NBC spotlighted radical black Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson to rail against President Bush as a "clueless patrician" in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and then Brian Williams threw those words in Bush's face. On Wednesday, they spotlighted Dyson’s vicious attack on Rep. Joe Wilson and other conservatives as comparable to terrorists, like the suicide attackers of 9/11. Matt Lauer didn’t find this an occasion to interrupt and interject. Instead, he then read Maureen Dowd’s New York Times column calling Wilson a racist. Here’s how Lauer brought Dyson in:
LAUER: Michael, I don't know which is worse. Is it worse if, in fact, some of this opposition to President Obama is fueled by outright racism? Or is it worse if some liberals, in an attempt to defend President Obama and his plans, invoke the charge of racism to discredit the critics?
DYSON: Well clearly the first would be the problem, Matt. The existence of an abuse is far worse than those who trump it up. But let me say this. You don't ask the person who's been, you know, the abuser what the status of the, the progress is. You ask the people or the person who's been abused. Or if we look at terror, there's only been one terrorist strike, 9/11, but since then we've had terror alerts, we've been proactive, we've been preemptive. So race is the same way. Race is not only a former of terror, it is terror.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓And the thing is that, yeah, there have been, I think incredibly valid incidents of racial opposition to Mr. Obama, and there's been an atmosphere from which those events have derived. So I think if you look at the tea baggers, if you look at-
LAUER: Right.
DYSON: -the birthers. He's not even American. If you look at the racial sentiment that is swirling out there, of course we understand that it would be difficult for the Obama White House to come out and say "Yeah," because he looks like a victim crying in his beer, so to speak, but at the same time, why is it that we put the burden of proof upon him when we know that this nation has been built upon so much racial inequality, and it continues to exist in our own time?
NBC paired the professor of "racial terror" studies with right-leaning pollster Frank Luntz, which had the effect of pairing an accountant with a professional wrestler. One meekly offered numbers, and the other was screaming for a fight at the Omni on Friday night. The caption during the segment was "Obama, Wilson And Racism, What's Behind Attacks On The President?" Here was the Dowd Syndrome section:
LAUER: Let me read you both something that Maureen Dowd wrote in her column this week, and it's quite inflammatory. She wrote this, the normally, and she's talking about the incident at the speech before the joint session of Congress. "The normally nonchalant Barack Obama looked nonplussed as Nancy Pelosi glowered behind, surrounded by middle-aged white guys -- the sepia snapshot of the days when such pols ran Washington like their own men's club -- Joe Wilson yelled, "You lie!" at a president who didn't. But fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air. 'You lie boy!'" Frank did you hear that word?
LUNTZ: Absolutely not. The anger is not directed just towards Barack Obama. It's directed towards a member, members of Congress. It's directed towards the Senate. It's directed towards the media, towards unions, towards institutions that we feel have failed us.
LAUER: Michael, did you hear "You lie boy!" in that comment from Joe Wilson?
DYSON: That and a lot more. "You uppity 'n'!" and so on. Here's the point, Matt.
LAUER: You really heard that?
DYSON: Well, well, obviously I didn't physically hear that, but the implication, the inference. You don't only deal with so-called empirically verifiable racism. You can point to a lynching or using a epithet. You look at the kind of atmosphere and attitude. Look at the opposition. President Obama wants to speak to the American schoolchildren. What's more American than that? People are keeping their kids at home because they fear he's gonna use their bully pulpit to try to drive home a Democratic agenda. The point is, Matt, when you look at the intense concentration on Mr. Obama. Painting him as a president with two eyes in a, in a black box. Calling him a Nazi. Calling him a chimpanzee. Calling him a monkey. How much evidence do you need?
LAUER: Alright Frank.
DYSON: And it's, it amazes me that white Americans are incapable of acknowledging what is before our faces and the reality is that we have to deal with the racial animus that undergirds and underlies American public discourse-
LAUER: Frank I'm gonna give you-
DYSON: -and, and the resistance to Mr. Obama has been stark.
LAUER: -give you the last word here. Real quickly, how should Republicans handle this charge? How should Democrats in the White House handle the charge?
LUNTZ: I've interviewed almost a million people. I will tell you, point blank, he's [Dyson’s] wrong about this. It's up to the Republicans to offer an alternative and it's up to them to challenge the President in a civil way. But in the end, this, if they don't understand this, this isn't about Barack Obama. It's about fear of the future, fear of control, loss of freedom.
LAUER: Frank-
DYSON: Fear of a black planet and fear of a black man?
LUNTZ: Please, c'mon.
That’s as rough as Luntz got: "Please, c’mon." Dyson’s charge that Obama is portrayed as a Nazi and a chimpanzee is easily matched by President Bush being portrayed as a Nazi and a chimpanzee. (Hasn’t Dyson seen the Bush-hater website The Smirking Chimp?)
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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Fear of a black planet and fear of a black man?
September 17, 2009 - 07:55 ET by rockyracoonI don't where to start in commenting with this Dyson person, but I have to laugh at the following:
"DYSON: That and a lot more. "You uppity 'n'!" and so on. Here's the point, Matt.
LAUER: You really heard that?
DYSON: Well, well, obviously I didn't physically hear that, but the implication, the inference."
He didn't "PHYSICALLY" hear Rep Wilson utter "You uppity 'n!"
How in hell did Dyson, both graduate from college, and get a job at a prestigous University. This man is racist to the core.
If your predisposed
September 17, 2009 - 08:01 ET by theduck6to hear something and it gives you power, you can hear anything you want to even if it was never said. I for one will no longer allow anyone to intimidate me into calling a spade a spade. OH CRAP I must really be a racist after all! If you can't back up your accusation SHUT YOUR PIE
You can always call a spade
September 17, 2009 - 08:08 ET by rockyracoonYou can always call a spade a shovel, if you need to stay out of trouble.
Oh Oh
September 17, 2009 - 09:43 ET by theduck6gotta write that one down
Since you seem to be a wealth of knowledge today, can you tell me how the WH distances itself from ACORN et al with the close personal ties they've had in the past and well circulated video of the "ONE" warmly praising them?
B0 doesn't have to distance
September 17, 2009 - 14:25 ET by rockyracoonB0 doesn't have to distance himself from ACORN, he has the media doing all the blocking and tacklling for him downfield, IMHO.
Exactly. Charlie Gibson
September 17, 2009 - 22:20 ET by GregEExactly. Charlie Gibson claimed to know nothing about the ACORN scandals. So either Charlie, bigtime newsguy, is a complete idiot and actually didn't know (I doubt that seriously), or he's fine with acting like he didn't know, if it will protect Democrats.
So liberals imagine
September 17, 2009 - 08:06 ET by motherbeltSo liberals imagine Republicans calling Obama an "uppity nigger" and that's all it takes for the tar and feathers to come out.
Mr. Dyson just "knows" that's what they're thinking.
Just like MoDo imagines that "Boy!" on the end of Wilson's comment.
These people are past pathetic. That anyone grants them any credence at all is ridiculous.
During his comments I heard
September 17, 2009 - 09:59 ET by winston smithDuring his comments I heard Dyson scream "Cracker, Puh-leeese!". I mean, I didn't physically hear him say it, but the implication, the inference, you know?
MSNBC - The Place For Lunatics
Dyson.....
September 17, 2009 - 13:50 ET by adamsmithAffirmative Action strikes again. When will these reparations end?
Gnat Liar...
September 17, 2009 - 07:56 ET by Apodictic... is the zenith of girlyman-metrosexual incompetence. He couldn't win in a purse fight, let alone in an interview with a radical marxist.
Or
September 17, 2009 - 08:07 ET by legacyrepublicanOr have the fortitude to fight his way out of a wet paper sack.
These people have drained
September 17, 2009 - 08:01 ET by motherbeltThese people have drained the word "terrorist" of all meaning. Everything they don't like is terrorism.
Get a grip, for crying out loud!
And Mr. Luntz...
It's up to the Republicans to offer an alternative and it's up to them to challenge the President in a civil way.
There are Republican alternatives to the Democrats' plan out there. The Democrats refuse to acknowledge their existence. And the media go along and refuse to talk about them, preferring the story line that all Republicans have is opposition and hate.
Does the race card beat the Ace of Spades in a straight flush?
September 17, 2009 - 08:04 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsLet's figure this out.
Yep, those whiteys are sure racist.
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Write your Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
I'd like to contribute a few Acorn stats
September 17, 2009 - 08:10 ET by SickofLibs• Number of blacks who voted more than once for Obama in multiple states, courtesy of Acorn = who knows?
• Number of cartoon characters who voted for Obama, courtesy of Acorn = who knows?
• Number of deceased who voted for Obama, courtesy of Acorn = who knows?
Whoa whoa hold on there old buddy
September 17, 2009 - 09:44 ET by theduck6that's "Ace of Shovels"
Dyson and Lauer
September 17, 2009 - 08:05 ET by GeneralAlDyson and Lauer are just part of a list of incompetents allowed a platform to spew their rediculous points of view. They kiss up tp the black community to cover their own prejudices! It makes me puke as they speak "I'm with you bro! You're a victim of these white honky Conservatives!" Underneath, they're calling chimp and porch monkey!
A better conparison ...
September 17, 2009 - 08:14 ET by 10ksnookerWouldn't a more apt comparison be to comapre Joe Wilson's words with the Democrat's KKK's actions?
I have always wondered how we got to the point that blacks support the KKK party. Really weird.
Nothing is ever the fault
September 17, 2009 - 08:20 ET by nicksmith112Nothing is ever the fault of an African American according to Dyson.
Fox's goes to guy on race is Marc Lamont Hill.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
Marc Lamont Hill
September 17, 2009 - 08:37 ET by rockyracoonI've seen this Hill character on BOR, and Red Eye, and usually change channels or hit the mute button. As you stated nicksmith112, "nothing is ever the fault of an African-American."
Everything is about race with these race hustlers with college diplomas and jobs, unlike JJ and AS
The Words "Racism" and "Racist" No Longer have any Meaning
September 17, 2009 - 08:21 ET by scottyusmcI use to be sensitive to these words and took steps to understand the underlying root causes. But, today it is clear that any critical comment or disagreement with those of the black community and currently this administration is classified as only being made for racist reasons. That is total BS on its face and has put the final nail in any legitimate claims of racism.
Generalizing (like this) is prejudice
September 17, 2009 - 08:28 ET by KC MulvilleAre some of the protesters racist? Perhaps. Does that invalidate the entire point of all the other protesters, which is what Dyson's fellow liberals are trying to do by throwing down the race card? Of course not.
The idea that if some protesters are wrong, they must all be wrong, is the essential fallacy. The irony is that it's also the essential fallacy behind all racism and prejudice. The irony is lost on these fools. The moment they generalize about the whole based on some small percentage, they commit the same crime they're accusing others of.
The media takes the accusation and presents it against the accused. In fact, prompt it in the first place. On the other hand, they make no effort to challenge the accusation. The media's focus is completely in one direction. It tells you what side they're on.
The defenders would increase their credibility if they ever acknowledged that criticism against Obama is legitimate. They say it barely in passing, but then you wonder why they are so infuriated if they admit that the evidence of racism is from a tiny percentage. Their actions and behavior contradict their words.
Yea maybe
September 17, 2009 - 09:14 ET by nwahsAre some of the protesters racist? Perhaps
Yea, I say there are some, more than the right would have you believe and less than the left would have you believe. There's going to be lunatic fringe in any group. What gets under my skin is calculated race baiting, and I've seen that from the left and the right this week.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
The only race baiter is the hypocrite liar nwahss
September 17, 2009 - 09:54 ET by JWFWe have seen it from the left - nwahs.
Now who is doing it on the right?
Well I normally ignore
September 17, 2009 - 12:41 ET by nwahsWell I normally ignore you only because you're a little lunatic misfit, but this is a good place to bring up John Stewart making fun of Drudge Report's race baiting.
Here's an article on the same race baiting.
Here's Rush race baiting by blaiming the beating on Obama.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
HansW~
September 17, 2009 - 12:50 ET by Georgia Girl"Little lunatic misfit"? Wow -- that's harsh, dude! I know, JWF is none too fond of you as well -- I've seen his posts.
But I was just thinking...how is it that I can find you both decent people -- but you totally despise each other? Perhaps we should think of this in terms of logic:
If HansW and JWF are okay with GeorgiaGirl (that's an assumption on my part, so this won't work if that's not the case)...and if GeorgiaGirl sees value in JWF...and GeorgiaGirl sees value in HansW...then what are the odds that JWF and HansW can find some sort of value in each other?
Any hope? Any? Some small scrap? Anybody, anybody?...
You bring out the best in people
September 17, 2009 - 12:55 ET by nwahsI think you have a way of bringing out the best in people.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Aww...
September 17, 2009 - 14:20 ET by Georgia Girlthat's sweet.^_^
And I take that to mean that you have now seen the light and are best buds with JWF. Okay ... that would be just a bit delusional on my part. I won't hold my breath on that one, but perhaps I should just hope for a cease fire for the moment... ;)
Well the insult was
September 17, 2009 - 16:53 ET by nwahsYea the best buds thing is probably a stretch, but the insult was probably best left out. The board gets caustic at times.
Think of it like a chess game. You really don't wish ill on your opponent but you have to play the board. But you're civil with everyone ( that I've seen) . That's beyond my capabilities :)
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
HansW~
September 17, 2009 - 18:44 ET by Georgia GirlWe all get revved up at times. I have been intense with a few people on here...and, frankly, I've been blessed that the ones I've gotten ticked with have been remarkably gracious/accepting in return -- or said nothing. I don't get mad very often, but when I do, I can be intense.
But anyway, we all get impatient and unnerved at times. Nobody's perfect. But I honestly like so many of the personalities on here...even ones where I may agree 005% of the time. And you may be one of those who I have that much in common with -- ha! ;)
Again you are out of context
September 17, 2009 - 13:04 ET by general companyHere's Rush race baiting by blaiming the beating on Obama.
Rush was using the the Newweak artical to make a parody of the beating. You see, the beating was justified, because Newsweak said all White kids are born racist. So are all White kids born racist NW?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I know
September 17, 2009 - 13:08 ET by nwahsI'm just doing a parody on Rush's race baiting.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Make 'em prove racism
September 17, 2009 - 08:43 ET by nkviking75Just once I'd like to hear a reporter really push one of these clowns to justify the leap in "logic" that links two little words to racism. The people who know Joe Wilson say he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Yet these professional race baiters claim to know what's in the man's heart based on one brief outburst.
There's more evidence that Hill thinks all whites are racist, either overtly or just under the surface. That's the real racism.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
Wow
September 17, 2009 - 09:18 ET by well99"Well, well, obviously I didn't physically hear that, but the implication, the inference. You don't only deal with so-called empirically verifiable racism."
What a punk racist.You know I think the leftist is useing this racist bs to stir the pot.They are hopeing to keep folks distracted.There is something going on or going to happen.
I've said it before...
September 17, 2009 - 09:21 ET by robertlbryantThe whole "you're racist" cop-out has 100% become just that... A cop-out. The inability of these people to debate and defend any of their policies leads to what they are best at, which is defamation of character and verbal abuse.
These people are disgusting, vile, and venomous human beings.
"You don't ask the person
September 17, 2009 - 10:26 ET by athoughtor2"You don't ask the person who's been, you know, the abuser what the status of the, the progress is. You ask the people or the person who's been abused."
They did ask the person, Obama, via his spokesman, Gibbs, and the answer was there is no racism in terms of Wilson. Hmmmmmmmm Guess that doesn't count for anything.
What did the democrats do
September 17, 2009 - 10:34 ET by nicksmith112What did the democrats do when the Republicans warned and attempted to regulate in Fannie and Freddie debacle?? They played the Race Card.
http://www.youtube.c...
http://www.youtube.c...
Will history repeat itself with Obama-care....cap and trade???
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
→ Dyson
September 17, 2009 - 10:50 ET by Cool ArrowPoor Dyson. His life is his color. His greatest achievement is his color. His only grievance is his color. He defines himself by his color. He teaches his color. His color gets him on TV. Columbia pays him to maintain his grievance over his color.
Booker T Washington on Dyson:
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
-} CA - Mr. Washington has 100 times more credence
September 17, 2009 - 12:12 ET by BO STINKSthan Dyson. He was born a slave and he accomplished more in his lifetime than Dyson is probably capable of imagining. Where are the Booker T. Washington(s), the MLK(s), et. al.?
Once in a while I hear about a black pastor who is fighting against the annihilation of pre-born inner city babies - but that's it. The character and grace of the black reps. from yesteryear are greatly needed.
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" Sam Adams
Where are the Booker T. Washington's, et al?
September 17, 2009 - 19:32 ET by ProudAmerican58Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, and a great commentator named Alonzo Rachel (ZoNation on PajamasTV) come to mind. Unfortumately, they tend to be marginalized as not being "representative of black people" (talk about racist).
Not gonna anymore
September 17, 2009 - 11:42 ET by StarAZThey are tossing out "racist" and expecting everyone who disagrees with them to cringe and shrivel like a vampire at 6 am. I am not going to play this anymore...and, accordingly, should not even have posted this. I have my limits. This is too stupid and anti-intellectual for me.
I do have another question
September 17, 2009 - 11:44 ET by StarAZHow could Luntz have interviewed a million people? Is he talking poll samples?
Oh, here we go!!!
September 17, 2009 - 12:18 ET by Roscoe MendagoI was always under the impression Dyson was a poster-boy for unapologetic racism, remember this guy is a college professor.
Does anyone feel that the standard with Dyson is: Seeing how fast you can talk and the faster you talk somehow exponentially increases and displays ones intelligence while at the same time masks their stupidity. This professorial display encountered in most college ethnic diversity departments is like the equivalent display by peacocks but of less consequence.*
Barack Obama and his crowd of sycophants are Marxists that are destroying America, confiscating our wealth and with the outcome likely to get us all enslaved to funding a Zimbabwe like government, also he's treating our enemies better than our friends, and that's gonna help???
*See Mark Lamont Hill-
Rolling the Dyson and crapping out
September 17, 2009 - 13:17 ET by Jack BauerA picture is worth a thousand words (hey I must copyright that original thought)...
Let's consider the photo of this Dyson character, whoever he is.
Now it's clearly a publicity shot produced by, or at least for, him. It's posed, no matter how oddly, that's for sure. It's in black and white -- very arty. He has the glasses -- very pseudo-intellectual. He had the ranting scowl. HUH???? WTF as our loony leftist enemies are so wont to txt.
So.. what sort of person would okay THAT shot as how he wants to represent himself to the world.
Why a VERY ANGRY person is my guess.
Maybe he feels he has to project that image to be accepted by the Angry White Liberals with whom he longs to hang. (And by hang I mean, be with, no hidden racism there.)
Cmon, Jack, you're supposed to be intimidated by that photo
September 17, 2009 - 13:35 ET by SickofLibsThat's a classic "I'll kick your ass, you little cracker" shot.
BTW, with this shot, retouch out the beard, slap on a cheap polyester wig, and you got Mad Maxine Waters to a tee.
OK, maybe leave a hint of beard. Bwahahaha!
SoL -- ha. I get it
September 17, 2009 - 13:40 ET by Jack BauerSoL -- ha. I get it now.
Is that the 'GET IN THEIR FACE' pose as instructed by candidate Obama last year.
That's it Jack
September 17, 2009 - 14:05 ET by SickofLibsHey, BTW, like your RACERS tag.
I'm more of an "E-Racer" though, cause I'm only like this online.
→ So adopted
September 17, 2009 - 17:00 ET by Cool ArrowThey are RACERS.
They are Wacky Racers.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
cool -- yeah, that's an
September 17, 2009 - 18:31 ET by Jack Bauercool -- yeah, that's an improvement. WACKY RACERS
I like it Jack
September 17, 2009 - 18:35 ET by Cool ArrowWith San Fran Nan as Penelope Putzfrau.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Charges of Racism
September 17, 2009 - 13:15 ET by Mike SObama is liberal, conservatives are conservative. They will disagree on political issues. Every time the Obama administration pursues a policy that conservatives disagree with, we try to engage him in discussion (or argument) over the issue, BECAUSE HE IS THE LEADER OF THE POSITION THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. Whenever conservatives disagree with Obama, other liberals and the media claim that it is racism. It is the conservatives who are treating President Obama as president (although one they disagree with.) It is the liberals and the media who are saying with their response; no, he is not the leader of a position you disagree with, he is ONLY a black man. Nothing else about Barack Obama matters. He cannot have a different identity in the world than as a black man. Therefore any disagreement with him is racism.
Another radical professor
September 17, 2009 - 16:13 ET by b4m4wyAnother radical professor screaming racism. What are the odds?
Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.
Ronald Reagan
By the way...
September 17, 2009 - 16:57 ET by slickwillie2001Rep. Joe Wilson is fast approaching two million dollars in contributions, and they are far behind in processing post office mail many of which include checks:
Reality Check on Joe Wilson: http://www.redstate.com
At this rate, there will be an argument in the Republican Party over who gets to label the Bamster a liar at the next opportunity!
Wise men
September 17, 2009 - 19:32 ET by nwahsOver this week, we've heard several sources speak on race.
I've got two clips - none linked to Media Matters for you. Listen to both and tell me how much we've changed since 1992 . Tell me if you don't hear the same rhetoric. I hear the same rhetoric.
First Limbaugh.
Second Duke.
See, none of this is new.
Now for the bonus question. Did Rush Limabaugh comment of the Louisiana governors race between David Duke (R) and Edwin Edwards(D) in 1991 ?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
→ nwahs
September 17, 2009 - 19:34 ET by Cool ArrowAnd the MSM trotted out the unusual crybabies this time, but they were there, nonetheless. (Sharpton and Jackson conspicuously missing, probably at the behest of the WH)
You're right, The Liberal Press tried to build a case for conservative racism by giving airtime to names they wouldn't normally give the time of day.
Race hucksterism is backfiring on the left.
Some things have changed.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Just a note
September 17, 2009 - 19:53 ET by nwahsWhat had me thinking so much about the 1991 Louisiana election, is a person very instrumental in "outing" David Duke, died this past Saturday, alone and homeless. Elizabeth Rickey. You'll hear her mentioned as the source of the Vogue article at the end of the Duke clip. Rickey was a Republican. At the time Duke was considered a black eye on the Republican party. Its amazing to see his rhetoric shopped around in the conservative movement today.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Nwahs - What?
September 17, 2009 - 19:56 ET by FeynmanFanYou're comparing people in the conservative movement today with David Duke? Got any comparisons - or is that just a generalization?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I compared the rhetoric
September 17, 2009 - 20:43 ET by nwahsI compared the rhetoric not the people. Read what you quoted.
Also look at part2 of the Duke clip.
part 3
part 4
He goes to the same well as we go today - Clarence Thomas, Robert Byrd, and Teddy Kennedy for the exact same hot buttons. "Teddy Kennedy doesn't harass women he kills them. What I'm saying is there is a double standard in our media and our country."
His statement is plausible. But the rhetoric is diverting the attention from himself and playing like his only problems are the media is too focused on him and not being fair in that matter. If he were black, the media would be more forgiving.
That's 1992, 17 years ago. All I'm asking you to do is watch the clips and see if any parts sound familiar, sound like familiar rhetoric.
The clip says 1992 but Duke ran for governor in 1991- I think the date is wrong on the clip.
You've got to watch this. Its weird its like they were reading this board 18 years ago. "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" comes up in describing Duke supporters. Two weeks ago someone brought up that part of the movie Network?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Sad NW
September 17, 2009 - 20:46 ET by general companyI try to give you the benifit of the doubt, but your Rush clip is pretty sad. Where Has Rush gone wrong here? Are you pro Acorn? Do you condone the crime and fraud they particapate in? Do you think they are being unfairly accused?
The 2 morons who are providing the commentary are displaying the bigotry.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm just asking people to watch this interview
September 17, 2009 - 20:53 ET by nwahsI'm just asking people to watch this interview. I'm telling people to look at this rhetoric. You remember this. You , general company,were here. You saw the David Duke rhetoric. This interview is a flagrant display of it for people who weren't here. I'm just asking people to watch it and see if any looks familiar.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Yea I was here
September 17, 2009 - 21:36 ET by general companyAnd you seem to forget the times, David Duke was a fluke. The polititions here were so damd corupt the folks did not know what, who, or when, Duke only won by 200 or so votes. Those folks still cant live that down even today. The artical above shows the concern many folks at that time had about him. Lastly, for you to use Duke to paint others, is well, what did you do to prevent it? Did you know Duke was a Dem? Yep right up until he realized he couldn't unseat Treen as one.
Dont you for a second suggest I approved of Duke. Here is more perspective
Treen later sued Duke, not sure of the outcome?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Ignore the two morons
September 17, 2009 - 20:53 ET by nwahsI don't like the Turk guy either, just watch the clip.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I may be mistaken...
September 18, 2009 - 17:30 ET by RukusfBut didn't the Republican party rebuke Duke? I think they threw him under the bus. I may be wrong, but I think nobody in the Rebub. party was ok with his sh!t! I'll look further into it...
Gary
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine
Gary~
September 18, 2009 - 17:45 ET by Georgia GirlLove the Tom Paine quote. Amen!
"My mother's brother's only niece didn't vote for Obama~and she's proud of it." (GG)
Thanks good lady!
September 18, 2009 - 18:28 ET by RukusWith my two oldest serving in the military I thought it pertinent! Thanks GG. : )
Gary
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine
Gary~
September 18, 2009 - 19:30 ET by Georgia GirlGod bless them -- and keep them safe!
P.S.Since I have gotten two PMs on my little tagline (it's actually not a tagline -- I'd have to retype it every single time, since I STILL can't figure out how to do a tagline.)...I guess I better clarify it, since it's confusing people. It was supposed to be a little funny. My mother's brother's only niece is ME. Get it? My mother's brother (who would be my uncle) has one niece -- so that would have to be me ... oh, forget it. LOL.
Nwahs - I watched the entire clip
September 17, 2009 - 21:01 ET by FeynmanFanI watched the entire clip and have a couple of comments:
1. Duke was confronted with quotes that he had made in 1978 - 13 years before the interview - and said that he he regretted the statements and had "grown up" (I think was the phrase he used). If we can be asked to believe that Robert Byrd has changed his beliefs since his KKK days, and that Obama has put behind him some of the onerous things in his past, we should be able to believe Duke when he says he has changed and regrets things he said in the past.
2. His comments about Tedddy Kennedy and the other folks were to some extent fair. It's always been hard for me to understand how Teddy Kennedy could literally get away with murder and sit in judgement on other people. I know you are are against hypocrisy, and folks like Kennedy (and some prominent Democrats today) should be at the top of your list.
3. Duke talked about a double standard in the press that still exists today - and has gotten worse. It's commonly known that the press is much easier on Democrats who transgress than they are on Republicans. When stories are printed about errant Democrats they are almost never identified by party. The media will drum up reasons for the difference in treatment but they are, without question, biased in their treatment of Democrats and Republicans. Just take a look at the pass Obama and folks in his administration have gotten on a lot of the things they've done. How badly was Bush excoriated for being a recovering alcoholic while Obama gets a free pass on his drug use? Charlie Rangel gets away with cheating on his taxes. John Edwards was protected by the press after his affair. It just goes on and on.
4. The interview was a hit piece, which was good for Duke so he could adress the issues. Whether listeners believed him or not was entirely up to them.
So, on to the question about people today using the some of the same rhetoric that Duke used. I think that some of his statements (as I've described above) are still valid today. I also think you're lumping anyone who makes a statement similar to something Duke said with someone who supports all his past reprehensible beliefs, and that's a specious position. It's kind of like saying that if Hitler and I both believed in Santa Claus, I am the same as Hitler. It's wrong for you to do that.
Does that make sense?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Fair enough
September 17, 2009 - 21:13 ET by nwahsYou've watched the interview. Now please read the article on Rickey's death ( the source of the Vogue article). While Duke was putting on this public face, he was trying to convert Rickey and this is where she got a lot of her information for her article and her expose on Duke.
You also might note, that Duke dismissed some of his articles (from his National Association for the Advancement of White People newspaper) lampooning blacks as satire. Having witnessed that, I do get edgy when people explain "halfricans," Bo Snerdly Ebonics translations, Jefferson's theme song upon the promotion of an African-American, and "Magic Negro" songs, I do get skeptical when I see all this written off as satire. Where's the white satire on the show?
But thanks for watching the interview.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Nwahs - I read the article, too
September 17, 2009 - 21:31 ET by FeynmanFanGranting that the story is correct on its face, I agree that Rickey did a good thing by exposing Duke for what he really was.
I still maintain that because a person agrees with some of Duke's comments doesn't mean that person agrees with all of Duke's beliefs.
You are making a false comparison if you try to do that to people.
As for shows lampooning whites, I've seen plenty of examples. Eddie Murphy did several bits on SNL making fun of whites. The Wayans brothers' old TV show used to make fun of whites, too. Chris Rock once referred to whites as "crackers" on national TV. The difference is that it's okay for blacks to make fun of whites, but not the other way around.
As to the phrase "halfricans", please take a look at this link and tell me what you think. I think slick posted this link last night and I tried to call it to your attention then.
Thanks
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
I agree
September 17, 2009 - 22:06 ET by nwahsI think I stated in another post that some of the arguments are plausible, but to note the rhetoric when trying to divert the attention from him. Thats when he hits a- hmm- racially questionable issues that he labels "conservative" or resorts to "I'm only saying what others are thinking."
I'm not going to change anyone's mind and don't mean to. I'm just trying to put the "racist pretending to be conservative" rhetoric on full display. Once you see it you'll never forget it. Sometime in the future, you might say to yourself "Hmm, I've heard that before." Maybe you won't, but I think the interview is enlightening for the rhetoric used.
I do appreciate your indulgence.
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nwahs -
September 18, 2009 - 06:00 ET by FeynmanFanIt seems to me that you are assuming racism in remarks that people make and looking for proof by associating those remarks with those made by avowed racists. The analogy here is that when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I still say you are making an unfair comparison. Just because someone says something that David Duke has said in the past doesn't mean that they are cut from the same cloth.
Maybe you should stop looking for reasons to accuse people of being racist and just take their concerns about where the United States is headed at face value.
I also noticed that you had no comment on the Halfrican link I asked you to check out. Did you take a look at it?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
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September 17, 2009 - 20:27 ET by FeynmanFanDelete
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September 17, 2009 - 19:51 ET by TeddyMichael Eric Demagogue
Been calling him that for Years.
That's all.