NPR Champions the 'Spookily Modern' Writings of a Roman Atheist
On Monday's Morning Edition, National Public Radio channeled the thrill of discovering an ancient Roman writer's "spookily modern" writings. Anchor Steve Inskeep touted a long-forgotten work championing atheism: "Some people wake up in the morning and thank God for granting them another day. Others get up, and thank their genes, their frontal cortex and their lipids. Secular thinking has a long, long history, longer than many of us knew."
That's a strange opening. It's not very historical -- no one questioned theism in ancient Greece? But NPR's Robert Krulwich seemed thrilled at the story of "our book" of godlessness being saved for the ages. His guide was leftist literary theorist Steven Greenblatt, but NPR failed to mention the taxpayer-funded network was following the footsteps of The New Yorker. Greenblatt concluded by touting the "deep truth" and joy found in discovering there is no God:
KRULWICH: Though his poem is more than 2,000 years old, even today...
GREENBLATT: It's dangerous. It's radioactive. It's dangerous to touch it.
KRULWICH: It describes a universe with no author and no purpose, but of such exquisite complexity...
GREENBLATT: It's unbelievably beautiful. It's written in just magnificent poetry.
KRULWICH: That says that even if there is no heaven, no loving god, no design, no reason for us to be here - as painful as that may seem - says Lucretius, look around, what is here is more than good. It's amazing and it's beautiful.
GREENBLATT: I think that there is a deep truth to that perception and I think that what Lucretius offers still, after 2,000 years - more than 2,000 years - is an incentive to take this news not as pain but as pleasure, not as disillusionment, but as wonder.
Greenblatt presents a "dangerous" book oppressed by the Christian church.
KRULWICH: Fifty years before Jesus, many Romans probably had copies of Lucretius in their libraries. Then comes the rise of the Christian Church. When church fathers read this poem, they thought: What, where is our story?
GREENBLATT: Where were the angels? Where were the demons? Where was Jesus Christ? That world didn't have room any longer for a vision of atoms and emptiness and nothing else. So Lucretius basically goes underground, disappears.
Until a man named Poggio Bracciolini finds it in a monastery in Germany:
GREENBLATT: So, there are a group of people, let's say around the year 1400.
KRULWICH: And one of them is Poggio Bracciolini who lived near Florence
GREENBLATT: He was a poor kid. He came with, he says, five pennies in his pocket to Florence. But he has a peculiar gift, which is that he has fantastically good handwriting.
KRULWICH: And that gift got him his jobs with the Pope.
GREENBLATT: That's where the money is.
KRULWICH: And where there's intrigue and corruption and violence are. At one point, Poggio gets into a fight with another secretary and he tries to gouge out his eye.
GREENBLATT: Well, the other guy was holding his testicles at the time. (LAUGHTER) I mean they were having a fight. They all hated each other.
KRULWICH: This sounds awful.
GREENBLATT: And so it was a good place to lose your soul, as it were.
KRULWICH: But on his bad days, and he had a lot of them, Poggio had a way to escape. He would imagine beautiful, elegant, classic works from ancient Rome, filled with noble thoughts, lost books waiting somewhere to be rescued. And he had this desire, says Steve, to find those lost books.
Naturally, the enemy isn't happy.
KRULWICH: And the book is banned, first in schools and then In Florence. But Machiavelli, in his own hand, makes himself a private copy. And now, Shakespeare notices and then Montaigne in France writes essay after essay about Lucretius.
GREENBLATT: Moliere did a translation.
KRULWICH: And Thomas Jefferson had five copies of Lucretius in his library. They, all of them, borrowed from Lucretius - this radically secular thinker. Though his poem is more than 2,000 years old, even today...
That would take you back to the ending passage about the "magnificent poetry." Harvard Magazine also retraces Greenblatt's writing on a "repressive" Church and its "murderous reflexes" oppressing Lucretius. Typically, NPR tells this as a happy tale of secularism with no need for a rebuttal from Christian experts.
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Did they think that atheism
Submitted by Ruths husband Ben on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 8:52am.
Did they think that atheism is a new idea? Mankind has been suppressing the truth about God ever since there has been mankind.
Some plan
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 9:05am.
Hmmmm, no God means no morals means no right and wrong, except man's laws, and we know how those are always flexible (for Liberals and Democrats), which means, you can do anything you want, including lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc., just don't get caught.
You hit the nail on the head
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 9:29am.
You decribed today's Liberalism to a tee.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
That's exactly what it means
Submitted by Mister Orange on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:32pm.
Christians are perfect, the rest of the world are just a bunch liars, cheaters, thieves, murderers, etc.
♫ Trollin', trollin', trollin' on da rivah ♫
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:51pm.
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No, M.O.
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:47pm.
we are far from perfect. we are, however, forgiven. On the other hand, you did sum up man pretty well. Even scripture says the very same thing about us. so you do have a clue.
Quite a contrast
Submitted by Mister Orange on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:50pm.
I was simply born a good person, knowing right from wrong. You, on the other hand, needed a book. Go figure.
lol
Submitted by kata on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:53pm.
and so humble to boot. ahahaha...
Wow
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 2:48pm.
So at two years old you always shared all your toys?
Hahahahahaahaha!
Submitted by ant on Thu, 09/22/2011 - 2:56am.
You were born knowing right from wrong? Well, lucky for you you were born at all, considering others who claim to know right from wrong feel they have the right to end your existence at that point.
Were you born knowing not to stick your hand on the stove too? What else did you master soon after birth? Grandiose perceptions of your own reality aside.
agreed
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:45pm.
if there is no God then there is no accountability. liberals and atheists like that. and these two sit and comment on the beauty and complexity of creation and human beings, where did they think all this came from? as a famous man once said, "the fool has said in his heart, there is no God."
It all fits in with NPR
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 9:26am.
Today's Liberalism and Atheism are different sides to the same coin.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
How come these oh-so-happy
Submitted by Ed Gregory on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 9:49am.
How come these oh-so-happy atheists juxtapose their disbelief in God only in relation to Christianity? How come these clowns never go on al jazeera to talk about the beauty of life without allah or muhammad or whoever the executive towelhead is? Oh, right -- that would make them infidels and, as such, subject to death.
If you want to make a stand for no-god, don't do it in the safe haven of NPR. Atheists are such wusses.
True dat...
Submitted by JLin on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 10:37am.
Now if they drew a cartoon of Muhammed humping his favorite boy or goat.....
Gutless wonders all. They probably tormented fat kids or pulled the wings off flys when they were in gradeschool.
Yes!
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:47pm.
"like" button needed here.
Sheer genius...
Submitted by JLin on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 10:33am.
"Greenblatt concluded by touting the "deep truth" and joy found in discovering there is no God:"
I'm sure Newton, Pascal, and Einstein would like to see the data on that.
As would this list of
Submitted by celator on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 3:00pm.
As would this list of Catholic scientists--
http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/mcfc014a.htm
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Submitted by celator on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 3:03pm.
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Wasn't it Voltaire
Submitted by HockeyKid on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 11:04am.
who proclaimed the demise of belief in God, only to have his own printing press used posthumously to print Bibles? May Greenblatt's resources suffer a similar fate.
As for Lucretius, here's an amusing passage from the Wikipedia article:
"Virtually no details have come down concerning the life of Lucretius; Jerome tells how he was driven mad by a love potion, and wrote his poetry in between fits of insanity, eventually committing suicide in middle age."
Sounds like a great source of truth and wisdom to me... /sarc
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Stop all funding of NPR.
Submitted by jessieH on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 11:12am.
Stop all funding of NPR. National Puplic Radio is using our tax money to promote liberal propaganda. They don't give a damn about the public or the truth.
Yea, so Lucretius offered to
Submitted by redfish on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 11:40am.
Yea, so Lucretius offered to Romans a contrasting view to the Stoics, who emphasized the idea of a single God and a world with purpose before Christ appeared. Most people don't know that polytheism was challenged before Christianity. How about an NPR do a segment on Stoic religious philosophy?
Someone should inform the people in that segment that "secular" isn't the same thing as "atheist", also. As for the author's question, yes, in ancient Greece Socrates questioned the existence of Gods.
Why, they're so ecstatic over
Submitted by ant on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:13pm.
Why, they're so ecstatic over 'an old, dead white guy'! Hmm. Does the joy leftards feel in believing there is no God carry over to the discovery that Obummer is not His son?
Oops, three times?
Submitted by ant on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:15pm.
Computer went mad.
I guess if I woke up everyday
Submitted by ant on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:19pm.
I guess if I woke up everyday knowing I had a government-funded gig spewing propaganda on radio, despite a large segment of the populace being against it, I'd see a lot of beauty in my environment too.
"Spookily modern?" Let's hope not!
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 09/20/2011 - 1:11pm.
What ever happened to those enlightened, poetic, "modern" Romans, with their anti-theism, their "secularism," their "exquisite complexity." Oh, that's right! They, long with their marvelous society, died! In the mean time, other societies, who's highly ingrained religious beliefs predate those of even the Romans (China, India, to name a few) still survive. So, what does this tell us? It tells me that a strong, stable, religious belief is necessary for the long term survival of any society.
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