David Brooks and Mark Shields Agree Again on PBS: Cheney, Limbaugh and Beck Wreck GOP

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The liberals inside the taxpayer-funded PBS sandbox know how to keep looking down their noses at their competitors in conservative talk radio and TV. Once again, on Friday night’s NewsHour, the supposedly opposing duo of Mark Shields and David Brooks offered their shared revulsion of any Republican spokesman to the right of Sen. Lindsey Graham.

It started when NewsHour anchor Judy Woodruff asked their reaction to former Vice President Dick Cheney accusing Obama of "dithering" on Afghanistan. Sheields called Cheney a "gift." Brooks lamented that the Republicans lack leaders that sound exactly as moderate as he is:

I always wish it was John McCain or Lindsey Graham or somebody of that nature who was leading the charge.

The Republican Party has a terrible problem of who its spokespeople are. It tends not to be the best voices in the party. Lamar Alexander, senator from Tennessee, said he completely understood why Obama was taking his time to make this decision. And instead of those voices getting prominence, you get Dick Cheney, you get Rush Limbaugh, you get Glenn Beck. That's part of a larger problem.

Naturally, Shields agreed:

David mentioned John McCain and Lindsey Graham. And he's right. They're trying to reach out, and they recognize the country's changed. The party has to change. And the Republican Party got whomped, thumped, among those new emerging constituencies, among young voters. And I think it's probably best exemplified in the special election in the 23rd District of New York....

Dede Scozzafava, who is the Republican nominee, has been opposed by many in her own -- in the conservative wing of the party, the Club For Growth, the Family Research Council, and so forth, Sarah Palin. And Tom Davis, the former Republican from Virginia, a shrewd and astute man, said Rush Limbaugh and Family Research Council really want the Republican Party to be a social club, where there's an admissions test, rather than a political party, where, by definition, it's a coalition.And I think that's what the party is going through right now.

WOODRUFF: Weigh in on this.

BROOKS: Well, I agree. It's sort of a tea party movement, which is not Republican. They're ideological purists or they're filled with social resentments. And they want narrow definition of small community of purists. And they are running against any moderate Republican.

And, that, is the identity party -- identity crisis of the party. And the danger from I think a lot of people's point of view is, Republicans will probably do well in 2010. And they will draw the exact wrong conclusion, that it's because they went over to the tea party movement that they did well. And that will retard the growth of the party.

The logic train somehow derailed here. The GOP will make gains in 2010, which will retard its growth?

Then Woodruff asked about the White House fight with Fox News, giving Brooks another opportunity to criticize, associating the Fox talkers with childish things:

I think there are real journalists at Fox News. Major Garrett and the people on the 6:00 news who are reporters, they are real quality journalists. That doesn't mean you have to like Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. So, I think they're factually wrong.

I understand why they're doing it. If they can identify the Republican Party with Glenn Beck, that's to their advantage. Nonetheless, I think, in the long term, you are defined by your enemies. And if you see yourself as the perpetual enemy of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, then you will come to appear as the anti-Rush Limbaugh and anti-Glenn Beck.

And your -- your -- the idea that Barack Obama came to office with, that we will put away childish things and rise above some of these petty fights, that will all be gone, because they will just be part of another petty fight.

SHIELDS: Do I understand their going after them, their anger? I guess I do, I mean, because they -- Fox News lists itself as fair and balanced. And anything -- Glenn Beck describes -- admits he's a rodeo clown. And Sean Hannity, who is out-and-out raising money for Republican, conservative causes, campaigning for Republicans, they're not journalists in any sense.

I do agree with David that people like Shep Smith, and Chris Wallace runs a good Sunday show. And there are people. But they just have merged, I think, opinion and news gathering there more than -- certainly than is traditional.

Both men then agreed – of course – that the attack on Fox was a bad idea. Brooks added that it was just unpresidential for Obama to lower himself to the level of Bill O'Reilly. Obama's battle was like Nixon's, but "it is anti-O'Reilly. And why would you want to do that? Just -- you're the president of the United States."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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I guess that Mr. Brooks and

I guess that Mr. Brooks and Mr. Shields didn't hear as of Friday night that Lamar Alexander called the "One" Nixonian and engaged in constructing 'enemies lists'. If they had I doubt either would have mentioned Lamar as a 'sensible' republican for he would have violated the Third Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy Obama in vain.

... and Brooks did so Well

Well we tried it Brook's way with John McCain. Guess what, Brooks backed Obama.  The Steve Schmidts, Rick Davis's of the party had their chance. They LOST!!!!!

.. and Schmidt had the nerve to call Palin catasrophic. 

 

Did Brooks mention the

Did Brooks mention the crease in BHO's pants in his commentary?

What kind of debate show is

What kind of debate show is it when everyone agrees about everything?  Thank God someone else watches this drivel, cause I couldn't stomach it.

So what I got from this is, if you agree with the liberal/Dem mindset, you're enlightened and civilized. It you don't you're mean. and ornery.

Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.

The GOP is wrecking

The GOP is wrecking themselves. It's not the fault of Limbaugh and company that you guys want the GOP to be the new Democrat party. Seriously, you want John McCain or Lindsey Graham leading the way, lol? That's what got the GOP in the mess it's in today.

That's what got the OUR COUNTRY in the mess it's in today.

There, I fixed it for you.

- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.

Brooks and his ilk long for

Brooks and his ilk long for the days of Howard Baker, Nelson Rockefeller, and Margaret Chase Smith - when the GOP was always second and knew their place - they were the token opposition who supported the Democrats' programs, but were just somewhat worried about the cost. Brooks is the flaccid kind of Republican that PBS likes.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

It comes down to one thing.

It comes down to one simple thing.

Compare Chris Matthew's joyous response to the victory of his candidate, the "tingling in his leg," versus the great commentator Ernie Pyle's response to the liberation of Paris by the good guys, “I hope that in victory we are more grateful than we are proud. I hope we can rejoice in victory—but humbly. The dead men would not want us to gloat.”

David Brooks has turned to the left

David Brooks has turned to the left, ever since he joined the New York Times.  He is the token "conservative" for PBS. 

Weak men turn. Strong men know the cost of keeping their ground.

Weak men turn. Strong men remember the cost of gaining their ground.

David Brooks is a coward, to be sure. But he forgot why he got where he was.

What wrecks a party the most is when men forget the cost of what got them where they are.

Men died on the fields of battle in our great civil war to uphold  Republican ideals. The leaders of the Republican party understood that and held to those ideals. It gave them decades of victory as the majority party.

What wrecks a party is forgeting to honor the dead who got you there when you celebrate victory.

We need to honor Reagan first and ignore what Mr. Brooks thinks. He gave us the course to follow.

Yea, Brooks is about as

Yea, Brooks is about as conservative as Behar. A child could see through his act, for crying out loud.

He's allowed himself to be seduced by the NYT vampires and he will pay the price. He hasn't been conservative, really, for a long time. He just tries to play one on TV.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Brooks is just another

Brooks is just another milquetoast RINO.

Lord knows there are plenty of them.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Funny

Funny that liberals keep saying this about the people who happen to be THE MOST POPULAR CONSERVATIVES ON THE AIR.  (Okay well Cheney doesn't have a show but he should consider that.)

What's wrecking the GOP are the "rinos" - Republicans in name only.

If more GOP politicians would tune into Beck, Limbaugh and listen to Cheney's speeches, maybe they could reap some of that same popularity.

HERE'S THE DEAL...

 Cynic,

 The left will ALWAYS tell you who they fear most, ALWAYS. All you need to do is look & see who is under attack & follow them. Sarah Palin, El-Rushbo, Beck, Hannity, FoxNews, & there are others. They always try to destroy what they feel threatens them, it's the Alinsky way, it's the Chicago way, & it's the Democratic Party way.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Dany, you have nailed it.

Dany, you have nailed it. The left wears its fears on the sleeve for all to see. Plain and obvious..

The thing that's always struck me is that they all bellow about the same conservative person or issue at the same time, using the same phrases, with the same level of indignation.

They are clearly getting their instructions  from the same script.  One week its Beck, another Palin, another Rush etc. Really interesting to watch.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Somebody Hand Brooks The Obvious

Ghost Sighting! Bob Michel - Voice from GOP's losing past UPDATED!  By Mark Tapscott
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Bob-Michel---Voice-from-GOPs-losing-past--65700162.html
Shut Up by Erick Erickson http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/22/shut-up/

NO MORE RINO's!!

The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter “The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,”  “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.” 

 Two more left-wing

 Two more left-wing appeasement morons, they don't understand that Americans are tired of their bogus republican BS. We are conservatives not republicans.

PURGE THE PARTY...

This is why I want a GOP bloodbath(politically speaking), I want the moderate RINO's out. They all got what they wanted with McCain, & he got his butt kicked. You can never be left enough as a Republican for the MSM, they loved McCain, untill he got the nomination. Colin Powell is an example of this, he wanted a guy like McCain, but he voted Obama anyway.

There needs to be a party purge, get rid of the counrty club blue bloods, & restock the GOP with actual conservatives. Bleed the party out, & starting in NY23 by electing Doug Hoffman instead of Dede Scozzafava would be a good start. Also, Chris Christie beating John Corzine would be nice, & it would be very good to see Marco Rubio get the nomination in the Florida GOP Senate race over Charlie Crist. Crist is the guy who really put McCain over the top for the GOP nomination last time out, so I hope the fine people of Florida will dump his @$$.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

The Message Here

The message here is that Republicans need to be more like Democrats.  Well, that worked out really well in 2006 and 2008, didn't it?

It worked well with Dole

It worked well with Dole in '96 too, right ?  ;-) 

 

"President Obama is learning on the job and it shows."  --Boris Epshteyn

Behold the dying gasps of

Behold the dying gasps of the old liberal power structure, where liberals still imagine, like Baghdad Bob, that there are no tanks surrounding the palace. It's hilarious.  

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Random-jumbled-thoughts.blogspot.com

I would not say they wreck the party

....however they are very divisive figures. Some  republican folks love Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and Levine and some don't.

Folks here keep saying that the GOP nominated McCain because he is a moderate, but his strong stance against drugs gives off warning signals about government meddling in personal freedoms.

I am convinced that if the GOP ran a strong conservative that will not get involved in peoples personal business like Teri Shiavo, they have good chance of taking the Presidency in 2012

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

"Whats wrong with a little sodomy between friends?"~Sergeant ROCK to Mr Shy.

 

Sir...

Why do you feel the need to personally attack people who post here.

We are for the time being allowed to state our opinions freely. We don't always agree, however stooping down to a childish jab is silly.

If you want your opinion to be taken seriously please stop with the vile comments.

These are serious issues facing our country, so it would be great if you could contribute thoughtful critisicm. We all want the best for this country and out of differing opinions comes great ideas.

Thanks for your time.

 

Judgement Day Nov, 2 - 2010 - Glenn Beck speaks for me!!!

Oh I'm sorry sir.

I really didn't mean to personally attack people that post here. If you would be so kind sir, can you tell me where I personally attacked anyone? I thought my post was pretty clear about what kind of conservative would have good chance of winning.

Also If you are referring to my tagline, both comments are actually quotes from the people who said it, I can find them if you wish, but I have a feeling you know that.

I wait with joyous anticipation for you to back up you points sir, You are also welcome for my time.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

"Whats wrong with a little sodomy between friends?"~Sergeant ROCK to Mr Shy.

 

Shawn - You picking on

Shawn - You picking on another Newbie ?  ;-)

Moi?

I just appreciate this nice fellow pointing out how I viciously attack others posters all the time with vile comments.

I'm sure if he uses the NB search engine he will find countless times of this happening ;-)

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

"Whats wrong with a little sodomy between friends?"~Sergeant ROCK to Mr Shy.

 

Shawn, What is most

Shawn,

What is most annoying are your constant attacks on Sarah Palin and your almost religious defense of Wayne Allyn Moonbat . . . oh wait . . . 

never mind.  ;-)

shawn

I was going to reply to that effect but didn't. Didn't see you attacking anyone personaly so this gentleman is apparently sensitive to something but I couldn't figure out what.

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

ahusser

I can only speculate that he does not want me to use  the words Sergeant Rock , Mr Shy and sodomy in the same post? Or perhaps it was the vicous comment I made about McCain regarding his drug postion????? Perhaps he can shed some light on my limited liberal mind when he has a chance.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

"Whats wrong with a little sodomy between friends?"~Sergeant ROCK to Mr Shy.

 

I could say something here,

But I won't. :)

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Lol Yeah right Restless

You just aching to get into a fight with me after all the vicious vile comments I made to you in the past right? :-)  Thank you my friend for your post below. However the last thing I want is for the newb to get banned and I am honestly really curious what he thinks I said that was so bad.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

"Whats wrong with a little sodomy between friends?"~Sergeant ROCK to Mr Shy.

 

Well Shawn, it seem the noob has weighed in below.

This should be good. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

I apologize...

if I offended you. Yes, the tag line offended me. It is well within your right to say what you will, however it my right to make known my distaste for it. Hence free speech.

I was not condesending to you, I was just making my point known. I did not insult you personally I took issue with the tag line. If someone else said, which no I did not know that then so be it.

No two people will agree on any matter completely, this is a good thing. So whether I agree or not I will stand by your right to say them. Since I am a Christian there are things that should not be said in a forum where everyone would like a chance to read things that are of a graphic sexual nature, I happen to find anal rape abhorrent and the way that you posted it, whether some one else said it or not. It appeared as though you were attacking these other posters personally.

Therefore I humbly made this statement in defense of a perfect stranger, as I would do the same thing for you. And when I use the word sir, it is out of respect not contempt.

I have served in the U.S. military and have been a police officer so I am willing to protect strangers no matter what.

I do apologize if I came across as condescending that was not my intention. Nor do I want to go back and forth on this, I just think that our country has enough problems without we the people treating each other with such a lack of regard that we will not even honor each other with the respect of public decency.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I would like for my Grandmother to be able to engage at least on this site. Which is considered to be of a more conservative base.

So in closing I apologize if I offended you. I would humbly ask that you forgive me if I did offend you.

 

Judgement Day Nov, 2 - 2010 - Glenn Beck speaks for me!!!

That's fine Noob,

And I know I'm not Shawn, but I would think the (")'s would be a dead giveaway. 

And if you grandmother wants to engage, I'm sure she's not nearly as easily offended as you may believe. If she's tough enough to be a conservative, she can hang here easily. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

apology accepted nan

I don't know how you get anal rape from my sodomy quote, but If it offends you so much, it is now gone. I hope I am allowed to keep the "kindred spirits" comment.

Thank you for your service to our country

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

 

Nan

And now that Shawn has spoken, I would like to say Welcome to Newsbusters.

You're good people Nan.

shawn

One tagline down, one to go. 

Funny, I was going to ask when you thought you might start fresh with a new one anyway. I do think they both sort of ran their course.

 

Hi Shy

It depends on what you say in the future. Your like the gift that keeps giving :-)

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

edit

how about this one?

"Sarge is real. I'm with Sarge. We need more Sarges"~Mr Shy

Shy,

Seeing as Shawn's remaining tagline deals with your ass kissing, I'm sure it will be relevant as long as you are here. 

(BTW, that wasn't too "soft" for you was it?)

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Lol Restless

He would like nothing else for a pile on to happen to me right now, but apparently I'm not the only one these days than can see through shy.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Shawn,

I'm going to leave it alone. I'll PM you, maybe. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

?????  

?????

 

Shy,

It is explained here for you.

You are in error if you think that my ONE disagreement, with ONE poster, ONE time makes me soft on trolls.

And don't think I haven't been privy to the little "digs" you've posted since.  

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Rest1

I see. You are holding a grudge over that one dig from two months ago, when it even looks like we sort of squashed it in the posts that followed that same night.

Okay, then what's going on here (your sudden attack just now, above) must have to do with these other perceived "digs" since. I have been dig'ing someone, yes, but it has not been you. Not at all. So, you can "rest" easy. :)

I certainly hope this is the first and last time I log on to find Rest1 calling me an a-kisser out of the blue. 

 

Shy,

Seeing as the one you are apparently digging at, and I shared the same position on that thread, you can see where I might think I was included in subsequent "digs". 

And whether they were directed at me or not, I always "rest" easy. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Rest1

No, never had you in mind in those digs. Those digs have been designed solely for one person.

 

~Aww

I'm late to the party, how disappointing.

I love watching Shy admit he's been carrying on a vendetta against a woman. And vehemently denying any aggression towards a man...

Hold on, I've got some chicken feed in the garage for ya.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

 

sodomiteapologist228

Also If you are referring to my tagline, both comments are actually quotes from the people who said it..

The second of which was to mock your assertion that the amount sodomy you can engage in some how defines freedom. I can find that for you, if you like?

How typically liberal of you to use it out of context? Imagine my surprise...

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Oh my goodness its Corporal Klinger

So good to see you, its been a while soldier, been busy cleaning latrines caus your being a poopyhead?  I told the new poster I don't like to personally attack people, but I should have put in a disclamer, except for silly poopyheads like SR.  You have a lovely day ;-)  

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

sodomiteapologist228

What are you, like 12 years old?

Nice dodge and parry there, butt-nut. Do continue on with your adolescent behavior.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Dodge and Parry?

Sorry I thought I was expressing how much you have been missed on this site and latrine duty might have been one of them.

As for my dodge, you said your comment right after the kindred spirit thing. Yes I defend sodomy, but you said it right after Mr. Shy's comment, so I just assumed you wanted to pefor.....You want what? never mind. I don't like to judge. You take care now.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

sodomiteapologist228

You're such a child. A childish liberal to be more precise. You liberals are such phonies too. You champion things like sodomy and other deviant behavior as 'normal' and to be embraced as such while at the same use those behaviors to describe people you hate as an insult. What a hypocrite.

Maybe you and your fan club here can start a thread where you continue your obsession with me there and let the adults post on the issues elsewhere?

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

Hate you?

Why would I hate someone that can give me hours of endless entertainment?  Even though It does  not appeal to me, I like to defend personal freedoms and sodomy is one of them. Hey i'm sorry I just thought you might want to experiment with your kindred spirit, and get all cozy with some candles a fire and wood log cabin "emphasize on the wood log"

"Maybe you and your fan club here can start a thread where you continue your obsession with me there and let the adults post on the issues elsewhere? "

Oh my goodness, you might be a Sergeant, but you have and Admiral's ego. Even though I have missed you dearly, I really could not care less about where you post, If you look at our history I woulds say it is 95 percent you responding to my post, not the other way around.

Ahh now look at you did Poopyhead, I might be late for work. Your post are far too amusing :-)

 

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

In all seriousness Sarge

I tried to have a rational debate with you, then you started with the namecalling and the discussion just went south. If want to have a debate minus the hissy fits,  for something I disagree with and I am there, name the time and place,  except for when I am not a home....deal? except. I would love for you to back up the fact that you claim to use only logic and facts.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Nan, you're kidding right?

Please tell me you're kidding. Shawn is the hallmark of good posters here. While he is sometimes misguided in his ideals, (just a little dig shawn :)), he certainly doesn't attack other posters personally.

He is indeed a rabid dog on the few occasions he is right, (see above shawn :)), he is probably one of the better posters here. You will get honest answers from him, and honest debate. 

Please, if you are going to post here, don't make things up. You will be called out, ridiculed, and ultimately banned. Which may be a good thing. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

"he certainly doesn't attack other posters personally."

 "
he certainly doesn't attack other posters personally."

Hi Restless, that is actually not true, you gotta fight back if you are attacked, conservative principles to defend yourself if attacked right? ;-)

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Shawn.

What folks here keep saying that about McCain's nomination? A moderate? 

Also, what personal business of Teri Shaivos' did the government involve itself with? Did they deny her personal freedom to use drugs or anything?

 

Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.

I'm not going to argue about the ethics here Karma

We can go back and forth for hours on this one. My main point is the fact that the majority of people did not like the fact that government interfered in the court ruling and it backfired on the GOP in 06.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Shawn???

You are certainly not saying that the Schaivo case turned the mid-terms are you? I highly doubt it registered on most people's radar. 

I blame that one almost entirely on Bush's non war spending, and fatigue on the "I want results yesterday" mentality of the populace. Iraq had become difficult, (this was before the surge), and conservatives had not much reason to vote. The same happened in '08. I doubt Schiavo had much to do with the 0's election either. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Restless

Certainly Shiavo was only a small part of it, but it scared many American people that the party for freedom,  likes to mess with court rulings.

The GOP cleaned house in 04 because they were united and that confidence came through to the millions of independent voters. Those voters were very dissapointed with the results the following two years. Looks like the GOP is set for a big comeback, but if the economy picks up in the middle of next year, the GOP ought to have a better strategy than just waiting for the dems to mess things up.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Here we go again.

McCain, Graham, Snowe, and Alexander have been rejected by the people  BECAUSE the democrats like them. GET THE PICTURE.

David Brooks ~ Something You Might Wanna Scrape Off Your Shoe

Clowns like this guy have ruined our party.  If I wanted to vote for socialist baby killers I would just vote for the demonrats.  No more RINO's!  I will not vote for another RINO even if it means another 50 years of wandering the desert for the GOP.  Conservatism or nothing.  There is already an alternative to it we don't need another.  I am also done sending money to the NRSC and the RNC.  With these RINO's endorsing the likes of Charlie Crist and this Scozzafava, makes me want to puke.  You want to send a message to clowns like David Brooks, send money to the conservatives in these races.  Let the republican establishment organizations dry up and blow away.  Show them how irrelevant they are by helping to defeat the candidates they support!   

Winston Churchill ~ "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."

I am now a member of the DTS party.  Declined To State, meaning an independent.  I didn't want the GOP to count me amongst their loyal members!  Each candidate I vote for will have to earn my vote and financial support with their conservative actions. 

 

Well said...

There is nothing I could add to that. I too have become an independent. Rino's blow... 

 

Judgement Day Nov, 2 - 2010 - Glenn Beck speaks for me!!!

Welcome to the reason why I

Welcome to the reason why I declared Independent when I registered to vote in 2003. (yes, I know I'm a youngen). While I'm not quite as conservative as I wish the Republican party was, I'm tired of both options resulting in the government robbing me of more time, property, and most importantly, freedom. I didn't vote for Bush, but against Kerry. I didn't vote for McCain, but against rapid succession to communism. I might have picked the candidates who have lost in each of the 3 election cycles I've been able to participate in, but a vote for the lesser evil in blue-turning VA is as much as I can do.

That Dude

Your are then amongst friends here. The most infuriating thing here is that neither party is representing OUR interests. Bush was a failure as far as spending goes, but we DEFINITELY would not have wanted gore as CIC after 9-11. 

We are all tired of "the lesser of two evils" choices. Welcome home. 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

David Brooks is

David Brooks is for PBS and the Liberal Media what Olympia Snowe is for Harry Reid’s Senate.

- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.

- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.

If they are ruining the GOP,

If they are ruining the GOP, then explain how Cheney/Bush were elected for 8 years, why Limbaugh has a higher success rate on the radio than anybody in history, and why Beck's ratings on television beat any liberal.

 P.S. McCain is a joke and should just retire and move far far away.  Nobody voted for him, they only voted against Obama. 

While I dislike McCain, we

While I dislike McCain, we do have to give him credit where credit is due: (in order of importance)

  1. His honorable military service
  2. His introducing of Sarah Palin to the United States

 

Of course, now it's time for him to retire.

come on, really?

Ok, so maybe those guys are "wrecking" the GOP as charged.

It PALES in comparison to the Usurper in Chief who is systematically wrecking the country, both by his actions and those in Congress, both R's and D's.  DUH!

-Jon

If being a Republican

If being a Republican requires tolerating and sharing the party platform with spineless pantywaists like David Brooks, I'd sooner leave the party and let those losers run it into the ground.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

    Hi!

Uh...don't otherwise we get BO again! Are you nuts?

 

 

Well MM

I thought the GOP was not going to cave to those darn useless moderates ;-)

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

It's not over Shawn...

It's not over Shawn... those darn useless moderates might not have jobs in a couple of years. And good choice of words; moderates are useless! 

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

I never said it was over MM

In fact I believe the GOP will take back many seats next year. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of seats that have to turn red take back power.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Will you help the GOP Shawn?

I think you have been converted to conservatism(but not GOP). Just remember when you vote we have a two party system for the most part. If you like the Obama path vote Obama if not reach down and grab the only balls you may have left and take a leap of faith the the GOP will come back to the party you despise!

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

Depends MM

I will have to wait to see what is best for the country when the elections are. I did  not decide to vote for McCain until two weeks before the election. It was not a easy decision since I was not a big Bush fan. To be honest if Mitt Romney ended up being the nominee I probably would have voted for Obama.

edit

Just like my post way above, If the GOP comes out with a nominee that is a true conservative that truly knows the meaning of freedom, that nominee will have my vote

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Good Lord!

What's your problem with Romney...Universal Health Care? 

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

Remember MM

We are talking about before the election and I did not know how bad Obama would be for the country.

Mitt Romney struck me as someone that was not very honest, he said he was a hunter his whole life and that was not true and he only changed his postition on abortion to got votes.

I also do not like postion on marijuana

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Position on Mary Jane

Yes Shawn, we know you would rather everyone be stoned and all days be weekends, but really, what is so bad about Romney, besides the fact he's not Palin? 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Restless

He just struck me as someone as someone very dishonest. Hindsight is 20/20 and If I knew then what I know now, I might have voted for him, I'm just being honest, I thought he reminded me of a snake oil salesman.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Shawn,

Fair enough. I doubt you are the only one that feels that way. 

But, to say that he would swing you to the 0...??? Do you really think he would be worse?

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Restless

I don't know if Romney would have been better or worse. Like I said many times, individual freedoms mean alot to me, but I am not sure if  losing those individual freedoms are worse than the price we paid for the past 9 months.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Okay,

What individual freedoms do you think the big, bad, Romney monster would have taken from you? 

BTW, does Miles Austin prove to be a contributor on the lacking Cowboys receiver corps, or was his last game a one time thing? 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Restless

Restless except for pot, I am not sure, but the main thing is I did not trust him and still don't. From what I seen Miles has what it takes to be top wide receiver in the future.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

shawn

"Hindsight is 20/20 and If I knew then what I know now, I might have voted for him..."

And shawn still can only manage to muster the words "might have". This after all that's been revealed since Januray 2009 of THE snake oil salemen ("men", not just "man" -- Obama and Plugs, lest we forget that sad, phony beltway politician sack who's a heartbeat away from the presidency) of snake oil salesmen.

 

Well Shy

At least you are replying directly to me instead of someone else encouraging a pile on :-)

I am not a Romney fan at all, same with I am not a Bush fan at all. I could have lived with McCain, just how I could have lived with Huckabee. I also liked Guiliani and Fred Thompson.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

shawn

You completely missed what I was getting at. You seem to think Obama (and Biden) are not perfect, but not all that bad.

 

As Usual Shy....

you are putting words in my mouth. I think Obama and Biden have been terrible for our country and I have said so many times. Nice try though :-)

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

My new tagline.

 

 

shawn228: "He just struck me as someone as someone very dishonest. Hindsight is 20/20 and If I knew then what I know now, I might have voted for him, I'm just being honest, I thought he reminded me of a snake oil salesman."

Obama?

Nope. Sorry.

LIke I said JWF

I might have voted for him, I am not a Romney fan at all and we don't know if he would have done any better of  a job.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

I thought you said you would have voted for Obama over Romney

Yep you did - To be honest if Mitt Romney ended up being the nominee I probably would have voted for Obama.

Your right JWF

However, I was talking about what you put in your quotation marks. I did not like Romney then, and I don't like him now. Sorry.

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If it makes you happy, I would say if Romney was the nominee, most likely I would have voted for Obama

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

Ah. Well we disagree.

100% of JWF voters would vote for Palin over Obama.May 2, 2009 - 01:22 ET by JWF

 100% of JWF voters would vote for Reagan's corpse over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for any one of the Farscape ladies over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for Starsky or Hutch over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for Deputy Dawg over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for an unnamed penguin over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for a prime cut of beef over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for a marble or similar small mineral sphere over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for a Santa shaped chocolate over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for Windows 95 over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for the color greeen over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for 867-5309 over Obama.

100% of JWF voters would vote for the John Wayne movie They were expendable over Obama.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

I dont know Shawn

 he only changed his postition on abortion to got votes.

 You really think it got him votes in Mass? Makes you wonder why it is so highly coveted, and distributed by our Gov so freely then.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

GC

I feel he changed his position when he decided he would have a good chance on becoming POTUS

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

→ Shawn

I think what you mean to say is " I feel he changed back to his (pro life) position when he decided he would have a good chance on becoming POTUS"

He also played a good shell game, claiming the "fees" he increased were not "tax increases".

Romney's got a lot of straight living to do before I'll accept his word as truth.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Agreed CA

I don't like Romney at all. I would have voted for McCain, Huckabee, Guiliani and Fred Thompson over Obama, but I am not so sure about Romney. Surprised so many folks are nitpicking the fact about something I might have done.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

→ Shawn

I think you're right on the money about Romney.

There was the hypocrisy of the good bishop pulling over to the side of the road and weeping when he heard African Americans would be allowed to be priests in his religion.

All his decisions seemed to political and at odds with his core beliefs.

I don't know where he could have risen to the level of Governor without selling his beliefs, but he paid for it in the campaign. 

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

CA

or how about how he told everyone how he saw this father marching with Martin Luther King. When confronted about it being pretty much geographically impossible Romney said "it was a figure of speech" Really honest fellow.

"I think we're kindred spirits."~Mr Shy to Sergeant ROCK

→ Right Shawn

Ranks right on down there with Obama's birth being precipitated by JFK bringing his shiftless Kenyan daddy to America.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Being a Republican

Fitz:

I am with you, and at the same time share Jons' concerns mentioned in the immediate prior post to yours.

A good example of the dilemma we face is well represented in the current NYC 23rd Congressional District Race.

P.J. Gladnick, in an NB thread last evening at 20:01, posted up some good points reference the skewed poll(ing) numbers skittering around, but I think the dilemma we face is best observed through the Dramatis Personae.

Democrat Bill Owens.

Republican Dede Scozzafava.

Conservative Candidate Doug Hoffman.

For those of us who are very down on Dems and Libs, whether we hail as Conservatives or Indies; Bill Owens is a no vote.

Dede Scozzafava is being supported by Newt the Gingrich who seems to have settled very comfortably into his RINO skin.  That fact alone would push me toward a no vote for Dede S.

She appears to be such a Liberal Lite that she does'nt come anywhere close to even resembling a RINO.

So, a Liberal Lite, draped in Demo togs, inside a RINO skin, should earn a no vote.

Then comes the choice that would seem to be what we want, Doug Hoffman, a Conservative.

But can he pull enough votes to even get a reasonable distance out from the starting gate.

While that is unknown at this time, he does seem to be sucking at the teat behind the next to last one.

Democrat, Republican, and Other.

Remember H. Ross Perot, with limitless funds, a limited recognition factor despite limitless funds, but absolute unlimited paranoia not held in check by limited recognition factor? 

Guy was enough of a disaster to pull votes from a candidate I much preferred, and allow for an electee I really did'nt like.

This type of possibility means Jon has a good point--- do we stick with what we think we can vote in just so long as it ain't an Obama like Liberal/Dem, even if a RINO, because even at worst it is marginally better than the choice of a Dem would be?

Or, do we say no more RINOs, ever again, cuz they be in reality Liberal Lites, which deep down we do not want;  or do we bite the bullet and say lets go for RINOs because we stand a better chance of getting in with them than we do with a straight Conservative third party option?

Hmmmmm?

MD

"I may not agree with what your bumper sticker says, but I will defend to the death your right to stick it." (Unknown)

 

" She [Dede

" She [Dede Scozzafava] appears to be such a Liberal Lite that she does'nt come anywhere close to even resembling a RINO."

Matthew, my friend, are you serious? Liberal LITE?  She is an anti-gun, abortion on demand, Margaret Sanger Award winning, gay marriage favoring, card check favoring candidate who is endorsed by the NEA, ACORN, and the Working Families Party.  If she were any further to the left, she would be sitting in her Unlce Joe Stalin's lap!  She is a hard-core lefty, not a "moderate" or a liberal lite.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Dede definitely Liberally Left of her Uncle Joe

MikeB:

You are absolutely correct.

I would try and weasel out and say I did'nt mean to put "Lite" after Liberal, but I managed to screw up and do it twice.

Despite doing it twice, it was'nt with malice aforethought.

 My tongue got in the way of my eyeteeth and I could'nt see what I was saying.

First thing tomorrow I will be at the Dr.'s office to have a plexi-glass navel installed.

That way I can still see where I'm going when my head is up my a$$.

Thanks for the catch.

MD

 "I may not agree with what your bumper sticker says, but I will defend to the death your right to stick it." (Unknown)

 

Here's the thing: if

Here's the thing: if Hoffman wins, we've got a real conservative replacing a RINO (McHugh was one of the treasonous 8 "Republicans" who voted for cap-and-trade).  If Owens wins, Hoffman or another conservative will be running against a very vulnerable 1st term Democrat in 2010, when Republicans are expected to pick up seats...potentially, we're only stuck with Owens for a year and the Democrats already have a 70-seat advantage...how big a difference would 71 make for one year?  If Scozzafava wins, she will be the Republican nominee in 2010 and NY23 is left with the same awful choice next year that they have this year.  In that case, we're stuck with Scozzafava until she quits or gets defeated by a Democrat.  As I see it, the possible results are as follows: Hoffman=good, Owens=bad, but not terrible, Scozzafava=unacceptable. 

If the Republican Party wants to reverse the negative trend and start to emerge from bankruptcy, it has to once-and-for-all come to terms with what it stands for ideologically.  No longer can we tolerate candidates who support economy-killing, socialist positions like Card Check, cap-and-trade, amnesty for illegal immigration, single payer health care.  If you're in bed with the "environmentalists", the unions (especially the public sector ones), the trial lawyers or other left-wing interest groups, you're not a Republican.  If you vote with the Democrats, become a Democrat (of course, you know I mean "you" as a generic term)...or if you insist on polluting the Republican Party, don't whine when those who don't want to inherit your ideology as the price of your membership choose instead to leave the Party or vote for a 3rd Party candidate like Doug Hoffman.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Here's the thing--

Fitz:

No disagreement here.

MD

"I may not agree with what your bumper sticker says, but I will defend to the death your right to stick it." (Unknown)

md... I heard good ol'

md...

I heard good ol' Newtie on the Wa. Journal this morning...he had to make sure and include the NRA was supporting the leftist Deedee as well...it made me furious at both of them...this is not the first time or second that I have been angry with the NRA supporting RINOs in the past.

We are NRA members....I no longer am...I am going to start contributing top Gun Owners of America (Larry Pratt, I think it is who started this group)...I've said I was going to do so in the past and keep forgetting....in about a month or less, I am going to become a member.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Newtie

bt:

I swear,  "birds of a feather"--- !

NRA has always been a part of my lifeblood, and I have had this odd feeling of late that something, somehow, is getting thinned out--?

Gonna check out G-O-o-A, myself.

Cheers.

MD

"I may not agree with what your bumper sticker says, but I will defend to the death your right to stick it." (Unknown)

Riiiiight. The Rocky

Riiiiight.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

I always considered myself a republican,,

 but a conservative/republican...now I hate the word republican. Means nothing now.   So I'm a conservative/?   what?

try this for size

Conservative/American?

-Jon

Brooksback Mountain all but

Brooksback Mountain all but admitted to his "mancrush" on Obama.

What a sorry pseudo-intellectual this conserfauxtive Canadian (BrooksBack Mountie always gets his man)  truly is.

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB