Cheers for Charles Barkley Bashing 'Them Bible-Thumpers'
On Wednesday, Washington Post sports columnist Mike Wise championed a "very gay spring" in sports and an interview he did on the radio with former NBA star Charles Barkley, complete with the headline "Sir Charles champions a noble cause: tolerance." If "tolerance" is being taught, "Bible-thumpers" are being bashed. This is how the column ended:
"We gossiped behind each other’s back before; I’ll be the first to admit that," he [Barkley] said, before adding, "The first people who whine and complain is them Bible-thumpers, who are supposed to be non-judgmental, who rail against them. Hey, man, I don’t worry about what other people do."
In this ever open-minded May, amen to that.
"Amen" to rejecting the Bible: that’s a liberal-media mantra. Naturally, Barkley also proclaimed opposing homosexuality as a sin is just like racism:
"First of all, society discriminates against gay people," Barkley said. "They always try to make it like jocks discriminate against gay people. I’ve been a big proponent of gay marriage for a long time, because as a black person, I can’t be in for any form of discrimination at all."
The occasion for this interview is the New York Times piece announcing that Phoenix Suns president Rick Welts was coming out. Wise saw things to "amen" all over:
We are just four years removed from Tim Hardaway, in response to former player John Amaechi coming out, saying he "hates gay people," and LeBron James ignorantly adding that he could not trust a teammate who was in the closet because he believed untruthfulness in his personal life would actually hurt him on the court.
Four years later, in an enlightening way, sports has undergone a very gay spring.
First the Lakers’ Kobe Bryant was hit with a $100,000 fine for uttering a gay slur at a referee, an incident Bryant later called a "teaching moment" as he and the club partnered with a gay-rights group to educate others.
Then, there was the New York Rangers’ Sean Avery’s endorsement ad for the Human Rights Campaign’s "New Yorkers for Marriage Equality Campaign," an instigator in the most testosterone-laden of sports, no less.
Over the weekend, Grant Hill and Jared Dudley, coincidentally two Phoenix Suns players, participated in an NBA public service announcement that denounced the use of the term "gay" as acceptable trash talk on the playground.
It was also revealed that former Villanova player Will Sheridan came out to teammates during his career with the Wildcats, with no ramifications whatsoever.
And now Barkley, who played as masculine as any 6-foot-4 power forward in the history of playground or pro hoops, uttering the words, "It didn’t bother me," saying he knew he had gay teammates.
"Any professional athlete who gets on TV or radio and says he never played with a gay guy is a stone-freakin’ idiot," Barkley said. "I would even say the same thing in college. Every college player, every pro player in any sport has probably played with a gay person.
Barkley’s message: Don’t worry. Deal with it.
Barkley's interview with Wise also drew "Quote of the Day" honors at the NBC Sports blog Hardball Talk (by Craig Calcaterra, not Chris Matthews):
First of all, every player has played with gay guys. It bothers me when I hear these reporters and jocks get on TV and say, ‘Oh, no guy can come out in a team sport. These guys would go crazy.’ First of all, quit telling me what I think. I’d rather have a gay guy who can play than a straight guy who can’t play.
Calcaterra added:
I still maintain that the biggest issue facing a ballplayer who came out would not be their teammates — for the reason Barkley suggests — and would not be the haters, because they would be quickly shouted down for the Neanderthals they are.
No, the biggest problem would be the positive or, at the very least, curious media hype that would surround it. The player would be asked to do so many interviews and personal appearances, mostly by non-sports media, that it would create a way bigger headache than the anti-gay stuff would. By far.
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them Bible-thumpers, who are
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 8:52am.
them Bible-thumpers, who are supposed to be non-judgmental, who rail against the
Why do people think we Bible thumpers are supposed to be no-judgemental? People need to really read and understand the Bible.
Judgmental?
Submitted by Tim Graham on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 9:15am.
Barkley thinks that the Bible-thumper is supposed to be the first to accept homosexuality? Liberals use "judgmental" against traditionalists, as if they don't pass judgment on their adversaries? They constantly insist conservatives are stupid and villainous.
The real assumption here is that religious people are playing a "Holier-Than-Thou" game of some kind. I'm not holier than anyone. I need to ask for contrition daily. There's not a competition where one of us gets chosen for Heaven, and the others lose, like some reality show. The goal is to share Heaven with everyone. You can't share Heaven by rejecting what the Bible says.
Exactly Tim! Agree 100%.
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 9:35am.
Exactly Tim! Agree 100%. They hate hypocrites because they are the biggest of hypocrites... and are playing "holier-than-thou" just by saying this. True Christians KNOW they are sinful by nature and seek forgiveness, while the self justified won't even say there is right or wrong and thus can continue to do whatever pleases them. Your Mom speaks out in love to correct you. Only a fool would not consider advice or correction. Speaking out IS the loving thing to do. It is not out of hate by any means. The media & Hollywood totally twists this love into hate. That is just 180 degrees wrong.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Gingrich gets Iowa slam & glitter dumped on him
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 9:17am.
Did anyone see the Andrea Mitchell piece this AM (about 7:05AM CST) on Gingrich? Man they nailed him from both sides. The Iowa citizen appropriately slams him really, really strongly and then they show him getting the glitter treatment. There should be a thread on that clip... Obama needs this treatment. Confront & have on video! Gingrich is an embarrassment and should drop out. Dems already fund raising w/his video talking about "radical" Rep plans.
As for Bible thumpers and judgement... that is an extremely derogatory judgement in itself. See you need to make judgements to live life. That is an extremely misused use of the Bible to say you should not judge behavior during your life. We got to this point in our Country because Christians did not speak out soon enough. Wool was pulled over their eyes. This was founded as a Christian nation and we LIKE those values. Yes we are going to speak out Barkley just as you are. This is the start of the Christian persecution they, including Obama, are trying their BEST to implement.
Might I remind people of who spoke out on Hitler: A Lutheran Pastor spoke out on Hitlers inaugeration day... few listened!
“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” — DIETRICH BONHOEFFER
As Adolf Hitler and the Nazis seduced a nation, bullied a continent, and attempted to exterminate the Jews of Europe, a small number of dissidents and saboteurs worked to dismantle the Third Reich from the inside. One of these was Dietrich Bonhoeffer—a pastor and author, known as much for such spiritual classics as The Cost of Discipleship and Life Together, as for his 1945 execution in a concentration camp for his part in the plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler.
Book & background: http://www.ericmetaxas.com/books/bonhoef....he-third-reich/
Other quotes of his: http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/29333.Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
He's mad at God
Submitted by dreamsincolor on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 10:28am.
Cause even Hank Haney couldn't help his golf game.
"Hey, man, I don’t worry about what other people do."
Submitted by GW on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 1:32pm.
Hey man, you just did.
Bible Thumpers?
Submitted by GeneralAl on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 2:24pm.
Bible thumpers, my foot! Read the word: Romans 1:18 -26
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
From Bible Gateway .com
Don't blame the Bible thumpers, God said it himself!
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
Idiot...
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 2:44pm.
Who told this idiot that "Bible thumpers" are non-judgmental?
They are judgmental, as they should be. We need far more judgmentalism in this country, not less.
Only those in the idiot culture believe in non-judgmentalism.
Romans chapter I
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:04pm.
is a slam dunk by Saint Paul to the Romans on the "issue"of what being "gai" will get you.
Don't expect "Sir Charles" to change his mind with Romans I, 24. The mound of rebound is so full of illiterate catch phrases to grasp anything beyond an Alley Oop. >>> http://charlesbarkley.com/
"For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him,... 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.... Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones... men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
"Why do people think we Bible
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:53pm.
"Why do people think we Bible thumpers are supposed to be no-judgemental? People need to really read and understand the Bible."
I agree but "Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark" sounds more neopagan; more Hitlerian. It isn't at all Jesus.
Yeah, lrgon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 7:30pm.
Jesus drive the money dudes from the temple with hugs and kisses.
MD
Did our Lord kill any of them?
Submitted by lrgon on Thu, 05/19/2011 - 2:32am.
Getting angry at people for selling and making a profit in the temple of worship is one thing. He overturned tables and released birds and animals. That is different ( and I am certain you know that) from rejoicing and relishing in the death of human beings. First off Bush and Obama are not the Lord and and second children are not supposed to be shot in the dark.
Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
But Jesus said, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Yeah, ellergon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 05/19/2011 - 10:35pm.
And certain crimes are not "supposed" to be committed.
What exactly is your point?
People sin, and commit terrible atrocities, as well.
Are you preaching that hell and damnation is somehow contra-indicated?
Pontificating?
Or just trying to familiarize me with biblical text?
What is your point?
MD
I'll thump my Bible twenty-four hours a day, thanks.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 4:42pm.
If Barkley is so uneducated as to equate a sexual deviancy with ethnicity, then I feel even more sorry for him than I did before.
The Bible is trustworthy; Barkley is not.
--Mike
I am one Bible thumper that
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 05/18/2011 - 5:25pm.
I am one Bible thumper that refuses to watch the thugs in the NBA or even listen to their comments. Back when the Big Dance was going on I'd turn the TV every time I saw Barkley. I can't stand him