What, the Frack? Thom Hartmann Blames Earthquake on Fracking for Gas
Brian Maloney at Radio Equalizer offered the latest in liberal earthquake conspiracy theories: liberal radio host Thom Hartmann has found the cause, and it is "fracking" for natural gas. This is becoming a pet cause on the left, leading some to sue fracking energy companies for earthquake damage.
Maloney began with sarcasm: "Thank goodness our 'progressive friends are a go-to source on 'science,' a subject we conservatives adamantly oppose." Hartmann doesn't care if you call him a conspiracy theorist:
I still wonder if fracking had something to do with the [East Coast] earthquake that we experienced yesterday. You know, fracking is pumping enormous amounts of water and noxious chemicals into the ground at high pressure, to break up the rock.
If you're breaking up the rock underground, doesn't it make sense that the ground would move? I mean, call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but I wonder if two plus two equals four here.
Hartmann referred to a Daily Kos post about an earthquake in 1967 allegedly caused by chemical weapons makers. You can find that here.
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8/23 Truthers
Submitted by Patrick_in_AZ on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:06pm.
It is time for big oil to tell the truth about 8/23
Actually, the Liberals need to meet some Truth!
Submitted by neutron on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:50am.
I am a scientist, with 20+ peer-reviewed scientific papers.
The earthquake epicenter was below the town of Mineral, VA.
Before fracking can be blamed, a few items must be determined:
(1) where are the closest fracking sites around the compass points from the epicenter?
(2) what is the extent of the fracking at those sites (the diameter of the rock crushing zone)?
(3) what is the geology of the areas involved and around Mineral, VA?
Only then can the laws of geophysics be applied to determine the culpability of fracking to the onset of the Mineral, VA earthquake.
It seems to me that the libtards are applying psuedo-science and trickery to confuse and befuddle the libtard's mind-numbed robots, who are trained to accept innuendo and unsubstantiated assertions as proof of guilt. "The seriousness of the charge warrants investigation of the guilty."
Seriously, it is MUCH more likely that the earthquake in Colorado the night before was the triggering event that coaxed the built-up energy in the foothills and mountains of Virginia to let loose, than it is that fracking in a distant place loosened the soil.
(Gosh, I hope that the closest fracking site is a long ways off!)
We also have to blame the
Submitted by danbo on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:46am.
We also have to blame the Giles County earthquake, 5.9 M, in 1897 on fracking.
The New Mardid earthquakes 1811 and 12 M 7.0-7.7 were Rober Fulton's fault. And I'm sure the Charleston SC M 7.3 1886 quake, and the Waynesville NC, M 5.2, 1916 were caused by man.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Yeah, I am in Texas and we
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:27am.
Yeah, I am in Texas and we have lots of fracking going on in the DFW area. My cousin pointed ot an article like the DKOS one and it blamed all operations putting liquid in the ground. It racks my brain to see how this could be the cause of an earthquake, possible a minor factor but not a major cause.
The truth can finally come out.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:29pm.
Krypton was not destroyed by a nuclear chain reaction.
It was frakking. It cracked the planet in half and it kinda got worse from there.
Hear that, Kal-El?
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:31am.
Don't be surprised if DC Comics uses that plot to revise the history of Krypton.
Interesting
Submitted by connect4 on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:30pm.
One guy know one ever heard of questioned whether fracking could have had something to do with an earthquake = crazy!
Candidates for high office in 2011 that don't know about evolution, global warming, and conservation = smart!
connect4
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:37pm.
Knowing about "global warming" doesn't mean one believes in it. Conservation? Must we really conserve beetles?
Do artesian wells also cause earthquakes?
Ah-ha! I knew I would catch you some day.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:21am.
Why are you not scared of frakking?
Look at the insane pressues involved.
Blood Pressure - 2.32psi/1.55psi
The pressure to fracture the formation at a particular depth divided by the depth. A fracture gradient of 18 kPa/m (0.8 psi/foot) implies that at a depth of 3 km (10,000 feet) a pressure of 54 MPa (8,000 psi) will extend a hydraulic fracture
Why that is almost the same pressure as the center of the earth!
Center of the earth - 50,742,660 psi
Oh, I guess it is not. My bad!
You are so knowledgeable and
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:16am.
You are so knowledgeable and good at reasoning. No flaws to anything you just said. I'm so ashamed of myself now. Good job.
Surprise! Another troll that can't fill out the subject line.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:27am.
It is like the Subject: line is full of puppy farts, a known cancer source for trolls.
Hey troll, she is also good with English unlike this --- One guy know one ever heard...
It's no one trolltard. Not know one.
But yeah, you is wicked smart, much smarter than everyone here. Right?
I might never comment on
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:20am.
I might never comment on another story now that you have exposed me. You must have a really important job and exciting life.
Yes. You do that troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:33am.
Next time you want to make a smarmy post that you think drips with sarcasm, try not to look so stupid in the process. Smarm, snark, and sarcasm only work with a certain level of intelligence, which clearly you lack.
The Vet is better than me, obviously
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:17am.
Good thing you blew the lid off of "Knowgate." And, as everyone "nose," off topic insults about typos demonstrate that you yourself aren't an internet troll. Boo-hoo, someone used sarcasm on the internet. Just don't tell your Mommy I was mean to you too.
Yes internet troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:53am.
And you cry because the word bully that uses words to hurt trollies feelings gave you a little pushback. So you go into full on last word troll mode and don't you dare let anyone have the last word.
Dang you word bully. I. HAVE. THE. RIGHT. TO. TROLL. So screw you word bully that uses letters and words and sends trollies into overdrive.
~"puppy farts, a known cancer source for trolls"
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:44pm.
Marry me, you brilliant b@st@rd.
What am I missing?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:05pm.
connect4, we hardly knew ya.
There were rumors of a pack of wild puppies running loose through trollietown yesterday. Puppies satiated on the dumpster behind Taco Bell. As deadly in trollietown as any hurricane would be to the monkeypeople.
My, my, my...that was quick.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:48pm.
My, my, my...that was quick. connect4/Satchmo deleted from NewsBusters. Good job!
Get 'em, Vet. I think we picked up Satchmo ver. 2.0.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:25pm.
I notice this troll's (connect-mo) use of quips and material stolen from other sites or sources to be in the same vein as Satchmo.
I leave you to your hunting, Vet. Enjoy, sir!
Sadly sir.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:09pm.
This one succombed to something other than the work of a trolljegeren. Maybe the fright of the thought of having a web page filled with puppie farts.
Question for the troll that hates puppy farts and subject lines.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:35am.
Say troll,
Why do you feel compelled to lie to get across a point here? Is it because you troll?
the trolltard connect4: One guy know one (sic) ever heard of...
Four-time Project Censored award winner Thom Hartmann, named the 10th most important talk show in America by Talkers Magazine, has more than 20 books in print and 200-plus published articles. His daily progressive radio talk show, The Thom Hartmann Program, boasts a community of 2.5 million unique listeners a week and is carried in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, and more than one hundred other outlets nationwide. In addition, he produces a half-hour daily TV show, The Big Picture, which is syndicated by Free Speech TV and distributed via Dish Network as well as local cable TV stations.
Whoops. Can't get that little fact correct. But you let us all know how wicked smart you are. Mmmmmkay?
Ha. You are too funny.
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:19am.
Ha. You are too funny.
Poor trollie.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:54am.
Getting caught in Stupids and Lies. Gotta suck the sucksuck on the sucksuck barge.
And you are banished from
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:50pm.
And you are banished from NewsBusters.
Another question for the wicked smart puppy fart hater.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:07am.
Say troll,
the troll that sneezes at puppy farts: ....questioned whether fracking could have had something to do with an earthquake = crazy!
Yes. it is crazy troll. Or stupid. As stupid as you are.
Though a 60-year-old technology that is used in 90 percent of all oil and gas wells drilled today...
60 years. 90% of all wells. But yeah little wicked smart troll, yeah, suddenly it is responsible for a magnitude 6 temblor. Wow, how did we miss that big cause/effect the last 60 years?
Yeah, 90% of all wells. 60 years. And we are just now making the fracking/BigBadTemblor connection. Wait, our scientists aren't making the connection. Only a liberal talk show host and his troll supporter does.
But you let us know how wicked smart you are compared to us stupeez, mmmmmkay?
Preserve beetles
Submitted by Don L on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:57am.
I guess Paul McCartney is the only one left -and I mean very left!
"don't know about ... global
Submitted by danbo on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:17am.
"don't know about ... global warming" Is the assumption.
Is the implication that all the scientist that disagree with the AGWing hypothesis = not knowing about global warming?
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
That's the game, danbo
Submitted by Galvanic on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:41am.
The standard questions is: "Do you believe in climate change?" The question itself suggest that believing in climate change is some sort of faith, whereas as knowledge of climate change is science. Of course what they're implying is AGW, but they avoid the specifics because the ends the game.
If one answers the question "Yes," then they are satisfied that one is a fellow-AGWer.
If one assumes they mean AGW and answers "No," one is branded as anti-science, a "denier," a "flat-earther,' or worse.
I like to confuse them by replying with "Do you believe in 9/11?" They have to stop and think, but when they answer "Yes," I tell them that they are 'truthers." If they say "No," I accuse them of denying that we came under terrorist attack. On occasion, they get so pissed off that they never get back to climate change.
It's one reasons I don't
Submitted by danbo on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:04am.
It's one reasons I don't trust the IPCC. In the old set up of standards. (I lost the link) As I recall, there were two different definitions of climate change. One at data entry that included change by natural causes. And a second at the output that it was anthropogenic. Thus a paper on say the PDO's effect on climate goes in one end and comes out the other as evidence of AGWing.
I think it was Dr Vincent Grey that said the IPCC was so corrupt, the only hope was to abolish it. The game playing is a big reason to reject warmers.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Science?
Submitted by Don L on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:05pm.
When you make popovers with cement -they don't rise and are in fact, really not popovers. When you use politics to create scientific truth-it isn't really science any more.
We have just begun to see the left's manipulation of science. Just like truth and morality, they will turn it into a relativistic thing they can manipulate in any direction. Think: flexible living constitution.
They have set this up with decades of enviromental propaganda and are merely now using the weapon. The masses need not think. Just ring the environment bell and they salivate. Nazi Germany did the same thing in the negative scapegoating the Jews-
at least
Submitted by grammajane on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:32pm.
he didn't blame Pres. Bush
Washington D.C. and Earthquakes
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:25am.
You've never heard of the Bush Fault Line that runs through Washington D.C.?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
You just can't convince the
Submitted by JeffC... on Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:36pm.
You just can't convince the left that man is NOT the most powerful entity in the universe.
The left has it both ways-as planned
Submitted by Don L on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:15pm.
The left created the big lie of biodiversity that says all species are equal -the famed quote is "a boy is a dog is a rat" telling us we are just another animal (not the one of being made in our Creator's image) so we must therefore behave like animals (which explains our morally corrupt culture under the leftist thinking)
But then, in complete contradiction, they demand only this particular species (man) and no other, must altuistically alter his behavior to care for the rest of the planet and it's species.
I'll listen when that starved charging lion helps me make a humane shelter for poor folks, or turns some of its food over to the government to share with others, Till then, the left can take its "just another species" self and go extinct to save the planet.
"A View to a Kill"?
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:28am.
Somewhere - in James Bond's world - some evil genius mastermind just got an evil idea of a new way to bring the world to it's knees....
Wasn't that already the plot
Submitted by JSchuler on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:22am.
Wasn't that already the plot in "A View to a Kill?"
Kind of, sort of....
Submitted by Chris Norman on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:53am.
Yes. See my subject line. However, in "VtaK", the ridiculous scheme involved pumping water into the San Andreas or Hayward Fault to cause Silicon Valley to sink and be flooded by SF Bay.
It's all global warming
Submitted by The_Basseteer on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:45am.
Geologists are now speculating that the activity along the New Madrid fault is the result of the removal of the 2 1/2 mile thick ice sheet that once covered most of North America but has since melted....so YES...global warming causes earthquakes
Of course, T_B
Submitted by deadeyedan on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:11am.
There have been other cases of libs not understanding nature or, especially, proportion.
At around midnight the day after the great tsunami of Christmas, 2004, a CNN anchorman was interviewing Bill Nye, "the Science Guy", and asked him if it was due to global warming. Wish I would have recorded that, given the grimace on Bill's face.
Back on November 6, 1971 the U.S. under Nixon's orders conducted a high-yield underground nuclear bomb test at geologically unstable Amchitka Island in the Aleutians and was roundly criticized prior to it, that it would produce a "crack in the world" given the region's tectonic volatility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHtZ6Ixeqvs
Of course the only seismic activity of any note in the aftermath was a modest quake off the coast of Japan some hours later.
Global warming - authoritarian, rather than authoritative, science
ClimateGate - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists at East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution
Another Useful Idiot!!!
Submitted by scottyusmc on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:51am.
What – American ingenuity finds another way to increase energy supplies and become energy independent – all for the benefit of the American people. This must be stopped!!!
Call of today’s Democratic/Liberal/Socialist/Environmentalist – we demand that you live under our oppressive guidance and rule since we know what is best for you. Earthquake caused by those who oppose Democratic socialist dogma...
STFU and listen to us – and disregard that private jet flying overhead – it’s our leader Al Gore…
Hartmann
Submitted by PrimalElements on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 7:04am.
What's he talking about?.........Everybody knows that Obama caused the earthquake.
Moochelle walked across
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:05am.
Moochelle walked across town.
liberal talking points
Submitted by xraynova on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:10am.
hartmann: " I still wonder if fracking had something to do with the [East Coast] earthquake that we experienced yesterday. "
He apparently missed the latest liberal talking points: the military caused the earthquake. They were doing exercises on an island off the coast of Virginia, When too many troops got onto one side of the island, the whole island capsized. The catastrophic event jarred Virginia so hard that it resulted in the earthquake.
liberals know this is true, as evidenced by this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
The New Madrid earthquake was
Submitted by danbo on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:19am.
The New Madrid earthquake was also man's fault. It was caused by Robert Fulton's steamboat.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
ill concieved left wing propaganda
Submitted by griffinrc on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:21am.
Its quite entertaining. Liberals claim to be experts in everything. I'm quite positive that his Master of Herbology degree from Emerson College of Herbology gives his him the authority to speak on a geologic event.
Fun job you guys must have here at Newsbusters, it's easier than shooting fish in barrel with liberals, so-called intellect shining through.
tunneling...
Submitted by dmacleo on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:24am.
may as well blame all tunneling for mass transportation as its removed more "core" material.
granted not at the depths usually but still...if going to make stupid claims may as well really "shake" it up..
Creating an Energy Crisis
Submitted by billyjack on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 8:55am.
“Let no crisis go to waste”, Rahm Emanuel.
There appears to be a concerted effort to create an energy crisis. The Carbon Cap and Trade bill failure is now being implemented by bureaucratic fiat. The anti-nuclear power forces with the aid of the Japan disaster are all but assured to prohibit new nuclear power generation, although it has already been accomplished by shutting down the Yucca Mountain Waste facility. The shutting down of Gulf drilling because of the BP-Macondo will add to the crisis. Add in the propaganda in an effort to shut down hydraulic fracturing to limit access to our vast natural gas reserves and the EPA threatening to put the Dune Sage lizard on the endangered species list removing a million acres of private land in southeastern New Mexico and West Texas from drilling and it becomes obvious that these efforts are intended to set up takeover of the energy infrastructure in which the government has had historically little control when compared to banking, auto, agriculture and health industries.
The truly frightening point of the preceding argument is the extent that the left intends to go to squash dissent. It is now apparent that the intent is not just to create rolling blackouts (see California), but to create a disaster in which thousands of people will freeze or bake to death while what little is left of the economy goes into shambles. The current bill’s mandates being implemented by bureaucratic mandate are estimated to shut down as much as 50% of our coal fired electrical power generation. The EPA has already overturned the Texas Air Control Board approval of new coal fired plants in Texas. With no nuclear power to replace, then the only viable alternative to maintain electrical generating capacity appears to be natural gas that is now being curtailed through specious arguments about the ecological dangers of hydraulic fracturing techniques. All of these energy sources are to be supplanted by “green alternatives”. (For all you “glue” heads that have gone organic, doubling wind and solar power will cover up to 1% of our electrical power generation). Of course the fracturing argument will delay bringing enough natural gas to market in time that unfortunately will not forestall the inevitable agenda or the photo opportunities of frozen “grandmas”. The policies currently being put in place are truly evil in that they appear to be purposely implemented to create an “energy crisis” and economic mayhem that will be overshadowed by the de facto murder of thousands without “power”. The pun is intended.
I wondered what happened to
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:31pm.
I wondered what happened to you, do you still fight off bad guys?
Just another affordable energy hating commie doing all he can
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:31am.
...to scare the sheeple into going along with higher prices and more restrictions on the supply.
Cheap energy is part of what fuels real economic growth, and that is a huge no-no to freedom-haters like Hartmann.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Fracking dumbazz
Submitted by tincan53 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:49am.
This guy is part of the "Truth is relative" group, which means he's a dumbazz. No need for facts or statistics, just jump on the left winged looney program and all is well. Next we'll hear the G.W. Bush is at fault for the fracking.
Just goes to show that not
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 10:51am.
Just goes to show that not only is Thom Hartmann completely clueless as to what fracking is but also clueless as to how much earth actually moves to cause an earthquake. I've seen enough shows on the Science Channel and Discovery (and other similar channels) covering both of those topics to know that it is impossible for the former to influence the latter. It would be akin to Thom Hartmann claiming his big fart after eating a greasy burrito somehow influenced Hurricane Irene. It appeals to the environmentally ignorant liberal wackos.
We can`t dismiss everything
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:15am.
We can`t dismiss everything out of hand as lunacy. It`s entirely possible fracking can cause earthquakes. Not only that but it also poisons water supplies and uses huge amounts of freshwater as freshwater supplies are declining.
http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2011/08/23/did-fracking-cause-t...
"We can`t dismiss everything
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:26pm.
"We can`t dismiss everything out of hand as lunacy. It`s entirely possible fracking can cause earthquakes."
Actually it's impossible due to the size differential. Your may as well claim your last fart caused Hurricane Irene or the farts of thousands caused it. The website article you cited presents nothing more than non sequitural claims and no sound, documented evidence. Furthermore, it clearly was written with an anti-drilling agenda in mind. Please also note that the article failed to cite even a single study showing the lack of evidence connecting fracking with earthquakes.
Your source (Stuart Jeanne Bramhall) is clearly biased and lacking in any legitimate proof.
What? No "Mother Gaia's Revenge"?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:17am.
Thom Hartmann forgot to add in that gem. That's always an extreme liberal favorite.
More Liberal Fascism
Submitted by Wildcatter1980 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:28am.
I just finished pointing out the liberal fascism of Google's denying of discounts for or free use of it's software to certain non-profits for policy disagreements and here comes this example. This guy is clearly engaging in environmental liberal fascism in trying to tie innovative fossil fuel extraction methods to the natural phenomenon of an earthquake.
--
If you want to know what liberal secular progressives are really doing, just listen to what they are accusing others of.
Recommended reading: Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
Can we say "Stupid"?
Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:46am.
Can we say "Stupid"?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Propaganda works with the GOP's non-confrontation policy.
Submitted by Don L on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:54am.
The goal of the left is to stop America from embarassing socialism any longer with its superior economic dsystem. The process was to elect Obama to stop drilling and every other possible manner of obtaining oil for our economic engine. Green is and has been the new red for decades now.
Coal is out, nuclear power is out, and no society can survive on windmill power. They know this simple truth well.
The fraken controversy is nothing but more demogogery to prevent the private sector from rejuvenating. The GOP, with few exceptions is fine with the status quo if it means not having to confront the eco-worshippers.
This is nothing but the same technique as the race card -you can't speak the truth because this left has successfully closed the subject due to sensitive eco-feelings.
Funniest article ever.
Submitted by Darasen on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:55am.
If anybody else here watched Battlestar Galactica and reads this article in that mindset this becomes possibly one of the funniest things I have ever read.
(In the show the term frak was used as a replacement for another word starting with the same letter that can't be used on T.V.)
Newsbusted!
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 11:56am.
Recently, "Newsbusters" writer Tim Graham did what he always does--whine about something someone else said because it wasn't politically correct enough for his delicate emotional state.
Although the wildly influential talk radio host Timmy mentions only questioned whether fracking could have been the cause of the recent earthquake on the east coast, the skilled Newsbuster's writer was able to identify that comment as an example of liberal media bias. Clearly, the fate of many elections hangs on that comment.
But what Timmy didn't learn in school was that actual reporting includes things other than whining.
Using 30 seconds of free time, it was discovered that human activities are known by science to be capable of causing earthquakes. Of course, you wouldn't know this if your source of information is Timmy's excellent coverage of the issue at Newsbusters.org.
"Research has found links between hydrofracking and increased seismic activity. The United States Geological Survey said it's possible for humans to cause earthquakes through such activities. The USGS wrote in its "Earthquakes, Faults, Plate Tectonics, Earth Structure" FAQ that "Earthquakes induced by human activity have been documented in a few locations in the United States, Japan, and Canada. The cause was injection of fluids into deep wells for waste disposal and secondary recovery of oil, and the use of reservoirs for water supplies."
Source: http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2011/aug/23/explainer-did-hydrofr...
Luckily for Timmy, his readers are scientifically illiterate.
Are you really so mushy
Submitted by bassndude on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:08pm.
Are you really so mushy minded that you can believe what your saying? Really?
In the first place, Anything is possible. But your going to have to do better than what your doing. If humans can cause earthquakes, you have to prove it. So far nothing but speculation by those who also believe global warming is caused by man.
If underground nuke tests near the San Andres fault system did not cause earth quakes, 8000 to 10000 psi hydraulic pressure sure wont. The cranes you see on construction sites operate at pressures higher than that. Some plants, (paper, power and such) operate steam lines in excess of 20000 psi.
You cannot move the Atlantic Plate with 10000 psi. Besides, quakes are caused by plate induction. Anyone with any grade school education knows that.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Living planet
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:23pm.
Liberals keep forgetting(probably intentionally so) that this is a living planet. Which is way different than calling the Constitution a living breathing document.
The earth's tectonic plates will always always ALWAYS be on the move. That's how we got the mountain ranges, that's how we got the Ring of Fire(in the Pacific), that's how we have "continental shift," and on and on. I learned that in physical science in middle school from years ago.
I said the earth is a living planet, I need to add to that "The Earth is a POWERFUL living planet." If you aren't prepared, it can very well kick your ass all over creation. And it'll do it any number of ways, through earthquakes, floods, storms, etc. Humans should be respectful of that power instead of thinking that man can somehow alter it (without setting off all the nukes in the world at once, which is possible, but also final too).
For example, it's supposed to get to 108 this weekend. I'm going to respect that by staying inside. ;-)
-Jon
If at first you don't read, read again.
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 3:54pm.
USGS: "Earthquakes induced by human activity have been documented in a few locations in the United States, Japan, and Canada. The cause was injection of fluids into deep wells for waste disposal and secondary recovery of oil, and the use of reservoirs for water supplies."
And there's more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_seismicity
Stay off drugs, friend.
Wikipedia?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:17pm.
Oh yeah, that's the site my poodle made an entry on.
And if you notice, Rad, the
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:22pm.
And if you notice, Rad, the words "possible" and "maybe" are used an awful lot when talking about those earthquakes.
Wikipedia...the preferred fount of troll knowledge.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:27pm.
Get ready for the avalanche of badly written nonsense cited from dubious sources from connect-mo. As I stated above, I see a lot of Satchmo in this troll. Must be a liberal idiot troll kind of thing.
The lying sissy troll connect4 won't tell you the truth.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:35pm.
Yes. Fracking induces earthquakes.
YES. FRACKING INDUCES EARTHQUAKES!
1.0 or at the biggest 2.0. Biggest ---- 2.0.
2.0 earthquakes, the sissy connect4 of earthquakes.
As we know the earthquake scale is logrithmic.
Even at the biggest, 2.0 is 1,000 times smaller than a 6.0.
Say, how come the sissy connect4 did not tell you guys about the size?
Why Not...
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 3:56pm.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/top-5-ways-that/
connect4 = ignorant, gullible troll
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:28pm.
connect4, Satchmo wannabe?
Don't waste your time on
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:49pm.
Don't waste your time on connect4. He's a typical hit and run troll. He won't come back to hear what anybody has to say about his post. Just post and flee. It's the internet equivalent of screaming your side and then sticking your fingers in your ears.
Notice how he claims we're "ignorant", while he/she behaves like a 10 year old.
Okay so he/she is a
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 3:12pm.
Okay so he/she is a hypocritical troll. :-)
I know what you all have to
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:08pm.
I know what you all have to say, which is nothing but the same comically-misinformed talking points and name-calling. Wow, someone on the Internet thinks I'm a "Libtard"--fascinating stuff. Thank you for your interest in me though.
connect4 = troll! connect4 = Satchmo?
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:41pm.
Let us know when you have something of substance to offer the discussion that can be backed up by documented, objective facts. Thus far you've presented your own uninformed opinion with citations from extreme biased websites which have little to no proper research documentation.
You are funny. Find ONE
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:35pm.
You are funny. Find ONE source of scientific information that states humans can't cause earthquakes. I'll be waiting.
First, why don't you find
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:47pm.
one scientific source that says humans can't cause volcanoes. I'll be waiting.
Changed my mind. You're to ridiculous to wait on.
You're in good company.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:51pm.
Link
SOL
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 6:13pm.
ROTFLMAO!!
The onus probandi rests upon
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 10:32am.
The onus probandi rests upon you to prove your claim to be true and thus far you have not done so. None of the source citations you've provided support your claims and only propose theories rather than scientifically proven facts. My point is that there is no evidence that fracking causes earthquakes. You are intentionally misrepresenting my position and thus you are being brazenly dishonest.
During the last 60 years there have been more than 1 million oil and gas wells in the U.S. that have used fracking yet you cannot show any scientific survey that has studied even 1% (which wouldn't be scientifically significant). None of the sources you supplied showed any studies done on any significant portion of those 1,000,000 oil and gas wells that have used fracking.
http://theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/553713/Proof-Not-Ther...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230393670457639846293281087...
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110512/full/news.2011.282.html
You may consider me "funny" but my initial point stands and is validated by your fallacious responses. Namely:
Let us know when you have something of substance to offer the discussion that can be backed up by documented, objective facts. Thus far you've presented your own uninformed opinion with citations from extreme biased websites which have little to no proper research documentation.
R.I.P.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:16pm.
Sadly, the connect4 troll was out shopping for lanolin for his asshat to insure it would be rainproof yesterday when a wild herd of vaporous puppies rolled through trollietown.
I understand he went quick and painless.
Yup...NewsBusters' admin
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:53pm.
Yup...NewsBusters' admin banished yet another troll or perhaps...more than likely...a troll by another username.
Prove a negative, Incestmo/connectmo? Got it.
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 10:51am.
.
From Your Source:
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:34pm.
"However, incontrovertible proof of a connection between fracking and quakes remains to be found."
Wow, thanks for that awsome "scientific evidence". Just in case you don't understand what that means, it means that they cannot PROVE that the quakes were caused by fracking, but that the MIGHT be.
Got any other stunning revelations? Perhaps an article by Al Gore on global warming? An article on Women's rights from Bill Clinton? An article by Obama on fiscal responsibility?
What science journals do you
Submitted by connect4 on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:36pm.
What science journals do you read?
And that has WHAT to do with
Submitted by NC Cop on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 5:56pm.
And that has WHAT to do with this conversation? You posted obviously biased articles and ones that even admitted that there is no concrete proof linking fracking to earthquakes and you got called on it.
So now you want to change the subject to what science journals I read?
Classic liberal diversion.
connect4 = ignorant, gullible troll
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 08/29/2011 - 2:54pm.
Answer your own question, troll.
[ADDENDUM: He can't answer since connect4/Satchmo was forcibly removed from NewsBusters.]
Thanks, "liberal radio host Thom Hartmann."
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 12:29pm.
I bet some liberal idiot that somewhere, somehow, some liberal twit would blame the earthquake on "fracking" before the Labor Day weekend.
That was an easy $100.
Anti-Fracking is Moronic
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:11pm.
I spent some time down in Little Rock, Arkansas earlier this year for business and all of the local news stations were up in arms claiming that fracking in Arkansas was causing earthquakes. You couldn't watch the news without one story about this. I couldn't help but wonder how these people could present these stories without conducting even minimal research. Fracking operations don't go nearly deep enough to cause seismic activity.
Give 007memo credit when he tells the truth.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 9:49pm.
The biggest earthquakes that have the most tenuous link to fracking is 1 to 2 on the earthquake scale.
The author is NO SCIENTIST
Submitted by Vorlon on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 1:57pm.
another blathering liberal stooge WITHOUT A SCIENCE DEGREE, and with faulty information is trying to look smart to his equally ignorant listener. (you think he has any more?)
Liberals don't DO REAL SCIENCE. AlGore is a prime example. Liberals don't delve into details. Most of the Global warming fools site WEATHER data to support their faulty assumptions CLIMATE (which is measured in THOUSANDS of years). We only HAVE 350 years of data, the rest of that info is derived. The problem is the data collection was sloppy, and then tampered with to more agree with their theory. That ISN'T SCIENCE. AlGore doesn't know the difference.
Christie: "One year fracking ban for NJ A-OK with me."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:04pm.
Even though there IS NO freaking fracking in NJ to ban.
I'm starting to have serious doubts about this guy.
SickofLibs
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:10pm.
Who do you think is fighting the hardest against fracking? It's not the left. it's not the enviro-nerds. It's the oil lobby. They fear natural gas. If you see a politician fighting fracking, it demonstrates to me that they are in the pocket of the oil giants. Why wouldn't you support fracking? It's a viable energy source and it has the potential to create tens of thousands of jobs. It's a no-brainer.
Where did I say I'm anti-fracking?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:12pm.
Just the opposite.
SickofLibs
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:13pm.
Oh I know. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was trying to agree with you! My point was that Christie et al. are making decisions based on money, not on reality.
That was REAL dumb
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:15pm.
Now that was a real dumb thing you just said.
How can anyone say it's the oil lobby with a straight face when in fact, it's the fed gov't that's prohibiting the oil companies from doing a lot. Blaming big oil isn't the rage it used to be.
Try again.
Christie these days is demonstrating how much of a RINO he really is. He'll be the next John McCain.
-Jon
Sorry Jon, just calling it as
Submitted by PaleHorse on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:17pm.
Sorry Jon, just calling it as I see it. It's unfortunate that you disagree. What does the govt. prohibiting the oil companies from drilling offshore have to do with the fact that they oppose any AND all competition?
It's not a disagreement
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 2:27pm.
I was not giving a disagreement about anything, I was saying that it's dumb because blaming "Big Oil" is one of the most over-used tactics of the libs that's pretty much lost any meaning, not that it had any meaning to someone with common sense.
You were trying to blame big oil as if they had some sort of toe-hold on the economy when they don't have any sort of hold let alone good impact on it. That's the fault of the government because of the illegal moratorium. The idea that the oil companies would try to go against fracking is absurd because they are doing some of the fracking, like Exxon. Hm, weren't they considered "big oil" before? Why, yes, they are! Imagine that!
So like I said, try again.
-Jon
Loser Pays
Submitted by Fredy on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 3:36pm.
This is exactly why we need a loser pays legal system. These groups will submit lawsuit after lawsuit knowing they will never win. In the meantime, with luck, they will manage to cripple the various companies involved and effectively shut down this industry.
ALL of these special interest groups need to be forced to pay for any and ALL costs associated with every lawsuit that fails!
SLAPP suits
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 08/26/2011 - 4:43pm.
I believe the term is SLAPP suit.
Earthquake Could be Caused By Fracking If Two Things Were True
Submitted by Avitar on Sat, 08/27/2011 - 5:00am.
First we would have to be using small nuclear weapons or the equivalent in the fracking operations. (Plot of the James Bond movie "A View to a Kill")
Second the earthquake would have had to occur somewhere somebody had actually done fracking operations.