Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales assembled all of his excuses for David Letterman’s sexual relations with staff subordinates in Tuesday’s paper. The website headline: "A Clown, Not a Congressman: David Letterman is going to be lumped in with other misbehaving celebrities. Is that fair?" Shales feels that comedians who makes jokes about sexually reckless politicians like Bill Clinton should not be mocked when they act exactly like Clinton. He began:
One of many sad things about recent stanzas in the ballad of David Letterman is that now, in all media, Dave will be lumped in with other sexually misbehaving celebrities, even though he stands head and heart above most of them.
The echoes of Roman Polanski swirl in the Shales piece – the keenest comic minds should be allowed to think with their traveling pants. Shales can’t grasp the elementary-school rules of mockery: a fat kid can’t exactly laugh at another kid for being fat. An old man having sex with much younger women in the office can’t make fun of Bill Clinton very effectively, either. But Shales think clowns and jesters should be free of the charge of hypocrisy:
Some of those who've seen the current Letterman mess as a golden opportunity to trash and attack him claim that it's fit retribution for the jokes Dave has made about naughty-boy politicians and their sexual high jinks. Letterman can continue to lampoon sleazy political figures with no real fear of hypocrisy, however, because a TV comic is not an elected official responsible for the well-being of the nation or its citizenry.
Letterman's monologue is not a nightly sermon full of moral lessons preached to politicians or the public. His stance is that of the proverbial court jester, a clownish figure with a mandate to prick the powerful -- not set himself up as a model of virtue.
Did Shales – and his editors – really miss the idea that "prick the powerful" is probably not a good choice of words at this juncture? Shales made it clear that Letterman was more victimized than victimizer in the current scandal. Shales started swinging at Sen. Larry Craig (not by name) as a much greater subject for scrutiny, since his anti-gay attitudes inflict "pain, harm, and injustice" on the populace:
Could Letterman's misbehavior be compared to the disreputable legislator who ranted and railed against homosexuals, and worked to deny them the right to marry and other civil privileges -- and then was caught soliciting anonymous sex in an airport men's room? That's socially destructive misconduct with the potential for inflicting harm, pain and injustice on a portion of society and on society at large. Letterman's misadventures contain potential harm, pain and injustice only for the individuals specifically involved -- and since there have been no allegations about the sex having been nonconsensual or any partners having been underage, it's all unpleasant but hardly some sort of threat to the public welfare.
And although Letterman has many fans among American women in presumably widely divergent age groups, he is hardly known as a sexual bandido. When I interviewed him for Playboy more than a decade ago, I asked him to talk about his "first time." He balked, claiming modesty, and feigned shock at the question. "All right then, how about talking about your second time?" Said Letterman: "There hasn't been a second time."
Is Shales really going to take an obvious joke and use it to suggest that Letterman hasn’t had sex twice in his first 50 years of life? It’s quite clear that while Letterman was "hardly known as a sexual bandido," everything that’s coming out in the papers now suggests that image was merely an image.
Shales ended speaking for "we, the long-suffering admirers of Dave" who want their "Public Dave" to be unsullied by whatever sexual recklessness Private Dave is exhibiting around the office. Artists should not be morally judged:
Over a century of movie and TV comedy, male comics, however fabled their off-screen sexual exploits, have traditionally been asexual figures on the screen. Comic heroes may have longed for and even lusted after desirable leading ladies, but sexually they were all bark and no bite. What Letterman has done, or allowed to happen, is foul up our perception of him by allowing his private self to share air time with Public Dave, the one we know and love -- the wisecracking, self-deprecating, overgrown adolescent who has one of the keenest, cleverest and funniest comic minds of all time.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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We're at the bottom
October 6, 2009 - 06:23 ET by ThisnThatThis is what happens when you have no moral compass whatsoever. There are no right or wrong guidelines. Your moral standing in the community is based upon your political leanings and celebrity status. Nothing else matters. Do what you want to do unto others. Rape? Fine, if you're a film maker. Sex with people who work for you? Not a problem if you're a liberal commedian. Sex in the oval office? Sure, if you're a dim. Feeling like a little homo sex with underage boys? Then sign up to be one of Obama's czars.
It's way past time to start rounding these people up and taking our country back.
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"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song
Well, they are consistent.....
October 6, 2009 - 07:07 ET by motherbeltOne of many sad things about recent stanzas in the ballad of David
Letterman is that now, in all media, Dave will be lumped in with other
sexually misbehaving celebrities, even though he stands head and heart
above most of them.
You could change "David Letterman" to "Bill Clinton" and "celebrities" to "politicians" without even a hiccup.
He should be fired like any
October 6, 2009 - 08:09 ET by kgHe should be fired like any other American who has sex with their subordinates.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
God Bless America and Amen to that, ThisandThat
October 6, 2009 - 12:39 ET by Lord ErondWhen you have no rudder, where else do you expect to go but no where?
"Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge."
Timothy 6:20
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 6, 2009 - 15:09 ET by USA4freedomAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Editorial justice
October 6, 2009 - 06:26 ET by BKeyserShales left out three words. I think this is what he meant:
His stance is that of the proverbial court jester, a clownish figure
with a mandate to [be the] prick [of] the powerful -- not set himself up as a model
of virtue.
But I digest...
Personally, I don't think Letterman deserves the media beatdown for his actions (not as though he's gotten it, or likely would have) but does deserve to be the butt of jokes. He's not a politician taking campaign money all the while misleading his contributers- he just plays one on TV. His punishment will come in the form of ratings.
Letterman attempts to
October 6, 2009 - 06:30 ET by Tom PaineLetterman attempts to operate under the same rules as Jon (Liebowitz) Stewart. He wants to have it both ways by taking cheap shots at everyone else under the guise of serious journalism, but when he is called on the same behavior himself he acts surprised by the uproar because he is, after all, “just a comedian”. Liberal hypocrites like Letterman need to be called out at every opportunity if only so we can watch their supporters contort themselves into a rectal-cranial inversion making excuses for them.
Unlike Mark Sanford, Bill
October 6, 2009 - 09:01 ET by JesseJacksonIVUnlike Mark Sanford, Bill Clinton, Spitzer, Craig, Dave wasn't married when he had his relationships.
Two single, adults having a sexual relationship isn't that big of a deal. Even if it's employer/employee, unless the women felt pressured. So far that isn't the case
Sorry JJ - under the sexual
October 7, 2009 - 06:23 ET by Tom PaineSorry JJ - under the sexual harassment rules established by liberals the woman doesn’t even have to feel pressured. The mere fact that the man is the boss creates a de facto case of sexual harassment. Let’s treat Letterman the same way any man running a business would be treated – the allegation equals conviction and he should be ousted.
Letterman could have
October 6, 2009 - 06:32 ET by nadadhimmiLetterman could have garnered even more support from Liberal loonies by drugging and anally raping the women too. And if they were only 13 yrs old, my, that would have really been super. He would then be in Polanski's league, as of now, he's just a horndog and not a pervert so he's relegated to the second rank of the Hollywood Hall of Fame.
"Letterman could have
October 6, 2009 - 17:17 ET by stratmanWe don't know that he didn't.
Time will tell.
Shales is so predictable.
October 6, 2009 - 06:35 ET by NewsbusterbrownShales is so predictable. If Letterman had murdered someone, he would find a way to excuse it (after all, Dave is not a congressman!)
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Newsbusters....Sounds
October 6, 2009 - 08:40 ET by celatorNewsbusters....Sounds like he's a tad envious, as well.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
I guess
October 6, 2009 - 06:53 ET by oldmanateeSara Palin was smart in not letting her daughters go on his show.
Uh hoh my god....
October 6, 2009 - 06:54 ET by superconWhat a pathetic display of double standards. Mr. Shales needs to do a better job of hiding his man crush. Poor Dave Letterman. The multi-millionaire celebrity guy who for a brief moment had the spotlight of scrutiny,judgement and ridicule shined on him. Oh the horror.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
Anyone? Anyone? Buhler?
October 6, 2009 - 06:58 ET by AJBWhere are the women and their outrage at this? Is there any, or is their equal rights movement dead?? I thought the whole point of the equal rights movement was to eliminate powerful men with lots of money taking advantage of them (whether consensual or not) in the workplace.
Apparently, to get a job with Dave, you have to have breasts and be willing to put out. Very noble.
So it's up to the women to take a stand here. What say you? Or, are you just looking to get a little "Dave" at work?
I'd say most women here
October 6, 2009 - 07:38 ET by Radical1979I'd say most women here think Dave is a little rodent, dirty old man, who we would kick in the pants if he tried anything. Obviously, after his Sarah Palin attacks, liberal women don't mind mysogeny, as long as the man is politically correct.
If it's consensual, then
October 6, 2009 - 09:06 ET by JesseJacksonIVIf it's consensual, then Dave wasn't really taking advantage of the women. The women haven't felt so, since they have filed any charges or tried to sue him and they would know the situation better than anyone here
Again, it's not something
October 6, 2009 - 10:02 ET by Radical1979Again, it's not something women are dying to yell from the rooftops. I can only imagine the mockery Dave would make of them had they gone public without proof.
You can go back to your cave now.
Clowns and Congressmen
October 6, 2009 - 07:07 ET by svh83"A Clown, Not a Congressman:
As if the two were mutually exclusive.
"I think you'd better call John, 'cause it don't look they're here to deliver...the mail". -NY
I thought the link would be for Al Franken
October 6, 2009 - 12:12 ET by needle- Relying upon the State Run Media for your information is like relying upon an embezzler for your portfolio management.
- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
Missing?
October 6, 2009 - 07:13 ET by okiehawk44I keep missing in the reports of Letterman's activities that these women worked for him in an employment situation where he was the supervisor and held sway on hiring, firing, promotions, assignments, compensation, etc.
Letterman's actions are the essence of the usual claims of sexual harassment in the workplace.
So NOW and other feminists, the questions is: You have shaped the rules but you choose not to apply them in this highly visible situation? Why not? You are again mute when the offender is, like Bill Clinton, liked by you.
I can only hope that you are treated in the same way by the car lot supervisor where you work away from the limelight. Shameful!
As much as I despise her,
October 6, 2009 - 07:36 ET by Radical1979As much as I despise her, Joy Behar keeps bringing up this exact point. With the addition of how the women on his staff feel who don't sleep with him and see those he's sleeping with get air time while they do not.
Of course her rant keeps going back to that there are no women in late night hosting t.v. shows. Maybe none are good enough to make it in late night.
The producer of his show,
October 6, 2009 - 09:31 ET by JesseJacksonIVThe producer of his show, who gets airtime on many shows, is a lesbian. Chances are she has never slept with Dave
So that's one woman who was
October 6, 2009 - 10:01 ET by Radical1979So that's one woman who was safe...
Finally
October 6, 2009 - 08:32 ET by AJBWell, obviously the women's movement is dead as exemplified by this situation and even back to the 2008 race where the libs gladly and gleefully threw Hillary and Sarah under the bus and repeatedly backed it up and rolled them again.
Now get back to the kitchen and BAKE ME SOME PIE!
Okie...Letterman's actions
October 6, 2009 - 08:41 ET by celatorOkie...Letterman's actions with these women has "quid pro quo" written all over it.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Celator no, this is not
October 6, 2009 - 09:57 ET by Radical1979Celator no, this is not "quid pro quo" because these women were not on an equal footing as Letterman. He had all the power in the relationship.
This reminds me of the
October 6, 2009 - 07:40 ET by Radical1979This reminds me of the phrase about Hitler, at least he made the trains run on time.
So Letterman is funny to some people. That excuses all his despicable behavior.
Tom Shales...
October 6, 2009 - 07:58 ET by AgentAmerican...needs to be Levinitized.
This worm is so full of himself.
Awake the sleeping giant...and that giant is WE THE PEOPLE!
SARAH PALIN WAS RIGHT
October 6, 2009 - 08:20 ET by P. Aaronabout the lecherous cretin Letterman, as she was regarding the death panels.
Who's really a true prophet here, "The One" or Sarah Palin?
Obviously his jokes take on a new meaning
October 6, 2009 - 08:41 ET by legacyrepublicanObviously his jokes about Sarah Palin take on a new meaning when we find out that he is a sexual preditor.
You are correct Aaron, no one was listening to Sarah Palin on the left or in the MSM when she raised the alarm, failing to see that Sarah has been hit on by lots of lecherous men because she is such an attractive woman, or listening to her complaints when she commented on the signs of a pervert attacking her because he was lusting after her.
Interesting how the left hypocritically ignores how he used his "bully pulpit" which he used to sexually harrass someone he lusted after, isn't it?
How does having sex with
October 6, 2009 - 09:15 ET by JesseJacksonIVHow does having sex with consenting adults make him a sexual predator?
~When those "consenting" adults
October 6, 2009 - 09:22 ET by choselife3xDepend on him for a job.
"Why no, Boss, I don't want to do "terrible, creepy things" with you. By the way, about that raise I'm due"....
Kossacks hate me. And yes, it does feel good.
Have the women come out and
October 6, 2009 - 09:29 ET by JesseJacksonIVHave the women come out and said that's the way it happened? No
~Right
October 6, 2009 - 09:39 ET by choselife3xNone of them ever felt the need to please the Boss. None of them ever had a "performance review". None of them ever felt like her more compliant co-worker might get her job. Sure. No pressure, there.
At all.
Kossacks hate me. And yes, it does feel good.
Hav you talked to these
October 6, 2009 - 09:47 ET by JesseJacksonIVHav you talked to these women who have slept with Dave? Unlikely you have, so it's just assumptions on your part.
The intern he had a relationship has said she was in love with him and would have married him, Dave broke it off because of the age difference. That was in the early 90's, doesn't sound like she was pressured into anything
Many women aren't going to
October 6, 2009 - 09:53 ET by Radical1979Many women aren't going to come out publicly and say they slept with the boss because they were afraid for their jobs. They will be called vile names and torn apart by the media. Now that it's public, some may come forward. Others will hide because of their shame.
Oh I love it
October 6, 2009 - 10:02 ET by BlondeThe troll JJIV defending Letterman's shagging his staff.
Nice!
I hope he fails, too.
If it's consensual, it's
October 6, 2009 - 10:26 ET by JesseJacksonIVIf it's consensual, it's really no big deal. A single talk show host sleeping around, is quite different that married politician
He's not single. Why
October 6, 2009 - 12:14 ET by Six String SpiffHe's not single.
Why do politicians get special treatment.
Keep moving the goal posts JJ. Watch out for that cliff...
Nor have you talked to them
October 6, 2009 - 11:10 ET by legacyrepublicanJJIV,
You have not talked to them either, have you? You are just as guilty of assuming facts not in evidence as those you spurn.
This thread started out with an observation that Letterman's contemptious treatement of Sarah Palin was explained by seeing Letterman as lecherous man.
His behavior, consensual though it may be, sheds a great deal of light on his attacks on Palin, doesn't it?
I'm not making assumption.
October 6, 2009 - 11:47 ET by JesseJacksonIVI'm not making assumption. I'm going by what one of the women said about her relationship and the fact that no women have come forward so far making harrassment claims. Only Halderman's lawyer is doing that.
Attacks? He's a comedian doing jokes about a politcian. He was a single man having sex, with women who apparantly wanted to have sex with him. doesn't make him any different than millions of other men, Liberal and Conservative.
Palin supporters are so thin-skinned. Tjose same people probably loved all the "attacks" directed towards Hillary and other Liberal women. They're just jokes, relax.
There you go again
October 6, 2009 - 12:11 ET by legacyrepublicanThere you go again!
You conviently forget that he maliciously went after Palin's minor daughter with a joke about her getting knocked up.
No, Jay Leno and Conan did
October 6, 2009 - 12:24 ET by JesseJacksonIVNo, Jay Leno and Conan did that. Funny how both got away with it.
Yes he did
October 6, 2009 - 12:37 ET by legacyrepublicanYes he did make an inappropriate joke. Leno and Conan are not the issue here.
You would do well to read what Gov. Palin said: "Concerning Letterman's comments about my young daughter (and I doubt he'd ever dare make such comments about anyone else's daughter): 'Laughter incited by sexually perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity aimed at a 14-year-old girl is not only disgusting, but it reminds us some Hollywood/NY entertainers have a long way to go in understanding what the rest of America understands — that acceptance of inappropriate sexual comments about an underage girl, who could be anyone's daughter, contributes to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others.'"
That's nice, except that
October 6, 2009 - 13:17 ET by JesseJacksonIVThat's nice, except that any objective person would have known the joke was directed towards the Palin daughter who had already been pregnant. While Conan and Lenos jokes were about John Edwards having sex with 17 year old Bristol. Besides Letterman apologized on the next two shows.
Based on his history of not telling jokes about teenagers having sex, he should have been given the benefit of the doubt. His having consensual sex while he was not married, has nothing to do with Sarah Palin
I think even if the joke
October 6, 2009 - 13:44 ET by Radical1979I think even if the joke was directed against Bristol, it was wrong. And Letterman's apologies were jokes, not at all sincere.
You refuse to admit to the whole power issue of Letterman's sexual exploits, which is where the fault lies here.
~If it had been purely consensual
October 6, 2009 - 12:22 ET by choselife3xIt wouldn't have been exclusively fillies from his stable, so to speak. Why not sleep with women from outside the office? Because they might have turned him down and talked about it? Women working for him would have it in their best interest to either go along, or at least not talk about it.
Think about the behavior you're defending here. Would you do anything like what he did?
Kossacks hate me. And yes, it does feel good.
If you read about Dave, his
October 6, 2009 - 13:35 ET by JesseJacksonIVIf you read about Dave, his life is his show. That's where he spends most of his time, always has.
~I see
October 6, 2009 - 14:03 ET by choselife3xIt was pure propinquity. It was just too much trouble to cheat on the mother of his son with anyone who didn't work for him. *cough*
You realize, what you're saying is that Dave is a lazy cheater who only stole the low-hanging fruit. Hahahahahaha!
I don't think you're helping his case.
Kossacks hate me. And yes, it does feel good.
"It was pure
October 6, 2009 - 17:23 ET by stratmanNice word choice.
(Tips hat to chooselife3x)
I'm assuming you're killer with crossword puzzles.
~Among other things.. ;-)
October 6, 2009 - 17:25 ET by choselife3x(Sweeps a curtsey to stratman)
Kossacks hate me. And yes, it does feel good.
Valid question
October 6, 2009 - 09:35 ET by legacyrepublicanNot all sexual preditors are doing it illegally, some are doing it unethically and immorally.
A sexual preditor can be someone who pursues their urges in a fashion that eventually dehumanizes someone else or places them in a difficult position if they say no.
We laugh at SNL's Steve Martin and Dan Ackroyd's Wild and Crazy Guys routine, but, they were playing powerless sexual preditors cruising the bars.
But, if you were a woman whose job depended on the Wild and Crazy guys good favor to keep your job, would you laugh then at their over the top antics?
The women Letterman went to bed with may have been consenting, but, it set up a pattern of potential abuse for other women who worked for Letterman.
Having known someone who lost her job because her boss became unfaithful with another assistant who then pushed my friend out of her necessary job, I don't think the term sexual preditor isn't very far off.
He is preying on women who
October 6, 2009 - 09:51 ET by Radical1979He is preying on women who work for him, whom he has power over. That's what makes him a predator.
Unless you were there, you
October 6, 2009 - 10:27 ET by JesseJacksonIVUnless you were there, you have no idea how the relationships started. To say he was preying on them is another assumption
Allow me to expand on that Jackson
October 6, 2009 - 12:51 ET by Lord ErondIn all states, the medical boards of those states have expressly prohibited doctors from having sex with their patients. Even if it's a situation where the doctor is single and the patient is single. Why? Because there is a distinct power imbalance in that interaction that is present even before the patient meets the doctor. And physicians who violate that are committing one of the worst ethical violations IMHO.
You can't possibly expect me to believe that this woman who is an employee of CBS came into her relationship with Letterman on equal footing. He has a great deal of power over her. He knew it, she knew it. Maybe that's what attracted her but it's not an equal or equitable relationship. I would wholeheartedly agree with the statement that he 'preyed' on these women. He took advantage of his authority over them based on their economic need for employment. Furthermore, he damn well knew that he didn't DARE fire them or get slapped with the biggest sexual harassment lawsuit in history.
"Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge."
Timothy 6:20
It is your state of being
October 6, 2009 - 08:50 ET by TenebrousIt is your state of being free of the crime that others are committing that gives you the moral authority for your commentary, be it polemic or humor. It certainly is not your position. That is utterly illogical.
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Great Comic of All Time?
October 6, 2009 - 09:54 ET by Red JeepLetterman doesn't make my top ten list of Great Comics of all time. Not even the top 100.
Women?
October 6, 2009 - 10:12 ET by slickwillie2001The surprise here is that some women wanted to have sex with the worm Letterboy.
Women are just wired differently. They respond to power and fame in men. Look at all the pasty-old-white-guy politicians that have had these problems. The opposite doesn't seem to be true. Maybe it's a hunter-gatherer deal, needing the protection of the alpha male to keep the babies safe or whatever.
I'm not surprised by this
October 6, 2009 - 10:57 ET by TenebrousI'm not surprised by this at all. Women slept with Bob Barker! To women, power is security and thus attraction.
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One just completely gets the visual of Shales performing
October 6, 2009 - 12:44 ET by Lord Erondthe proverbial "Lewinsky" on Letterman with this piece.
"Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge."
Timothy 6:20
off with his head
October 6, 2009 - 13:16 ET by BurgherHow many court jester ticked of their King in the past and soon lost his head.
Another one bites the dust
Because.....
October 6, 2009 - 15:21 ET by BondPlainBondA pig by any other name would be just as disgusting.
Go Dave on her
October 6, 2009 - 15:32 ET by CO2MakerThere's no point trying to argue whether Dave should get a pass because he's a court jester or should be pummeled into unconsciousness because he's a cad.
Make his name into a joke. "Oh, lord. He wanted to go Dave on me. Ewww." Or "Keith the Sports Boy over at MSNBC wants to Dave somebody so badly, but no one comes to his show." Or "I saw a van rocking and thought some people were Daving around, but it was just Tom Hanks and that big dog."
Re Guests
October 6, 2009 - 20:36 ET by slickwillie2001Re the question of whether this extends to guests or not, there is no evidence that it does but given Letterboy's style, it looks likely to me. He obviously can't extort sex from the bigs, but from the struggling young actress needing some publicity, from the nobody singers that appear out of nowhere on his show, quite possibly. I wonder if any of them will come forward now and tell us how Letterboy handled them.
Perhaps another shoe to drop.