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Gay Censorship Update: Sex Columnist Berates CNN (on CNN) for Letting Conservatives Speak

By Tim Graham | November 24, 2010 | 17:06

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CNN has demonstrated strongly and repeatedly that it does not believe in objectivity or fairness in reporting on homosexuality. On Tuesday's Newsroom, CNN anchor Kyra Phillips touted a new study from the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center that added some of the nation's leading social conservative groups -- including the Family Research Council, Concerned Women for America, the National Organization for Marriage, the American Family Association, and the Traditional Values Coalition -- to its registry of "hate groups" like the Ku Klux Klan.

Phillips skipped that part, but hyped the SPLC's reading of 'hate crime' statistics with no liberal label for the group. She also invited on radical gay activist and sex columnist Dan Savage -- who delighted the Left by attacking CNN (on CNN) for allowing any conservatives to speak at all on gay issues. Savage touted the new SPLC "hate" designation as a reason for CNN to ban them and their "dehumanizing rhetoric" from their network. Phillips began like she was doing an infomercial:

People of all shapes, sides, colors and creeds are victimized by violent hate crimes. But the Southern Poverty Law Center says the most common minority target is gay people. There are ways to help out and reach to all victims of hate crimes.

But first, I've got to show you these numbers. They're stunning, plain and simple. In an analysis of 14 years of FBI stats found that gay people are those -- or those who are thought to be gay -- are twice as likely to be attacked in a violent hate crime than African- Americans or Jewish people.

And listen to this. They're four times more likely to be attacked than Muslims, and 14 more times as likely than Latinos. That's why messages like these from the It Gets Better Project really resonate.

Then she provided another airing of an "It Gets Better" video where people proclaimed "God created me" gay, and cooed "An entire community of people banding together to show support for the gay community and the victims of gay bullying. It's part of Dan Savage's It Gets Better Project. The author and columnist joining us live via Skype from Seattle."

PHILLIPS: You know, Dan, when you saw this report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, what were your first thoughts? We were just astounded by these numbers.

DAN SAVAGE: It was shocking. Unfortunately, I wasn't as surprised as some people might be. There is a tremendous amount of violence directed at members of the LGBT community by people who feel they have license to bully and really commit acts of violence against gays and lesbians because of the rhetoric that sloshes around our culture promoted by haters flying under the radar, even the supposedly Christian right. They promote the idea that gays and lesbians are a threat to the family, a threat the institution of marriage. They even claim, U.S. senators have claimed, that gays and lesbians are a threat to the survival of the planet and climate change.

And when you have that kind of hateful, apocalyptic, demagogic rhetoric, some people will act on it and feel they have license to abuse, physically and emotionally, the gay and lesbian, bi and trans people they encounter.

The CNN anchor said opposition is failure to accept that these "hate crime" statistics are "hard to understand while we're being so progressive." CNN includes itself in the progressive We:

PHILLIPS: But Dan, here's what I have a hard time understanding with numbers like this. We've come so far, our society has. I mean, if you look at -- take "don't ask, don't tell" about to be repealed. Gay marriage going all of the way to Supreme Court. Ellen, one of the most popular gay celebrities of our time. We love her talk show. And then even TV and movies and gay characters that are totally accepted. And it's hard to understand while we're being so progressive that these numbers are so high.

Savage said it is a "best of times, worst of times" moment, since there the culture is "freer" than ever, but it's invited a violent backlash, and "We can't lose sight that there are haters out there, and it has to be addressed and really the root causes of the hatred and the justifications of the hatred. Which unfortunately, often have a religious justification, have to be confronted and addressed." Savage singled out religion. Phillips then supportively wondered: "It's difficult to say what would be a solution. But can we start with more hate crime legislation, where bullies are prosecuted more severely?" That's when Savage said conservatives should be taken off the airwaves and the debate declared over. "Cultural reckoning" was the code word for censorship:

SAVAGE: We can also start -- really, we need a cultural reckoning among gay and lesbian issues. There was once two sides to the race debate. There was once a side you could go on television and argue for segregation, you could argue against interracial marriage, against the Civil Rights Act, against extending votes rights to African-Americans. And that used to be treated as one side -- one legitimate side of a pressing national debate, and it isn't anymore. We really need to reach that point with gay and lesbian issues.

There are no two sides to the issues about gay and lesbian rights. Right now, one side is really using dehumanizing rhetoric. The Southern Poverty Law Center labels these groups as hate groups. And yet, the leaders of these groups, people like Tony Perkins are welcomed onto networks like CNN to espouse hate directed at gays and lesbians. And similarly hateful people targeting Jews or people of color or anyone else would not be welcome to spew their bile on networks like CNN. We really have to start there. We have to start with that kind of cultural reckoning.

Phillips made no attempt to defend CNN. There was no defense of free expression. There was only a gee-thanks exchange:

PHILLIPS: Dan Savage, always good talking to you. Appreciate you Skyping in.

SAVAGE: Thank you very much.

PHILLIPS: You bet.

The idea that Savage is presented by Kyra Phillps and CNN as an anti-bullying voice is a joke. Pushing all social conservatives out of the CNN studios is the journalistic equivalent of bullying. Phillips has not pressed Savage to address is own bullying words on his own website, clearly demonstrating his raging hatred of conservative Christians. On October 1, Savage's "Letter of the Day" came from a conservative Christian:

To that end, to imply that I would somehow encourage my children to mock, hurt, or intimidate another person for any reason is completely unfounded and offensive. Being a follower of Christ is, above all things, a recognition that we are imperfect, fallible and in desperate need of a savior. We cannot believe that we are better or more worthy than other people. I have never in my life know someone who loved the Lord who wished ill will on other people and certainly not death "so that [we] can perpetuate [our own] agenda."

Savage responded in a savage way (emphasis his):

I'm sorry your feelings were hurt by my comments. No, wait. I'm not. Gay kids are dying. So let's try to keep things in perspective: fuck your feelings...

The children of people who see gay people as sinful or damaged or disordered and unworthy of full civil equality-even if those people strive to express their bigotry in the politest possible way (at least when they happen to be addressing a gay person)-learn to see gay people as sinful, damaged, disordered, and unworthy. And while there may not be any gay adults or couples where you live, or at your church, or at your workplace, I promise you that there are gay and lesbian children in your schools. You may only attack gays and lesbians at the ballot box, nice and impersonally, but your children have the option of attacking actual real gays and lesbians, in person, in real time.

Real gay and lesbian children. Not political abstractions, not "sinners." Real gay and lesbian children.

The dehumanizing bigotries that fall from lips of "faithful Christians," and the lies that spew forth from the pulpit of the churches "faithful Christians" drag their kids to on Sundays, give your straight children a license to verbally abuse, humiliate and condemn the gay children they encounter at school. And many of your straight children-having listened to mom and dad talk about how gay marriage is a threat to the family and how gay sex makes their magic sky friend Jesus cry himself to sleep-feel justified in physically attacking the gay and lesbian children they encounter in their schools. You don't have to explicitly "encourage [your] children to mock, hurt, or intimidate" gay kids. Your encouragement-along with your hatred and fear-is implicit. It's here, it's clear, and we can see the fruits of it.

Oh, and those same dehumanizing bigotries that fill your straight children with hate? They fill your gay children with suicidal despair. And you have the nerve to ask me to be more careful with my words.

Did that hurt to hear? Good. But hearing it couldn't have hurt nearly as much as what the boys in the photo above had to listen to-day-in, day-out, for years-at schools filled with bigoted little monsters created not in the image of a loving God, but in the images of the hateful and false "followers of Christ" they call "mom and dad."

CNN must be so proud that they're presenting this man as the Voice of Civility, the Voice Against Hate.
 

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The SPLC is considered by the Left to be one of . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:17pm.

. . . most credible resources for info on "hate" crimes.  It was the unnamed 'watchdog group' cited in DHS's scandalous assessment of 'Right-Wing Terrorists Threats" leaked in early 2009.

Is juvenile gay-bashing really on the rise?  Has it really reached epidemic proportions?  Are America's churches teaching children to assault gay children?

The MSM never questions the idea that the SPLC raises new threats and elevates existing threats in order to raise more money for itself.  The election of Obama gave them "threats," like the increased threat against the President's life (Depsite the fact that the head of the Secret Service stated last year that there were no more threats against Obama than there were against his predecessors).

So, when SPLC lists more conservative organizations on their Hate Group List, it's because they need to raise more cash.

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Daily Kos also pro-censorship

Submitted by Tim Graham on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:25pm.

Of course, Daily Kos agrees entirely with Dan the Censorship Man:

Savage is absolutely, 100% spot-on in his criticism of CNN, and the rest of the mainstream media.  How ridiculous of CNN to point out the statistically high rate of violence toward gay people and act aghast, while simultaneously not having a policy against giving a platform to anti-gay hate groups like NOM and the Family Research Council.  I’m not saying that CNN is solely responsible for anti-gay violence, but surely they have to realize they’re part of the problem.  By presenting LGBT equality as a topic worthy of a debate between two opposing sides – one side arguing for equality and the other side openly calling for the criminalization of homosexuality – news networks are sending a message to bullies and other haters that their viewpoint is legitimate.  Even legitimate enough for national television.

Bravo, Dan Savage.  We need to keep sending the message to the mainstream media that it’s not okay to give a platform to bigots and hate groups.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/23/922903/-Dan-Savage-Pwns-CNN...


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Jesus leader of a hate group

Submitted by exLib on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:31pm.

Never have the scriptures been more true than today.

Lovers of self. rather than God.

I have said for awhile now that there are people who would have no problem jailing Christians and it's closer than we think.  Burned at the stake?  Not for hardened criminals but OK for Christians I am sure.

I was just thinking about Paul in Ephesus, when he tried to teach against the Profetess Artimis and the whole town was driven into a hysterical rage and dragged Paul outside the city to kill him.

Ironic that those who are trying to use incidents of homosexuals being bullied to further a radical agenda will in the end be doing more than bullying those who disagree with them.

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Yet again,

Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:36pm.

if you disagree with the homosexuals, or the Free Mumia's or the Climate Change will kill us all crowd, you're a "hater".  Therefore, your rights must be taken from you, so that only those whose thoughts and speech are "pure" can be heard. 

I've yet to hear one word from the pulpit encouraging anyone to go out and deny anyone their rights, or to encourage someone to bully someone else, based on how they look, act, speak, who they hang out with, who they hold hands with or anything else. 

Gal's right, the SPLC is yet again demonizing someone, to raise money for their rent and salaries, nothing more, nothing less.  This from one of those "right-wing, easily recruited" veterans. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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Case in point . . .

Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:15pm.

If you go to the SPLC website and look at their list of existing hate groups, you will in fact find the New Black Panther Party, along with some anti-Semitic and death-to-crackers quotes by its officers.

But SPLC makes a clear distinction between the NBBP and the defunct Black Panther Party ('60s-'70s) by stating that the Black Panther Party was non-racist. (!!!)

However, if we read the Ten Point Program of the old Black Panther Party, it is quite obvious that beyond being a Maoist-inspired revolutionary party, it was a black-nationalist/separatist group.  It armed itself and conduct community patrols ostensibly to protect inner-city blacks from police brutality, but in fact as its First point states,

  1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES. We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities.

In other words, separate, sovereign black enclaves.

Could it be that the SPLC goes easy in the Black Panther Party because it was at one time allied with predominantly-white Leftwing student organizations in the late '60s an early'-70s?

Could it be that some of the senior white officers in the SPLC today were in fact members of or sympathetic to that alliance back then, when Stokely and Eldridge and Huey were heroes and martyrs? 

Could it be that the SPLC lists the vehemently anti-Semitic NBBP because many of its contributors are Jewish-Americans, and wants to make sure they create a discernable ideological gap between the NBPP and the legacy of Cleaver, Newton, and Carmichael?

Former Black Panther Party members have claimed that there is no association between their old group and the NBPP, and for all I know, that may be true. 

But for the SPLC to claim that the Black Panthers were non-racist is pure revisionist history intended to avoid splits in its audience.

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wrong!!!

Submitted by sometimesright on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:24pm.

But first, I've got to show you these numbers. They're stunning, plain and simple. In an analysis of 14 years of FBI stats found that gay people are those -- or those who are thought to be gay -- are twice as likely to be attacked in a violent hate crime than African- Americans or Jewish people.

nice try. inaccurate at best. 

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/victims.html    and this is JUST 2009! pay special attention to where islamic "hate crimes" rate compared to jewish.

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Your link contradicts your point

Submitted by Pairodocks on Wed, 12/01/2010 - 7:48pm.

Looking at the stats from your link, roughly 1132 Jewish people were the victim of a hate crime in 2009.  Roughly 132 were Muslim.  Roughly 2900 were black.  Roughly 1461 were gay.

There are roughly 5,128,000 Jews, 2,454,000 Muslims, 38.1 million blacks, and maybe 3.1 million gay people (That one is harder to get an accurate figure, so I'm assuming 1% of the population.).

So, the hate crime rate, if the Muslim, black, and gay populations were the same size as the Jewish population, would be 276, 546, and 2417.

2417 is more than twice 1132, thus gay people are more than twice as likely to be attacked than Jews.

2417 is more than twice 546, thus gay people are more than twice (more than four times, in fact) as likely to be attacked than blacks.

The only way I see your point being factually possible is if we assume that gay people make up much closer to 2% of the population than 1%, and then it'd only be correct in comparison to Jews.

However, if this article were about Muslim hate crimes versus Jewish hate crimes, then the evidence would be on your side.  I'm not sure why you brought Muslims up, though.

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The SPLC is a racist hate group

Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 5:57pm.

They hate white people as well as everything about this country that makes it America.

Their members and supporters should all be on a Marxist/communist watch list.

-Dave

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KKK=Southern Democrats

Submitted by Norto on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:06pm.

when will they ever recall that?

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Liberals Are Not Thinking

Submitted by Tenebrous on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:30pm.

If the SPLC is accurate, why can't anyone else validate their claims? The spike of violence exists because they need for it to exist. It is not an external threat that they are addressing, but an internal threat (loss of prestiege, loss of money) that leads them to externalize the problem.

The SPLC should be publicly exposed, shamed, defunded, and its members should go to jail for hate crimes.

---- Let us all eviscerate the trolls and fill their carcasses with bile and venom.
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This is what mamabear was

Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:36pm.

This is what mamabear was trying to tell me in another thread.  I no longer have the right to view gay behavior as sinful because it makes gay people feel bad. 

Where are my civil rights?

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Don't you realize the truth?

Submitted by Rhymes With Right on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 10:15am.

If you are white, male, Christian, or straight, you have no civil rights -- you have the choice between agreeing with the agenda of the popularly acclaimed "oppressed minority group du jour" or being suppressed as intolerable by the forces of tolerance.

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Rad, you should

Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:44pm.

just agree with the old grizzly, whatever she says is absolutely correct.  The majority of us have no civil rights, because the exercise of one or many of our rights makes one "protected" group or another, "feel bad". 
 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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False assumption

Submitted by KC Mulville on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:47pm.

Savage says that we have to get to the point where opposition is not tolerated. Think about that.

And the defense for this kind of nonsense is the emotional plea, but kids are dying! And he's sorry for hurting others' feelings, but he's bravely speaking out for The Truth.

What an obnoxious, self-important clown! Forget him. Being pushy doesn't make one more correct. It just intimidates airheads like the lightweights at CNN. 

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CNN has hit rock bottom...

Submitted by gopcongress on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 6:56pm.

...when they have to promote someone using Skype.

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Sorry, I'm Going To Have To Agree With Dan On This One...

Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 8:12pm.

Yeah, Savage can be a douchebag most of the time, but then again, so are the douchebags listed on this SPLC list. I mean, how can you consciously say that the American Family Association is a mainstream Christian group when it publishes screeds like this: http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500637 (Bryan Fischer: Ahmadeniajiad Might Be On To Something), which basically he agrees with the Holocaust denying president of Iran the idea of forcing young men ages 19-21 to marry young girls ages 16-18.

Oh, and their news outlet had a tendency to replace the word gay with homosexual, even when the word gay doesn't meant what you think. Hence, the article about a track-and-field athlete named Tyson Homosexual:

In addition to blocking traffic from websites they don’t like, it looks like the web-geniuses behind the American Family Association’s OneNewsNow site have a few other tricks up their sleeves, such as automatically replacing any use of the word “gay” with the word “homosexual” in any of the AP stories they run … leading to instances in which proper names are reformatted to meet their ridiculous standard, such as this article about sprinter Tyson Gay winning the 100 meters at the U.S. Olympic track and field trials in which he is renamed “Tyson Homosexual”:

Though AFA has since corrected its article, it looks like this auto-replace feature has been embarrassing them for quite some time now:

And while they may have fixed this particular instance, it looks like they haven't gone back through their archives and corrected other articles where this happened, such as this article where professional basketball player Rudy Gay is referred to as "Rudy Homosexual."

 

So, it might not be hateful, but you have to ask yourself how paranoid a conservative Christian group has to be in using a filter for the word gay in any context. After all, their is more than one definition to the words weiner (such as "I wish I were an Oscar Mayer weiner") or cock (as in "Who shot Cock Robin?")

Oh and the AFA is a bullying group, if you call bullying private business into following their social agenda. In fact, they were the pricks that got Mighty Mouse cancelled back in the 1980s, so I've had a personal grudge against them for years.

 

And P.S.: If you have such a problem with the so-called f-word, why did you write it out when you could have easily put asterisks in the vowels and consonants? Hypocrite, indeed.

[corrected 4:12 PM PST.]

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Sorry, I'm Going To Have To

Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 9:31pm.

Sorry, I'm Going To Have To Agree With Dan On This One...
  Well knock me over with a feather, 7 agrees with the liberal.  As far as substituting "homosexual" for "gay", why is that so wrong?  It's still correct isn't it?  So the software needs a better filter, big deal.   And I'd say the GLTB lobby is more of a bully than anyone, since now they are trying to tell Christian's to redefine the definition of sin to not include homosexual behaviour. 
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Care To Read Some Of The Names On The List?

Submitted by TheReal7Sticks on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 10:01pm.

Believe me, as bad as some certain homosexual groups can be at berating people about equal rights (which I acknowledge is a symptom of political correctness), it is not exclusive to homosexuality. How can you deny that there are some truly delusional and paranoid Christian groups that berate us with claims that the homosexuals are out to commit pedophilia on children? Take a look for yourself at the worst of the worst (and these are excerpts I cherry-picked from the actual SPLC list, just so you know it isn't all it's cracked up to be):

"*Americans for Truth About Homosexuality: ...AFTAH is notable for its posting of the utterly discredited work of Paul Cameron (of the Family Research Institute; see below), who has claimed that gays and lesbians live vastly shorter lives than heterosexuals. Among the Cameron propaganda published by AFTAH are 2007 claims that gays and lesbians in Norway and Denmark live 24 fewer years than heterosexuals. Reviewing that claim, Danish epidemiologist Morten Frisch found that it had no scientific basis (see story on related Cameron claims, p. 32). LaBarbera himself, in 2002, compared the alleged dangers of homosexuality to those of “smoking, alcohol and drug abuse.” Similarly, AFTAH’s website carries essays describing homosexuality as a “lethal behavior addiction,” a “dangerous” practice that is “neither normal nor benign.”

In 2007, LaBarbera claimed there was “a disproportionate incidence of pedophilia” among gay men — yet another false assertion (see story, p. 31). The same year, he posted an open letter to the Lithuanian people from long-time gay-basher Scott Lively (see Abiding Truth Ministries, above), who has made a series of false claims about gays running the German Nazi Party. In the piece posted to the AFTAH website, Lively said homosexuals are trying to take away free speech from all opponents of gays and to silence all religious opinions on the matter.

The AFTAH site repeats bogus claims like the idea that a proposed bill in California would “promote cross-dressing, sex-change operations, bisexuality and homosexuality” to kindergartners and other children. And it ran an essay that falsely asserted that hate crime laws would “restrict our speech” (see story, p. 33).;

Or this dandy: *MassResistance: ...As president of yet another group, the Interfaith Coalition of Massachusetts, Camenker spearheaded the drafting of a bill that passed in 1996 and required that parents be notified of any sex education in their children’s schools. That same year, Camenker claimed that suicide prevention programs aimed at gay youth actually were “put together by homosexual activists to normalize homosexuality.” Later, MassResistance charged that groups like the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), which support school anti-bullying programs, actually want to lure children into homosexuality and, very possibly, sadomasochism.

In 2006-2007, Mass-Resistance pushed for an amendment of the 1996 statute that would have required that parents be notified of any discussion of gay or lesbian issues in the schools. The group proposed language that lumped sexual orientation (which includes heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality) in with criminal behaviors like bestiality and polygamy. During legislative testimony supporting the amendment, Camenker falsely claimed that no homosexuals died in the Holocaust (see related story, p. 32) and that the pink triangle the Nazis forced imprisoned gays to wear actually signified Catholic priests. The amendment did not pass.

Camenker, who has long focused on the purported “homosexual agenda” in the schools and frequently claimed gays are dangerous to kids, has repeatedly cited discredited claims from organizations like the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality that link homosexuality and pedophilia. 

In 2008, Camenker made another accusation for which there was no supporting evidence at all — the claim that the state of Massachusetts had had to spend more money every year since same-sex marriage became legal in that state. That, he said, was because of “skyrocketing homosexual domestic violence” and because of the “extreme dysfunctional nature of homosexual relationships.”

Care to explain this one?: Liberty Counsel, Orlando, Fla.: ...The organization may be best known for its campaigns to ensure that “public displays of religion” are maintained during the Christmas holiday, and it has adopted broad right-wing views, including the allegation that the Obama Administration has a “socialist liberal agenda.” But it also has focused heavily on anti-gay activism.

In 2009, J. Matt Barber, formerly with Concerned Women for America and Americans for Truth About Homosexuality (see above for both), joined Liberty Counsel as director of cultural affairs (also becoming Liberty University’s associate dean for career and professional development). A year earlier, Barber had argued that given “medical evidence about the dangers of homosexuality,” it should be considered “criminally reckless for educators to teach children that homosexual conduct is a normal, safe and perfectly acceptable alternative.”

The Counsel also has been active in battling same-sex marriage, saying it would destroy the “bedrock of society.” In 2005, the group’s blog said: “People who … support the radical homosexual agenda will not rest until marriage has become completely devalued. Children will suffer most from this debauchery.” A 2007 blog posting said same-sex marriage would “severely impact future generations.”

Like other anti-gay groups, Liberty Counsel argues that hate crime laws are “actually ‘thought crimes’ laws that violate the right to freedom and of conscience” — an opinion rejected by the Supreme Court. In fact, the laws raise penalties for crimes already on the books — assault, murder and so on — that were motivated by hatred of people based on their sexual orientation (see related story, p. 29). They do not, and could not under the Constitution, punish people for voicing opinions.

Since 2006, Liberty Counsel has also run its “Change is Possible” campaign with Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays to protect people who say they’ve changed from gay to straight from “discrimination” by “intolerant homosexuals.”

I could go on and on, but I have a trip to make to my Grandma's house for Thanksgiving, so (pun well intended), food for thought.

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Over the river and through the woods, to grandmother's---

Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 10:09pm.

house Sticks goes.

With any luck, ol' Sticks might take a header into the icy water.

I'm not wishing the rantmeister any harm, you understand; I just think that the cold water dip might shock him back into a semblance of sanity.

You know, sort of in place of the electro-shock therapy he got at the asylum prior to escaping.

MD

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Oddly enough, Sticks

Submitted by Rhymes With Right on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 9:52am.

The very predictions made by these organizations and their leaders are being shown to be true on a daily basis -- and the very effort to classify these religiously orthodox groups as hate groups and to therefore silence them (and other groups with similar orthodox positions on homosexuality) is demonstrates that they were right.  indeed, I'd argue that the effort to silence them validates their positions and the statements you cite regarding the threat of the "gay agenda" to the rights of Christians and others.

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Dan Savage is a Christian-hating bully

Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 8:13pm.

Notice how he paints all Christians with the same broad brush and uses typical Atheistic hate speech like calling Jesus our "magic sky friend". So, by his logic, shouldn't his column be pulled and he be banned from appearing on any national news outlet? Because it sounds an awful lot like he's encouraging people to hate Christians.

Also, it seems to me like the recent anti-bullying campaign seems like little more than an excuse to bash Christians and their beliefs. And notice how Christianity is the only acceptable target, since Savage and the rest of the liberal talking heads completely fail to mention how homosexuals are treated under Islamic law.

And what Savage, and a few others, seem to be suggesting is that we need to get rid of Christianity in order to stop the bullying, as if kids in school couldn't find dozens of other reasons to bully people. I predict within a few years, children will get bullied for being Christian. I wonder if CNN and the rest of the MSM will do anything to stop it. I'm guessing no.

Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.

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Guilt by fabrication

Submitted by neutron on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 7:25pm.

When the gay violinist student was filmed by his roommate and it was broadcast on the campus web, he commited suicide.

The roomate was LIBERAL DEMOCRAT but the lamestream media blamed Republicans for the suicide?

Liberals must have learned "Critical Thinking" in their Pretzel Logic class.

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I checked the SPLC's website,

Submitted by big.league.slider on Wed, 11/24/2010 - 11:36pm.

I checked the SPLC's website, but I did not see the Taliban listed as a hate group.  They did, however, list the US Border Patrol and the JDL.

Apparently, Islamohomophobia is acceptable behaviour to the SPLC.

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The real gay haters are Muslim

Submitted by surfergirl54 on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 2:56am.

I wonder why it is that the SPLC glosses over the fact that at least in San Francisco the real perpetrators of hate crimes against gays are Muslims.

As Kevin Dujan on Hillbuzz.org has stated, the worst he normally gets from Christian readers of his blog is "I will pray for you".  Christians do not physically attack gays.

As for the Phelps family, well they are Left-wing Democrats, which is another point that the MSM neglects to mention.

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I don't get it Mr. Savage

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 7:59am.

Christians shouldn't express their beliefs because it might hurt someone's feelings? Didn't you say something like....uh...what was it...OH YEAH..."F*&K YOUR FEELINGS"?  So only the feelings of teh gays matter.  Got it.  So a Christian telling someone that homosexuality is immoral and a sin could cause violence and is hate speech but a gay activist saying "f*^k your feelings" and using terms like "magic sky friend Jesus" is okay.  I am really confused.

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I saw a quote recently

Submitted by Rhymes With Right on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 9:48am.

It stated that where religious orthodoxyy ceases to be normative, it soons comes to be prohibited.

Consider what we are seeing here.

Only two generations ago, it was the accepted norm in our society that there was something morally and behaviorally unacceptable about homosexual activity.  "The love that dare not speak its name" was frowned upon by the law, though rare was criminal prosecution for engaging in homosexual activity if it were done so discretely and in private.  Virtually every religious group condemned homosexual activity as sinful, and those that did not were considered to be outside the mainstream.

Only a generation ago, society was encouraged to encouraged to become more "tolerant" of homosexuality.  Homosexual leaders and their allies insisted that society simply leave homosexuals alone to live their own lives in their own way, free from the threat of fines or imprisonment.  No one, we were promised, would be forced to act contrary to their religious beliefs.

Today we find holosexual activity defined as a civil right, and gay rights as the official mantra of government officials.  Students are taught in school that opposition to homosexuality is bigotry, and are censored by their teachers and principals if they dare to day that such activity is sinful.  Religious groups are required to open all but their sanctuaries to gay weddings and gay organizations, even if such activities are contrary to the teachings of the group, under an expansive notion of "non-discrimination" and "public acommodations".  Religious believers who oppose homosexuality are compelled to produce pro-homosexual propaganda on demand and do business with gay organizations despite their opposition to the goals of those groups.  Now groups teaching what was Christian orthodoxy for 2000 years are labeled as hate groups and demands are made that they be silenced and excluded from public life and debate.

So that quote I saw was correct -- religious orthodoxy, once made optional, will ultimately be crushed by the very forces of "progress" that preached tolerance for heterodoxy.

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Conviction

Submitted by misterbee241 on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 11:16am.

A sinner who knows he is doing wrong but refuses to change anything can be a bitter person indeed.  Satan has Savage by the coat tails.  If Savage truly believed his lifestyle was right and good and acceptable to God, he wouldnt have gone off on the emailer like he did.  But Savage knows what he is doing is wrong and he will be held accountable for it.  And therein lies the rub.

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Another dimwit heard from!!!

Submitted by Patriot II on Thu, 11/25/2010 - 12:08pm.

So this A.H. is a believer in free speech , as long as its from socialist perverted a.h's like him!  Dirtbag scum!!!!

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Here's my question; what

Submitted by Arya on Wed, 12/01/2010 - 7:22pm.

Here's my question; what happened to the Separation of Church and State? Why should non-Christians be forced to live by Biblical verses, especially when not even Christians are forced to live by them? Christians are free to divorce and remarry, cheat, eat pork, wear mix fibre clothing, are not allowed to beat their children and wives to death, women are free to enter a church when she is on her period, A rape victim is not sold off to her rapist, etc.

The US needs to get over its bigotry...the rest of the world is already starting to look at you like a third world country. No healthcare? No education? No public transportation? You don't treat Gay people as equals? My country has all of these things, and is in much better economic shape than yours, to boot. Maybe it's time you get with the program.

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Wow

Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/01/2010 - 7:24pm.

You've really studied up on the US, huh?

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bkeyser,

Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 12/01/2010 - 7:32pm.

great example that the liberal US hating media is world wide.

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Oh really

Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/01/2010 - 7:39pm.

The US needs to get over its bigotry...the rest of the world is already starting to look at you like a third world country.

 

Then why do they come here, and experience no racism? The rest of the world is where the bigots live, wake up!

 

Third world nation, compaired to who?

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Canada huh?

Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 12/02/2010 - 6:16am.

It's funny how SOME Canadians like yourself like to think of themselves as more akin to Europeans than to Americans. I've had many conversations with people from all over Europe and you should know, they put Canadians and Americans on the same level. Get off your high horse.....hoser.

 

I must however thank Canada for hockey.  It was during a hockey trip to Edmonton that I learned some Canadians are just like rednecks with different accents.  They do however share a love of mullets.  Bigotry is alive and well in the Great White North.

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