NPR's Quantico Qualms: Marine Corps Full of 'Country Boys' Who are Racist, Sexist, and Anti-Gay
On Monday night's All Things Considered newscast, National Public Radio sent reporters to three different military bases looking for reaction to the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell." Art Silverman came last at the Marine Base in Quantico, Virginia:
SILVERMAN: Then I march into Number Two Military barbershop and find only one customer to ask about the repeal. How will this affect people in the field doing their job?
Turn off the recorder, he says. He wants to talk frankly. He wants me to know that most Marines come from parts of the country where tolerance toward homosexuality doesn't exist. This means problems ahead. He says, "These are country boys, and they even have problems accepting blacks and women in the Corps." For him, repeal of “don't ask, don't tell” means hostility and harassment ahead for Marines who let people know they are gay or lesbian.
That must have been just what NPR was looking for -- matching their anti-bumpkin agenda. After the three stories from the bases, anchor Robert Siegel talked to a pseudonymous gay officer calling himself "J.D. Smith" with the activist group "OutServe." (Even if the "out" part isn't fully true.) Siegel wanted to know if superiors would tolerate anti-gay harassment or violence:
SIEGEL: Here's something that our colleague who went to Quantico heard from some servicemen today, he heard people say: Look, I'm not biased against gays or lesbians, but there are a lot of others here who are. So coming out could be dangerous for them, and conceivably our immediate superiors might ignore acts of harassment or violence against them. Are you concerned about that?
"SMITH": Absolutely not. And the Pentagon working group study actually proves that. When you take even the combat arms, just the Marine Corps, we saw over 80 percent of those Marines that knew somebody that was gay or lesbian in their unit were okay with it. So I think there's some kind of, like, group-think mentality among the Marines. I mean, and the leadership sets that tone that they have to be, quote-unquote "anti-gay."
So when the leadership, you know, starts setting the tone that you will accept this, and you will respect one another, that's what will happen. But furthermore, I mean, history and this study shows us that the Marines that know people that are gay in their units just simply don't care.
Reporter David Sommerstein hinted at rural backwardness as well in his report from New York's Fort Drum: "Like many military communities, the surrounding area is rural and conservative. So homosexuality itself is a subject people wrestle with. They choose their words carefully. They um and ah a lot." Apparently, at NPR, when you're a sophisticated urbanite, you never again wrestle with the morality of homosexuality.
NPR found several military people who were skeptical of the new policy, and worried about it being rushed, but also found a lot of people who tried to offer the Seinfeldesque reply that they had no personal problem with it. Was there really no one on a military base who would feel free telling a liberal public-radio reporter that this behavior is morally wrong and shouldn't be treated like race or gender?
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I didn't realize sexual
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:31pm.
I didn't realize sexual desire was required of our men in uniform. Since when does sexuality matter when you're firing at the enemy? Are gay men incapable of shooting straight? Or does their bedroom behavior minimize their skills and respect for authority?
~Sexuality
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:37pm.
Matters a heckuva lot to the men living and fighting in very close quarters for months on end. It's a high-stress environment, Ted. If the guy next to you snores loud enough to keep you awake at night there's going to be an issue, much less catching him checking you out when you're trying to take a quick leak in the bushes.
Yes ! The gerbil whisperer
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:46pm.
Yes ! The gerbil whisperer Pfc. Bradley Manning commited treason for that very reason.
He didn't care others would probably die due to his actions. His mental defect ( homosexuality ) precluded him from rational thinking.
We sure as hell don't need freaks like him or islamic jihadists for that matter embedded along with real American troops.
If nothing else, having Obama in our White House proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that today just because someone is born and raised in America, doesn't guarantee they ARE an American.
Barack_Must_Go.....
So homosexuality is
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:41pm.
So homosexuality is un-American now?
No
Submitted by jdlybrand on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:51pm.
However, this particular homosexual (Manning) IS un-American.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
What do you mean...now?
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:45pm.
What do you mean...now?
Barack_Must_Go.....
You were speaking of the
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:52pm.
You were speaking of the "mental defect" that is homosexuality...
You were saying we don't need those freaks alongside "real" American troops...
I'm left with the impression that you believe gays cannot be real American soldiers. Am I wrong?
I believe that once gays in
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:56pm.
I believe that once gays in the military can come out of the DADT closet all hell will break loose.
Immediately the gayness gene will take over and the lawsuits, false accusations, and push for more special treatment will begin.
The gay community at large, which includes those serving in our military, have proven time & time again, once given a finger, they demand a fist.
I do not expect the military oath will stop the gays in the military from pushing their gay agenda over the safety and well being of their fellow soldiers.
The traitor that sacrificed American and allies lives because he put his gayness above country when he passed classified documents to the gerbil whisperer at WikiLeaks proves my point.
If this sort of behavour isn't due to a mental defect, then what?
Barack_Must_Go.....
Wrong...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:35pm.
about the impression, or that gays cannot be real American soldiers?
They are morally deficient and/or genetically defective. I will still pray for their healing and salvation.
For the idiots that voted for this crap...including oblahma!!!
Submitted by Patriot II on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:10pm.
When some of these tweets end up behind the barracks dead or beat to shyt............YOU brought it about....................! leave these limp wristed perverts in the closet where they belong.....LOCKED! imho
For the idiots that voted for this crap...including oblahma!!!
Submitted by Patriot II on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:10pm.
When some of these tweets end up behind the barracks dead or beat to shyt............YOU brought it about....................! leave these limp wristed perverts in the closet where they belong.....LOCKED! imho
A simple, obvious queston I've never heard the PC crowd answer
Submitted by krendler on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:43pm.
So, do the openly gay men have their own barracks / showers etc, or will all men be required to eat/sleep/shower together. And if we're saying sexual orientation doesn't matter, why on earth do women have seperate facilities. Straight men, gay men, gay women, straight women should all be sleeping and showing together, right? What's the problem?
Can our brainless, politically correct friends answer this? C'mon. Inquiring mind want to know!
What happens right now when a
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:53pm.
What happens right now when a soldier is sexually assaulted in the shower?
~I'm guessing a massive beatdown
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:03pm.
that not a single soul happened to witness. But I dunno, try clicking here.
Ted:
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 9:00pm.
If you really want to debate the DADT issue or have serious questions about it, please ask your original question in my DADT forum. This is not an invitation to a childish game of name-calling or argument. I understand people have questions and I understand people see things differently. If you want real debate or discussion, I'd be happy to oblige there.
Don't hold your breath, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 9:28pm.
It's all just a hypothetical neener argument to ADK.
He doesn't really care, has no interest in actually understanding the issue....his sole interest is making snarky remarks about the military and the men and women who serve.
Of course, if he cares to actually take up a real debate, where he attempts to understand, I'll sit back and watch, and not add my two cents (which are legion, I've given my opinion on this whole thing numerous times).
Liberals don't care about the real reasons/arguments anyone with life experience has to offer, they only care about their notions of some sort of idealized existence. Which is kind of funny, when considering the military. Because those of us who know, understand that the military, when engaged, is about killing people and breaking things. Those of us who support (and supported) that mission get it.....the liberal idealogues think the military is some sort of fairytale (sorry!) social experiment.
I'll be watching and waiting to see what kind of response you get....I'm betting it will be chirping crickets.
Semper Fi!
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I already sent bk a PM about
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 9:42pm.
I already sent bk a PM about this.
But I do appreciate your two cents, even as you insist you'll just "sit back and watch."
Snark always welcome, Blonde. Always.
Of course you do, Deddy.
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:01pm.
Watch your step.
You are in very unfamiliar territory.
A little b-grade Hollywood pretender, talking to a real live United States Marine. Wow.
I'm sure you'd prefer to keep it private, Ted. Just like you always do....leave a big mess on the boards, then insist someone chat with you in private. How utterly typical.
Carry on, though. I"m sure your Hollywood sensibilities will convince all of us who have served, or who have been married to those who have served....to see things your way....where gay soldiers are cool and why not allow them to party with our kids? Yeah, that's the ticket.
You are truly clueless.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
2 more cents! Any more
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:34pm.
2 more cents!
Any more sitting back and watching from my fans and I'm gonna have a whole buck soon!
Fans?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 11:37pm.
You're a f*tard.
You don't have fans....we all just enjoy the train wreck.
But DO carry on.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I don't agree with the---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:02am.
man of a thousand usernames on much of anything.
It's that conservative - liberal dichotomy, I guess.
I do believe his take on DADT is exactly the problem that will never be overcome; i.e., it is more important to a liberal to be sensitive about a Gay person's feelings about being treated equally, and in striving to just that, most liberals simply cannot see that Gays are pushing, not to be equal, but to be recognized and accepted as being different.
That is not only counter-productive to what the military is all about, it is anathema to military decorum and operations.
MD
Sorry Blonde, but I do have
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:30pm.
Sorry Blonde, but I do have plenty of people left here who respect me.
All "fans and followers" please sign in here:
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And the responses begin to flood in:
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It is the same move over and over.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:54am.
Deddy Zippers did the same thing to me. Originally argued with him because he made up stories surrounding 9/11 to make himself look good. He then turned on the charm, PM'd me, and made it appear he was not the sticky viscous trud troll he was. Even charmed me so much I put him no the buddy list.
Until he thought bashing Bush was a better than keeping me on the fake charm list. Suddenly I am the biggest liar on the planet and need to be insulted at every turn.
He has nothing but a tactical troll. See my post below.
Uh, you friended me. I've
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:28pm.
Uh, you friended me. I've never sent a friend invite.
~He said
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:34pm.
He put you on the buddy list; he didn't say you sent him an invite. And yes, you have. To me. I don't send them to guys.
Ted, I've told you how you could stop this thing with JWF. Please do so. This has simply gone too far.
Sorry, you along with JWF
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:39pm.
Sorry, you along with JWF spammed what I thought was going to be a decent Christmas charity forum. You had your fun, and I recognize that. But I'm not going to change my behavior as long as the Vet continues his.
~No sense of humor...
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:50pm.
Ted, what made you think that wasn't going to happen? Of course JWF was going to show up, you even invited him. When I saw that comment you made about a Christmas forum I thought you were joking!
If that's the way you want it, fine.
Was there something funny in
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:54pm.
Was there something funny in my tone? You said you were laughing so hard it was difficult to type.
No, more spam from the Vet, more insults, more lies, and everyone laughing. It may have taken a few years, but I do know my place now.
~Ted
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 4:35pm.
Your place? You're a liberal on a conservative site. When I comment at Kos I get showered with rotten fruit, and I don't expect anything different. And I've never had anyone even be civil to me, much less friendly.
You recently goaded him on a forum, what did you expect would happen when you made one and told him about it?
The charity forum was open
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 4:43pm.
The charity forum was open for everyone, and the invitation is open ended.
Those who helped turn it into a mockery of me, well that's just fine. But you're not convincing me that it was all done in the spirit of good fun, and that by inviting your pal meant allowing a serious thread to turn into a whole lot of BS about me.
But continue to tell me I'm in the wrong.
ACL
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 4:52pm.
You need help.
What in the world possesses you to make a very staunchly conservative blog site your home away from, erm, work?
You just get off on this in some twisted way, obviously. Liberals need their drama way more than conservatives.
Now back to your beans, weirdo.
- Shychology
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What do you do again?
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 4:55pm.
What do you do again?
~He sells thongs
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 5:03pm.
And redesigns perfectly good websites. And makes some kinda drink called a shytini. I think he sings a little, too.
:-p
Dunderted
Submitted by MrShy on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 5:11pm.
Incapable of answering paragraph #2, huh?
Glutton for punishment.
And to echo Wrath, none of us in our right mind "hang out" all day every day at Kos or any loony leftist site. You really do need a psychiatrist's couch.
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~You underestimate
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 5:26pm.
the appeal of our collective total awesomeness. Who wouldn't want to hang out with us as much as possible?
*preens*
(Okay, everybody lighten up now. It's Christmas. Be merry. Merry, you hear me? Smile for the camera, dammit! And sing! Sing, I tell you! And drink the eggnog and eat all these @#$# cookies!!!)
~Obviously
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 4:57pm.
It's not fine.
If I made a diary at Kos I'd be subjected to a Niagara Falls of profanity, not a bunch of people goofing off.
JWF now, he's pretty serious, but you guys have a history. I think you both take each other a bit too seriously.
And no, after you mocked him on a forum he made, he certainly wasn't going to treat yours with kid gloves. I don't know how you could have not expected what happened.
Don't be sullen, it doesn't suit you.
I don't take him seriously at
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 5:01pm.
I don't take him seriously at all. He's a pitbull on a leash.
What I do take seriously are my friendships.
~If
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 5:21pm.
you didn't take him seriously, comments like the, "You're in my house now" one wouldn't have you ticked. C'mon Ted, if that had been directed to someone else you'd have thought it was funny.
I've defended you plenty of times, Ted. Don't assume I'm your enemy just because "You're in my house now", and "lick of spit on a frozen lake" happen to tickle my funny bone.
I think you're confusing me
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:43pm.
I think you're confusing me with someone who actually reads Duh's posts.
His house? Not until I see "Duh" next to Mr Bozell and Mr Sheffield's names at the top of the site.
~You didn't read it?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:58pm.
Then why are you mad?
Added: If it's because your forum was de-railed, well, I wish the old comments were still here so I could show you my first forum. It was supposed to be on homeschooling. It was immediately hijacked by one of Syrius' incarnations, and it went downhill from there. Not a single on-topic post, and no jokes, either. I re-named it 'Troll Fest' and moved it to the Woodshed.
I'm not mad at Duh. It's
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 2:35pm.
I'm not mad at Duh. It's annoying that he spams the pages I post on, but that's about as far as my interests go.
Whatever nwahs.
Submitted by The Vet on Sun, 12/26/2010 - 10:48pm.
nwahs now claims he does not read my posts.
Certainly explains the lack of wit, logic, common sense, & intelligence in your one line whiny little t**** baby and girlyman posts.
Hey nwahs, when are you going to start naming your friends? Might wanna start with chose before you insult her intelligence again. She said she was laughing at my braggadocio. Now why do we even have to point that out to you? retard. nwahs retard.
But yeah, you are too stupid to figure that one out. So you either think I meant it literally, or yeah, it just confused you period. People with real wit and real intelligence scares diaper trolls. Scares them bad.
Imus described the Butt Hurt Diaper Troll Dead Zippers.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 6:34am.
Dead Zippers is a whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man.
I have never ever EVER in my life seen someone whine so hard for so long and still feel he is entitled to and therefor now demands respect.
This is honest to God, the most pathetic display of a whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man ever.
Is this troll connected to any reality at all?
Listen whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man troll, just as you can come here upstairs and gum up any blog you like with 2 or 3 years worth of lie after lie. I get to gum up your precious forums downstairs and there is not a dang thing you can do about it. So ram your hand down deep into those diapers and start digging at those swollen red nads of yours. Because it won't stop.
You just are going to have to keep upping the troll meter one more notch because I AM NOT GOING TO CRAWL OFF YOUR BACK. You got that whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man.
Well now, so far you have tried every troll diversionary tactic in the troll bible just like nwahs, and made up 32 more. That didn't shake me.
Then you tried changing your name to a copycat of mine. Nope. That backfired in a BIG WAY. You back from town buddy? What did you bring me? That didn't shake me either.
Then like the true diaperbaby you are, you go into full on pissy whiny mode because the BIG BAD WORD BULLY laughed at you in your forum and you go and make 16 more forums just like the whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man you are. And just like nwahs.
Stories that move your heart - by nwahs (AKA Deddy Zippers)
Stories that move your heart (for trolls) - by nwahs (AKA Deddy Zippers)
Christmas Charity - by Deddy Zippers (FKA nwahs)
Christmas Forum 2 - by Deddy Zippers (FKA nwahs)
Christmas Charity 3- by Deddy Zippers (FKA nwahs)
Christmas Charity 4 - by Deddy Zippers (FKA nwahs)
Still not notched up on the trollie meter enough. And still can't shake me. Just like nwahs.
But no no no. You are are not nwahs. You will whine and moan and cry and pee right in your diaper right in front of us if we say that. You is liar, word bully. Liar you is. But then what is your very next move. Why, it is to create a forum that is nothing but a FAKE SONG dedicated to slurring me.
Just like nwahs. Change the lyrics to a song to a slur on me.
Major fail, Popeye --- by nwahs (AKA Deddy Zippers)
12 Days of Christmas (Newsbusters version) --- by Deddy Zippers (FKA nwahs)
Just like nwahs. Both of them lyrics to songs. Both changed to slur me.
But you tell us over and over again little girly man. You tell us how you are not nwahs.
But wait, no no no. You still can't shake me. Time to notch it up.
nwahs started to call me a phony sailor. What is your move? Why call me a MURDERING TERRORIST. Just like nwahs. Yep, I mail letters with anthrax. Just like nwahs.
But you jump up and down, you scream liar at the top of your lungs, you iz nah nwahs. The word bully is a big fat liar. You are just repeating EVERY SINGLE MOVE HE MADE. Thaz all. And why, tell us why. Because the big bad word bully called you a name. Or 2. But that is not allowed. Only Dead Zippers was allowed to call people names and that was only before he PROCLAIMED to the world he was reformed.
What is next whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man ? Because there are only a few moves left in the nwahs playbook now. And one of them will get you banned before the sun sets.
whiny little [check here} baby and a girly man. Shut up and go away. You can't even troll correctly. Whining like a little baby because you were not taken serious and chose laughed at you.
And there it is.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:48am.
Dead Zippers: I already sent bk a PM about this.
The troll sends PM's, finds off-site discussion groups, and acts all the Mr. Charmy to worm it's way in. Then back on the boards, it trolls out to the max.
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Tactical TrollsTactical trolls take much more care and effort over the creation of their personae. Such trolls are likely to be seen as long term list members, and have the confidence and trust of the bona fide people on the mailing list. They use many of the techniques listed for Playtime Trolls, but in addition:
"What happens right now when
Submitted by krendler on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 9:50pm.
"What happens right now when a soldier is sexually assaulted in the shower?" Red herring. Nice try, though. Unless you're implying that the reason men and women don't share the same barracks and showers is simply to prevent sexual assault. I think it goes a "bit" beyond that, lame-brain. Something tells me if there were unisex-barracks-showers in the military, you'd see a lot fewer women and men signing up. I'm sure spouses wouldn't be super thrilled about it. Idiot liberals. Unable to think clearly/rationally. So c'mon. How 'bout it: Common barracks for straight men, gay men, gay women, and straight women. Sexual orientation isn't an issue, right?, so it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.ok
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:34pm.
Being a retired Marine and knowing a few people who were gay/lesbian while on active duty, the DADT policy basically came down to this. A gay person wanted the ability to walk into a room full of people announce that they were gay and not get the crap kicked out of them. Big thing is, if it were a straight person walking into the same room full of people and announce that they were straight, they would get the crap kicked out of them. This is why it was implemented to quietly appease the gay/lesbian community and to reduce harassment of those who were gay/lesbian but wanted to serve their country. While in garrison (that means not deployed either on ship or in a combat situation/zone for al lof you who dont know military speak), bieng gay/lesbian is not that big of an issue. It is mainly a logistical nightmare. (gay vice straight rooms, showers etc...) In a combat or deployed situation where wondering if the person next to you is checking you out can make a person lose focus for a second. And that second WILL get you or someone else killed. Those who point to the ADF (Australian Defense Force) for the statistics of gay/lesbian serving openly (since 1993) and have not had any issues are flawed. The ADF have not been in as many combat/deployed situations as we have over the last 17 years. Most of the gay/lesbian's that they have serving are in non combative roles (clerks, secretaries, etc...) The U.S. Military, especially the Marines, have non combative roles but still deploy them within combat theaters. This is a problem. Marines will tell you (and are taught) they are a rifleman first. So no matter what MOS (military occupational specialty) you recieve, you can be pulled to fill a combat role. You ask a front line combat unit/Marine and they will tell you that having someone that is open gay/lesbian in their unit IS a distraction. And as I said before, any distraction will get you or someone else killed. Most of the gay/lesbian's that I knew who were on active duty DID NOT want to be deployed to a combat zone/situation. They had basically joined for the job stability and education perks (or so I was told when they confided in me that they were gay/lesbian). Thing is, we didn't ask, they didn' tell. But when they did tell, most were sent packing back home and they were ok with that. most let it be known after a few years. (to get what they wanted out of the system)
A simple question
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:42pm.
Me: So you support gays and gay behavior?
Liberal progressive man: Of course. I'm tolerant.
Me: So you would accept men putting their penises in another mans anus as normal?
Liberal progressive man: Of course.
Me: So you would allow a man to put his penis in your anus?
Liberal progressive man: No!
Me: Then you are a hypocrite and a homophobe.
Me: i think i am an idiot...
Submitted by abeautifulperson on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:05pm.
Liberal: it would appear you are an something of a dolt since you cannot differentiate between understanding and accepting differences in others whilst not participating in the acts of others.
Me: i don't understand.
Liberal: clearly. i will try to dumb it down for you further. your wife is ugly. you've had sex with her and i wouldn't touch her with a cattle prod (an appropriate device given your wife's weight). not being interested in your wife doesn't necessarily make me gay... it just suggests i have taste.
Me: huh?
Liberal: not interested in your wife doesn't make me a hypocrite. but i am curious. does fixating on gay men's activities and using words like penis and anus... is that stirring some deep-seated feelings that you are repressing?
Me: why you...
Liberal: Don't get angry, your neck is getting red.
~ugly socialist
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:11pm.
You sayin' that you wouldn't touch a gay guy with a cattle prod? Funny, a large percentage of our military feels the same way.
There are no differences
Submitted by ArcherB on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:29pm.
You said:
Liberal: it would appear you are an something of a dolt since you cannot differentiate between understanding and accepting differences in others whilst not participating in the acts of others.I would say:
Me: There are no differences between soldiers. You are no longer an individual. You are allowed nothing that would differentiate you from the soldier next to you. You all have the same clothes, same hair cut, same glasses (in necessary), same blanket and pillows, even your lockers must all be set up exactly the same. You are the same as everyone else. By having the ability to "come out" and state that your are homosexual, you are differentiating yourself from the rest of the soldiers in your unit. That's a "No-Go". The military does NOT accept the differences in others, whether it be skin color, financial background, religious upbringing and even sexual orientation. All soldiers are judged by their rank and nothing more.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Well said
Submitted by dirtydan64 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:03pm.
I would't add another word, in fact this is something that should be printed and sent to all those Liberls/Rhino's in Congress so they understand exactly what repealing of DADT will have done once it is fully implemented, then they just might fully understand the reason behind why DADT was Law to begin with. Oh and don't forget our Nation's Top Cop Mr. Holder, make sure he gets the first printing !!!Perfect!
Submitted by yutsnark on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:48pm.
Perfect!
Look what crawled out from under a rock!
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:30pm.
Hello nwahs friend! How have you been? amazing how you come back after so long and starting calling peoples wives ugly, and anybody that is against repealing a good rule is a redneck!
Well at least your subject line was correct!
We all think your an idiot too!
BTW people with self respect usually capitalize I when referring to themselves.
Oh and Welcome back!!!! We missed having a bootifuldolt to bash around!
We Are The 53%
What someone else does...
Submitted by ArcherB on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:20pm.
I don't care what another man does with his pee-pee. I think the same rules should apply for swinging your arms as any other part of your anatomy. Your right to swing your *whatever* ends when it makes *unwanted* contact with someone else.
I don't care if gay men and women serve. It's none of my business. When I served, no one ever asked me which gender turns me on. No one asked me who I have sex with or want to have sex with*. I was asked to field strip my 9 mil or beat out the V-Packs or hammer the wedge bolts (V-packs are air filters on an M1 Tank and wedge bolts are what holds the track together).
My point is that if the Army didn't care who I slept with, why should the Army care who a gay soldier sleeps with. It's none of the Army's business and has no effect on combat readyness. This is why Don't Ask/Don't Tell made sense. It's not the military's business to ask about your sex life and it's not your place to tell them.
With that said, sexual misconduct rules should not change. If a soldier makes an unwanted advance on another, the same rules should apply if the soldier is male or female. The military does not take sexual harrassment charges lightly.
*Correction. I was asked this once when I was before the board for soldier of the month. All The battalion's 1st SGT's were there asking questions like, "What color is water on a map" or what is the ball on top of a flag pole called (truck). My 1st SGT asked me if I went to Houston over the weekend. I said that I had ("Yes First Sergeant"). He then asked me if I got laid while I was there. The answer was the same as before. I was Soldier of the Month after that.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
This post ROCKS! Thanks
Submitted by herc0 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:17pm.
This post ROCKS!
Thanks Arch for serving as well. i was 82nd Airborne. Went in for fear of being drafted for the Falklands escalation. If war starts you want to get promoted, not drafted, so being in already makes for immediate promotions. Never saw real combat though thankfully.
Salute to your fantastic post and for explaining what the ball was, etc.
Kipling's "Tommy" comes to mind
Submitted by BuffNBone on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:49pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGClrsAN2aY
He said it better than I ever could.
Does this
Submitted by ninerdog on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:54pm.
Does this “person” realize who she is picking a fight with?
Time Spent
Submitted by jcrapes4 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:56pm.
In all the time I spent in the service as a hospital corpsman including some time spent with the USMC I have seen isolated racism and sexism. To disparge the whole service because of a select few that usually get weeded out is typical liberal garbage.
Uh oh, I sense another John
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 4:58pm.
Uh oh, I sense another John Kerry moment coming on. You know, "you either get good grades and get to go to college or you end up in the military". Yea, all us dumb hicks that served in the military to protect the rights of all you flaming liberals.
I thank God every day for all
Submitted by ninerdog on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:02pm.
I thank God every day for all you “dumb hicks”.
You're very welcome. I was
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:22pm.
You're very welcome. I was Airforce but everybody knows how spectacular the Marines are. They get sh1t done.
~Not to mention
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:28pm.
All a y'all look quite handsome in those uniforms. *rowr*
I spent my four years in the
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:35pm.
I spent my four years in the Corps without ever meeting or hearing of a gay Marine. They either didn't exist or placed their obligation to the Corps above their sexuality. It was the perfect professional environment, DADT without the enforcement. Homos crave the attention and feel they should be "special" instead of odd or queer. I say, shut the hell up about it and do your job. Save the prancing for when you're on leave. Keep it to your damn self! Somehow, the homos will gravitate to the other services. We Marines do not have the patience for the silliness. We have a job to do.
A red necked, country boy who served.
Semper Fi!
From another "dumb hick"
Submitted by bbboss on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:30pm.
I was a draftee who ended up carrying an M-60 (the Pig) for nearly a year in the jungle. Weren't too many openly gay men in those days, but those who were openly gay used that openess just to get out of being drafted..go figure.
I was in one of the mutual sh***ters on a little firebase up on the Cambodian border doing my morning "constitution". I was approached by another soldier, also in the can, who I did not know...probably a fixture on that firebase. He told me flat out what he wanted.......I finished, stood up, pulled up my jungle fatigues.....dropped him with a right handed round house.
So let me get this
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:00pm.
So let me get this straight...the NPR reporter turned off his/her recorder and is CLAIMING this is what has been said OFF THE RECORD? And we are to accept their word that this "J.D. Smith" is a gay officer?
Just sayin'...
This reminds of the news reports taking information as fact from "unnamed sources" within whatever organization. Doesn't give me confidence in the truthfulness.
He's a barber.
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:36pm.
He's a barber.
Bb,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:24pm.
I feel the same way.
This was just a little too convenient.
Most Marines I know (and I have several in my family - including my dad) are smart enough to know that the media is not on their side, and especially NPR types, and would stay well away from them.
I'm not buying this BS even for a second.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
In three parts...
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:31pm.
As loath as I am to post links, here is one which I think might be slightly germaine to the discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_von_Steuben
The Baron's contributions to the Continental Army were such that America would have lost the war without them, in my opinion.
Second part:
Who a man or woman shares thier favors with and how they go about it, as long as all is consentual, is none of my damn business. Having said...
In the mid 80s when I was still wearing Army green, in the battalion I was serving in, a kid/man (18 or 19) got brought up on charges for stealing. Word got out that he got out of the charges by claiming that he would take it up to a full court martial, and implicate he'd had sex with his platoon sergeant, the company commander, the battalion XO, and both the battalion and brigade chaplains.
After he was discharged from the post hospital with a broken leg, broken arm, two broken ribs, and other assorted injuries, he was given a medical discharge. Rumor mill had it that he'd fallen down a flight of steps...several times.
Third part:
I have not one doubt in my mind that there have been gays and lesbians in the American military from Lexington/Concord and Tun's Tavern to today. And most of them under the radar.
if they do their job and don't rub it in others' faces, hey, no problem.
If their preferences are used as a tool of intimidation or as a sole means of attaining rank or award, then it is a problem.
DADT was a monkey-wrench of ambiguity thrown into the military by Fat Bill. Return to status quo ante 1991.
NVCon
PURPLE IS THE NEW BROWN see below link
http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/17194/2872764590061034863S600x600Q85.jpg
NPR is trying to justify the
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 5:46pm.
NPR is trying to justify the DADT repeal with slander. I wouldn't have expected anything less from this bunch of miscreants.
This doesn't pass Dave's smell test
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:05pm.
This National Proletariat Radio goober could have simply just made this up, or staged it, or whatever, as "Smith's" answer was a little too perfect, IYGMD.
After all, NPR is just another arm of the Ministry of Statist Misinformation (MSM) crowd, and given their decidedly communist (who, like Islamists, are reflexive liars) political leanings, I wouldn't put anything past them.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
OK, fancy boys! Enlist.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:10pm.
Now that DADTDS is down the tubes of history, let's see how many flamers are trotting down to the enlistment offices to put their lives on the line.
Like others who served, I know that their were people with whom I served who were probably gay, but NOT ONE ever felt compelled to say so. They did what the rest of us did; their job.
Since being a full time sillyvilian, I have known more gays than most of the people on this chat just because of the population where I live. Even have several friends who play for the other team. What I have learned is that some gays are very circumspect, while others can't wait to burst into flame at every opportunity and advertise WHAT they are, rather than WHO they are.
Those types are going to have one hell of a military experience as long as they last. DADT actually made it possible for gays to serve, and do a job for their country. Nothing is going to make it possible for Larry who would rather be called Loretta to serve.
As far as service personnel being a bunch of red-necks and bumpkins, they left out one other descriptive term. They are also patriots and damned brave men and women. They are the finest people with whom I have ever been associated, and I am proud to be counted among them. So for people on this chat who have NEVER served, back the flock off and quit trying to tell others how the military should be run.
You want to change it, get your ass down to the enlistment office. Then maybe we will listen to your liberal crap after you have had to live with it.
I have the very bad feeling
Submitted by dscott on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:22pm.
I have the very bad feeling there is far more going on here than the what's being sold. What's the hidden agenda?
So let's take the liberal assertion that red necks are homophobes, etc. and that the military is filled with them? Isn't the logical conclusion that the All Volunteer Army will have trouble filling the ranks once gays are allowed to serve openly? What will the military and Congress then respond to make up the difference????? THE DRAFT.
Let's take that a step further, why does an All Volunteer Army seem to threaten liberals? Charlie Rangel for years has been trying to bring back the Draft. What's the real agenda here, the hidden one?
~Simple
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:01pm.
The draft will mean that large numbers of unwilling men from unwilling families will get shipped off to third-world hellholes to be blown to pieces while attempting to follow insanely restrictive ROE.
Can you say "widespread civil unrest and mass war protests"? AKA, "Leftist's wet dream".
Very perceptive.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:19pm.
The fact is, you cannot take over this country and "fundamentally transform" it without first either taking over the military and filling all of the command structure with your own type, or destroying it.
Since the left doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting enough liberal pussies into the officer ranks, and even less chance to get all the "rednecks" (as they describe them) replaced in the NCO ranks, and EVEN less chance getting their idiotic followers to enlist, they are left with what you said. They need to draft enough idiots into the ranks who will hate the military as much as they do, to the point that they will cause disruption and disorder in the ranks, and destroy the military from within in the process. Allowing openly gay behavior is a good start for them.
Damn near worked during Vietnam. The draft is the last thing that this country needs. That will allow people like Rangel to make sure he gets the "type" of draftee that suits his purpose.
The greatest obstacle to the Left and its desire to transform this nation is the professional officer corps, both commissioned and non-commissioned. When you see them begin to dismantle that (cut funding to the Defense Dept), look out.
Or Worse
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:44pm.
the serious conspiracy theorists will add the shadow military/police force that will come to the rescue while the rest of the military is off in some 3rd world hell hole. Then the second civil war will "have been averted because of these brave souls who decided to serve thans to the repeal of DADT"
ok sarc off.....and so is that bad picture show!
~We've already got it
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:42pm.
It's called the TSA. Check out this story I found on Drudge last month:
The thing that really ticks me off, is that the cops knew this woman was being harassed unlawfully and they let it happen, and let themselves be used against an innocent American citizen. Also, no one else stuck up for her. They were all just glad they weren't the ones in the glass cage. This indicates that all those people are psychologically prepared to be ruled by a police state.
part of the big plan
Submitted by Catherwood on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:04pm.
What's going on that is making ou so suspicious is the gay attacks on the Marine Corps is just part of the bigger plan to take all of traditional America down a notch. The gays and the politically correct dweebs are determine to relgate toughness, the meritocracy, and the military to the back of the consciousness. What we're seeing here with the gays is just another attempt to do that; it really has nothing to do with gay rights. The liberals want the perception of everything to be changed to a kinder, gentler way of doing things. The Marines represent ideals these liberals do no like at all, i.e. some tough sergeant screaming in a recruit's face....that's not Obama-like, you see..
Buy a clue
Submitted by locomotivebreath1901 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:42pm.
"All Things Considered." What a nisnomer.
All things considered except an honest assessment of human nature.
These obtuse, pointyhead elitists who whisper into microphones at NPR are self-deluded & clueless.
Most parts of the entire, friggin' country come from come from parts of the country where tolerance toward homosexuality doesn't exist. And is it any wonder??
When one group of rebrobates engage in perverse sexual behavior that elicits a gag reflex from the other 97.3% of the population, an entire platoon of spin doctors and social engineeering propaganda will not assuage the reacting vomit.
Consider this NPR: Buy a clue!
And gimme my tax dollars back!!
really makes perfect sense
Submitted by Catherwood on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 6:58pm.
To paraphrase Bubba Clinton, " The Marince Corps' strength is in its lack of diversity." Marines by their very nature are men who kill to defend and have no time for girly men or losers hung up on the race issue. Their mission is to take the high ground and all this other stuff is just a politically correct liberal distraction for which they have no patience. And, you that haven't been around Marines should know this: the gay people who make their way into the Corps wil immediately be moved to peripheral positions where they can't get other men killed. You won't see the gays in the tougher combat units; you won't see women their either. There may be a few symbolic placements done to keep the press and the politically correct crowd quiet, but the real fighter-killers will not tolerate their presence. Of course you all know that these efforts to put gays in the Marines is just another way of trying to destroy the tradition of the Corps; it really has nothing to do with the 'rights' of gays.
what noone seems to consider in this argument
Submitted by ginagwen7 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:09pm.
My husband served 5 years in the Corps and still serves in the reserves, and when asked about this whole thing doesn't get too riled up. He said gay/straight didn't matter, BUT that was when gays kept their business to themselves. Now we discuss what will probably become of all of this unless the military is allowed to create it's own policy instead of lawmakers, judges and presidents.
What about a gay superior? Will they misuse their authority to persuade young impressionable men to "service" them under the threat of discipline. What about a flaming gay that talks constantly about his "private life" and recieves complaints, will the complainers be disciplined for discrimination. Now that the gay lifestyle is acceptable, what about their partners? They will push for full "family" benifits for their Significant Other, which will either result in a backdoor for national recognition of gay "marriage" (of as I like to call it, Garriage) OR it will result in the military dropping all family benifits to avoid the whole issue.
The military did so many things to support families and encourage healthy lifestyles and relationships. These programs will now be so modified and perverted as to be of no use to anyone.
I'm going to go out a limb
Submitted by mandrake on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:33pm.
I'm going to go out a limb here and guess that you you have never met any actual 'gay' people..or if you did, you weren't aware of it. I may not have been in the military, but I did spend my adult life in the business community I had many 'gay' bosses and employees. None of them ever tried to 'presuade young impressionable men to service them'. And gay marriage is becoming increasingly accepted in the civilian world..get over it already..
yeah, I know a few
Submitted by ginagwen7 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:45pm.
I have been out and about in the world. Anyone can misuse their power, for any reason. and the young men coming straight out of high school are quite impressionable and quite frankly scared sh1tless of their superiors. I don't really care about gay people, be gay, whatever, I'm not stopping them, I shared an apartment with a gay dude in college, and met quite a few lesbian WM, during my husband's duty. As long as folks keep their business to themselves, who cares. But no, it's all about throwing it in everyone's face and FORCING us to endure perversion. It's also about destabilising and discrediting the validity of the traditional family, sooooo
mandrake then you don't know
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:47pm.
mandrake then you don't know much about abuse of power do you? Sexual harrassment by gays is bound to occur, especially if they feel the deck is stacked in their favor.
Well, I did have to endure
Submitted by mandrake on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:57pm.
Well, I did have to endure endless courses on sexual harasement in the workplace. I did have a few bosses who were kinda 'gay',they never bothered me and I never said anything..so we got along.
Maybe I just wasn't attractive enough?
~Yeah, that was it
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 7:57pm.
Definitely.
i'm gonna go out on a limb, too
Submitted by ginagwen7 on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:04pm.
and assume that you have no idea how completely different the military is and must be from the business world, in order to fulfill its purpose.
uh....what is "kinda
Submitted by porpoiseboy on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:14pm.
gay"? is it like "sorta straight"? as for the not attractive enough part....that is reliably a given.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left
The best social program is a JOB...ronald reagan
kinda gay?
Submitted by mandrake on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:21pm.
Sorry if your 'gay' radar isn't working. Here's a hint...they like you! ;).
Of course the next step is for gay "family" benefits
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:10pm.
I've been on record at NB, in saying this for eons.
As a former officer's wife, I know what it means to live within a strictly regulated community.
There are rules for wives, rules for children, rules for visiting family....there are rules!
I am totally convinced that the next step after this ill-considered repeal of DADT is to "normalize" the military social life. Which means, acceptance of gay partners to events, both formal and informal. Which, as anyone knows who has been in the military, the informal events are neither without rules, nor unrequired.
If I were a military wife, and required to entertain a gay member and his/her partner, as a required command function, I'd rebel. To the point that the CO would have to become involved. Which, of course, will impact upon the military's idea of "good order and discipline". Tell me liberals....is it possible to promote good order and discipline amongst service members, when a spouse is in rebellion? Eh?
For the asshats like Ted (guttermouth, whatever his preference for names this week)....this means....not only NO, but HELL NO!.
Trust me when I tell you, the wives and families of military members will never buckle under to this.
P.S. (for ADK, whatever)....this means the little "platoon of Joes" is going to be skewed, badly. Of course, you being an ignorant liberal will have to ask what I mean by that. But the rest of us know....don't we?
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Very true Blonde
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 2:04pm.
Very true! It is very hard to promote good order and discipline when the spouses are in revolt. been there and have seen it first hand. You get a bunch of spouses talking to the Company Commander, Batallion CO, Group CO, then the base Commading General, you see how fast things either get fixed or get broken.!
P.S. Thank you for YOUR service. I know how hard the spouses work. sometimes harder than the active duty military member. again Thank YOU!
Thanks, Tex
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 10:53pm.
That's very kind of you.
"We" weren't in that long, long enough to know that it wasn't a career choice if we were to stay married.
Now, you being the military member, and not the wife, I know you actually never "experienced" the wives' events. But you know what I"m talking about.
OMO! I can't imagine a gay partner attending a wives coffee, etc. The level of cattiness would be wratcheted up to hot, hot, hot (hotter than normal, LOL).
There's a definite pecking order withink the group of wives, it's pretty funny, too. We used to call the BN XO's wife Major Marjorie....because she thought she wore her hubby's rank. Of course, us JO wives would sabotage her every effort, because she was such a nasty piece of work. It was hilarious. Then of course, there was the change of command, where the BN got a new CO. HIS wife was very young (like only 4 years older than me, 24 at the time)...and new to the military life. Naturally, I named her Airhead Annie, which of course, stuck like glue. Everyone called her The Airhead. We wives liked her about as much as the troops liked the Colonel (they firebombed his Porche). Just a note to complete that story, the LTC was relieved after a fatal accident at Fort Irwin later that year.
I could go on and on. Meeting the brigade commander and his wife on the tennis court at the O Club, where he challenged us to doubles (and the wife shooing him away, and apologizing to me later in the commissary..."a no win situation for your husband, dear"...she was a great O wife).
And so on. Mark my words, though. "Family benefits" for gay military members is going to be next on the GLBT agenda. Book it. A gay with a flamer or a bull dyke for a partner makes me just roll my eyes...it's never going be acceptable within the military community. Never.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ironic that you and I once
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 11:09pm.
Ironic that you and I once had this debate respectfully.
And your point would be?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 11:43pm.
First, I wasn't addressing you.
Secondly, my position hasn't changed.
So WTH is "ironic".....or are you just butting in to get some attention?
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ironic that you gave me home
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:45pm.
Ironic that you gave me home buying advice as well.
Ironic that you choose
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:54pm.
...to make private conversations public.
When of course, you accused me (wrongly) of doing just that.
Little hypocrite. Just another example of the long list of your bad behaviour here.
You going to run over to the chat room now and make wild accusations? I still have the screen shot of the last time you did that...and lots of server space.
We know, it's all about you!!!!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Wild accusations? Hardly.
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 2:37pm.
Wild accusations?
Hardly. You keep screenshots too? I thought that was just me.
Nice thread derail
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 3:53pm.
It's all about you.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Told ya. The troll uses people.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 5:48pm.
Deddy the Diaper troll: Ironic that you gave me home buying advice as well.
Deddy the wet Diaper troll: Ironic that you and I once had this debate respectfully.
•They engage in off list email dialogues to gain the confidence and trust of influential individuals on the list.
•In off-list emails, they use techniques borrowed from NLP and Speed-Seduction to make people have a great deal of affection for them. This naturally suppresses any suspicion there might be.
•They use gimmicks that win sympathy and bring out the 'nurturing parent' in other list members, which also suppresses any feelings of suspicion. E.g.: being blind, handicapped, an orphan, rejected, bullied etc..
Purpose served. Time to turn up the heat on Blonde.
Why is Dead Zippers constantly reminding Blonde of what went on off list?
"Days Of Whine and Roses" or "The Way We Were"?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 9:01am.
I think I'm going to cry.
Dang moneypeople.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 9:14am.
Dang you monkeypeople, you respect trollie nah. Trollie is entitled. Don't you know monkeygirlie? Trollie spit on you. You wipe it off and smile at trollie. That trollie way nah.
Poor nwahs. Peed away every last ounce of respect he had here and is now wistfully remembering the days of rolling in the fields of puppies and rainbows when the monkeypeople did not know what a viscous little snit he was.
Please missus. Please for a poor trollie. Please put a little respect in the cup. Look. Trollie got no legs. Can't travel from one website to another like the old days hounding the monkeypeople. Please missus. Spare a little respect?
I agree
Submitted by texusmc on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:36am.
The whole "Family benefits" for gay military members is going to be the next agenda check mark for them. They already have been trying to get that done in the civilian world and some of it has bacfired on them (lesbian couple divorce after a few years, step child of the one, now she has to pay child support etc..) Dont see any of this going over well in an branch of the Military.
The Brigade Cmdr's Wife sounded like she was grounded very well. My one MEU (Marine Expeditionary Unit) CO's Wife was like that.
Had a Capt at one of my first commands, his wife who was our Base PAO (Public Affairs Officer) , she was a Navy Lt. Cmdr, at the wives club (since all got grouped together, very small base) took her rank off when she walked in the door and didnt wear her husbands rank at any of the meetings. Too many did that and still do that. key word on your ID card? spouse!. anyways I digress.
It will be the agenda of GLBT groups to get benefits, but I am seriously doubting it will happen. Oppostion will be too great.
They'll keep trying, regardless of opposition
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:11pm.
Just like they have with gay marriage. State after state has voted and decided the issue, one man and one woman, then the GLBT'ers get a lawyer, and a sympathetic judge, and overturn it.
They'll keep hammering away at the military. Demanding quarters. Commissary priv's. Etc.
BTW...in the Army....the card says "dependent" which used to drive me nuts....I really wanted to keep my maiden name (which was a far prettier name than the one I got), but it would have confused things soooo much.
One last funny story, the ex transferred to the MI battalion after the tank battallion. His boss was a female captain. The first time I met her, at the O Club, natch....she looked at me, hard, and said "you know your husband snores". To which I replied "yeah, really loud, too". Can you imagine a little nancy's reply to that one? Probably the reaction she was trying to get out of me, LOL.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde, you and I
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:39am.
were right on this. Did you see the presser yesterday. OMO, Ears is already back-tracking on gay marriage. It's an issue where his view is "constantly evolving". It's no longer between a man and woman, according to what he said. Or, more correctly, it won't be.
For deddy and the other libs here, that means he's waiting to announce his flip-flop on gay marriage. Methinks it'll be right about in the run-up to the 2012 elections, just to get a few more gays on board. And, he "encouraged" gays who've been discharged in the last 17 years to re-enlist? Will that be with back pay and promotions, POTUS? Thanks, but the military does NOT need the likes of Dan Choi and others like him, who place themselves and their needs over the military.
This guy is intent on wrecking the last of the American institutions, and the morons in Congress went right along with him.
And LOTUS---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:45am.
says repeal of DADT strengthens national security.
About like Big Sis does, I'd say.
About like the coming amnesty will.
Politicians = Idiots.
Some more so than others.
MD
Looks like IVAW are at it again!
Submitted by Injest on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:03pm.
How convenient. Lets see, we have, allegedly, an “UN-named” Marine, and no recordings.
For all we know Art Silverman just made this up.
Art Silverman on Art Silverman “I consolidate information about the world into radio and blog content. My tools consist of microphones, cameras, and dreams.”
Lets see humm he eliminated “the camera” and “the microphone” so what's left? His dreams?
Also from the NPR/VPR article we find more interesting “things”.
Looks like IVAW are at it again!
'Nothing's Going To Change' “Meanwhile, at Fort Campbell on the Tennessee-Kentucky border, thousands of soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division are waiting to ship out to war. Among them is Pvt. Devere Artis, 22, who deploys to Afghanistan in March.”
“Among them is Pvt. Devere Artis, 22,” Pvt. Privet as in E-1 or E-2. E-3 is an automatic promotion after 4 months as a Pvt. (E-2) Privet.
“Artis, who has already served two tours -- one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan and who deploys to Afghanistan in March.”
A “tours” is “12 months to 15 months” deployed with an “equal time” between deployments.
See the math problem here?
2 “tours” is 2 years with a year in between, that's 3 years not counting Boot Came and “A” school training.
Getting ready for a 3rd deployment means his 4th year in service will be sometime just before March 2011.
How is it this guys rank is that of an E-2, (which most get after graduating from boot camp) 4 years after boot camp when E-3 is an automatic after 4 months as an E-2?
The promotion criteria for promotion to the ranks of E-2 to E-4 are: Private (E-2) - Six months time-in-grade (TIG) as a private (E-1). Private First Class (E-3) - Four months TIG as a Private (E-2) and 12 months time-in-service (TIS). Specialist/Corporal (E-4) - 6 months TIG with 24 months TIS.
Injest
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 2:10pm.
not to dis what you are saying because it is totally accurate on the rank bit, but the "equal" time between deployments, yeah that went out the window along time ago. I did back to back year long plus deployments. my brother who is a Medic is on his 5th tour in 6 yrs. but I do agree, why isnt Pvt Artis higher in rank? hmmm sounds like a trouble maker or slacker to me.
Sounds like your brother is
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 11:05pm.
Sounds like your brother is either in a badly needed role or he volunteered for duty. More time spent in theater means more credits.
Go with the first one
Submitted by texusmc on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:42am.
He is a Medic, Stryker Vehicle trained, Base paramedic trained, cold weather medic, jungle trained medic, desert medic, and can speak some kurdish, (and in a pinch a fairly good veterinarian), which is who they trained in Iraq to be medic. Funny thing is the Kurds are who Saddam tried to wipe out. And here is my brother, training them to be the Medics to run out and save the guys life who was just a few years ago trying to kill him.
and yes he does need some time off and back here stateside
In order to create a more tolerant environment...
Submitted by Prester John on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:40pm.
...for our homosexual friends, the U.S. military needs to get rid of all those homophobic rednecks from the South and the rural parts of America who are currently serving, fighting and dying in our current wars, and replace them with those fine, outstanding examples of American manhood and patriotism from the institutions of higher learning in places like Berkely, Madison, Boston, Portland, Boulder, NYC, New Haven, Philadelphia and all the other great college towns (especially those which host Ivy League schools) in our country so they show those hayseeds what real tolerance and patriotism is.
Every one knows, or should know, that the southern states and rural America have always been overrepresented in the US military.
Let's go Blue America, it's your turn, show us what you're made of!!!
Just make sure you point the right end of the barrel of your rifle at the enemy.
PFUI.
Turn off the recorder, he
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 8:51pm.
Total effin lie! I'd bet my last nickel on it. No way any Marine said that.
For those of you who don't know, Quantico is not like other Marine Corps bases. There's OCS, the brig, a few dog and pony units, and not much else. There's also the FBI Academy and ATF and DEA schools. It's remotely possible that the supposed interviewee was from one of the law enforcement schools, but even then, only if he/she had a left wing agenda.
No way this story is true.
What I find funny
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 2:13pm.
is that he went to Headquarters Marine Corps and not a base where they have Fully Operational Deploying Units and ask his silly question. Quanitco is NOT the Marine Corps. Too Close to the flag pole as the saying goes.
Semper Fi tex. And welcome to
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 9:27pm.
Semper Fi tex. And welcome to NB.
Sgt Keyser 1986-1992, 0811
Thanks BK
Submitted by texusmc on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 10:50am.
Ive been on NB a while now but only posting recently
SSGT (Ret) 1987-2006, 2621,0313,0411,3531,6152
More Evidence We Need to Defund NPR
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 9:07pm.
And freakin' pronto. If NPR wants to agitate for statist causes, they can do so out of their own operating budget, not out of mine!
Visions and Principles blog
Band of Brothers?
Submitted by CrazyHungarian on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 10:59pm.
Nearly every story that I have heard about men in combat have shown that the main reason men/women risk their lives under fire is to protect the lives of ther fellow soldiers. These men/women develop a sibling like love for each other (and not sexual) under these incredibly stressful situations. Putting openly gay soldiers into these realtions can only upset this situation. Will the straight guys still be willing to give their lives up to save the gay guy? Or the reverse? Secondarily, will the openly gay guy who flaunts his gayness and whines about perceived unequalities and sleights need to be afraid of friendly fire?
Those who think that the effects of sexual orientation freedom in combat can be treated just like being on Main Street have not thought about the unintended consequences.
Bradley Manning
Submitted by Injest on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:20am.
Secondarily, will the openly gay guy who flaunts his gayness and whines about perceived unequalities and sleights need to be afraid of friendly fire?
OR
Bradley Manning Who “Manning felt isolated in the Army, reportedly based on the difficulties of being homosexual. Before being arrested, Manning had been twice reprimanded, once for assaulting a fellow soldier, and was demoted from Specialist to Private First Class”
He has the same feelings.....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 12:38pm.
....that anyone living an abnormal lifestyle feels.
Chesty Puller once said
Submitted by jrandall on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 11:39pm.
(I believe it was Chesty) you can give your heart to Jesus, but your asses belong to the Marine Corps....Im glad he is not here to see how this has been applied in the name of p.c.
The Marines, I know from first hand experience, that you work together, suffer together, laugh together, eat and room together...in combat, you die for each other, regardless of race, creed, political affiliation or anything else. Journalist dont understand or care about this at all. The young men and women in the military are people most worthy of our gratitude, and admiration.
I have had to listen to these over educated (indoctrinated) uppity,condiscending pieces of amphibious s*#t, from the time I was in the Marines, till today. They believe that they are the elite, and the "best & brightest...and .they look down on the REAL best & brightest, faithful, dedicated, Marines & and all US servicemen. Its sad that the PBS maggot turds cannot appriciate just how precious our blood bought, fought for freedoms are. It amazes me that those who have not ever served, always seem to be the experts when it comes to dissing our military.
NPR.........bias/anonymous/country bumpkins, etc.
Submitted by Herbster on Tue, 12/21/2010 - 11:43pm.
Oh my. Anonymous, "Smith" sources. Have the answers to your agenda driven "Reporting" and work back from there. Mr. Silverman - I'm surprised that he didn't change his name to Silverperson to be politically correct. Poor, sloppy, biased reporting....as usual. Let's see....the Marines are made up of a bunch of racist, biased hicks from the backwoods. Anyone living in a "Rural area" area is an ignorant bumpkin. I live in a rural area. I have two Master's degrees and am a retired banker. One neighbor is a distinguished Professor of Economics at a well known college. Another neighbor is a respected orthopedic surgeon. I suppose at Christmas time we should get together and sing, "We three bumpkins of Orient fair." I have a suggestion for Mr. Silverperson and his ilk....if there is ever a war in our country and his home is about to be attacked, do NOT call on the Marines for help. Put in an urgent call to the nearest gay bar for "The boys" to come save you.
The argument is over - Homosexuality is 'abnormal'
Submitted by Sergeant ROCK on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 10:04am.
The debate over DADT revealed a re-occurring answer to the defintion of 'serve openly'. That answer being 'to announce one's sexuality'. The fact that you have to 'announce' your sexuality is proof positive that you are not in the norm or what is perceived to be the norm. Hence, abnormal by your own admission.
When I enlisted, I did not have to 'announce' my sexuality. Nor did I feel the urge to do so. I am in the norm.
Frederic Bastiat
yep
Submitted by Patriot II on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 1:06pm.
its abnormal.....it always was dilbert!!!
I find interesting
Submitted by texusmc on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 2:20pm.
is their choice of words. "Country Boys". A big innuendo that a Country Boy is uneducated. That he is automatically a Red Neck, there for intolerant of anything. Speaks slow with a drawl/acent.
well here is a clue you jackwagon, we speak slow and over annunciate our speech is so that elitist, leftist snobs like you can understand. there explained well enough for you, or do I have to draw pictures for you as well?
What is 'normal'
Submitted by Titus77 on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 3:29pm.
The problem with gays in the military is not the gay service personnel but the ignorant, bigoted and fearful service personnel who don't want to serve along side them. How about asking THEM to leave??
Welcome to NB Troll
Submitted by Denny Crane on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 9:49pm.
I think Soros overpaid you, you have been outed in 2 posts.
If there are ignorant, bigoted and fearful service personnel, they are asked to leave, the military doesn't put up with BS.
We Are The 53%
That was some brilliant
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/22/2010 - 9:52pm.
That was some brilliant analysis on his/her part, huh Denny? Who is this, Alan Grayson?
Bk,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 1:46am.
I think it was Dan Choi.
Nah BK
Submitted by Denny Crane on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 8:48pm.
Some people actually like Grayson. This is probably the turd that wouldn't go down, and came back to splatter crap on our nice clean boards. (which just got muddied up by the mention of Grayson, and a link to *shiver* DU)
We Are The 53%
I wonder how long it will be
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 12/23/2010 - 11:00am.
I wonder how long it will be until some gay serviceman demands to be allow to wear a dress to the officer's ball? And sues when he's not allowed to?
Absurd, you say?