group? They see the 'Lean Left' bent isn't happening. Do they not have any 'Business' managers to make a correction? Why do they purposefully cast off one half of the audience? It just doesn't make any business sense. That is why the MSM has lost credibility.
It's the NY Times business model!
Submitted by pilsener on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 12:49pm.
Drive away half of the potential audience and repeat a less-than-scintillating partisan view ad infinitum. If your profits go down, it's obviously the fault of your rivals who are stealing away the readers/viewers who just aren't smart enough to understand.
The reality is closer to the fact that refusal to criticize either the administration or the democratic party takes away a whole lot of news entertainment.
I think people are fed up
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 12:30pm.
I think people are fed up with their lies and hate.
unwatchable
Submitted by michiganruth on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 4:26pm.
I am frankly surprised to hear that MSNBC had an audience to lose.
sometimes for fun I flip the channels between Fox and MSNBC. it's always the same. on Fox they're talking about issues with a mix of left and right commentators (and on the 6pm news show, with straight-down-the-middle reporters). on MSNBC, they're talking about--Fox! and Rush! and calling people idiots and racists.
and yet there are people--even friends of mine--who swear that Fox is not a "real" news channel. I just don't get it.
Fox and Rush...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 6:18pm.
...are living rent-free in the minds of the MESSNBC crew. You just can't buy that kind of non-stop publicity.
"Lean Forward - Grab Ankles"
Indicative...
Submitted by adamsmith on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 6:55pm.
This is indicative of Election 2012. If they won't watch the propaganda anymore, they won't be troubled to vote either. Liberals love a sure thing, because they don't really stand for anything other than theft.......
M.S.N.B.C.is leftist trash.
Submitted by greatj on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 6:57pm.
M.S.N.B.C. is not a news network.It is a propaganda arm of Obama and the Democratic party.M.S.N.B.C. is vile,hateful,dishonest,and disgraceful.Don't waste your time watching it.
"Third place" is a new euphemism for "toilet"?
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 8:36pm.
MSNBC has definitely slipped simultaneously into "third place" and paranoiac schizophrenia. Quite a feat, socially and medically speaking.
God said stand here for brains
Submitted by wouldubelieveit on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 8:40pm.
They thought he said trains, and they said we are trying to build those every were every body should have trains