WaPo Honors Social Liberal Chris Matthews on Page One as 'Devoutly Catholic'
MSNBC's Chris Matthews is a devout liberal, including on contentious social issues like abortion and homosexuality. But on the front page of Tuesday's Washington Post, religion reporter Michelle Boorstein began a story on Archbishop Donald Wuerl's elevation to Cardinal at the Vatican like this:
The archbishop's two brothers will be there. So will a rabbi he knows from Pittsburgh, the D.C. barber who cuts his hair and the fast-talking (and devoutly Catholic) television commentator Chris Matthews.
Do "devout" Catholics lecture their bishops that they should get their churchy noses out of our legislating? Boorstein apparently missed Matthews lecturing the Bishop of Providence, Thomas Tobin, in defense of Rep. Patrick Kennedy's pro-abortion politics on "Hardball" last November.
Now, I've asked you three times, your Excellency, to tell me what the law should be. And if you can't do it, maybe you shouldn't be involved in telling Congressman Kennedy how to write the law. You say you don't know how to do it. Well, you ought to try before you tell him what he's doing wrong. That's my thinking.
...Your problem is you haven't gotten people to obey your moral code through teaching and you have resorted now to use the law to do your enforcement for you. And the problem with that is you are hesitant, even here your Excellency, to state for me now what the punishment should be under the law for having an abortion, because you know, deep down, if you said one minute in prison, you would be laughed at, because the American people, Catholic and non-Catholic, do not think it's a criminal act to have an abortion.
Apparently, Archbishop Wuerl has never seen this televised fit, either, or perhaps he'd at least ask Matthews to apologize to Bishop Tobin before he travels to Rome and is honored in the newspapers as "devout." Tobin dared to publicly instruct and refuse communion to Congressman Kennedy, which is not "telling Congressman Kennedy to how to write the law," but how to be a Catholic.
Matthews and his wife Kathleen have been reported to be regular parishioners at the Church of the Blessed Sacrament in northwest DC. In April, Post religion reporter William Wan displayed a more traditional form of bias -- the refusal to label liberals -- when he focused on Monsignor John Enzler, "whose high-profile congregants include "Hardball" host Chris Matthews and conservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan."
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Judgement Day
Submitted by kiwikit on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 9:36am.
Will see Chrissie as not only not devout but not any other kind of Catholic. . . One can not be pro-abortion and call yourself a Catholic and the lack of his Church's making such a statement is a scandal to all Catholics who follow their teaching.
Good Lord, I am so sick of
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 9:50am.
Good Lord, I am so sick of these people being described as "devout Catholics."
I do not think it means what you think it means -Inigo Montoya
Inigo Montoya was right...
Submitted by ledurchi on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 9:58am.
"Devout" is not synonymous with "Cafeteria"
Alas, Chrissy is one of the pseudo-catholic termites......
Submitted by merly1 on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:17am.
eating away at the structure of the Church. Fortunately, the Church heirarcy is in no
mood to compromise anymore, especially with billions of souls at stake.
Catholic belief: human being
Submitted by Edhenry on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 9:54am.
Catholic belief: human being at conception
Pro-abortion = killing a human being
I guess I am not smart enough to find the "nuance".
Devout moonbat
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:05am.
Chris Matthews epitomizes what Catholics consider bad behavior. He's a lying, disrespectful, mean-spirited, unforgiving, rationalizing elitist. Oh yeah, he's for killing unborn babies too.
You CANNOT be Catholic and
Submitted by Van Halen on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:05am.
You CANNOT be Catholic and pro-abortion at the same time other than allowances for rape/incest.
Van Halen, you're mistaken.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:45am.
You cannot be a Catholic and support abortion, period.
From Catholic Answers (emphasis mine):
"An unborn child is an innocent human, regardless of the circumstances of his conception. Though tragic, the crimes of rape or incest are only exacerbated, and the woman's torments are only intensified, by the additional sin of abortion. Since... the unborn is human, regardless of the "caliber" of his pre-born life, no alleged deficiency in his "quality" of life can justify the taking of that life.
LINK
Correct
Submitted by onewiseguy on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:17am.
I was going to post something similar.....you simply CANNOT be a devout Catholic and believe in abortion, under ANY circumstances.
This is another trick used by
Submitted by Van Halen on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:07am.
This is another trick used by the JournOList media to blur what their people really are: hardcore Progressive Liberals.
Just like the term 'moderate' or when they call Kathleen Parker 'Conservative'. If the JourOList media describes anyone as anything other than a 'Far Right' whatever, you know that person is a Liberal.
Devout Liberal
Submitted by NoMoreChange on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:07am.
It seems the only argument Chris has for abortion is the difficulty of determining the punishment for those women who have them. He never addresses the killing of innocent babies. It doesn't really matter Chris, what the punishment is for the Mom, because death is the punishment for the most innocent of all.
Devout
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:42am.
Again, I'll make a distinction between judging a person's faith versus judging the things he says in public about faith issues.
Once again, we have a prominent "Catholic" who contradicts the church publicly on moral issues. To non-Catholics, that may be OK, but Catholics have a moral obligation to strive to come to agreement with the teaching of the bishops. You may, in conscience, disagree with a teaching, but that doesn't mean you can play amateur theologian.
It also doesn't mean that you
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:50am.
It also doesn't mean that you can publicly resist and disparge the Church's teaching and remain a Catholic in good standing.
I'm guessing by "devout" they mean that Matthews goes to Mass regularly. I've never heard him speak positively of the Catholic Church. He only mentions it to criticize it.
This, from Catholic.org, explains it well"
...if Mr. Matthews wants to advance his liberal agenda, then that is his right. But he does not have the right to present himself in a public forum as a "Catholic." Public figures who profess to be Catholics have a duty to bear witness to the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church. This also holds true especially if they have positions of prominence in the media or in government.
KC...six of the nine current
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:21am.
KC...six of the nine current Supreme Court justices are Catholic. Do you believe each is invested with a moral and religious imperative to make every effort to align rulings and shape opinions in conformity with Catholic orthodoxy? For example, as a measure of "devoutness", should each initiate a legal review of the law on contraception from the operative premise that it violates Catholic doctrine. Should they at least mention their objections in their written opinions? Publicly profess their moral and theological opposition to the practice?
Jer
What, in KC's answer caused
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:38am.
What, in KC's answer caused you to infer that "devout" would mean
align rulings and shape opinions in conformity with Catholic orthodoxy?The role of the Supreme Court is to decide whether laws are in alignment with the constitution, not Catholic teaching. There is a difference between being "devout" in one's personal life, and adhering to the constitution. I'm sure the Catholic justices know the difference.
Well, motherbelt..
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:34pm.
...maybe it would have been more appropriate to address the statement you quote from Catholic.org:
Public figures who profess to be Catholics have a duty to bear witness to the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church. This also holds true especially if they have positions of prominence in the media or in government.
SC Justices are public figures who hold positions of prominence in one of the three branches of government.
I was just trying to determine the parameters of their responsibility to bear witness to the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church.
Jer
Jer, I gave you the parameters as I see them.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 2:09pm.
I thought my point was clear.
There is a difference between being "devout" in one's personal life, and adhering to the constitution.If you don't get it, I don't know what else to say.
Ahhh, jer...where did this
Submitted by bassndude on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:57am.
Ahhh, jer...where did this come from? What has the SC decisions have in common with Matthews? You've lost it dude. Go back to bed for the day.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal/troll!!
Shaping law
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 1:07pm.
No, because your suggestion assumes that the judge's job is to shape law. That's not the case.
The judge's job is to say what the law is, whether he agrees with it or not. As it is, I'm against capital punishment. But if you ask me whether capital punishment is constitutional, I have no trouble answering, yes it is. I haven't violated any moral teaching in stating the reality that it is the law. In fact, if I were a Supreme Court judge, I'd have the moral obligation to tell the truth about what the law actually says, whether I agree with it or not. The question of what a judge is supposed to do is simple: tell the truth about what the law says.
KC...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 6:13pm.
Supreme Court justices are uniquely empowered to interpret what the Constitution says, and, as such, they can indeed "shape" law. Still, I agree with you regarding the essential distinction between personal beliefs and constitutional requirements, although in unsettled areas of law that distinction may become significantly blurred.
However, it still leaves open the question to what extent must one witness his beliefs by publicly announcing his fealty to religious orthodoxy. A reading of motherbelt's quote suggests that a prominent public official should do so as an appropriate measure of "devoutness" and authenticity. Or do I misconstrue?
Jer
Fun questions
Submitted by KC Mulville on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 8:14pm.
I deny that they're empowered, since I don't think the Constitution actually gives them the right to "shape" anything. However, the Founders never anticipated that the judiciary would grab such power, so the Founders never created any mechanism to prevent it. The effect, sadly, is the same. But I digress.
Let's pass the judiciary question, since it shouldn't be very interesting. Instead, let's consider a Catholic legislator. That's where the fun is.
First, we make the necessary distinction between religious faith and religious authority. The legislator's authority comes from the consent of the people, not from the bishop. Therefore, when representing his district, he is morally forbidden from "taking orders" from the bishop. That's a violation of Catholic law, never mind the civil law. (We can generalize it. Suppose you're a general making decisions about war. You do not have to submit to the bishop about how you conduct war. The bishop is your bishop ... he's not your absolute Sith Lord.) If a bishop tries to intimidate you into doing what he tells you, especially about exercising your office, he is abusing his authority and violating his own office. A Catholic politician is not a vassal, in the technical term.
The real fun is found in the question of, whether he's Catholic or not, how does a legislator represent his district? Is he merely a message-carrier, and therefore duty-bound to vote however the majority decides on any given issue? Or is he expected to add his own judgment?
The answer to the question of Catholic allegiance depends on how you view representatives now. If you think that representatives are "ambassadors," and you elect a Catholic, then you can't complain if he makes decisions based on his Catholic morality. He's made no secret (we assume) of his faith, and has campaigned on his value system, and if you elect him, well, it's your fault.
However, mass communications has made it possible now for the people to be in daily contact with their representative. Before, a Catholic legislator never really had to separate his personal view from the majority view of his district, because it wasn't possible to know the majority view on every issue. Now he can.
So - I argue - a contemporary legislator still has the latitude to vote according to his own morality and value system. But that could soon be changing. Voters may not get a plebiscite on every issue, but they may very well start demanding more input into the day to day votes. This could very well become a big issue in a few years.
Premise Flawed
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 6:42pm.
Jer:
1) Which of the SCJ's have held themselves out as devout Catholics as Matthews has presumed to have done on multiple occasions?
2) Do you think JFK was a liar about being able to be faithful to the office of the presidency without being dictated to by the Pope?
strat...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 7:02pm.
1. I don't know that any of them have. Do you know that Matthews has held himself out to be a devout Catholic? On what is your presumption based? My question is what is required to be regarded as devout, and what is then required of one so regarded.
2. No.
Jer
What Do You Think Are The Rules?
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:24pm.
You've introduced by way of your questions to KCMullville that SCJ's of Catholic faith may be/are led by their religion rather than the Constitution in their decisions. I countered with if you thought JFK was a liar when he claimed he would be President who happened to be Catholic, the Pope not influencing his decisions. You replied that JFK did not lie.
Which is true for you? JFK's super special but SCJ's aren't?
Matthews has mentioned his religion more than once. I have read that he attends or has attended church regularly. Does this make him a "practicing" Catholic? And isn't "practicing" a measure of devotion?
Can one consider themselves a "practicing" Catholic when they are pro-abortion, an act that is one of the gravest offences in Catholicism?
How about the time Matthews blended his self-determined form of Catholicism with Liberalism to pistolwhip Bishop Toobin in a 2009 interview. Which part of Church Doctrine invites this behavior? Is that a "practicing" Catholic's approach, or is that the way a devout Liberal who ascribes to cafeteria Catholicism behaves? BTW... was there any contrition for his behavior?
Supporting abortion and claiming Catholic affectations is incongruous. In my understanding, one aspect of being a practicing Catholic, which is a measure of devotion, does not require perfection, as commonly defined by the Left to bludgeon Christians, but the affirmation of what is right and wrong per Church Doctrine even though one may not be able to fulfill all those obligations perfectly as we are imperfect beings. You must recognize abortion is wrong even if you have failed at some point in your life. It's the knowing of, the believing in what is right and wrong per the Church where Matthews fails.
Matthews chooses Liberalism over one of the most sancrosanct teachings of the Catholic Church, arguing that the Church is wrong on abortion, flatly and pointedly rejecting the Church. In this critical aspect, Matthews rejects God. Is that a "practicing" Catholic? Or is he an imperfect being trying his best, like many of us, deserving of understanding and his measure of forgiveness in his wrongs? I understand why KCMullville does not judge the devotion of people in their faith. How can we know the relationship of another person with God.
According to The Washington Posts' Michelle Boorstein in her column today stating "... the fast-talking (and devoutly Catholic) television commentator Chris Matthews."
Hmm.
Wasn't it Ann Coulter who said if you don't believe in Catholic Church doctrine then you are a Protestant?
WaPo honors
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:43am.
Matthews in an article saying he is a "Devout psycho-babbling Catholic moron".
I think the Nobel Price
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:14am.
Is just around the corner for Ol' Tingles. I mean they give it out for nothing, so not much of a stretch.
Chrissi a Devout Catholic...my ***S*S*!
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 11:33am.
If, he is then he must have access to a confession booth 24/7! This man spews so much anger and vitriol when he is on TV, specially when he is talking to a conservative guest.
Not to mention how he treats conservative females on his show...the name calling and never ending innuendo...please!
To liberals titles are more important then actions
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:06pm.
No matter what one calls himself or what anyone else calls them, we all answer to our maker in the end and there is no nuance or "it depends" in that conversation.
GOD does not depend on our belief just as gravity does not depend on our belief. No one including Stephen Hawking can describe how magnatism works, but we all know that it does.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
OXYMORON
Submitted by LaVallette on Wed, 11/17/2010 - 4:58am.
"Pro gay and/or pro abortion (devout) Catholic"! An oxymoron, with the accent on "moron".
It is equivalent to "a pro capitalism communist" or even "A racist Catholic"