CNN's Belief Blog Promotes Atheist Group's Fourth of July Airplane Messaging
CNN's Belief Blog might seem more like the Unbelief Blog at times. CNN's Katie Glaeser not only publicized, but seemed to take sides with American Atheists and their campaign to fly their Godless message on airplane banners on the Fourth of July. "It's a battle of belief -- and the right not to believe -- in a country founded on freedom," she began. That's a bit of a straw man -- even President Bush repeatedly talked of the right to faith -- and no faith at all. But the latest stunt from these beleaguered anti-evangelists can get a boost from CNN:
Planes with banners that read "God-LESS America" or "Atheism is Patriotic" will be flying over 27 states on Monday. While people might be leery to see the messages overhead, the $23,000 campaign has had a struggle with those who are supposed to bring it to life.
Justin Jaye of Fly Signs Aerial Advertising, who is orchestrating the flights for American Atheists, said out of the 85 people in the country who fly these sign-pulling planes only about 17 have agreed to fly the messages.
"I've been in this business for 20 years and I've never run into so much resistance on people flying," Jaye said. "I've had pilots who are actual atheists who said, 'Justin, I am an atheist and I won't fly it because I can't wear a bulletproof vest.'"
Dave Silverman, president of American Atheists, says the reaction to the organization's campaign before it takes off shows how much work the group still needs to do. "This is a clear reminder of why we need to keep fighting because the bigotry against us is so thick that a lot of the pilots are afraid to fly our banners," he said.
Jaye said while some feared for their lives, others feared for their marriages. He had one pilot say his wife would divorce him if he made the flight.
Red Calvert, a pilot and president of Pro-Air Enterprises in Indianapolis, said his reasons to decline the flight were based on his personal beliefs.
"I respect our country and I respect our churches and we've got enough problems in our country without stirring up some more," he said. "If those people want to do something they believe in, fine, just don't include me."
The American Atheists hope to draw attention and spur public discussion through their campaign on Monday.
"It's going to remind people that atheism is at that ballgame and at that beach and at that parade. We are patriotic people," Silverman said.
Atheists can certainly be patriotic. But it gets messy when they refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance or spurn that "endowed by our Creator" business in our founding documents. Freedom is conveyed by the pilots who refuse to fly this message as well as the people who are paying to fly it.
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Backlash
Submitted by nkviking75 on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 2:46pm.
Typical liberal tactic: If you disagree with me, you're a bigot. In fact, a backlash is building against 50 plus years of living with the reality that one hyper-sensitive atheist plus a judge is a majority. One organization is called "Freedom From Religion". I don't see how they can accomplish that without denying the free exercise rights of religious people.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Having a hard time reconciling “Patriotic” and “Atheist”
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 2:59pm.
Fundamentally, one must either believe our Natural Rights come from God or that our Natural Rights spring-forth from the mind of man. If those rights come from man… they can be taken away by man - thus, they are not “Rights” at all, but mere allowances.
So it is impossible for me to believe that anyone who rejects the basic principle of Natural Rights dictated by a Power beyond the human collective can be “patriotic.”
I realize that might upset a few here… but I really don’t care.
God Bless the USA!!!
- Grump :o)
Actually, that's not true at
Submitted by Satchmo on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 3:52pm.
Actually, that's not true at all. I can believe in natural rights (I do), and I can be an atheist (I am). Religion is a creation of man; natural rights are not dependent on any religious view of a creator or creative force.
You have that God given right...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:04pm.
Please feel free to not believe in God … just don’t ask me to believe you.
It's completely true, thanks.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 5:11pm.
It is impossible to believe that rights originate where the Founding Fathers believe they originated--from God--while still trumpeting that one is an atheist.
No One to endow us with those rights? Well, then, there aren't any "natural" rights at all. Just opinions.
And, Satch, we're not talking about religion, thanks, but about God. While there are a plethora of man-made religions, God was here first. And atheism, by its own definition, precludes patriotism. The two are mutually exclusive.
--Mike
That isn't what I said. I
Submitted by Satchmo on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:55am.
That isn't what I said. I said I can believe in natural rights and be an atheist.
Of course Incestmo*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:18am.
You consistently deny you said that! You do it everyday regardless of the subject. Get a clue.
Where do those "natural" rights come from?
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:10pm.
If you don't believe in God, then where do those "natural" rights come from?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
They are innate; they exist
Submitted by Satchmo on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 2:45pm.
They are innate; they exist because we exist. Ask yourself this: if there were no god, would you still have the right to life?
Rights, according to the DOI, are not "natural."
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 8:45pm.
They are, rather, "endowed by our Creator".
And no, if this were an accidental, deity-free world as you suppose, there would be no right to Life, to Liberty, or to the pursuit of Happiness. Why? Because we'd all be stumbling along in a colossal coincidence--and life would be, literally, meaningless.
--Mike
You seriously need context.
Submitted by Satchmo on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:10pm.
You seriously need context. Locke, Jefferson, Deism, and The Age of Reason. If you had it, you wouldn't have made such an ignorant statement.
If that's your best, close up shop.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:58pm.
Respond to the statement, please, rather than resorting to the typical Molotov-lobbing.
If life is accidental, it is worthless.
Thankfully, life is not accidental.
--Mike
Worthless?
Submitted by mandrake on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 8:54pm.
"If life is accidental, it is worthless"? I beg to differ. From what I know of biology my lfe was an "accident" (you know millions of us swimming up stream so to speak) Anyway I cherish each moment.. espicially the time spent with my children..You have a weird view on life ya know.
How do you know,
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 8:59pm.
Everyone of those (millions of us swimming up stream) are only capable of making you? What in you, was not apparent in the others?
So, it's weird that life has meaning?
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 10:50pm.
Actually, your belief system doesn't allow you to legitimately cherish anything.
And, it insists that your children are mere random accidents, and not at all worthwhile.
They are, obviously, worthwhile--but you have to violate your own beliefs to feel that way.
--Mike
Life as a whole doesn't have
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:32am.
Life as a whole doesn't have meaning. The meaning of life is individual-based, what each individual assigns to it is the meaning.
"Being alive is the meaning [of life]." - Joseph Campbell
You have a strange grasp of
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:40am.
You have a strange grasp of logic that is based on the irrational. Life can be an accident and still be cherished. You are a telling a man that he cannot cherish anything when he obviously is capable of doing so and likely does. Just because you are incapable of grasping something doesn't make it illegitimate.
Nice job on focusing on an issue...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 8:58am.
...No, wait, you didn't do that at all!
Pardon my optimism.
Oh, people can cherish life, Louis; they just have to understand it's a gift.
--Mike
They have to, huh? You just
Submitted by Satchmo on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 9:04am.
They have to, huh? You just underscored my point.
In general, do you appreciate accidents?
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 3:16pm.
Just as a matter of course?
--Mike
Good evening Mike
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 3:24pm.
Caution, the bible warns us not to argue with fools.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
You're quite right.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 6:13pm.
I'm just asking simple questions, though.
--Mike
By the way, satchmo
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 07/06/2011 - 8:12pm.
"Ask yourself this: if there were no god, would you still have the right to life?"
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but the answer is NO! Without God, I wouldn't even exist. You see, God created the heavens and the earth. He even created us, including you. No God, no right to life.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Good evening Satchmo
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 3:26pm.
Without God there is no life.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Sure!
Submitted by Don L on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 8:30am.
Even Satan wasn't foolish enough to think God didn't establish His Church here on earth and infuse Man with natural law. Those who will not serve -must attack the source of their guilt. As Christ said, you will be persecuted if you follow me.
Nothing is sillier than folks expecting man to do good and be just without a compelling reason (God). Such is the lot of the non-believer.
You are either with Him or against Him -there are no moderates in Heaven or Hell.
oo, those dangerously violent right-wing haters?
Submitted by pylgrym on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 3:02pm.
Jaye said. "I've had pilots who are actual atheists who said, 'Justin, I am an atheist and I won't fly it because I can't wear a bulletproof vest.'"
Do they really believe this? I would venture to guess they're listening to the Southern Poverty Law Center too much. It's rotted their view of reality.
pylgrym
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 5:52pm.
My thoughts exactly. No one is going to be out there shooting at the planes, or waiting for them to land and shoot the pilots. Most likely the atheists didn't want to pay the price of the pilots, fuel is expensive this summer.
Those are comments CNN needs to investigate before they promote. Times being what they are, I'd be surprised if any pilot turned down work.
I think I'll have to
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:37pm.
call BS on the "pilots" who won't tug the signs around,"because I can't wear a bulletproof vest". Any pilot knows that flying straight and level, which you do towing a sign, anything coming at them would be coming from below where they're flying. They'd be sitting on their vests, not wearing one.
So, a liberal atheist lies to try to make a point? Color me shocked.
Bandits at 6 o'clock!!!
Submitted by Clutch1956 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:30pm.
Maybe they figure that the Baptist Air Force is gonna scramble a squadron of JC-3:16 Holy Ghost fighters to shoot them down? Or one of those Catholic 88mm flak cannons will be aimed their way? Just how many air-to-air missile squadrons does the Episcopal Church anyways?
The Bible Belt.
Submitted by Michael30 on Mon, 07/04/2011 - 1:36am.
Well, I guess they'll start referring to it as MiG Alley from now on.
-
Mike
Attention craving professional victims.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 3:08pm.
First of all, I know that Atheists can be just as patriotic as anyone else. Second, I tend to think this group doesn't actually represent what most Atheists think. The banner "God-LESS America" seems more like trolling, if not outright anti-theism, and "Atheism is Patriotic" is actually nonsense, because Atheism is neither patriotic OR un-patriotic. Religious views (or unreligious views) and national pride are 2 different things.
The group American Atheists seems like just another attention hungry, identity politics playing, professional whiny victim organization in the vein of NAACP, La Raza, GLAAD, CAIR, etc.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
"Liberals seem to be
Submitted by russedav on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:14pm.
"Liberals seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias."
Conservatives and libertarians are usually so Biblically illiterate they often give liberal fascists a run for their money in that regard; it's why I'm an independent Christian with God's infalliable, inerrant Word as my guide, no matter the ignorance of those who usually fail to understand what that means.
Nailed it.
Submitted by Satchmo on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:19pm.
Nailed it.
"Atheists can certainly be patriotic."
Submitted by russedav on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:11pm.
Only if slick willie "didn't have sex with that woman" and words mean nothing. No matter the poopularity of lies to the contrary, our nation was founded as a PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN ONE, with "freedom" a means endowed by the Creator, not an end in itself, that righlty tended to exclude papists and jews from the government because of their faulty rejection (still today) of the basic Christian principle of justification by faith ultimately God's gift through Jesus Christ Whom we worship (and jews thus reject as anything but a man), not man's work (and papists thus reject to make God beholden to man's works). This is why I'm an independent, not a conservative, for their historical and Biblical ignorance is profound.
Man, I can just feel all the Love of Jesus in your post!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:54am.
(Speaking as a "papist" of course).
edit: Forgot to add the ///Sarcasm// disclaimer to the headline.
In the Declaration of
Submitted by Satchmo on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:18pm.
In the Declaration of Independence, there are three references: Creator, Nature's God, and Divine Providence - all of which reflect Deism, and do not support a Protestant Christian God. Certainly to a Christian, God is the Creator, but in the DoI, Creator does not equal God. Also, the DoI does not say "the" Creator, but "our" Creator, recognizing that there are differing views.
Multiple "Creators," eh?
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 5:13pm.
I thought you were an atheist, not a polytheist.
--Mike
I thought your reading
Submitted by Satchmo on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 5:28pm.
I thought your reading comprehension was better than that.
It is, thanks.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:36am.
Unfortunately, you didn't think through your response.
If the DOI only refers to "our Creator" because, by your specious reasoning, it was a pluralistic nod to other beliefs and, hence, other "Creators," then your statement is one of polytheism.
However, if one takes, oh, a brief moment to actually peruse the document in question, one finds the term used thusly, and like so: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." (emphasis mine)
Even basic reading comprehension leads to the inescapable conclusion that the document is referring to the singular Creator of all humanity. But thanks for the contribution, and enjoy your weekend!
--Mike
You called me a polytheist.
Submitted by Satchmo on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:53am.
You called me a polytheist. In no way at all did my prior post indicate any polytheistic belief. Acknowledging that there are various religions and religious views of a Creator does not mean that I must subscribe to all of those views.
I called you worst,
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:12am.
I hope!
Good morning Satchmo
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:30am.
The declaration of independence is not the only document written founding this country. You conveniently ignore all the many references to Jesus by many of the founding fathers. Those writings refer to Jesus of Nazerath, not to Harry Kooky or whomever it is that you worship.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good morning Satchmo
Submitted by cocodrie on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:30am.
The declaration of independence is not the only document written founding this country. You conveniently ignore all the many references to Jesus by many of the founding fathers. Those writings refer to Jesus of Nazerath, not to Harry Kooky or whomever it is that you worship.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Um, yes you did.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:33am.
Don't fault our comprehension when it is your idiocy that is the cause of your confusion.
I also find it funny that "incestmo" doesn't seem to bother you near as much as "polytheist".
Sick freak.
Take care
Submitted by Boudin on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:11am.
Big-guy, Chill
Yet still a single Creator
Submitted by CobraMan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:13pm.
"Also, the DoI does not say "the" Creator, but "our" Creator, recognizing that there are differing views."
Different views of a single Creator. Hence the singular use of the term.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
russdave
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 5:46pm.
Anti semetic and anti Catholic. And you want to exclude the practicers of those religions from government. Do you have some kind of sharia law of your own you'd like to impose?
Rad, he probably does,
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:40pm.
and Incestmo would be his 13th Imam.
I missed it,
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:45pm.
so, kindly point out where the founding fathers put the "Jews not Welcome" signs, or the "Catholics not Welcome" signs. Bigot!!!
CNN "Belief" blog
Submitted by Ginos Opinion on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:14pm.
Maybe CNN should rename it "Lack of Belief" blog
I'll Admit
Submitted by ctophfranko on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:40pm.
that I'm not much of a believer, but I don't really care that other people don't believe. I don't get the missionary atheists. Kinda defeats the purpose.
So the 4th of July is a time to spread the word about atheism?
Submitted by BTW Biological ... on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:23pm.
I thought the 4th of July was one of those few holidays that was secular. I thought the 4th was suppose to be about america and a celebration of just that. So now these atheists are using this holiday to showcase atheism? If atheist argue that someone's faith or religious beliefs should be irrelevant to their patriotism, why do they think that their atheism is some how relevant to their patriotism?
Afterall atheist wouldn't like it much if religious minded people used the fourth to spread their beliefs.
Common Sense please...
Submitted by NotUrAverageJoe on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:41am.
Man is GOD made. 0+0 will never equal 1.
Here are two VIDEOS that promote the true America.
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 1:58am.
America The Beautiful Flash Mob Food Court. will warm your patriotic heart.
Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance is one of the best renditions of the Pledge I have heard.
God Bless America!
Thanks Rush Fan for posting those links.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:46am.
Both were great and "Red Skeltons Pledge" was magnificent (and prophetic).
A Happy and Blessed 4th to you and all.
- Grump :o)
Grumpy in Arizona......You are quite welcome.
Submitted by Rush Fan on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 3:48pm.
May you and your loved ones have a safe and blessed 4th also.
God Bless America!
America is not America without God.
Submitted by Ted Clarke on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 2:20am.
America is a COUNTRY set apart by clear border lines. It's a nation of PEOPLE set apart by legal documentation. But more than anything, it's a CONCEPT set apart and made exceptional by the nature of its source - i.e. Judeo-Christian philosophy.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Jefferson declared - and each signer affirmed - that we are all "created" by our "Creator". He capitalized the letter "C" for a specific and serious reason. Leftists of today, however, would not be content to simply demote our "creator" to a small-case "c", they would edit Jefferson's words, re-write history and delete God the Creator from our collective conciousness. The proof of this was recently demonstrated by NBC, which removed the words "under God" from our Pledge. And more proof is here in a Scholastic book called, "Everything You Need to Know About American History", by Anne Zeman and Kate Kelly (2005). On page 23, this is what they say about "The Declaration of Independence":
"Jefferson wrote, that 'all men are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable [unchangeable] rights,' including 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'". Everything you "NEED" to know, ideed.
These women are liars and propagandists. That is NOT what he wrote! He and our Founding Fathers specifically included the word "Creator", because without this supreme authority, our rights cannot be unalienable and our lives cannot be innately valuable. By removing God the Creator from the equation, these women undermine the whole concept of America.
Certainly, everyone has the right to reject the existence of God. But no one has the right to rewrite history and "fundamentally transform" America into a godless country. True American patriots -- theists and atheists alike -- would know never to do that. America is not America without God.
We have no Rights other than from Nature's God!
Submitted by Don L on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 8:17am.
There are no rights due man, other than those incurred by the nature of his being made in the image of his Creator (Nature's Gods) All other "rights" (including those sought by the Godless for trees and rocks) are mere priveliges of law, given by the state and therefore, subject to hasty removal by the state.
The Godless (atheists included, as well as certain fiscal(only) conservatives and libertarians) seek to demand their gift of rights from God due to their humaity, but reject all the moral responsibility which is inseparably bonded to their very nature. Swiss cheese morality and theology is suicide, as we can see with this nation that has so adopted anti-God, anti-nature, relativism and situational ethics.
We are not as the Godless (left and right) would tell us with biodiversity -mere animals -just another species, or as stated in one of my teacher's manuals - "a boy is a dog, is a rat!" This view is but to obtain the "rights due our humanity, but reserve our behavior to the lesser animal level.
And these folks call themselves "rational"
We have no Rights other than from Nature's God!
Submitted by Don L on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 8:18am.
There are no rights due man, other than those incurred by the nature of his being made in the image of his Creator (Nature's Gods) All other "rights" (including those sought by the Godless for trees and rocks) are mere priveliges of law, given by the state and therefore, subject to hasty removal by the state.
The Godless (atheists included, as well as certain fiscal(only) conservatives and libertarians) seek to demand their gift of rights from God due to their humaity, but reject all the moral responsibility which is inseparably bonded to their very nature. Swiss cheese morality and theology is suicide, as we can see with this nation that has so adopted anti-God, anti-nature, relativism and situational ethics.
We are not as the Godless (left and right) would tell us with biodiversity -mere animals -just another species, or as stated in one of my teacher's manuals - "a boy is a dog, is a rat!" This view is but to obtain the "rights due our humanity, but reserve our behavior to the lesser animal level.
And these folks call themselves "rational"
This thread is a bummer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:55pm.
So I found a little something for those who are true Patriots
And here for all those atheists, a small reminder
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO EVERYONE!
My Athiestic Plea To NB
Submitted by Coldsnap on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 5:56am.
Look, I know you’re scared. At some point, you realized you would eventually die. Like any drowning person, you flailed around for a lifeline. All you wanted was a promise of that next breath and you’d do anything to get it.
Someone came along and handed you a ‘divine’ line that you could follow for a price. You grasped it and found comfort in it being there. You stopped thrashing and felt an inner peace come over you as the line promised everything would be alright so long as you followed it without deviating. As you started following the line and paying your dues, you noticed that other people were following this same line which made you feel even safer.
After some time, you’ve come across other swimmers not fairing so well on their own. You’ve ‘saved’ them by handing them the same line. In doing so, the line has gotten stronger in your hands. More people used it to survive.
Along the way, some other people swimming without a line pointed out that the divine line you were following was really a line made by other men. They’ve tried to point out you were spending too much of your limited time in the water only swimming one direction when there was a much bigger area to explore if you just swam under your own direction.
Taking away a drowning person’s lifeline is not an easy thing and so you instinctively gripped it tighter. Panic set in and you felt the natural urge to lash out at anyone who tried to separate you from the line that has ‘saved’ your life. Others also following the line near you shouted down the free swimmers, warning them not to touch their lines. The others also prophesized that by not following the line, the free swimmers would soon perish. So the free swimmers pushed on, content to enjoy their time in the water.
I am one of those free swimmers who enjoys what is discussed this site. As a fiscally conservative tax payer, I enjoy seeing discussions of how to better our country. But I can’t help but wonder if we are hurting out conversation with the left who are mostly free swimmers themselves by letting some of the loudest voices be those who follow the line. Once a line follower who has a pretty sound idea pulls the line from the water and says ‘the line has given us the way’, the free swimmers simply roll their eyes and the idea is thus tainted.
I could care less if you follow a line, worship a potato or lick paint chips in honor of the flying spaghetti monster. Let’s spend our time here focused on the ideas of moving the country ahead and not trying to prop up your beliefs. I’m certain there are other sites dedicated to your particular path and I would encourage you to have your discussions there.
Liberal bias has damaged this country fiscally. That Tom and Jerry down the street might get married doesn’t matter when Democrats continue to create new ways to fatten their ranks by putting more people on the tax teat. Sex on the TV doesn’t impact our ballooning debt. And that free swimmers are doing X doesn't matter when we're about to ruin our ability to keep the lights on.
Right now, please, focus on the one thing that is VERY real and leave the discussions about the line for another forum. Or else, please someone be kind enough to point me to another forum that exposes the liberal media but without the line.
A little bit of Christmas magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS4G2f2Xy3w
You do know
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 10:40am.
that you're free to leave at any time, correct? You seek some one who will "be kind enough to point me to another forum that exposes the liberal media but without the line". Here's a hint, Bing and Google are out there, go find it yourself. Last time I checked, NB doesn't have to cater to your whim, exercise some of that free will and go find it yourself.
If the culture is debased, the debt doesn't matter.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 7:16pm.
Obviously, despite your comments to the contrary, it chafes you that NewsBusters highlights liberal media bias on social, as well as fiscal, issues. You spent several paragraphs mocking others' beliefs, when your own unfortunate atheism leads to nothing but, well, nothingness. But because contributors on this site decry liberalism's trumpeting of sexual deviancy, you're distressed.
Sorry to hear that. But, honestly, you have more to be distressed about.
--Mike
Mike Bratton
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 8:37pm.
"If the culture is debased, the debt doesn't matter."
Like.
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My Atheistic Mocking of Coldsnap
Submitted by MrShy on Sun, 07/10/2011 - 8:05pm.
Oh look, it's a blowhard, pompous, pretentious "conservative" atheist, flashing his fiscal conservie street cred while using up half the page thumping on relatively harmless bible "thumpers" and preaching his own anti-gospel gospel.
Oh, and he completely misses the point of NewsBusters and acts as if the tagline reads "Exposing & Combating Fiscal Liberal Media Bias". Go figure.
- Shy Vinyl
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Interesting
Submitted by Coldsnap on Mon, 07/11/2011 - 5:54pm.
So, if Lady Gaga sells a song right now about marrying a woman and at the same time the media softballs Obama on tax breaks, when the microphone is passed to you you'd be more upset about two women committing to each other than your neighbor's ability to get a job? Mighty tight grip you have on that line. Best not let anyone shake that...
Folks, I'm a collapsed catholic. I love religion when it keeps people from killing me and stealing my wife or Xbox. What I know now though is that the time has come to focus on the ONE tangible issue that is going to damage our ability to function as a country and it's hard to do when you tuck your specific beliefs in into the 'everything is wrong' message. It's like me standing on the corner shouting 'I've got a cure for our drug problem in the city and 'The Purple People Eater' has given me the strength to stand up for what's right.'
You'd toss me a few quarters and tell me to go sleep it off. Look, we can talk all damn day long about religion and never get anywhere. But we CAN take action like O'Keefe and do something about liberal establishments in order to showcase the dirtbags out there cutting deals and blowing our children's futures. Up to you.
A little bit of Christmas magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS4G2f2Xy3w