Abortionist Rants on Daily Kos: 'Extreme Religion Stops a Thinking Brain and Kills Women'
Denizens of the Daily Kos were delighted Monday by a more-than-6,300-word rant by an abortionist from Texas bylined "Beket." The headline was "Extreme Religion Stops a Thinking Brain -- and Kills Women and Teenage Girls." Naturally, it was "One of the best diaries I have read on DKos," wrote one thrilled commenter. "Well-written. Well-thought out."
Dr. "Beket" began: "I am a proud, even defiant, abortion provider...First, let me assure you that it is not that I love embryos and fetuses less, but that I love women and teenage girls more – although I must confess that I really have no love, nor any feeling at all, for insentient embryos and fetuses in the wombs of women and teenage girls who do not want them there." The people who call themselves "pro-life," he insisted, were "religious extremists" and deluded, psychotic torturers and murderers:
These belief-driven, thoroughly propagandized religious extremists who call themselves "pro-life," possessing little if any more compassion for real living, breathing, thinking, feeling women and real living, breathing, thinking, feeling teenage girls living their real lives than was expressed by the Roman Catholic inquisitors of long ago who regularly, proudly, piously, and publicly tortured and hanged or burned alive real living, breathing, thinking, feeling women and real living, breathing, thinking, feeling teenage girls (and men and boys) living their real lives for such "sins" or "crimes against God" of "witchcraft" and "heresy,"are succeeding in their zealous efforts to recriminalize abortion care.
"Rigidly legalistic religious belief systems" are "flooding" the halls of government and the media:
Far too many, still, in the 21st century, hold to the facetious maxim, "ignorance is bliss," (though often believing they not only are not ignorant, but know it all) and persist in plunging through their lives uninformed or misinformed, proud of it, and even aggressively defending and championing their ignorance and prejudice, oblivious to the swaths of pain and suffering and destruction they create in their wakes and feeling righteous about it.
I'm talking about the pain and suffering and destruction of, for example, a conscious, feeling woman or teenage girl stricken with an unwanted pregnancy, which is often to her not a "precious gift from God" or a "divine miracle," but a stressful catastrophe of a devastating and incapacitating magnitude. Embryos and fetuses don't suffer or feel pain or anything else. We know that they do not have sufficient brain development for conscious sensation until late in the 3rd trimester. I see nothing compelling to distinguish them from the uncountable billions of early embryos lost on used tampons and pads as the results of early spontaneous abortions ("miscarriages"). But the women and teenage girls are a different story. They are our daughters, our sisters, our mothers, our lovers. They think and feel. And we should think highly of them and feel for them.
Someone rightly said, "A woman does not want an abortion like she wants an ice cream cone, a new dress, or a Porsche; she wants an abortion like an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg to escape."
"Beket" likes that quote so much it's repeated later in the rant. Notice that the doctor stridently sticks to the dogmatic assumption that fetuses do not suffer pain, even when premature babies of the same age certainly do. Is this the triumph of "science" or ideology? The doctor also avoids the scientific evidence of humanity as seen in a sonogram, that anyone could be moved that this is more than an insensate glob of disposable tissue.
The abortionist recounted a story (real or imagined) of a pro-life college activist who came in for an abortion, and he was angered that she might return to her ignorance, but also pitied her:
I pitied her for having spent her young life smothered under the crushing weight of the dogma of her religion, as so much of her human potential - so much of her peace of mind, her self-esteem, her common sense, her ability to experience her natural (God-given?") sensuality unencumbered by shame and guilt and fear, her capacity for free critical thinking, her basic honesty and acceptance of reality, and her rationality and understanding - was cold-pressed out of her and replaced by dogmatic superstitious beliefs that abducted and buried her mind under shame, guilt, anxiety, false certainty, and fear of everlasting punishment, and desiccated and twisted her life experience, transforming her into a judgmental mannequin of self-righteous hypocrisy.
Some might call an abortionist calling someone else a murderer and torturer a "judgmental mannequin of self-righteous hypocrisy." Before this tale, "Beket" unleashed this atheist screed:
And the vast majority of humans unknowingly suffer to at least some significant degree from a learned and conditioned thought disorder that causes them to fail to recognize and acknowledge the huge difference between knowing and merely believing. For a great many, probably most, believing without evidence to support and confirm the belief is exalted and given dominance over knowing and understanding factual reality. Many people, although plenty smart, relegate their potential intelligence to a position subservient to indoctrinated, unfounded belief and thus render themselves, in varying degrees, quite ignorant in terms of knowledge and understanding provided by honest appraisal of factual reality, thus sometimes in some ways appearing to be quite "stupid" or even "crazy." And in many, no matter how intelligent and educated they are, this thought disorder is of sufficient force and intransigence to qualify them as psychotic - the psychiatric word for insane.
No matter how fervently - even defiantly - even ragefully - one believes that he or she knows what he or she merely believes, he or she merely believes it, and he or she might be wrong - very wrong.)
In general, thinkers do not believe, and believers do not think.
Regarding ardent religious believers of all religions, I question and impugn neither the passionate sincerity nor the noble and good intentions of many of them, and it is likely that most of my friends and colleagues in abortion care are religious believers. However, I can find no credible reason to accept their often strong and fiercely obstinate beliefs as having any basis in reality whatsoever. I think they have been hoodwinked and led astray into thinking in the irrational ways that are catapulting us into worldwide calamity, not by what they don't know, but by what they so strongly believe they know for sure that, as far as we can know, just ain't so. As is allegorized by their frequent referral to themselves as "sheep" and their rigidly authoritarian and ideological priests, pastors, imams, etc., as "shepherds," they strongly tend to believe, without question or critical thought, whatever they are told to believe and to slavishly follow orders, or pretend to, however disconnected from anything real their chosen "authorities" often are.
To this Kosmonaut, abortion is a virtue. Saying there were too many abortions is objectionable:
I often hear some version of "All of us can agree that there are too many abortions in the United States today." Oh? What is this - Goldilocks and the Three Bears? If there are "too many abortions in the United States today" what number would be too few? How many would be just right? Are there too few safe, legal abortions in the world, since tens of thousands of desperate women and teenage girls every year suffer and die from unsafe illegal ones? Aren't the approximately 70,000 living, breathing human females who die every year in this world from unsafe illegal abortions approximately 70,000 "too many?" My just right number of safe legal abortions is just enough for all the women and girls who need and choose them. Enough is ideal, but too many, whatever that means, is infinitely better than not enough when referring to the lives and health of women and teenage girls.
The abortionist singled out the Catholic Church for its “vigorous support and reinforcement” of Third World women dying from abortion, infant mortality, HIV transmission, and deadly overpopulation, and then added:
And let's not forget the women brutalized and incarcerated by law enforcement in those countries in which the powerful Roman Catholic Church has pushed for and won the criminalization of abortion and achieved that cruel piece of "God's will on Earth be done." In countries such as Mexico, Chile and El Salvador women having not only induced abortions, but spontaneous abortions ("miscarriages"), are routinely subjected to police investigations and interrogation, arrested, and incarcerated. Many women having natural spontaneous miscarriages are so afraid of such persecution and prosecution that they avoid seeking medical care in such situations, and some (many I would think) die.
These terrible atrocities are completely and easily preventable and treatable by modern medical science. However, the implementation of modern medical science is blocked by the ardent extremists of the so-called "pro-life" movement, predominantly in the western world by religious fanatics and their supporters in the name of God and Jesus.
Those atrocities are what so-called "pro-life" citizens and politicians stand for.
Finally, there had to be a comparison between religious pro-lifers and the 9/11 terrorists:
Even so, tragically, there are today droves of willfully ignorant and misguided persons and their narrow and uncompromising political, legal, and religious organizations in this country who are zealously struggling to throw history into reverse and turn back the clock to those hideous times before Roe v. Wade. They strive to recreate the blood bath and the derailed and wrecked lives that existed prior to Roe vs. Wade as one especially pernicious and merciless plank in their ardent campaign to transform our free society into a religious tyranny motivated by much the same sort of fervent and uncompromising beliefs that moved other crazed religious fanatics of a different religious persuasion to guide large airliners full of innocent people into large buildings full of innocent people in that infamous "faith-based initiative" on September 11, 2001. (I'm merely connecting the dots.) The irrational roots of religious beliefs nourish intolerance to the point of murder and genocide. And war.
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Extreme Religion Stops a
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:38pm.
Extreme Religion Stops a Thinking Brain -- and Kills Women and Teenage Girls
Well, that's Islam for you.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:44pm.
Please don't forget the extreme green religion of Climate Change that not only is a danger to women and teenage girls but calls for the irradication of all of mankind with the exception of the enlightened few who know what is best for us all.
Islam extreme
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:09pm.
Dave, that was the first thing I thought of when I saw that title. Certainly wasn't Christianity that came to mind. The other was like it was pointed out, the global warming religion except it kills everyone.....at least economically.
-Jon
There's a difference
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 4:05pm.
Christians tell non-believers 'Jesus loves you!', Muslims tell non-believers 'Die infidel!'.
Since Christianity isn't a religion...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:11pm.
...I couldn't agree more.
--Mike
Can I plagiarize parts of this?
Submitted by Ron_servative on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:01pm.
with minor editing this can easily be turned on it's head:
The people who call themselves "pro-choice," he insisted, were "extremists" and deluded, psychotic torturers and murderers
These belief-driven, thoroughly propagandized extremists who call themselves "pro-choice," possessing little if any more compassion for real living, feeling pre-borns
Far too many, still, in the 21st century, hold to the facetious maxim, "ignorance is bliss," (though often believing they not only are not ignorant, but know it all) and persist in plunging through their lives uninformed or misinformed, proud of it, and even aggressively defending and championing their ignorance and prejudice, oblivious to the swaths of pain and suffering and destruction they create in their wakes and feeling righteous about it. (no editing needed;^)
etc, etc, etc...
The other side of the coin.
Submitted by mandrake on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:22pm.
Look, I don't like abortion any more than you do..BUT I have three daughters in their early twenties and I don't like the idea of anyone..especially the government ..telling them what they can and cannot with their womb.It's their CHOICE.
It's none of the FEDERAL Gov't business
Submitted by Ron_servative on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:58pm.
Let the States decide, now that is in the Constitution.
You're right. And every
Submitted by Soldat44 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:23pm.
You're right. And every action they take up to the point of insemination/conception is their CHOICE also.
God Bless.
True
Submitted by mandrake on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:48pm.
And that is between them and God. I just don't want people/government getting in the way of their own choices.
Do you like the idea, then...
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 3:17pm.
...of someone or some group facilitating the death of your yet-to-be-born grandchild?
--Mike
What?
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 4:33pm.
I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around your comment.Who is going to kill my 'yet-to-be-born grandchild'? Certainly not my daughters...I raised them right. BUT and it's a big BUT..should they choose...I want them to have a choice..they will have to live with it ..it's not mine or yours to make..got it!
mandrake
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 5:39pm.
What choice does the baby have?
Women can choose, very easily, NOT to get pregnant. That is the choice.
Mistake from the beginng
Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 6:42am.
I knew this was a mistake. I've survived for years on NB by staying away from this debate. It's a no-win topic. But one of my daughters got me a fine bottle of scotch for my birthday..I opened it and look were it got me!..sorry 'bout that.
Ah, the old canard, it's my
Submitted by dscott on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:23pm.
Ah, the old canard, it's my body and my choice. Sorry to inform you of reality so yes, drink down another bottle.
I don't have the right to cut off my fingers or toes, arms or legs or poke out my eyes lest I be committed to the insane asylum. I thought it was my body and therefore my choice? NO? I can't take drugs without the authorization from a doctor called a perscription otherwise I go to jail for abusing drugs. Why is it illegal? Because you are abusing your body. I thought I could do with my body as I please? NO? Then you nor any other female have a right to take the life of a child in the womb, much less any male pressure you or perform such a procedure. It's called circular reasoning, you can't do with your body anything you please and as such the claim it's your body and I can make any choice I want to regarding it is an illogical non starter. Yes, it does appeal to illogical emotionalism, but popularist sounding sloganeering doesn't make for sound decision making either.
In fact, let me take that one step further, you can't do anything you please at all OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. Try walking on a beach after sunset inside city limits, see what happens if a cop sees you. Just because you are physically capable of doing something doesn't mean you should. Just because you are capable of making a choice doesn't mean you are free to make a bad choice. You confuse anarchy with freedom.
Their "choice"..
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:43pm.
to take the life of someone who doesn't have a choice. That makes it a little more involved than just a womb.
Ah, the wonder of a natural spontaneous miscarriage.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:17pm.
Like a blessing from heaven. All women should be so lucky.
I can't believe this fiend holds a medical license. But like our beloved Zippers here @ NB, we can hope that he is in fact just an attention-seeker, masquerading as something he is not.
The article speaks for itself.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:29pm.
Bigotry knows no bounds.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
"psychotic torturers and
Submitted by rwesley2.0 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:30pm.
"psychotic torturers and murderers"
Yeah, that's some projection that only a liberal can come up with.
1773
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:39pm.
The only proper response to Duh-lyKOS is "1773". That helps remind them that Markos doesn't know when The Boston Tea Party occured.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Poorly written drivel
Submitted by Model850 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:39pm.
The opening 103-word paragraph was tortuous.
I stopped reading after the 120-word paragraph "pitying" the young woman who came to him for an abortion.
It almost seemed as though he were writing the way he'd talk to someone with an opposing point of view: Talk fast and don't pause for a second lest the other side have the chance to rebut.
Guess the "doctor" is unfamiliar with the KISS admonition.
Beket droppings
Submitted by Tim Graham on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:40pm.
In the comments field, Beket the Abortionist also commented:
All religions are the same at their core: belief in traditional myths for which there is not and never has been a shred of supportive and credible evidence.
Please tell me how it is "malarkey" to question unfounded belief....
A quote I like is (paraphrased): Good persons do good things, and bad persons do bad things; for a good person to do bad things takes religion.
Living, breathing, thinking, feeling...
Submitted by Phryj1 on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:55pm.
A fetus, as he calls an unborn baby, is indeed living, thinking, and feeling. They might not be able to breathe on their own, but 3 out of 4 ain't bad. It starts as early 3 months. There is scientific proof of this.
This guy wants to talk about unthinking belief in dogma, well how about his unthinking belief in 'pro-choice' dogma? Like not counting someone as a human being if they aren't born yet, despite scientific evidence to the contrary.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
amen.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:44pm.
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Scare tactics
Submitted by MissMinPhx on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:57pm.
Another example of the left using scare tactics and simply making up issues where none exist. The reality is that that it is highly unlikely that women will ever lose the right to an abortion in this country. Even IF (a big if) a case challenging Roe vs. Wade ever did make it to the Supreme Court (highly unlikely) and the decision was reversed (also highly unlikely), that would not make abortion illegal, as lefties like to scare people into thinking. A reversal of Roe vs. Wade would simply mean that states have the right to restrict abortions. Most states would do nothing, meaning abortion would remain legal. Some states might try to pass restrictions, but even that too is highly unlikely. Yet we continue to have this debate (thanks to the lefties) - with both sides knowing full well that Roe vs. Wade can not be undone. People have a right to be opposed to abortion. They have a right to picket, to appeal to their legislators to try to pass laws to at least protect young people from the dangers of abortion. Most of us who are opposed to abortion know we can't change much. We know we can't eliminate abortion. But that doesn't stop the left from wanting to shame us into silence. It's shameless,
Did any of the brilliant, deep thinking, Kosmonauts ...
Submitted by LibertyAtStake on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:04pm.
... think to ask if the logic of the rant might require any modification should the two word phrase "partial birth" be submitted for consideration?
d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"
That's a lot of emotion in there
Submitted by GW on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:08pm.
Thanks for letting the article speak for itself. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Religious people don't think! They don't!! They don't! They don't!!"
GW, Keep you day and night job....tax payer
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:22pm.
It's a show down...
Tax-Paying Class
VS
The Entitlement Class
You Didn't Build That.
I like that!
Submitted by GW on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:38pm.
.
Paging Dr. Kaczynski
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:35pm.
Whew! That was like the Unabomber's Manifesto... only by an abortionist - the Gynabomber..
These soul-less Kos bastards
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:43pm.
These soul-less Kos bastards won't rest until Christianity is abolished. If their mothers had chosen to abort them, where would they be? Certainly not spewing out all that vomit and distortions. These mutants are a perversion of what it is to be human and are a plague on this country. Rationalizing infanticide and calling it a "right" is something animals won't even do.
Want to know why this country is screwed up? It's because any shred of humanity and decency has died in these people and as a country we'll all pay a heavy price.
rationalization for infanticide
Submitted by wizardjr on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:51pm.
His moral compass isn't broken - it's not there at all.
Talk about your
Submitted by dscott on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 3:59pm.
Talk about your anti-religious bigotry!
"The people who call themselves "pro-life," he insisted, were "religious extremists" and deluded, psychotic torturers and murderers"
A fine demonstration of liberal intolerance if ever there was one. To the liberal elites, you are entitled to your own opinion and beliefs only IF it conforms to theirs. Can't we all just get along? Only IF you don't oppose my imposition of my belief system on you.
Physician, heal thyself
Submitted by HockeyKid on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 4:07pm.
All I could think during that entire rant was, "Care to look in the mirror there, doc?" He's obvious suffering from the very affliction he describes as "psychotic".
As for this being the best piece ever on DKos--that would be true. As poorly written, unintelligibly constructed, and rantingly illogical as it is, it stands head and shoulders above most of the Daily Krap.
And that should tell you something.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Who are these people (liberals)...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:47pm.
who go into such a tizzy over someone who "doesn't exist" (God)? That takes real "faith", doesn't it.
What kind of doctor is he?
Submitted by Gat New York on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 5:51pm.
I looked to see who Doctor was. He is apparently a Doctor of Psychiatry but practices abortions. I am not sure if he is an OB/GYN.
He is evidently using the Daily Kuz as a way of getting confirmation for his deplorable acts of baby killing.
The tide of public opinion in this country is turning against him and his kind.
He is most DEFINITELY not a psychiatrist!
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 9:05pm.
No psychiatrist would ever equate "psychotic" with "insane". Insanity is a legal definition, not a term regularly used in differential diagnosis of mental diseases. Also, a psychiatrist would NOT have credentialing or certification within the scope of our medical specialty to perform OB/GYN procedures. This smells to high heaven like some UTAustin political science major's diatribe on a major liberal website.
A new oxymoron
Submitted by jpwcpa on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 6:35pm.
I had never seen a pro-abortion screed use the phrase, "abortion care" prior to this. Probably because the writers of other pro-abortion screeds had enough sense to recognize that "abortion care" is an oxymoron.
Dehumanize the enemy before you mass-murder them
Submitted by lgeubank on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 7:54pm.
That's an old technique -- portray your chosen target as less than human. Nazis portrayed Jews as rats, nits, subhuman parasites. That conditioned the German people to accept the targets' extermination.
Calling the unborn child an "embryo" or even a "fetus" (which it is) distracts attention away from what it ALSO is -- human life.
This "doctor" refuses to hear any arguments on the sanctity of life. There are some types of fanatics, brutes, savage ideologues, who can never be moved by reason or God's word. All they can do is rant, rage, and excoriate their chosen enemy -- the unborn.
"Now I lay me down to sleep.
I pray the Lord my soul to keep --
Keep hatred from the mighty, and the mighty from the small.
Heaven help us all."
--song, "Heaven Help Us All"
As said by many others
Submitted by ConservaSerb on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 8:22pm.
The biggest problem I have with abortion is that the mothers of the aborters didn't abort them.
A wise & frugal government, which shall leave men free 2 regulate their own pursuits of industry & improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. T. Jefferson
Kosian Liberalism is an
Submitted by mattm on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 9:17pm.
Kosian Liberalism is an extreme religion.
The Church of Human Veal
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 9:39pm.
Most precious to the priests of the Church of Human Veal, are extinguished hearts of infants whose feet have never touched the earth.
Cannibals are more just and upright than this Church of Human Veal which will not be satisfied until the sacrifices of its altar are presented for human consumption.
Wow
Submitted by panzerakc on Wed, 05/11/2011 - 9:51pm.
There are so many points here, I'll just touch on a couple.
His last line is:"The irrational roots of religious beliefs nourish intolerance to the point of murder and genocide. And war." As opposed to the kindly tolerance of atheistic societies like the USSR under Stalin, China under Mao, and North Korea and Vietnam?
I would also like to ask this man, how would your respond to a woman who lost a wanted child through miscarriage? Would you slap her smartly across the face, tell her to stop sniveling, it's just an "insentient embryo"? Would you sneer at her grief for what is in your mind a mere blob of tissue? I'd pay good money to watch that.
Since he's all about "factual reality" and "science", here's a question: why do bumblebees fly? It's my understanding that according to aerodynamic principles, bumblebees shouldn't even be able to get off the ground. So how is it they can fly?
Finaly, concerning the quote he seems so partial to ("she wants an abortion like an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg to escape"), the glaring difference is that the animal will only gnaw off its own leg, not the leg of another.