Our night owl Brent Baker stayed up into the middle of the night watching the early news of Ted Kennedy's death. His first report is that Brian Williams proclaimed in a parting shot at 3:16 AM that Kennedy was the "last unabashed liberal" in the Senate. Bernie Sanders might need to e-mail.
Expect many, many kind words about the "royal family" and so on to come. It's clear that Kennedy was a historic figure in the Senate and an inspirational leader for American liberalism. We'll be watching for statements (like the NBC anchor's) that don't ring true.




















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August 26, 2009 - 05:49 ET by BondPlainBondRest in Peace.
Good Riddance Low Like
August 26, 2009 - 05:52 ET by nyyankee55Your father was a bootlegger- no better than Pablo Escobar, your father made a deal with the Chicago Mob thru Sam Giancana and then your equally sleazy brothers(I am not calling Mr Giacana sleazy- at least he didn't hide what he was) turned around and screwed the mob
Then worst of all you let Mary Jo die like a dog- you were never a man, just a sniveling, whinny, rich kid whi cried when he didn't get his way.
The world is a better place today
RIP Mar Jo
"Pleased to meet you----
August 26, 2009 - 11:45 ET by winston smith"Pleased to meet you, Ted---- hope you guessed my name.......... I shouted out who killed Kopechne, when after all it was you and me!"
"Stole many a mans soul and faith....."
August 26, 2009 - 11:45 ET by vrwc13I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a mans soul and faith....
But whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game....
v
Tell me, baby, whats my name
Tell me, sweetie, whats my name
+1 I was listening to
August 26, 2009 - 12:46 ET by Lord Elicani+1
I was listening to that song when I came across your comment.
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Padmé Amidala, Revenge of the Sith
This is not needed (nyyankee55)
August 26, 2009 - 21:16 ET by ImAllRightIf all you can do is speak out of anger, for frankly, a man that you do not know; then it is better to just stay quiet and let those that want to mourn, do so.
Would you be angered if a lefty came in here on the day that Laura Bush passes away spewing hatred about the young man's death she was responsible for?
My guess is you would find that disgusting, as would anyone.
Let the dead RIP for a few days before you go around grunting and muttering how much you couldn't stand them.
If I were you I would watch a few speeched by Ronald Reagan, and listen to the way he was able to bring people together, no matter their differences in thought and view of life.
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." - Ronald Reagan
ImAllRight.....Ted Kennedy was responsible for the negligent
August 28, 2009 - 17:57 ET by Rush Fanhomicide of Mary Jo Kopechne. You can disregard his politics, his strong advocacy for abortions for all, his serial cheating in college and in his marriage, and his other character flaws that the liberal media ignored while they put him on a pedestal.
But as I referenced in my post here, Kennedy waited over nine hours after driving-off of the bridge, before he went to the police station in Edgarton to report the accident.
If he had reported the accident sooner, Mary Jo Kopechne might be alive today. In Mary Wentworth's detailed account of the accident at Chappaquiddick, she writes:
Did Ted Kennedy have any remorse about his responsibility for her death? Here is a clue. Hot Air's Ed Morrissey writes today:
Finally, you mention Ronald Reagan. Rush Limbaugh pointed out on his radio program today, as well as noted it in his Stack of Stuff, that Ted Kennedy attempted to sabotage President Reagan in a letter Kennedy sent to the Soviets.
You mourn Kennedy your way, and I, nyyankee55 and others will "mourn" Kennedy our way!
Yes, rest in peace
August 26, 2009 - 06:29 ET by motherbeltI will say that about him, as I would about anyone who dies.
But I won't be wailing over the imminent demise of my country, nor hailing him as the be-all and end-all of it, either.
I will keep my TV off the news channels for the rest of the week, in order to avoid our esteemed "journalists" doing exactly that.
Jeez, if they did 24-hour reporting on the death of JFK Jr, and Michael Jackson, this will certainly be an orgy of grief.
However I do hope that we here are will act better than the KosKids and DUmmies would do for a conservative, and will not spend the day heaping scorn upon him and/or Kennedys in general.
TEDDY K....MY AUGUST 8th POST
August 26, 2009 - 07:06 ET by reelman46TEDDY K: MEDIA ANAL POISONING AHEAD (Aug 8 post)
Probably
in 2009 one of the worst moral midgets of my generation will die. He
never worked a day in a real private job and thus became a lifelong pig
at the gov-meant trough of power. He was born with millions in his
trust fund yet claimed to completely understand poverty.
This man was a known serial offender on many fronts. He left a woman
to drown inside a car (he was driving) in less than 5 feet of water.
She was trapped in the car while he made CYA calls before calling the
police. His family power made sure there was no normal sequence of
investigation or an autopsy. He was a well known skirt chaser and
boozer. He claimed to be a catholic yet always voted for
abortion…decade after decade. He pushed eco-wacko stuff but fought
windmills near where he stayed. He paid for another student to take his
test in college.
He pushed secular socialism at every turn with vicious distorted rants (not reason or logic-based) against those that disagreed.
He trashed America with the usual democrat guilt trips, victim worship
and demon fears. For this he will be lionized as some sort of hero.
His brother JFK was a known serial adulterer who also went back on his word so Castro got Cuba.
Another Kennedy kin died flying at night when he was not certifed to do so.
The secular socialist clan of Kennedys paved the way for democrat
moral midgets like the Klintons to succeed because the fawning liberal
media gave them a pass year after year. The skeptical “media anal
exams” have become reserved for any conservative or Republican.
Hence, here we are in a cultural Oz.
Now Teddy wants the state law changed for political reasons to
quickly get a successor on his throne. As usual, the voters are never
to be trusted, even in Kookatushetts. His very name was arrogance…at
least until Obama came along. Records are made to be broken they say.
Imagine for a minute if the above post described any non-liberal
member of congress…imagine. This too is yet another indication of the
state of our political culture and the network media. Expect hours of
TV worship for Teddy. What does that tell you about American media
values?
Is it any wonder more and more thinking people realize “Liberalism is a mental disorder”?
Update: Teddy K died August 25, 2009.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
R.I.P.
August 26, 2009 - 09:26 ET by ptsonMaryJo Kopechne, Rest in Peace. Teddy, good luck in hell!
Not too sympathetic...
August 26, 2009 - 05:54 ET by P. Aaron...no man is bigger than the country, or the law. The Media and political allies allowed Kennedy to hide behind the tragic legacy of JFK. Somehow thinking and hoping that something 'magical' or similar would befall Ted Kennedy.
Yeah, he got elected, and he has a family that loves him, but there's nothing remotely patriotic or virtuous about being a "liberal' in a law-making body attempting to circumvent a nation of laws, that otherwise allows all men to be free and equal, rather than provide extreraneous circumstances for some.
BE a liberal; fine. Just don't do it where it also affects my liberties, or Mary Jo's.
The Man
August 26, 2009 - 06:01 ET by jacktheripperspent way too long in politics,never had a real job,lived on the coat tails of a tainted family name drank way too much (guilt?)and LEFT A WOMAN TO DROWN !!! no sympathy here.
can't wait for the week long eulogy and praises ad nauseum
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can
bribe the people with their own money." – Alexis de Tocqueville
I was sickened to see MY flag at half-mast to honor a KILLER.
August 27, 2009 - 19:52 ET by TailgunnerI believe every American flag that was forced to fly at half mast to honor a killer without honor should be taken down, removed to the nearest VFW and burned with the appropriate ceremony to wash out the stain of its humiliation.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Politization of Kennedy's death
August 26, 2009 - 06:03 ET by ThisnThatAnd who was first to make his death political? Pelosi, of course. She immediately linked his death to "passing health care reform this year".
Wonder how long she's had that line prepared, just waiting on news of his death? And why couldn't she simply say something nice, like all the Republicans are doing?
Liberals are agenda-driven, through-and-through. Nothing else matters -- nothing.
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"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT
Liberals are agenda-driven,
August 26, 2009 - 06:26 ET by motherbeltLiberals are agenda-driven, through-and-through. Nothing else matters -- nothing.
You've got that right, T....Her Speakerness shamed herself. Again.
No class, all a$$.
Not an atom of shame in her body.
I guess now we are morally obliged to live under government-run health care, because that was Uncle Teddy's wish for us.
May God
August 26, 2009 - 06:08 ET by kilrodMay God have Mercy on his soul.
kilrod
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
No Sympathy Here
August 26, 2009 - 06:16 ET by Tom in NCI cannot and will not feel any sympathy for Ted Kennedy, here's a man that while drunk drove a car off of a bridge, who managed to get out but left his passenger Mary Jo Kopechne to drown. A man who through his votes in the Senate and his ideology is responsible for millions of babies deaths in the womb by the grisley practice of abortion. A man who tried and did cover up rapes performed by other members of the Kennedy family.
No, you won't get any sympathy from me, in fact having him assume room temperature is only partial payback for all the lives he has destroyed over his lifetime.
Man, my whole life there was
August 26, 2009 - 06:22 ET by gopsteveMan, my whole life there was a senator ted!
Here Here Tom
August 26, 2009 - 06:20 ET by nyyankee55Well put Tom- the whole Kennedy clan are a bunch of scumbags
The One
August 26, 2009 - 06:22 ET by nyyankee55The One was close by why don't they just call him and have him raise Kennedy from the dead. He can just walk on the water from Martha's Vineyard to Hyannis
Normally I have pretty
August 26, 2009 - 06:28 ET by ncstevemNormally I have pretty strong opinions in matters of religion and politics. Kennedy's death leaves me with mixed thoughts. Five years ago I'd be agreeing with Tom in a big way.
Having become more serious about my Catholic Faith over that time, I have become more sympathetic to the idea that we should wish for God's mercy on all souls.
I see a lot of "rot in
August 26, 2009 - 14:03 ET by Tim the EnchanterI see a lot of "rot in Hell" comments on this thread. Many of these, I'm sure, are made by people who have not really meditated on the realities of Hell. I would suggest that all should read St. Alphonsus Liguori's meditation on Hell. I guarantee that after reading, you will never wish that ANYONE goes to Hell; that you will hope and pray that the mercy of Almighty God was able to touch that soul in time to save it.
Remember, mankind, that we are all brothers and sisters. Do not wish evil upon your enemies, but pray for them, as the Son of God admonished us. Remember this line from the Lord's Prayer: "And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." In other words, we are asking God to treat us the same way that we treat others. Be careful what you ask for.
Tim - I heard a pretty
August 26, 2009 - 15:40 ET by ncstevemTim - I heard a pretty sobering sermon from a priest recently. He asked us laymen to imagine what a soul must be thinking for the first 10 seconds after our Lord has comdemned him (or her) to Hell. For eternity.
I'm a pretty black & white / cut & dry type of guy but that statement really had an impact on me.
May he receive his just rewards.
August 26, 2009 - 06:28 ET by BlueCat57May he receive his just rewards. He deserves many.
So another liberal dies.
August 26, 2009 - 06:30 ET by black47211So another liberal dies. Big Fat Hairy Deal. People die all the time, daily, minute-by-minute. (Like the abortions done with the blessings, empowerment, and inspiration of the Democratic Party.)
Two seconds after he passed, Ed faced the God I worship. There's no turning back now, Ed. Mary Jo's blood cries from the water.
www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
~pelicanmarsh/CT Patriot/dborschjr68/black47211
August 26, 2009 - 07:10 ET by choselife3xWhat happened to leaving NB......again? And WHY are you using a new account when your dborschjr account is still active?
**choselife3x
April 30, 2009 - 12:33 ET by pelicanmarsh
I gladly confess to anyone reading that I was here originally under the screen-name of dborschjr68, absolutely.
Go back to Kos and HuffPo, dirtball. And thanks for taking your picture off your profile. It was....creepy.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
R.I.P.
August 26, 2009 - 06:50 ET by richb313My Sympathy goes out to his family and friends. I did not support Ted Kennedy or his programs but this is not about that. A man has died leaving a huge hole to fill for his family and friends. There will be vultures enough on both sides of the political spectrum trying to take advantage of his passing.
For those of you that take this opportunity to vent and spew I can only have pity on you as you have shown you have no empathy at all. I hope that you that take this particular time to vent remember that by doing so you do yourself harm. Karma has a funny way of getting everyone.
I completely agree - it is a stunning response from the same
August 26, 2009 - 06:55 ET by Sir Thomaspeople who cried foul over the left-wing's reaction to the death of Tony Snow. This blog is an embarrassment to Newsbusters. RIP Senator Kennedy.
Ted killed a woman, SIr Thomas.
August 26, 2009 - 07:09 ET by ArchConservativeHey how does it feel? Yea you guys sent "Welcome to Hell, Tony" letters and filled the HuffPo with nasty vile things. You wished (and still do) death on GWB.
Ted murdered a woman in case you don't remember. With his own car and with his own smugness and elitism he let her sit on the dark murky bottom under that bridge and didn't care. He never took responsibility. He should be mourned by his family but we will give you guys the same respect you gave Tony Snow: None.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
It's not so much that I don't remember; rather, that I believe
August 26, 2009 - 07:17 ET by Sir Thomasin the judicial process, as opposed to some odious nobody playing judge and jury from behind his computer. RIP Senator Kennedy.
"... I believe in the judicial process..."
August 26, 2009 - 08:17 ET by Indiana JoeWas there a "judicial process" in re the Chappaquidick "incident?" Was Senator Kennedy charged with, and then acquitted of, drunken driving? Or maybe vehicular manslaughter? Was there even an autopsy performed to determine the cause of death? Did he receive a ticket for parking underwater? Or failing to report the incident until the following morning?
Nope. It was totally white-washed by his powerful family. That's a historical fact.
I'm not here to trash Ted Kennedy. I don't see any real "trashing" going on, just reminders of what he was and did in life. But your comment about "the judicial process" was so lame, I couldn't resist a little flaming.
And just btw, since you really and truly "believe in the judicial process," I presume you totally agree with the SCOTUS decision of 2000 in Bush vs. Gore (or vice-versa, I forget). Because there was a lot more "process" there than Chappaquidick ever got.
Cheers.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
You are obviously poorly informed on the aftermath of the
August 26, 2009 - 08:33 ET by Sir ThomasChappaquiddick incident, but I expect no more. Do I believe that the decision of the SCOTUS in 2000 should have been binding? Absolutely. It would be unwise for me to say that I agree or disagree with the decision; I am not a legal scholar, have no qualifications in the area, and cannot hope to be as well informed as the relevant justices on the nuances of the case. Unlike many (including here), however, I do not pretend otherwise.
Well, "Sir Thomas," inform
August 26, 2009 - 08:51 ET by Indiana JoeWell, "Sir Thomas," inform me. I asked you relevant questions regarding the "judicial process." Do you have any answers, or just your blanket accusation that I am "poorly informed?"
How do you know how informed I am, on any topic? You, on the other hand, demonstrate your lack of information by avoiding those very relevant questions. Do your own research, you might learn something.
Enjoy.
"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1
With respect, it is quite clear how informed you are (not very).
August 26, 2009 - 09:22 ET by Sir Thomasn/m
ANSWER HIS QUESTION, YOU
August 26, 2009 - 10:01 ET by bretzysdudeANSWER HIS QUESTION, YOU SPINELESS COWARD!
If he does, it will be another superior-sounding platitude
August 26, 2009 - 10:13 ET by SickofLibsIf he does, it will be another superior-sounding platitude
Are you SickofSuperiorSoundingPlatitudes?
August 26, 2009 - 10:22 ET by Sir Thomasn/m.
Sir Thomas: The Kennedys were abusers of women
August 26, 2009 - 13:18 ET by ArchConservativeIt doesn't matter how you try to jump around the truth: Ted Kennedy was a murderer. He should be remembered as such. His family name and power and influence and money kept him out of prison and in the Senate for a good majority of his life.
He made a repuation for being against US interests. On issues of national defense he was this country's worst enemy. On issues regarding women, that whole family was nothing but a bunch of cheating, lying, and abusers of women. Why do you think that the Kennedy "Compound" got it's reputation? That's your Camelot. His father was such a supporter of Hitler that FDR had to recall him as ambassador.
JFK and RFK spied and eavesdropped ILLEGALLY on MLK, Jr. but yet they are thought of as heroes in your party.
It really doesn't matter what you think happened on that bridge so long ago. The truth does. The truth is that he was drunk, he killed a young woman and he never was made to pay for his actions.
JasonC said that he left it up to the voters. Now that's a coward's way out. If he were to have taken full responsibility he would have withdrawn from the Senate and plead guilty to manslaughter. That's all Teddy K was and is: a coward. A coward who took the life a woman that he could not have cared less about.
Not only that he was drunk when he ran off the bridge in the first place. His actions led directly to her death. It also doesn't matter that she would have died within minutes anyways because he didn't even bother reporting the accident until the next day. Surrounded by his family, he was told how to act and what to say and do.
In the end, I will say it again: I will give him the same respect that your side gave George W. Bush: None.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
I'm sorry, but reading this post makes me believe that you do
August 26, 2009 - 13:45 ET by Sir Thomasnot understand the difference between murder and manslaughter. You charge Kennedy to have been a murderer, but later assert that he should have pled guilty to manslaughter. If he was a murderer, he should have confessed himself to be a murderer. Or are you conflating murder and manslaughter?
He's a Kennedy, it would
August 26, 2009 - 13:48 ET by MightyMouthHe's a Kennedy, it would have got knocked down to jaywalking!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
LMAO Mighty... ...or just
August 26, 2009 - 20:40 ET by bigtimerLMAO Mighty...
...or just a little Joy-Riding dontcha know.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
ST, I was going on JasonC's
August 26, 2009 - 14:21 ET by ArchConservativeST, I was going on JasonC's comment that manslaughter would have been the appropriate charge. I do stand by the fact that I think Teddy did murder Mary Jo. I do understand the difference by the way, and the fact remains that he skated out any charge that would have put him behind bars.
If he would have been any normal person, and not "royalty", he would have done time and would have had to pay for his actions.
I just hope that his legacy is forever tainted by that incident and that future generations of Democrats distance themselves from him. But, have no fear, you still have a Grand Kleagle of the KKK (former) serving your Democrat interests. I wonder how you're going to fondly remember Sen. Byrd.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
I'm quite sure that you spent many hours, days, weeks,
August 26, 2009 - 14:42 ET by Sir Thomasand months studying the case before reaching that conclusion. You, more than most people, know what happened on that night (in your own head). I'm sure it has nothing to do with Kennedy's politics. I'm sure that had he been a hardcore conservative you would, today, be arguing him to have been a murderer.
If he were a "hardcore
August 26, 2009 - 14:45 ET by MightyMouthIf he were a "hardcore conservative" his political career would have been over that very night!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Two points where you are
August 26, 2009 - 16:13 ET by ArchConservativeTwo points where you are wrong...again. If he was a conservative and murdered a young woman, no, I would not lionize him like you and the Left are today. We conservatives don't do that, but you have no idea because you know nothing about us.
The other point is, yes, as a student of history I did study that event and I have some legal background and law enforcement background that have led me to my conclusions.
Did you write on HuffPo or DailyKos and yell at your own when they wished death on Tony Snow and said that he deserved to go to hell because he worked for the Bush Administration? Did you make this big an effort to tell people on your side of aisle to wish him and his family peace or say R.I.P. Mr Snow? Show me the posts if you did.
Yes, Mr Kennedy's politics were the exact opposite of my own. But that's not why I didn't respect him. I had no respect for him because of the way he conducted himself and his hyprocrisy on everything from energy (he was for windmills, but not where he lived) to women (was for equal rights but he and his family treated women very poorly). So he spent decades in the senate; who cares? That doesn't make him someone to respect. He did nothing to earn respect. The MSM can fawn and cry all they want but at the end of the day, he will be linked to Mary Jo. That will be his legacy.
You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.
Obama: Not my President. Ever.
And it is obvious that you
August 26, 2009 - 11:31 ET by Scuba DudeAnd it is obvious that you cannot answer a simple question. Education has failed you. Please go back to the 5th grade and repeat.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
Presumably you'd be one of my classmates?
August 26, 2009 - 11:39 ET by Sir ThomasI have answered all of the relevant, non-rhetorical questions. It is up to you and others whether you now undertake the relevant research.
You have not answered
August 26, 2009 - 12:06 ET by Scuba DudeYou have not answered Indiana Joe's question. And by not answering, you are showing more and more that you are a fool.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
I informed him that he appeared ignorant of events after
August 26, 2009 - 12:16 ET by Sir ThomasChappaquiddick; thus, he (and you) should go and investigate. JasonC (posting below) has been far kinder than I have, and has actually done some of the work for you.
Apparently, you have yet to
August 26, 2009 - 16:32 ET by fitzfongApparently, you have yet to learn how this rhetoric thing works. You started off with an obnoxious, declarative statement of "fact" ("You are obviously poorly informed") without the slightest hint of support. Then, when challenged to back up your statement with some actual evidence, you erroneously concluded that it was the challenger's responsibility to debunk the statement rather than your responsibility to produce support for it. In other words, you punted. Allow me to educate you on credibilty (since you seem to require the assistance): when you make a declaration of fact without attribution, the burden for producing supporting evidence rests with you. Now, tell us where Indiana Joe is "obviously poorly informed"...if you can.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Characteristically you huff and puff your way to a
August 26, 2009 - 17:14 ET by Sir Thomasnon-observation. It was asserted by IJ that there was no legal process after Chappaquiddick, an argument which is demonstrably false. JasonC has described it below, but in largely vague terms. To suggest, however, that Kennedy was whitewashed in the event's aftermath is ridiculous to anyone who has studied the history. I'm sure this is alien to you but, should you wish to try something new, information is out there, and it can be read by you.
Characteristically, you
August 26, 2009 - 18:02 ET by fitzfongCharacteristically, you fail to back up your claims with anything resembling evidence. Instead, you double down on your stupidity by creating weak straw men and by attaching to JasonC's arguments like the parasite you are. Do you even know what JasonC wrote, or (as I suspect), are you simply willing to have your "argument" amount to "Uh, yeah. What JasonC said. Infinity!"? JasonC has consistently demonstrated at least a familiarity with factual support...even if I don't always agree with his interpretations. You, on the other hand, are a pretender. You cloak your obvious ignorance in a perversely self-confident bluster in a fruitless attempt to create the impression that you're not the intellectual lightweight I know that you are. Give it up, "Sir" Thomas. You fool no one...except maybe yourself.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Yes, well, your post starts badly; it tails off a little in the
August 26, 2009 - 19:53 ET by Sir Thomasmiddle; and the less said about the end the better; but other than that, it was a splendid read. I take it that you, too, know nothing of the process of events after Chappaquiddick? Indeed, once more, all that you have demonstrated is your (rather disturbing) obsession with my intellect. We've had this discussion before, remember? The pattern, now, is well established: I post something on topic, and then you blather your way through a hissy fit along the lines of "yeah...well you're just soooo stupid, yeah?!" One can only infer a desperate sense of insecurity and inferiority from your pathological concern with my intelligence. Lord knows, it appears well-merited.
I take it that you, too,
August 26, 2009 - 21:59 ET by fitzfongI take it that you, too, know nothing of the process of events after Chappaquiddick?
Try me. What would you like to know?
While we're at it, do you know anything about the process of events after Chappaquidick? So far, all you have presented is a declaration that you seem to believe stands on its own as "settled fact". When challenged to present support for your declaration, you evade the question entirely, suggest that it is our responsibility to chase down and find sufficient evidence "confirming" the accuracy of your allegation (because, after all, it's "out there" to be found...of course, so is information that debunks, or at the very least, disputes, your position) and, perhaps most pathetic of all, you use someone else's thoughtful analysis as a substitute for your own because you've been too lazy to cite your sources. That's known as plagiarism.
Let's get something straight: we, who voluntarily indulge you by responding to your infantile posts, actually must lower ourselves to do so. It should be satisfying enough for us to watch the stupidity of your comments speak for itself...but sometimes it's quite cathartic to publicly dismantle someone as simultaneously ignorant and arrogant as you.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
On the growing list of evidence for your buffoonery, I shall
August 27, 2009 - 04:20 ET by Sir Thomasbe sure to add your misunderstanding of the word 'plagiarism'. You do realise it involves attempting to pass someone else's ideas off as one's own, don't you? Laughably, it must be the one thing - more than anyone else on the blog - that I have not done; but why let facts get in the way of a misinformed rant? Moreover, to suggest engaging in sensible discussion with people who would take no interest in it if it put on some make-up and a tutu is predictably cretinous. Ultimately, typing 'Newsbusters' into the search box is a fairly demeaning process; but the opportunity to laugh at, and mock, dimwits like you shall long remain a guilty pleasure.
Correct: typing 'Newsbusters' in a search box IS demeaning
August 27, 2009 - 05:57 ET by SickofLibs... and dimwitted. Try that new thing called 'bookmark' instead. We cretins stumbled upon that simple solution that many years ago.
Is that because you were SickofSearchBoxes?
August 27, 2009 - 06:25 ET by Sir Thomasn/m.
Oh man, you are quite the
August 27, 2009 - 07:25 ET by dvdaughtryOh man, you are quite the funny guy on here!
SickofSearch! That's a play on SickofLibs right? Oh, stop it! you're killing me!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
You do realise it involves
August 27, 2009 - 10:51 ET by fitzfongYou do realise it involves attempting to pass someone else's ideas off as one's own, don't you?
Which is exactly what you did.
Moreover, to suggest engaging in sensible discussion with people who would take no interest in it if it put on some make-up and a tutu is predictably cretinous.
While you were busy trying to dig up five cent words (impressing nobody but yourself) to complete your "thought", did you ever consider reading back the sentence to determine whether or not it was even coherent? Apparently not.
Ultimately, typing 'Newsbusters' into the search box is a fairly demeaning process; but the opportunity to laugh at, and mock, dimwits like you shall long remain a guilty pleasure.
Here's a friendly tip: when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Your boast about laughing at and mocking "dimwits" like me is simply that...a boast. Why? Because you have exhibited time and time again that you are not credible. You are a laughingstock. Have you noticed that nobody (including liberals) is jumping to your defense? Does that meant that no liberals are posting here? Hardly...just look at this thread, you'll see that several reliably liberal posters have commented and argued their points on this subject. But somehow, none of them have jumped in to support you. Why's that? Causes draw strength from numbers, right? Yet the liberals would rather go it alone than have to drag your sorry ass. That's right, "sir". You're a liability. You diminish your ideology with the depth of your stupidity. You make easy target practice for people like me, but you poison liberals with your taint. Patton is said to have expressed a preference for having the German Army in front of him as opposed to the French Army behind him...I sense our resident liberals would rather face the most formidable conservatives on their own than to carry dead weight like you. But feel free to troll on, Buster Bluth.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Look out, FitzThong has thrown another wobbly! Swatting away
August 27, 2009 - 12:17 ET by Sir Thomasyour pathetic arguments is laughably easy, but for the record: the plagiarism charge is absurd (presumably that's why you have fairly raced past it, yes?); the sentence is coherent (though you are forgiven - there are some big words in there: 'engaging', 'predictably', 'it'); and...oh...is there an argument in that last diatribe? Or are you just throwing random words together to meet your minimum sentence quota? Either way, if you wish to dish out lectures on coherence, you had best get the basic rights. "Does that meant that no liberals are posting here?" Oh dear. Where's mom when you need a proof-reader?
~Classy
August 27, 2009 - 12:24 ET by choselife3xyou had best get the basic rights.
Proof-read much?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
No, but then I wasn't lecturing on coherence. I have put in all
August 27, 2009 - 12:34 ET by Sir Thomasthe effort that the readers deserve (not much). Incidentally, I had been told that to focus on such things suggested a distinct lack of substance to what one was saying. Indeed, it may well have been FitzThong that gave me said lecture.
~Lack of substance
August 27, 2009 - 13:43 ET by choselife3xDescribes your posts very well.
Either way, if you wish to dish out lectures on coherence, you had best
get the basic rights. "Does that meant that no liberals are posting
here?" Oh dear. Where's mom when you need a proof-reader?
How ironic. Your blog sucks, btw.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Oh, I get it now. You're
August 27, 2009 - 13:46 ET by fitzfongOh, I get it now. You're not going to educate yourself on the facts because we don't deserve the benefit of the knowledge you will eventually acquire. I believe that's the same line of reasoning the Democrats are employing in their refusal to read the health insurance and "cap-and-trade" bills before voting for them. I didn't think it was possible, but you're even less credible and more ridiculous than before.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Swatting away your pathetic
August 27, 2009 - 13:31 ET by fitzfongSwatting away your pathetic arguments is laughably easy
Really? Then why have you never been able to do so? Face it, loser, you're incapable of producing anything of substance, but you simply starve for attention. You've never presented an actual argument on this site, just a parade of non sequiturs designed to inflame. When challenged to produce support, you do everything possible to avoid answering the question. Change the subject, deflect, deflect, deflect. You have never addressed the original point of discussion (your repeated failure to elaborate on how Indiana Joe is "obviously poorly informed") because, be honest for once in your life, YOU CAN'T. Do you think that if you create random disruptions and misdirection attempts to dance around the original question that we'll somehow forget what you wrote...and that time and distance will let you off the hook? Sorry, bub, it ain't going to happen. So, "sir", the ball's in your court. Are you going to answer for or clarify your statement about Indiana Joe being "obviously poorly informed"? Or, as we've come to expect, are you going to beg off like the coward you are? Put up or shut up.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
You make me laugh. The method by which you (attempt to)
August 27, 2009 - 16:15 ET by Sir Thomasappear hard-hitting in debate, is to ask the same question repeatedly, whether you receive an answer for it or not. It is akin to me saying to you "would you like a carrot", you replying "yes", and then me saying "yes, but would you like a carrot?". I have responded, several posts above, that IJ is poorly informed, because he asserted that there was no serious legal process after Chappaquiddick, and there clearly was. Now, if you'd like me to rehash the proof that JasonC has laid out below then I will; but those are the facts. I cannot invent a new set of facts to avoid you wailing that I have merely copied him. You also seem to have gone rather quiet on the plagiarism issue. Of course, it would be easy to prove my lack of substance by directly addressing the specifics of the argument, rather than gratifying your rather disturbing infatuation with me, but you are yet to show yourself capable of such.
The reason I ask you the
August 27, 2009 - 17:45 ET by fitzfongThe reason I ask you the same question repeatedly is because you never answer it.
I have responded, several posts above, that IJ is poorly informed, because he asserted that there was no serious legal process after Chappaquiddick, and there clearly was.
That's not an answer to the question, and you know it. That's a weak attempt to avoid the question by giving a non-specific, unsupported response as a substitute for an actual answer. So, OK, let's play it your way. Let's pretend that your intentionally deceptive response actually constituted an answer...I have a follow-up challenge for you. You claim that there "clearly was" a "serious legal process" in the wake of Chappaquiddick. Prove it. Or, if that sounds a little too difficult, define what "clearly" constitutes a "serious legal process" to "sir" Thomas. How does what happened to Ted Kennedy in the aftermath of Chappaquiddick rise to the level of "clearly" a "serious legal process"? What is the threshhold, the minimum standard for what passes for "clearly" a "serious legal process" in your mind? And make sure you do your own work...no copying off Jason. Obviously he does not appreciate your taking credit for his work...something that you've now attempted to do twice on this thread.
As far as your lame attempt to erroneously claim that I've evaded the plagiarism accusation, I buried you on that issue, and you know it. So, let me put it another way for you so that I'm perfectly clear: When you present someone else's work/analysis not as support, but as a substitute for your own, YOU ARE A PLAGIARIST. Nobody is interested in your copying off Jason's work as "your" answer to a question directed at you. In case you've forgotten, I asked you earlier what you knew about the legal process in the aftermath of Chappaquiddick. I would have expected that you would have provided an answer IN YOUR OWN WORDS. This is the test educators usually give students they suspect of cheating. When the student fails that test, it leaves the unmistakable impression that the student is merely using someone else's words to complete the assignment...not to learn anything from said assignment. So far, you have shown only a willingness to copy someone else's work and use it as a substitute for your own. That makes you a plagiarist...as if you didn't already know that. Cheater.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Yet again, you avoid any involvement with the
August 27, 2009 - 18:04 ET by Sir Thomasquestion yourself, whatsoever. Be honest, all these little challenges for me (as though we are engaged in some form of bizarre role reversal, in which you are the authority) is a mask for your own ignorance, isn't it? I'm not going to lower myself to simply responding to your tawdry questions one after the other (that is, unless, you ever do the same?), as though I have something to prove to such an ill-informed oaf. For what it is worth, when someone makes an accusation which asserts that the process was a whitewash, the burden of proof is upon them. And, I should say, you continue to remain ignorant on the topic of plagiarism. What you have said would be applicable were it that JasonC had presented anything beyond that which qualified as "common knowledge" within the field, or if I had quoted (or come close to quoting) him without acknowedgement. His (unoriginal) work was cited, by me, as a point of reference for the reader. You are not aware of these nuances because you are essentially cretinous.
Get off the forum, ya big dope.
August 27, 2009 - 19:11 ET by TailgunnerPal, you're so full of bullshit that we could give you an enema and fit what's left into a matchbox.
'I'm not going to lower myself to simply responding to your tawdry questions one after the other (that is, unless, you ever do the same?), as though I have something to prove to such an ill-informed oaf.'
You're an ignorant and arrogant little punk. That's all you are, and that's all you ever will be.
Get out of the way and let the grownups run the forum.
Punk.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
How pathetic and lazy can
August 27, 2009 - 19:19 ET by fitzfongHow pathetic and lazy can you be? Your "defense" against an open-and-shut case of your own plagiarism is that you didn't steal from Jason, rather Jason presented what you define as "common knowledge" "within the field" and therefore, your use is not plagiarism. Weak.
First of all, since when have you been the judge in defining what is "common knowledge"? You have no established credibility on the subject...that you would expect anyone to accept an assertion of "common knowledge" on your say-so is frankly ludicrous, if unsurprising given your history of short-cutting and general laziness. Besides, it seems that Jason presented opinions and interpretations as much as he presented bona fide facts with regard to this case.
Oh, and your shoe-horning the use of "within the field" will not go unnoticed, either. That is just sad. What's next under your sleeve? "Experts" say? A "concensus" has spoken? By the way, what "field" has dispensed this "common knowledge"? Face it, you don't have the ability to argue a case, so when you got caught red-handed trying to pass off someone else's work as your own, your only remaining sanctuary was a limp straw man argument. And let's get something straight: you were the one that made the "common knowledge" statement of fact in the first place...without producing any support for your claims. It is therefore your responsibility to produce the evidence when challenged or get called on your bulls***. I call bulls*** on you. If you think you can trip me up on the facts of the case, come and have a go. But if you think that I'm going to simply go away before you've proven your case or surrendered, you're greatly mistaken. I like humiliating frauds. You "sir", are a fraud...but I don't need to work too hard humiliating you, you do a pretty good job of that on your own.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
fitz
August 27, 2009 - 19:30 ET by BlondeIn the immortal words of our long lost troll JoZeF....it will go something like this:
Without sources, without attibution. And so on. Typically trolling tripe.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde, It just occurred
August 27, 2009 - 21:15 ET by fitzfongBlonde,
It just occurred to me who this clown is. Some time ago, he ran his mouth about Vicente Fox on the Bill Maher Show. I handed him his ass, and he disappeared only to resurface on this thread. Holy cr**, he's a glutton for punishment.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
That's gold, fitz
August 28, 2009 - 13:32 ET by BlondePure glittering gold.
I hope he fails, too.
You ******* Mug. The notion of "common knowledge", as relates to
August 27, 2009 - 20:02 ET by Sir Thomasplagiarism, is not some hazy, throw away, term invented by me. It defines a fact that can be widely found within sources which relate to a subject. Don't believe me? Do what I did (but which won't sit comfortably with you): look it up. It might help you to understand why (if you had ever read such) you do not find every significant statement in an academic book or article to be referenced. Much though I regret to say it, if you had an educational background of any note, you would be familiar with such concepts. Instead, your misinterpretation, not only of that term, but of all the other terms I used, does nothing more than to re-emphasise your rampant idiocy.
wow
August 27, 2009 - 20:11 ET by katainkentSterling's oh-so slightly more evil twin. Welcome to NB.
___________________________________________
"Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller" Barack Obama (Dr. In Chief)
Oh, yeah. Now I remember
August 27, 2009 - 21:09 ET by fitzfongOh, yeah. Now I remember you. You were that smug a**hole from a couple of years ago who claimed to have a superior intellect and education, yet didn't have clue what a pronoun is. I recall leaving your sad, humilated carcass on the side of the rhetorical road to get picked clean by the rest of the NB vultures.
For all the education you pretend to have, you must have had one hell of a tough time in debate class. You present no original thoughts, just overconfident platitudes that you can't back up with evidence. At the first sight of a challenge to your statements, you question the intelligence of those who rightly put you on the spot, then you try to piggyback on the words of others as fully representative of your "original" thoughts. When you are subsequently exposed as a fraud for such a representation, you try to play semantic games with the word "plagiarism" (only exhibiting that either you don't know what the word means or that you do know what it means and are only attempting this scam as a distraction and a defense mechanism), then pretend that it is my obligation to do your research work for you. Worst of all, when you have nowhere else to go because you can't articulate Jason's work in your own words, you concoct the saddest of straw man arguments with your pathetic "common knowledge" verbal gymnastics exercise. You're in over your head. You have nothing to contribute, and you're making an absolute fool of yourself. And deep down, I think you know it.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Shut up, punk.
August 29, 2009 - 11:01 ET by TailgunnerSpare us your attempts to feign erudition by robbing Wiktionary, running the words through a blender, and posting the result as convoluted, meaningless crap.
You probably get nosebleed a lot from having your damn nose so far in the air that airline pilots use it for a navigational reference.
I thought we checked ID before we let someone on this forum? Guess I was mistaken.
We should be asking for IQ cards.
Punk.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Shut up, punk.
August 27, 2009 - 19:36 ET by TailgunnerAll you got is pseudosophisticated morally superior bullshit.
Punk.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Too much credit
August 27, 2009 - 19:43 ET by general companyHe hasnt anything
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I hate to argue with the
August 26, 2009 - 19:47 ET by JasonCI hate to argue with the one person that agrees with me/rides my coattails, but you, 'Sir,' have just been owned by Fitz. Buck up and provide your own arguments next time so I don't have to do your work for you.
Please, don't flatter yourself. You did half a job; though, to
August 26, 2009 - 19:52 ET by Sir Thomasyour credit, you are presenting a sane argument to a collection of wingnuts: an exhausting and thankless task.
I swear, if I have to read
August 26, 2009 - 19:55 ET by JasonCI swear, if I have to read one more of your posts, I'm just going to turn conservative.
~Come on over, baby!
August 26, 2009 - 20:29 ET by choselife3xThe water's fine!
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Assholes of the world, you too can rise above the foam
August 26, 2009 - 20:39 ET by SickofLibs"I have studied aforementioned case history and associated percataneous legal documents and rubiconicusses, and have rendered my verdict in non-vague terms:
No whitewash occurred.
Now I must go powder my wig for the next case."
How about some less
August 26, 2009 - 12:02 ET by JasonCHow about some less sensationalistic-than-usual facts about Chappaquiddick:
All autopsy reports indicated that Kopechne died from drowning, and nothing more. It takes approx. 3 minutes to die this way. If Kennedy was unable to save her himself, going to get help from the authorities - no quick or easy task on Chappaquiddick Island in the middle of the night - wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. While his post-accident behavior was bizarre and no particularly gallant, it was not the difference between life and death.
Possibly explaining said post-accident behavior (or not), Kennedy himself suffered a concussion in the accident. If you've ever had one, you know that your behavior immediately following it is erratic and irrational.
Nope. It was totally white-washed by his powerful family. That's a historical fact.
This is simply untrue, a fun little canard that the right has used to attempt to discredit Kennedy at every turn.
Kennedy was charged with leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. He pled guilty.
Kennedy held a press conference in which he claimed full responsibility and acknowledged that it was up to Massachusetts voters to determine if he had betrayed their trust to much to continue as senator. I think we all know what the voters decided about that.
A state supreme court inquest was held, resulting in a 763-page report. The possibility of charging Kennedy with manslaughter was considered.
And finally, to say that the incident was "whitewashed" is disingenuous when everyone with even the faintest interest in political history is fully aware of the incident. Kennedy took responsibility personally and financially and went through the judicial process. It is not up to you to determine whether his family connections influenced any of these proceedings, unless you can produce transcripts and/or bank records demonstrating bribery or intimidation on the part of the Kennedy family.
The time for niceties ---
August 26, 2009 - 12:22 ET by misterbillyou are a liberal kiss ass!He is reponsible for her death--that's it. Go kiss another Kennedy's ass. There are still a few left.
Play nice misterbill or...
August 26, 2009 - 12:29 ET by vrwc13...he's coming for you...
v
In the sense that he was
August 26, 2009 - 12:36 ET by JasonCIn the sense that he was behind the wheel and was found (in the above-mentioned inquest) to have been driving too fast (20 mph) as he approached the bridge, yes he is responsible for it.
Actually, I find the Kennedy royalty phenomenon beyond sickening. Their mythology has never held any interest for me. But I never pass up an opportunity to shut down reckless conservative hyperbole, especially when it involves falsely accusing someone of 'murder' it was manslaughter at best in order to besmirch his professional legacy less than 24 hours after that person's death.
Thanks once again MisterB, for demonstrating your intellectual maturity and ability not to get carried away with emotion; after all, only libs do that, right?
Teel you what I think JasonC
August 26, 2009 - 17:41 ET by misterbillWhen your magic Messiah got elected, I was not happy. But having a giant edge over you in age experience and knowledge, I still thought, "well let's hope he does right by the country". He hasn't. Now to the "tell you what I think" part.
The Messiah is rubbing people the wrong way. He is wearing us out and wearing us down. Even a blind servant like you should be able to notice that in the past 3 /1/2 years, Misterbill and many other bloggers here have not been so testy, and/or, as in my case vulgar. My veneer of civilization is wearing off and only since your Messiah got into office. You cannot see the numbers of Communists on his staff?? I am not going to waste a lot more keystrokes on you. You are a silly fool and I believe you will see Americans dead in the streets before your "change" Messiah has finished his first term. You haven't lived long enough to know what real freedom is. You have been brainwashed.
Health care, stimulus, cap and trade, bowing to tyrants, apologizing for MY country. Everything he is proposing is being written for the administration by radical groups.
Screw you and my intellectual maturty too. You bet your ass I get carried away and more every day when I see what that bdipshit in the WH is trying to do to my country.
The time is now upon us to stand or fall. Everytime I see him look down his nose, I see Mussolini from the news films of yesteryear.
No Jason--I may get banned, but I would rather be banned than read the boot licking comments by fools like you.
I am carried away with emotion. I can't wait to see what carries you away.
And screw Ted Kennedy too!!!!! And his sycophants. Those of you who grovel at the feet of power and don not give a hoot for truth and justice. You are my enemies.
Haha, this is the second
August 26, 2009 - 19:43 ET by JasonCHaha, this is the second consecutive post to me this summer in which you've puffed out your chest and said something about "I might get banned, but...." No one cares, dude.
My intellectual maturity? I provided a post filled with facts and reasonable interpretations. I didn't jump to call a man a murderer based on the sketchiest of facts.
And sorry, but this whole "Obama has somehow managed to ruin the grand America of yesteryear" [in his first half of a year in office, no less] meme is exactly the sort of histrionic and pseudo-racist histrionics that makes the left laugh at all of the loudmouths who shriek their malformed opinions, synthesized from Rush, Hannity, and some paranoiac has-been from Alaska (her name escapes me), at townhall meetings.
I do not---
August 26, 2009 - 20:30 ET by misterbill-- listen to Hannity or Rush. I happened to have been born and raised in the Boston area. I was there when your hero let that girl die. I can unnderstand that he may have been too drunk to help her. I cannot understand how he put his political well being in front of the possibility of saving her life. He was a craven coward and an opportunist. And you and people like you become apologists for him. You are probably not old enough to have been around at the time.
Blind loyal sycophants.
Now I am going to watch a horror movie. Sort of continuing communication with you.
Golly
August 27, 2009 - 20:23 ET by JerGolly misterbill...
"liberal kiss ass"
"go kiss another Kennedy's ass"
"Communists on [Obama"s] staff"
"Americans dead in the streets"
"Screw you"
"Screw Ted Kennedy"
"boot-licking comments by fools like [Jason]"
"You are my enemies"
Rather incendiary remarks, wouldn't you say? Some might even accuse you of being a "contentious pain in the ass". Oh, wait just a minute. That's what you labeled me [for merely suggesting Hitler acted cowardly at the end]. Somehow your epithet isn't nearly so bothersome as before.
Jer
Indeed they are incendiary--
August 28, 2009 - 12:44 ET by misterbill-- openly admit that any veneer of civility I ever had has been scratched thin by you, Jason and your ilk.
I absolutely stand by --"communists on Obama's staff "
I do believe --"Americans dead in the streets"
Even a lib like you knows there are crazies on both sides tho you won't admit it.
I stand by bootlick no matter what the sin, the crime fools like you and will leap to the defense if the offender is a lib or a dem.
You are my enemies-- since BHO took over, any hopes I had that he might show some good traits have been blown away and I truly fear for America.
As to the rest--I have already confessed that the comments are rude---but --I am out of patience with what is happening and you defenders..
Proof PLEASE, misterbill...
August 28, 2009 - 20:27 ET by JerEven a lib like you knows there are crazies on both sides tho you won't admit it
the crime fools like you and will leap to the defense of the offender is a lib or a dem.
misterbill...I can't believe you would deliberately lie, so I won't accuse you of doing so. BUT YOU ARE PROFOUNDLY MISTAKEN. I have slammed liberals and defended conservatives countless times on NB threads. Again, check the archives. It is very troubling that you would make claims about me so utterly and demonstrably untrue.
Jer
Jer--
August 28, 2009 - 20:33 ET by misterbillI must have, in my frustration not read the post--I do not have a clue what the second line means and I guess I wrote it.
My intent was to illustrate that when I was in Boston ans Cahpp ahppened , you should have heard the excuses flying thorugh the air. I do not find you to beanything but truthful. But since today was abad day for me and old friends and friens=ds I have supported have turned agains t me and in each case to defned you and or shawn--I leave you to thm. I must say restless, blond . tail, I am surprise C3--no surprise ther.
I no longer feel welcome here since they obviously have chosen to support you==adios and tata!!!
C'mon misterbill... You
August 28, 2009 - 21:25 ET by JerC'mon misterbill...
You don't need to be going anywhere. You have many more fans at this site than I.
Remember our exhange of PMs last year? I was literally crying while reading about the enormous challenges you have faced in your lifetime--I was also reminiscing about my father and the hardships he had to overcome--and the emotions were so overwhelming I couldn't fully respond to your last message.
Later, I composed a lengthy PM to send to you--including a number of bible verses and inspirational quotations my mom had emailed me--only to discover that you had closed your PM availability.
But my respect for you had deepened to such a considerable degree after those exchanges that it was especially hurtful when you began taking unwarranted potshots at me--and frankly lodging accusations that were just not true. Before I left a few months ago, I posted one final plea, hoping you would read it and reconsider your comments. I waited for days in vain for a response [Dan the Man had already begun his "Jer Watch" with "why are you still here?" taunts.] But you didn't bother to reply.
Anyway, I guess that's why I'm a little sensitive about the whole issue of my "contentiousness", "intellectual dishonesty", etc. It's not who I am or what I am.
But, dammit, don't go anywhere. If I post at all, it will be very sporadic. And the value of your wisdom and life experiences is much too great to withhold from this website.
Jer
Good Freeken grief
August 28, 2009 - 21:31 ET by general companyWho would had guessed this would turn into a slush feast between 2 passionate posters who dare to dissagree? I'm going to bed!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Proving my points...
August 29, 2009 - 08:02 ET by Georgia GirlThis is exactly why both of you are valuable. I know what the heck I'm talking about -- neither Misterbill nor Jer should leave or be feeling "less than" from the other. Your views are often different, but you are both good guys & have valuable insights & good hearts, and anybody who does not think so can take it up with me! Yeah, I know, fear and trembling across the NB community. LOL. But I can be tough, so nobody pile on with this one, please. Don't mess with Georgia! Er, Texas. Close enough.;)If you both really knew each other, you'd be good friends. There is no doubt in my mind.
misterbill
August 28, 2009 - 20:35 ET by MrShy"As to the rest--I have already confessed that the comments are rude---but --I am out of patience with what is happening and you defenders."
I'm with you there.
And you're absolutely being real and straight forward, and telling it like it is and sticking to it. Real integrity. Aaaah, which reminds me of that great leader we *once* had... :(
Jer...please tell me you're not idolizing the killer...
August 28, 2009 - 14:23 ET by Tailgunner...of an innocent young woman who later used his political power to obstruct and escape justice.
And please tell me you're not nauseated by the outright fabrications of an upstanding life of courage, passion, integrity and morality led by this despicable felon.
And pleaase tell me that nothing a man does in his lifetime can wash away the stain of unpunished manslaughter and obstruction.
You're the only liberal on this forum I consider to have any amount of integrity and intellectual honesty.
This has to sicken you as much as it does me.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Tailgunner.... I am not
August 28, 2009 - 19:31 ET by JerTailgunner....
I am not idolizing Kennedy. I do believe the unrelenting attacks here are excessive, and some are over-the-top. But I'm not defending Ted Kennedy--he was a deeply flawed human being, but one who I believe--after his marriage to Victoria--attempted to address, and with some success, redeem much of his earlier frailty.
That said, the reasons for my initial post to misterbill were two-fold: his inexcusable personal assault on Jason's character, as well as the irony of his demonstrably inflammatory comments in light of his former "contentious pain in the ass" accusation directed at me several months ago. My remarks were not intended to excuse or justify the well-documented incidents of Kennedy's egregiously reckless behavior.
And thank you very much for the compliment.
Jer
If Kennedy were a Republican I would have savaged him equally.
August 28, 2009 - 20:33 ET by TailgunnerThere are few actions that by themselves define a man's life; no matter what else he may 'accomplish', he is forever condemned by those acts.
Benedict Arnold is forever known as a traitor, despite his courage and military prowess.
Neville Chamberlain by many accounts was a genuinely decent and respected man before Munich. He even had the decency to resign when the full extent of his folly became public.
Ted Kennedy doesn't even have that going for him. He has nothing in his life, his character or his career that remotely compensates for Chappaquiddick.
Ted Kennedy killed a young woman, I'm personally certain while in a drunken haze, and afterward did everything humanly responsible to avoid responsibility.
In fact, Ted Kennedy to his dying day, even on his deathbed, never admitted guilt for the manslaughter of Mary Jo Kopechne.
He knew he was dying. There was plenty of time to make amends. What did he have to lose?
If Ted Kennedy had found the courage to at least apologize to the Kopechne family before he died, I could find something respectful to say about him.
But he remained a small, moral coward to the end.
Ted Kennedy will always be remembered to me and many others as nothing more than a killer.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, child molesters, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds
jer
August 28, 2009 - 16:26 ET by misterbillyou are a contentious pain in the ass. The only reason you are here is to challenge conservatives. This , in and of itself makes any person contentious--lucky me--it just happens to be you.....
Surely, in all the possible subjects dealing with politics there are things both sides agree with. I could never ever tell that from your posts.
Misterbill
August 28, 2009 - 19:39 ET by RESTLESS 1I, for one, often post my point of view on liberal websites, not to be contentious, as contentious acedes I may be wrong :), but to try to illuminate the other side. If Jer, or any other liberal, wants to come here and debate, I have no problem with that. Jer, among others, are liberals, yes, but trolls, no. They can see the fault of there arguments when warrented.
If we all just agreed with each other, this would be one boring site. Posters such as Jer come here knowing full well that they are the minority here, yet still engage. How many of us do the same?
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Restless-- not trying to prolong this silly situation but:
August 28, 2009 - 20:15 ET by misterbillWhen I first encountered JER I had not been at the site for a while. I had never heard of JER. I sat and spent an hour that day reading numerous posts to catch up. Jer's name was prominent -refuting almost every post. I thought to myself this fellow really is a challenge. Every blog--so I said he was a contentious
pain in the ass. This is what it means to me--do other people have a different meaning????
contentious
–adjective
1.
tending to argument or strife; quarrelsome: a contentious crew.
2.
causing, involving, or characterized by argument or controversy: contentious issues.
3.
Law. pertaining to causes between contending parties
REST1
August 28, 2009 - 20:27 ET by MrShyRestless, yes, very true about NB not becoming too much of an echo chamber, totally. And no, I don't do the brave thing that Jer, Jason, Bal, etc. do, of going on HuffPuff or DKos, but I think I don't because... well... I live in NYC!! :p So, I'm in a virtual/actual liberal blog world around here.
misterbill...
August 28, 2009 - 20:00 ET by JerThen you obviously have done remarkably little reading of my posts. You are wrong now, just as you were wrong when you precipitously inserted yourself into a contretemps about a year ago without first acquainting yourself with even a shred of the evidence. You finally admitted your indiscretion then. You should be man enough to do so again. I would suggest you spend a little time in the archives.
Jer
→ Jer
August 28, 2009 - 20:06 ET by Cool ArrowYou old hermit crab! When did you sneak back in here?
I was hoping you'd reappear again.
Welcome back.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Early release
August 28, 2009 - 20:12 ET by general companyOr hadnt you heard of Cali's prediciment. : ]
Welcome back Jer
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Thanks, general
August 28, 2009 - 20:30 ET by JerThanks, general company...
Jer
Cool... I've missed NB.
August 28, 2009 - 20:54 ET by JerCool...
I've missed NB. And I've missed the many, many members [you included, of course] whom I like and respect. [Hell, I even miss the likes of NL207 who delighted in intellectually toying with me every time (he perceived) he had the upper hand in a debate.] :-)
But, while trying neither to sound petty nor noble--or be the deliverer of dramatic ultimatums--I refuse to return here only to have certrain posters simply make up things about me, without a scintilla of actual proof...indeed when there is ample evidence which directly refutes the charge[s].
It's just not right. And, believe it or not, I really do have more productive matters to pursue than to subject myself to such conduct.
Jer
.
Hey Jer
August 28, 2009 - 20:43 ET by well99Like Omg your like back.Totally cool dude.Glad to see you back.We wont bring up the chicken issue.I have held back on TK even though I have no respect for him.Not just because of his politics but all the personal garbage he got away with.Oh funny how TK called his lawyer before the cops.
"The only reason you are here is to challenge conservatives."
August 28, 2009 - 20:16 ET by TailgunnerIs that wrong? Did I miss something here?
I like and respect Jer. I welcome someone like him who's willing to at least consider acknowledging reality occasionally. Otherwise NB would be nothing more than a conservative circle-jerk.
And I will defend his character against all comers.
He's the only liberal (at least on this forum) who's earned that honor.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democrats are the party of killers, racists, child molesters, bribe takers, serial sexual harassers, liars, perjurers, obstructors of justice and treasonous frauds.
Jer
August 28, 2009 - 18:38 ET by RESTLESS 1Welcome back. I don't ever agree with you, but I liked having you here.
The remarks are incendiary, and with good reason. We wouldn't mind the constant adulation of "the swimmer" if the coverage were balanced. You can bet that if this had been a republican, the good would have been out there with the bad. As a matter of fact, we have seen this in the media, where a republican's good deeds are counteracted with any and all indiscretions upon his death.
I, for one, like Blonde, have resisted the temptation to comment on his death. I know good and well God and the editors at NB would not be happy with any comments I were to make on the subject, so I simply have not commmeted.
That being said, just a little balance and truth would be appreciated from the media.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Thanks, Restless...
August 28, 2009 - 20:04 ET by JerThanks, Restless...
Again, I wasn't nearly as bothered by the strident criticisms of Kennedy, than I was by the unwarranted personal attacks authored by misterbill.
Jer
Aw c'mon Jer
August 28, 2009 - 20:42 ET by RESTLESS 1You're bound to have received worse, probably from me. ;)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
You're right, Restless...
August 28, 2009 - 22:24 ET by JerYou're right, Restless...
But I think some of those times were maybe after a couple of cocktails and you were feeling, well...feisty. In fact, I can sort of picture the two of us going out for a few beers, arguing with each other about the state of the world and whose responsible for it, and then laughing about it and taking turns picking up the tab.
In other words, I think you and I are a lot alike--except somehow your politics got screwed up. :-)
Jer
Jer,
August 28, 2009 - 22:49 ET by RESTLESS 1In other words, I think you and I are a lot alike--except somehow your politics got screwed up. :-)
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. ;)
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
misterb... I, for one
August 27, 2009 - 20:40 ET by bigtimermisterb...
I, for one care...
Jason isn't worth your time...neither is the old return of Jer below...they will always remain the same.
...In neutral with their foot on the gas.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
~At least
August 27, 2009 - 20:47 ET by choselife3xThey're not putting them in their mouths. Unlike some.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Dittos, Bru
August 27, 2009 - 20:50 ET by BlondeI cried because I had no shoes, until I met a woman who had no class.
I hope he fails, too.
I cried because I had no shoes...
August 28, 2009 - 14:16 ET by Tailgunner...until I met a man who had no feet.
So I took his shoes.
(Well...what was he going to do with them?)
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
My interpretation of the two comments below--
August 28, 2009 - 12:36 ET by misterbill-makes me sad. At least , logically in my read, it appears that C3 and, to my complete surprise, Blonde agree with Jer and Jason.
I read your post as in my defense. I am confused.
Ladies if you disagree with me, please inform me.
~I agree with Jer
August 28, 2009 - 12:49 ET by choselife3xThat the comments were rude. Bt has been nothing but offensive to Jer no matter how polite he has always been. I may not agree with Jer or JasonC idealogically, but they do not make demeaning personal attacks like I have seen from Bt and her 'ilk'.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean it's acceptable to demean them personally. Even if you're on a partisan website.
You stood by Bt's racist slur at a fellow conservative poster. You have no moral credibility with me whatsoever. You supported someone who did something that you knew was wrong, just because she's a fellow "old-timer" here. (your justification, shall I provide a link?)
Who's a bootlicker now?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Two way street
August 28, 2009 - 12:56 ET by misterbillI haven't communicated on NB with you--the reason--when you first came on this board you posted about abortion. I posted something in agreement with you and you sent back a post as if I had challenged you.
Please do post the link --
as for me-- after I get caught up with your link, I plan to spend little time at the Jer, JRJH, jason, Balboa site.
And on a very peronal note--your moral credibility appears duplicitous to me.
~Sure
August 28, 2009 - 13:07 ET by choselife3xHere it is.
"Is this okay with you? Is Bigtimer's behavior accepted or
condoned by you? Do you want to know why she was allowed to get by with
this behavior when other posters have been banned for racial slurs?"
SO-- yes, it's OK with me.
Where have you ever gone in life where you did not encounter the "I was
here first" attitude?? I am not defending it, I am saying, it is normal.
And on a very peronal note--your moral credibility appears duplicitous to me.
Expound, please.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
~Oh, and
August 28, 2009 - 13:23 ET by choselife3xI haven't communicated on NB with you--the reason--when you first came
on this board you posted about abortion. I posted something in
agreement with you and you sent back a post as if I had challenged you.
Do you have a link? And are you always so easily offended? Did you clarify when you thought that I misunderstood you? Are you sure it was me?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Look who is talking bout easily offended??
August 28, 2009 - 16:10 ET by misterbillFirst-- I do not--like you, keep such scrupulous records about who said what to me and when. That young lady is a sign of paranoia.
Second -- As I read your response in your post above --the whole incident came back to mind--I remembered most of the incident.(Plus I went back tioo the link you posted.
What I read was BT making a comment about smoking a peace pipe.
1. I never saw any reference to rex??? being an Indian. Perhaps my fault for not knowing,
2. but then BT said she was part Indian and that was mocked by a couple of folks, but it is a very valid point.
3. So am I . Why would that remark fail to bother me unless I was already in disagreemnet with whoever posted it.
4. This makes the slight a false effort, a childish effort to win a debate--nyah nyah, you called me a name.
5. Rex and you used the liberal trick of calling someone aracist to try to win a point. A couple of good folks here jumped on to agree with you to my complete surprise. Did thye really agreeor was it a lingering argument with BT? I surely don't know.
6. I considered the argument a bump in the road that we would all get over by the next day--apparently you didn't.
I then posted (an excerpt):
"Where have you ever gone in life where you did not encounter the "I was
here first" attitude?? I am not defending it, I am saying, it is
normal. If you can cite loads of opposite feelings and reactions, let
me know. I felt that way myself--I felt left out of the loop a little.
I felt a bunch of newer folks were building their own little clique and
were heavily populating the site with posts that directed the traffic
on subject matter, so I went on hiatus and I will again as soon as I
finish this."
I perceived this as a conciliatory explanation of how, perhaps, some of the whole hue and cry came about. These feelings happen in every environment and will continue to do so until God decides his model for us was bad and He changes us. If you don't know that, then I suggest your time in the business world is a lot less than mine.
The irony, FOR ME, is I like Rex and his posts. I find him to be intelligent and an excellent writer. I thought his reaction tio peace pipe was overreacted and , being an emotional person myself, have done so many times. The difference??? I didn't have a warm, loving energetic poster like you to step up and attack the person that I was having differences with.
Therein the reference to your duplicitousness. You are not without sin, but you don't know it.
~First
August 28, 2009 - 16:30 ET by choselife3xI do not keep records. NB does. I have a good memory. I back up what I say with relevant links. Unlike other people.
Rex was instrumental in uncovering liberal plants on NB. He was attacked for it. As was I. BT and QM have never answered any posts asking why they behaved in such a fashion.
BT knew very well what Rex's heritage is, that's why she used those slurs. She used the liberal tactic of a personal attack instead of sticking to the facts. If she were having an argument with HeavyChevy and told him to go back in the fields and chop cotton would it be okay? How about if she followed that up with, "I'm black, too"? Okay? Or maybe she should stick to arguing facts. Like rex was doing.
The hue and cry came because BT and QM attacked their fellow members. What we did had nothing to do with them, but they jumped in and made a stink until Doc_Navy interjected. After he concurred with our findings, they ran away without a single word of excuse or apology. Like liberals.
If you would like to contact rex, PM me. He is very ill with cancer, but I'm sure he would appreciate hearing from you.
Thank you for answering my post.
P.S. I don't understand how defending rex in that situation makes me duplicitous. I am sorry you view it that way.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
LOL...Jer and I have been
August 28, 2009 - 12:57 ET by bigtimerLOL...Jer and I have been back and forth over different subjects long before your precious presence arrived little one.
You two just wanted to pile on me and try to start a fight late at night, once again.
...amusing.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
~Late at night?
August 28, 2009 - 12:59 ET by choselife3xYou mean 7 minutes after you posted? I'm sorry, is there a time limit? Would 2 minutes have been better? 3?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Will someone please let me know the pecking order?
August 28, 2009 - 13:24 ET by dvdaughtryLOL...Jer and I have been back and forth over different subjects long before your precious presence arrived little one.
Throwing that heiarchy/seniority crap around again, eh?
Talk about "LOL" and "amusing".
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
~Don't forget
August 28, 2009 - 13:34 ET by choselife3x"Predictable."
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
dvddaughtry
August 28, 2009 - 16:17 ET by misterbillGee, I guess you chose a side!!! I will post this again for your consideration. I realize that my recent posts to Jason were not as Christian in spirit as they should be, but your jumping in on one side is not either. What was your involvement in the argument before??
"Where have you ever gone in life where you did not encounter the "I was
here first" attitude?? I am not defending it, I am saying, it is
normal. If you can cite loads of opposite feelings and reactions, let
me know. I felt that way myself--I felt left out of the loop a little.
I felt a bunch of newer folks were building their own little clique and
were heavily populating the site with posts that directed the traffic
on subject matter, so I went on hiatus and I will again as soon as I
finish this. "
~I don't understand
August 28, 2009 - 16:49 ET by choselife3xI realize that my recent posts to Jason were not as Christian in spirit
as they should be, but your jumping in on one side is not either.
Isn't that what you did? And as far as Christian spirit goes, I'm pretty sure that being a Christian qualifies as "picking a side". I thought Christians were supposed to discern between good and evil? My vote is to keep religion out of political discussions, anyway. Politics is divisive enough! (And dvdaughtry is allowed to post anything that doesn't violate the Terms of Use. As are we all.)
My point was:
Jer always argues his points with reason. He does not name-call or demean people. He has a great sense of humor. He sticks up for what he believes and he does it respectfully. I agree with him on very little, but I always enjoyed my discussions with him. It isn't very often that you find a liberal who will argue politely with you, and those are a valuable addition to the site. It's much more stimulating to have a debate with a worthy opponent than to play patticake with a bunch of people who agree with you on everything.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
goody goody
August 28, 2009 - 16:59 ET by misterbillyou and McCain, hands across the aisle. You are so wonderful!!!
Re-- the Christian thing to do--
Please read his profile before you leap into action oh great agitator...
Once again you went off half cocked. Fomenter.
~?
August 28, 2009 - 17:22 ET by choselife3xDo you have a profile on him that isn't viewable to the rest of us?
You went into a stream of hostile name-calling that you sort of admitted maybe you shouldn't have said...and then accuse me of going off half-cocked. And "instigating". Look in the mirror.
Y'all have a great weekend. Class dismissed.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
C3 you win
August 28, 2009 - 18:01 ET by misterbillYou have been a very aggressive poster since you came here. I just reread the whole thread and another. BT is not the only one who feels that you came into the site like a bull in a china shop. Perhaps she, as I posted before, displayed and felt the fairly normal resentment that "old hands" feel. After four years in the miliatry and fifty years in Corporate, I saw it almost every day.
But you win-- I am going to reduce my participation here, at NB, again. You are avery disruptive person. You start forums to destroy older members because they are unhappy with your "full speed ahead". My experience tells me that had you been more undersatnding and less selfish, the whole thing could have been avoided.
I dare say, you will deny or fail to understand my message. As to my rudeness to Jason- I really think it was merited. You sit there and discuss the civility in your exchanges with him. Well, good for you. I award you the Neville Chamberlain Medal of Tact. A well deserved honor.
All that aside . Having recently gotten a clean bill of health on my cancer, I am truly saddened to hear about Rex. I will, (yes even a rude boor like me can do this), include him in my prayers tonight and ask for God's mercy and a remission.
There is always hope until the end, then there is Heaven.
It had nothing to do with
August 28, 2009 - 18:10 ET by bigtimerIt had nothing to do with resentment misterb...I've always welcomed new comers from day one...all of them.
I don't keep all the different threads that have been posted about all of this and not about to, have better things to do with my life.
You weren't here during all the digs towards me and others, I'll leave it at that.
You take care...I wish you and yours the best....as always.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
wow BT
August 28, 2009 - 18:11 ET by misterbillI am the only human emotion person left---I felt resentment.
MisterBill
August 28, 2009 - 18:17 ET by shawn228Always good to see you here. Glad all is well with your health. Miss the poems. I wish you would reconsider about coming back more often
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
shawn
August 28, 2009 - 19:39 ET by milootooleThank you. I am old and tired. My patience, as a result, is thin. I am deeply afraid for my country. Whether Obama is working in his good faith or not, many items threaten our republic. The bills and their volumes are staggering. Many respected journalists and students of social politics are in agreement that it is all too much and too soon. I hold Dr Sowell, Walter Williams, Charles Krauthammer above reproach. They are learned men who are looking at what is happening and they are opposed. I could mention many more, but in a sound argument, many could be dismissed as being the voice of conservatives and, so, not without bias.
I am not opposed to Obama's plans because I am a Republican (I am not, I am an independent who gets lots of GOP emails), or because I dislike Obama (intensely). I grew up in the thirties and forties. I have memories of what things were like. I am an aficianado of the History and Military channels. I went to the movies with my Mom and watched the March of Time. I saw many things that led up to the war and the changes in Italy and Germany that caused them to become what they became. (Goddamned economy!) I am opposed to his plans because they are unfriendly to the American economy and middle class. The Health Care is socialistic. I do not know why the left keeps bringing up Medicare as an argument. That was a Democratic party bill. I am an insured. It is not a good plan. It needs to be fxed. It cannot be fixed by depriving Medicare of money and doubly so if thaty self same money is going to cover other people.
I downloaded the entire 1081 pages. I speed read most and focused on a few. Dangerous.
I have been aware of Sen Kennedy and his career for all my life He is one year older than I and was elected when I lived in MA. He deserves no praise at all. I will stop there. There are more articles surfacing that show the true Senator and his drinking buddy Chris Dodd. However , I care little for his personal life. It is the legislation that he authored, wrote , co sponsored, etc that makes me intensely dislike him. So much so, that I actually took a transfer to another state to escape the Kennedy machine.
As I aged, my love for my country grew stronger. My visits to other countries although not many occurred mostly in the Fifties, I saw how little life meant in other lands. I saw how the son of a laborer could wind up in career with a major corporation. I saw how men and women of reason have rebelled against the unfair treatment of others who were considered to be inferior. They worked to change it. Some of them by merely accepting the change without comment, some by putting jobs, friendships, life on the line. I saw them win the changes.
Did they do it to change the greatest republic ever created?? Or did the do it to make this great republic even greater? The answer is obvous. It speaks for itself.
Now those whose ancestors were the victims are the leaders. Have they risen above the resentment, the thirst for vengeance, the feeling that much is due them because of history?? That answer--at least to me--speaks for itself too. They may think they do, but their actions say no.
The thing that binds the new leaders together is the idea of equality in a distorted sense. They believe that distributing the wealth is the right way to live. They believe that the sweat of one man's labor should be taken and shared with others with neither the desire nor the skills to spend the sweat. this is wrong. This stifles initiative. This stops men and women from coming up with new and better ideas.
I could, unfortunately, go on all night--I won't. I will say this--Holder's efforts to prosecute those who did our, (yes I said our) bidding will show the world, even more than anything else to date, that we are divided. When another 5 million jobs disappear, when the heel of the boot of national debt presses on out necks--it will be too late.
Now you knwo why I am tired and old. I wake at night. I cannot stop thinking of what is happening. I get testy. I see people on the other side, so to speak, creating excuses for bad policy. I am saddened that even though I did not vote for Obama that his plans and purpose are suspect to me. I really though, for a very brief while, we would get some good change. Instead I see,"I am in charge and this is what America will be." I admit, if I thought waht was being done was good for us, we would be swapping fun stories instead of me crying into my beer here.
Finally, the stories I view and or read in the news tells me that the extremists on both sides are starting to build up steam. I sincerely believe ther wil be violence. There has been already, on a minor scale. What is a minor scale when yours is the face being punched and kicked???
When Busah was in office and some liberal bloggers came here and posted some negative things about him. I usually checked it out to see if it was true. Most of the liberal bloggers here do not employ that strategy-anything said bad about Obama's administration is instantly refuted without regard to fact.
'Nuff- I stole my poem tonight----
Seeker Of Truth by E. E. Cummings
seeker of truth
follow no path
all paths lead where
truth is here
Milootoole
August 28, 2009 - 19:50 ET by FeynmanFanMy hat's off to you, Sir. I share many of your concerns, also to the point where I lay awake at night worried about my future, my kids future and the future of our country. You did an excellent job of expressing feelings that I'm sure many people on this site share.
We are in very scary times and we are probably only going to have one chance to get this right. Our chances will be much improved if people realize what's really at stake and that it's worth fighting for, but they will have to wake up to do that.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
I am an old friend--(as old as he)
August 28, 2009 - 19:55 ET by milootooleI don't post much, but I looked in tonight/ I took the liberty of answering while the old coot went to the bathroom.
I am out of here. Heeeeeeeee's coming back.
milo--
August 28, 2009 - 19:58 ET by misterbillI still say Firefox is better than IE!!! End of argument--until tomorrow that is.
milo... Long time no
August 28, 2009 - 20:11 ET by bigtimermilo...
Long time no see...your words of wisdom are once again priceless.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
credit stealer--
August 28, 2009 - 20:25 ET by misterbillMy friend Milo--took my screed-- (from wordpad) and posted it as his. The sleaze. He insists it was an accident. When we go to exercise on Monday--I am going to trip him.
He and Pete and I do not always agree --(Pete is the most liberal of us, and the youngest, he is not even 70 yet.) But we do all share a very big fear about the direction the country seems to headed/.
misterb... I know.
August 28, 2009 - 20:27 ET by bigtimermisterb...
I know. ;-)
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
A gesture of thanks--
August 28, 2009 - 20:01 ET by misterbillBad Day at The Blog Site
There I sat, sore distressed,
Head hanging low on my chest
Life I thought, for me is o'er
Fighting back, too much a chore
And then a post I saw and then read
It made me smile and lift my head
My anger it did wash away
Tomorrow is another day
My broken spirit it did mend
Well look at us here, its a friend
And tho he is on the other side
He made me feel so deep inside
That there are those who may disagree
On what is best for you and me
But together with guidance from above
They'll hold it together with love
Mr. Bill~poem for Shawn
August 28, 2009 - 20:09 ET by Georgia GirlVery cool.
And "goodnight to all, and to all a good night."
~Please
August 29, 2009 - 08:30 ET by choselife3xYou weren't here during all the digs towards me and others, I'll leave it at that.
Back something up for once. I'll leave it at that.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Mr Bill
August 28, 2009 - 19:32 ET by general companyPlease do not reduce your participation. She aint worth the aggravation. In-fact she claims to be this big troll "fighter" but the only ones she ever takes offence of are great conservatives like yourself.
Go ahead Choose3, post some of my old comments. Just saving you the post for the threat. To bad you cant buy maturity?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc
August 28, 2009 - 20:20 ET by misterbillthank you
Sure,
August 28, 2009 - 20:36 ET by general companyIn spite of what others think, it is still legal to state an opinion. So keep it up!
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
~
August 29, 2009 - 09:01 ET by choselife3xAs tired as I am of this, I see no one else has refuted your attempts at character assassination.
You have been a very aggressive poster since you came here.
I'm wearing a skirt and I respect my husband, does that help? Should I refrain from expressing my political opinions on a political site? Wear a head covering, perhaps? The vast majority of my posts are purely humorous. Even my arguments with liberals and trolls are generally humorous in tone. As anyone who has read my posts over time knows. I have never followed fellow conservatives or liberal members in good standing around the site to harass them, unlike several others on this thread. It never crossed my mind that "old" members of this site would resent a new member for, well, posting.
But you win--
You completely and utterly mistake me. All I ever said about this situation can be boiled down to this---"Jer and JasonC do not deserve to be sh!t on. Save it for the trolls" That is all.
I have always enjoyed your posts and I have no problem with you, then or now. I regret that you "avoided" me after you thought that I misunderstood you once. I am sorry that I apparently offended you then. I can't imagine what you're referring to, I went back and searched for it so I could see if I owed you an apology, but I couldn't find it. Regardless, I apologize.
I am truly saddened to hear about Rex.
Thank you. And I don't think you're a rude boor. Everyone snaps now and then, doesn't make us bad people. The internet is often the only safe place to vent nowadays. There's a difference between snapping and making up afterwards and perpetual harassment, which Jer in particular has been subjected to. I object to that, and if you want to see me as Chamberlain or McCain because of it, well, there's nothing I can do about that.
a clean bill of health on my cancer
I am very glad to hear it. One of my dearest friends is three years younger than you and he just made it past the 6 year mark. Back then he was given 1 chance in 3 to make it 3 years. Thank God he lives in America. He'd have been dead anywhere else.
I'm afraid Rex is already past the time the doctors gave him, and it looks really bad. I will pass on your good wishes, thank you. Have a good weekend, and I hope to see you around.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
Chose~
August 29, 2009 - 11:26 ET by Georgia GirlI think that sometimes you are joking around and someone may misunderstand. So I guess I'd just say that if we (collectively) don't know where someone is coming from and it seems like we've gotten an out-of-the-blue snap out of our flesh, just ask the person. Comments on here can get misunderstood. So...if in doubt, ask. Some of it is just personality. There have been times I have read something someone wrote on here and thought it was funny...but then someone else took it as an insult. And the reverse has happened as well, where I have really cringed and thought: "dang, that's rude, condescending and snotty," but someone else was fine with it. I love a good laugh, but there is a certain type of humor that I don't like...so I am sure that is the case with everybody.
In general, I think we all can give more thought to worrying less about being right -- and more thought to doing what is right. Okay, I'm off my camp counselor mode, guys. I swear. I'm a work in progress as well, so this isn't meant as a lecture.
Time for everybody to go for a swim in the lake! (I have no idea what that means...it just seemed like a camp counselor thing to say) ^_^
What about my profile? I
August 28, 2009 - 23:09 ET by dvdaughtryWhat about my profile?
I need to change it. I turn 30 in Oct and just had a baby.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I see (from below) this has
August 28, 2009 - 23:08 ET by dvdaughtryI see (from below) this has died down (forgive me I deliver pizzas on the weekends and just got in), but I don't understand the reply to me.
My point was that some believe their time on the clock here, on NB, means something in the arena of ideas.
I was just exposing that.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
misterbill
August 28, 2009 - 13:52 ET by BlondeMy "dittos to chose" indicated approval of her defense of the gross insult to Jason and Jer. I get sick and tired of Jer (and Jason, too, even though I've quit replying to him eons ago) getting slammed as a garden variety troll. Particularly by a certain poster with an overblown sense of self-importance on this site.
Just to be perfectly clear, I believe Ted Kennedy was alot of things, but I was taught not to speak ill of the dead, and I have chosen not to do so. Furthermore, it doesn't behoove us, nor this site, to act like a bunch of KosKids. We all know what Kennedy did (and didn't do). We are neither his judge nor his jury.
I hope he fails, too.
Funny, I defend misterb
August 28, 2009 - 14:37 ET by bigtimerFunny, I defend misterb from two leftists here last night and now I'm the bad guy somehow, you and cl jump in out of the blue just to put me down...enough already, I didn't pick any fight with you.
misterb has been there done that, it would do us well at times to listen to the elders who have far more wisdom than we do.
...then again, some never learn.
Btw...you described yourself well above...couldn't agree more. ;-)
Excuse me
August 28, 2009 - 15:56 ET by BlondeCould you, just once, possibly BUTT THE HELL OUT?
Because mrbill asked me, specifically, a question, which I answered.
My God, I can't read this site after about 4 in the afternoon without seeing every single thread spammed by all of your LOLLing, Hear Hearing, and just general blather by half (wit).
Stay away from me, you are a bloody annoying stalker, and illiterate to boot. If I wanted an opinion that had your stellar wisdom it it, I'd ask my cat litter.
P.S. A parting gift for you, Hope Diamond. When you become annoyed by silly troll talk...it's not "dribble" (d'oh....that's what a St. Bernard does with those big fat jowls)....it is "drivel".
I hope he fails, too.
LOL...Your arrogance
August 28, 2009 - 16:43 ET by bigtimerLOL...Your arrogance becomes you.
You mention me in a response, I am going to answer, you aren't so self-important that I will remain silent.
You butted in last night from out of nowhere to put me down.
I did nothing to you...and you know it.
You may intimidate others with your so-called superior attitude...you don't me.
Stalk you...you are out of your mind...I have better things to do as well.
Calling me the Hope Diamond that you say I deserve, because you say so....oh please...who died and made you god.
I'm moving on...this is all sad, all I did was defend an old friend blonde, and you know that.
Have a nice week-end.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
I knew you wouldn't shut up
August 28, 2009 - 16:53 ET by BlondeYou never do.
I hope he fails, too.
LOL... Look whose
August 28, 2009 - 16:59 ET by bigtimerLOL...
Look whose talking.
Come on....give it a rest.
Like I said...Have a nice week-end.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thank you for proving my point.
August 28, 2009 - 17:11 ET by BlondeLOL
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde: Thank you for your
August 28, 2009 - 14:47 ET by QueenMumBlonde: Thank you for your comment above re: Sen. Kennedy's death. ("I believe Ted Kennedy was alot of things, but I was taught not to speak
ill of the dead, and I have chosen not to do so. Furthermore, it
doesn't behoove us, nor this site, to act like a bunch of KosKids. We
all know what Kennedy did (and didn't do). We are neither his judge
nor his jury.")
I for one agree with you. I was beginning to think I was the only ant at the picnic.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~So does that mean..
August 28, 2009 - 15:14 ET by choselife3xThat if I die you'll stop talking about what kind of mother you think I am?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
QM, chose, bt, Blonde, misterbill, Jason, Jer....
August 28, 2009 - 15:35 ET by MrShyI've had just about enough of this. Here, NOW (it's an ORDER!):
* http://www.youtube.c...
* http://www.youtube.c...
* http://www.youtube.c...
* NOTE: but not for trolls and plants.
LOL MrS... Aye
August 28, 2009 - 15:38 ET by bigtimerLOL MrS...
Aye Aye!
...You have spoken.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
~So
August 28, 2009 - 15:51 ET by choselife3xWill you be apologizing to rex? Or are you lying out your....mouth?
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
chose
August 28, 2009 - 17:49 ET by MrShySTOP IT !! (down girl!) :)
~Hmmmm
August 28, 2009 - 15:39 ET by choselife3xDoes that mean you're apologizing to Jer?
:-D
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
chose
August 28, 2009 - 17:48 ET by MrShyI did a little while back, pretty much. I was reeeeee-jected.
Apologized for the whole thing going down, that is. Need to make that distinction. ;)
Now let's all stop being petulant kids, and that includes everyone here. (EDIT :p)
Shy...Let's get the
August 28, 2009 - 19:06 ET by JerShy...
Let's get the record straight. You have never apologized for repeatedly calling me "intellectually dishonest", nor for insinuating I was a fraud who posted insincere "reasonable-sounding" comments in an effort to conceal my "true" vicious far-left philosophy and hatred of conservatives. Both charges were, and remain, preposterous and insulting.
You did express sorrow for forgetting--or perhaps being unaware--that my previous hiatus was primarily for health reasons, and you also slightly softened the overall tone of your general attitude about me and the dynamics of NewsBuster debate. You wished me a happy 4th of July, and I responded with best wishes in all of your future endeavors. There was no reee-jection.
Have I mischaracterized anything? If so, please let me know.
Jer
Since when is
August 28, 2009 - 19:39 ET by general companyAnyones apology to someone other then you, your buisiness?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Mr. Shy: My only
August 28, 2009 - 15:50 ET by QueenMumMr. Shy: My only contribution to this particular sidebar has been in
agreement with Blonde re: comments about Sen. Kennedy's death. There are few others who have expressed the same thoughts. I appreciated what she had to say. That's
all. I don't appreciate being named at the "top" of your list. :(
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money."
—Margaret Thatcher
~Dodge
August 28, 2009 - 15:52 ET by choselife3xDeflect...check annnd check.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
QM
August 28, 2009 - 20:58 ET by MrShyI just put all the names I saw on this thread in there. Nothing really personal. It's just a lot of side-taking and divisiveness all around. But then, like RESTLESS1 pointed out, life is dull if we're all getting along swimmingly. :)
Got your other "post" as well, btw :p Again, as stated above.
Well, MrS... You see how
August 28, 2009 - 15:54 ET by bigtimerWell, MrS...
You see how far that got ya. ;-)
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
Children please...MrShy said...
August 28, 2009 - 15:58 ET by vrwc13MrShy said nicely to STOP...now stop.
v
...pass the popcorn please
And everyone who was quietly
August 28, 2009 - 16:05 ET by hydrodynDMAnd everyone who was quietly watching this suddenly runs as quickly as possible away from vrwc13.
(Munch, Munch)
August 28, 2009 - 16:05 ET by dvdaughtry...pass the popcorn please
Hey! I need more butter!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
vrwc13
August 28, 2009 - 17:56 ET by MrShyThese people need a Let Go Seminar.
Lol Mr. Shy
August 28, 2009 - 16:03 ET by shawn228The most passive aggresive guy on NB asking people to calm down. If 2 conservatives didn't chime in, you would be piling on just like everyone one.....unbelievable.
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
shawn
August 28, 2009 - 17:43 ET by MrShyI never said I was perfect.
I never said you did shy
August 28, 2009 - 17:50 ET by shawn228I like most of the participants in this debate and was just going to watch as a spectator, but I could not resist commenting on such Irony.
You love a good pile on so you can get on your soap box and lately have taken to stealing someone else's schtick, but since 2 popular members have decided to enter the fray, Oh looky here, Its Shy the peacemaker!!!
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
shawn
August 28, 2009 - 17:52 ET by MrShyOkay, okay, I'm an awful human being.
Thanks Shawn
August 28, 2009 - 20:51 ET by well99Here I thought I was the most passive aggressive NBer.It is a Blue Ray thing isnt it.
You facist well99
August 29, 2009 - 08:36 ET by shawn228You keep discriminating against us PS3 users, you take your Sony hating, white meat eating War Craft playing hating butt somewhere else!!!
:-)
"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong
lol
August 29, 2009 - 15:24 ET by well99I am not a WOW person I will have you know.My ex brother has a P3 (Had to disinherit him).I did think about getting a Blue Ray for my new pc once it gets here.A little over a hundred for a 6X but I not much into movies and I havent seen any games with it..Hope your haveing fun with yours.
~MY contribution
August 28, 2009 - 16:07 ET by choselife3xTo the musical festivities.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
You guys are making GG sad...
August 28, 2009 - 17:18 ET by Georgia GirlI hope it's okay if I say something. Something. LOL. Sorry. I have a bad headache, so I'm not at my wittiest. But I saw a few things in the comment section that led me here, and I just felt sad reading through all this -- my headache actually got worse!
I'm gonna do something kind of weird. But could everybody use a big hug? ;) I'm more familiar with some of you than others, but as a whole, I have come to appreciate different things about all of you. I don't mean to sound like a camp counselor, so try to cut me a little slack if I come off like that -- I mean well, guys.
So...giving out a few hugs...here is my "what I like about _____" list. I think all of you know (from my various posts) what I'm NOT okay with, so no need to beat any of that to the ground. I'm basically not okay with people hurting other people & being unfairly judgemental, and I'm sorry if that makes me sound like Pollyanna. I'm not perfect, and I will continue to try to improve as a person. But there's a lot of fighting going on -- lots of hurt feelings -- and some yucky things that have happened. I'm aware of some of it -- and probably not a lot of the little behind-the-scenes stuff. I probably have missed a lot of stuff, but I hope it's okay I post this anyway -- it's my own little insight.
So...here's a "hug" to each of you...who I feel I "know" well enough to say something about:
Misterbill: This is a good man who is frustrated with what's happening to our country. He can recognize goodness when he sees it. He's seen a lot, and it makes him feel misunderstood at times. He wants to take our country back, so if he's not in a great mood lately, he's just worn out from the fight.
Blonde: She's a good egg. She's spunky. She's not afraid to tell you if you are getting on her nerves, but she's not vengeful. She will notice if you are being kind, and she tries very hard to be fair...but she's not afraid to speak up whenever she feels like it -- she's not a brownoser -- she'll do what she thinks is right.
Mr. Shy: He's not afraid to be who he is. If he's having a bad day, we know it. If he's having a great day, nobody can be more fun! He can be very playful and witty (sorry to make you sound like a puppy, Mr. Shy). He can come in at just the right time to say something interesting or thought-provoking. He has a good sense of humor. He's had a lot of disappointment in people. Haven't we all! Now that I think of it, maybe nobody was mad at Mr. Shy. Oh well, I already wrote this.
Chose: She's deeply convicted on issues, and you'd want her on your side at a tea party or one of these town meetings -- she won't let the wishy-washy guys off the hook. She cares enough to follow through. She gets her feelings hurt like anybody else. She likes to go where it's interesting, and she'll try to shock you if she thinks it will wake you up. If she's your friend, she'll always be your friend.
Bigtimer: She cares about the direction of our country, and she takes it seriously. She values tradition. She'll give you a chance, if you are honest with her and feels you won't stab her in the back. She may get exasperated if something hits her the wrong way, but she's a nice person who has been through some hard things in life. She may not say something full out, but she'll reflect on things, when you may not think she is considering what you have to say.
Jer: He likes to debate, but he also has a heart of gold and has so much more inside than may meet the eye, so there are words between his words that are missing -- and if you can't read between the lines, you won't get him. He realizes some of the most important things in life that others may more readily miss...he's sweet-natured but will do battle when he's irked. You can reason with him though.
And Rex...Rex is special.
Did I leave anybody out? If I did, I did not meant to...I can't remember everybody who is mad at everybody. And my head still hurts.
I have had disagreements with people on here. I've PM'd people to chat on personal issues. I have tried to clear up things that upset me...and if I ever upset any of you, you know where to find me. I'd like to see us get along as much as we can and band together to get Obama out of office. ;) Oh, except for Jer...he probably isn't about that. ^_^
I'm done. And if you think this is the goofiest thing ever, tell me to go sit on some Georgia peaches. I'll try not to cry. *_*
GG
GG
August 28, 2009 - 17:51 ET by MrShyOh believe me, I'm hated. It's not easy being great. :)
MrS... LOL...Oh come
August 28, 2009 - 17:56 ET by bigtimerMrS...
LOL...Oh come on...who was the first person here that stood up for you against some long ago?
I knew you had talent and a good soul from way back...good things are to come to you yet.
Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
August 28, 2009 - 21:12 ET by MrShyThanks!! Your nice words and support are always appreciated, btw!! :) (and no, not everyone is on the Hate Shy list... :p)
EDIT: this is being reposted. There was no reply, and I caught my "You're" and made it "Your". I'm a bit anal.
Mr. Shy~
August 28, 2009 - 18:02 ET by Georgia GirlIt's all that creative genius -- it's lonely at the top, dude. ;)
P.S. Oh, shoot! I forgot to say how humble you are, in my tribute to you. Dang it. Well, next time. Bahahahahaha!
GG
August 28, 2009 - 18:33 ET by MrShy*Shy goes to look up the word "humble"....*
Mr. Shy...
August 29, 2009 - 08:07 ET by Georgia GirlKeep flipping...nope, nope -- you have to get past "E" for ego...No, no -- back up a bunch from "V" for vain.
You know I'm kiddin' ya. You're just fun. ;)
Georgia Girl...
August 28, 2009 - 19:10 ET by JerI appreciate your very gracious words.
Thanks, Jer
GG, I'm with you
August 28, 2009 - 21:03 ET by R D HelmThis is all so gut-wrenchingly sad. Our country is quite literally on the brink of its demise (in any meaningful form, anyway) and we are busy tearing into each other.
Sad.
-Dave
Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz
Dave
August 28, 2009 - 21:16 ET by MrShyMaybe Obama is seriously messing up our heads...
Good Lord, I take a day off
August 29, 2009 - 20:10 ET by dscottGood Lord, I take a day off from NB and I come back to a train wreck! It must be a virus or something.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
"You have enemies? Good.
August 29, 2009 - 08:54 ET by Jack Bauer"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill.
You're welcome, QM
August 28, 2009 - 16:05 ET by BlondeI'm sick of it all.
The bickering over Chappquiddick, The Lion, etc. (forgive me)...it's water under the bridge.
Good bye, Ted. Smooth sailing.
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde~
August 28, 2009 - 19:59 ET by Georgia GirlI hear ya. How many blogs are there on here on Ted? I've lost count. I've only read a few of them, and I couldn't take much. On one one of them (absolutely no idea which one), I couldn't take it anymore and commented a little forcefully when someone proclaiming he was in hotter temps. I think it was someone I've never noticed saying anything unreasonable before, and I guess I just had my limit. It was Won't-Let-Him-RIP Comment #204...I could handle it up to #203, but #204 just put me over the edge. LOL. I understand all the things people are upset about in how he conducted his life (gosh knows this man had serious problems and made some thoroughly screwed-up decisions), but...the man died. It's God's business now, not really ours.
Blonde
August 28, 2009 - 16:44 ET by misterbill"My "dittos to chose" indicated approval of her defense of the gross insult to Jason and Jer."
Please reread the thread--I never addressed Jer until he, later, responded to my argument with jason.
Apparently the battle lines have been drawn and old friends are going to be shooting at each other,. Meantime --the instigator--C3 is probably laughing at all of us. That is what I detected in her first few posts and why I chose to avoid posting in any active thread of hers.
And if I am a bad guy for speaking true about Ted Kennedy--so be it-- I speak the truth. The MSM lionized Micahel Jackso ans are doing the sme for TK.
misterbill
August 28, 2009 - 17:08 ET by BlondeI understand that....but I must continue to object to Jer (and Jason, spare me, Lord) being referred to in such a derogatory manner..I'd do the same for you.
As for Ted...to each his own. It is my choice, and mine alone, not to carry on about his sins.
As for chose, you are judging her too harshly. Trust me, bill. Truly.
I hope he fails, too.
misterbill... I've
August 29, 2009 - 19:24 ET by Jermisterbill...
I've extended all of the olive branches to you which I intend to do. If you want me to dig up and lay the entire tree at your feet, well...no thanks.
Now, for the record: CL3 instigated nothing! Your statement to the contrary is just a further example of your unfortunate predilection for reckless and unwarranted accusations. She has performed superlative services for this website, has posted some of the most intellectually sound, witty, and well-crafted commentaries to be found anywhere, and has been and continues to be a shining light at NB. All conservative members of this site should be proud and grateful choselife is on their side. I wish she were on ours.
I will shoulder the blame for instigating the current imbroglio. I regret it--but don't apologize for it. Your inappropriate remarks about me several months ago, as well as your inflammatory and unwarranted personal comments directed at Jason earlier in this thread provoked my response.
However, I meant what I said earlier about hoping you will remain at NB and about my reasons for that desire. Believe me, I will be posting very little, if at all. And any future remarks of mine will be neither about you nor addressed to you.
Jer
I will shoulder the blame
August 29, 2009 - 23:52 ET by dvdaughtryI will shoulder the blame for instigating the current imbroglio.
Imbrolio? Didn't the Cubs trade him to the Cardinals for Brock?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_for_Broglio
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
LOL dvd... You realize
August 30, 2009 - 00:32 ET by JerLOL dvd...
You realize you're posing that question to the guy whose boyhood dream was to be GM of the St. Louis Cardinals?
Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock--an absolute steal [pun intended]...but the only good trade Bing Devine ever made in his life. Steve Carlton for Rick Wise (Carlton had the gall to ask for 60k/yr); Jerry Reuss for nobody; Alex Johnson for Dick "Suitcase" Simpson; Bobby Tolan for a washed-up Vada Pinson; Richie "Call me Dick" Allen for Ted Sizemore...the list of blunders is endless.
Jer
I've Been Out For A While
August 30, 2009 - 13:45 ET by DoktorFrankenDid I miss anything??
Doktor...well, a little bit
August 30, 2009 - 19:35 ET by Georgia GirlWell, everybody had this weird collective dream. Friends were mad at friends...good people were attacking good people...some wanted to just quit and never come back.
And then we all woke up and realized we were with Suzanne Pleshette.
Oh, wait. I'm mixing things up. Anyway, it was all just a bad dream. ^_^
GG
August 30, 2009 - 21:55 ET by DoktorFrankenThanks for the update. I started reading the thread and for some strange reason I went out to the garage to drill a few holes into my head. At the time it seemed the logical thing to do.
Doktor Sarak
And when the wind blows,
August 30, 2009 - 23:19 ET by JerAnd when the wind blows, does it play "Dixie"?
Jer
Dok~
August 31, 2009 - 07:38 ET by Georgia GirlLOL.
Step away from the drill. ;)
Jason C--3 minutes to
August 26, 2009 - 12:49 ET by ConservativeRexJason C--3 minutes to drown under normal circumstances. Mary Jo had an air pocket she was in that lasted no telling how long, this Per: Boston Globe.
No more excuses for Eds behavior. Then or now. I am against all that he stood for. But he won't have to answer to me.
You make a good point.
August 26, 2009 - 13:00 ET by JasonCYou make a good point. That pocket would be substantially shorter-lasting if the windows were down (it was July). But that should also have provided an easy escape route. Ted also claims to have attempted to swim back to her several times, which would not be easy in the dark with a possible concussion. Who knows if he really attempted it or not...one would like to think so, as a human being.
The rest of my points stand.
It was July? The windows might have been down?
August 26, 2009 - 16:53 ET by SickofLibsGood Lord man, how many more excuses can be dreamed up? Now we're fantasizing about much air he had left her?
It was a high-end Oldsmobile and it had AC. But go ahead, make the argument that Kennedy always drove around without the AC on.
If it was you or me, it would have been negligent homocide.
Well as long as we're just
August 26, 2009 - 19:35 ET by JasonCWell as long as we're just talking about the air-pocket issue, it seems like a reasonable thing to say. Salty Cape Cod air late at night vs. A/C? Seems possible. Also seems as worth speculating on as the issue of whether or not Kennedy was drunk at the time; many posters have stated that he was, as a fact, despite the impossibility of actually knowing it. It's just "oh yeah, ole TK the lush!" From what I've heard, he didn't start hitting the Scottish til after Chappy. But whatever. The point is, there is a lot of minutiae to be considered before we condemn to hell a man whose body isn't even cold yet. I'm stating facts and trying to complicate the issue, instead of making unsubstantiated claims based on my own prejudices. You'd probably never have guessed it but, as I told MB, I have no respect for the Kennedys as American royalty mythos. My goal here is only to shut down arrogant conservative bluster, nothing more.
→ Jason
August 26, 2009 - 19:42 ET by Cool ArrowAre you buying the "wandered around for 9 hours, in shock, before reporting the event"?
If he hadn't been such a tea-totaller I'd be tempted to think he took some time to sober up.
Let me help you out here.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Jason, I'm not condemning TK to hell; that's above my pay grade
August 26, 2009 - 20:04 ET by SickofLibsBut seriously, Teddy, on vacation, wife nowhere around, on the island amongst friends at a late night summer party, wall-to-wall chicks... and you're floating the idea that he MAY not have been bombed?
If that's "conservative bluster" then so is me saying that the sun will rise tomorrow.
You obviously did not do the research or you would not have said 'from what I've heard he didn't start drinking till afterwards.' The first-person accounts from his own friends who were present refute that, fully. Look it up - I'm not doing it for you.
He WAS drunk, he drove drunk, he drove off the bridge because of it, he abandoned MJK to die, he afterwards lied about it, then he beat the rap. That's it.
Jason, Jason, Jason.
August 27, 2009 - 09:23 ET by TailgunnerFirst of all, you have no clue how long it took her to die...are you trying to tell us it would have made a difference?
What 'minutiae' are you talking about? It's clear that Kennedy escaped accountability for vehicular manslaughter with the assistance of a powerful political machine.
Linda Tripp, Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky were treated with kid gloves by Bill Clinton compared to the utter destruction of Mary Jo Kopechne's chances for justice by the Kennedy machine.
And you also have no clue when or where Kennedy started drinking. He was leaving a party, for Chrissakes.
So what if he was sober (he wasn't) when he ran off the bridge and killed Mary Jo? The fact remains that he was responsible for her death regardless of his mental state.
As a matter of fact, you don't seem to have a clue about any of this at all.
And after fifteen years as a military police officer I've lost count of the number of late night wrecks where the driver was nowhere to be found...until mid-morning at the earliest.
Given a choice between a DUI accident arrest or a 'leaving the scene' citation, a drunk driver will take the ticket every time.
Your goal seems to be demonstrating your complete ignorance of any aspect of this whole issue.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
And just btw, since you
August 26, 2009 - 12:49 ET by JasonCAnd just btw, since you really and truly "believe in the judicial process," I presume you totally agree with the SCOTUS decision of 2000 in Bush vs. Gore (or vice-versa, I forget). Because there was a lot more "process" there than Chappaquidick ever got.
I promise I'm really not trying to defend this SirThomas character, but I'm not sure that believing in the judicial process in the abstract necessarily means agreeing with every single decision that comes out of it. Just because one believes in its general efficacy and rectitude doesn't mean one must be an automaton.
'Playing' judge and jury? That's rich.
August 27, 2009 - 09:06 ET by TailgunnerThis from people who've tried and convicted GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, every US Marine involved in the Haditha incident as well as every CIA interrogator involved in the GWOT.
I have the right to call BS when I see it.
And I don't need a subpoena, a search warrant, Miranda rights or your approval.
Right now the entire MSM is whitewashing the career of a killer, a traitor and a thoroughly despicable person.
That's BS and I'm not obligated to participate in this farce.
And you're free to kiss my 'odious' ass.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
AC, by my calculation, Ted Kennedy was directly responsible...
August 26, 2009 - 14:38 ET by R D Helm...for one death, and indirectly responsible for the deaths of 40+ million unborn children, as well as about two million innocent Cambodians.
That's a heck of a tally in and of itself.
Should ObamaCare morph into KennedyKare (it will) and pass into law (it just might) then he also gets a share of the blame for all the elderly Americans who will go TU way too early because some Kennedy-worshipping government employee decides their lives aren't worth pro-longing.
After all, budgets is budgets, ya know, and this country is stone cold broke, due mainly to the unbridled liberalism Ted Kennedy shamelessly (not to mention recklessly) pushed for his entire Senate career.
Hell of a legacy this man has left.
If I were named Kennedy, I would change it to Smith. Oh, wait...
-Dave
How about we forget about ol' Ted for a moment.
August 27, 2009 - 19:30 ET by TailgunnerLook at who's honoring a killer of a young woman and attacking anyone who points out that inconvenient little fact.
So far the Democrat Party has 'lionized'; a killer and traitor (Kennedy), another traitor and proven fraud and liar (Kerry), a racist KKK officer (Byrd), a serial abuser of women, serial liar, perjurer and obstructor of justice (Clinton), a pedophile (Alcee Hastings) and introduced legislation to honor another pedophile (Michael Jackson).
And of course we could find many more examples of Democrat scumbags like Dodd the proven liar, Geithner the proven tax evader, Rangel the serial tax evader, Pelosi the known liar and hypocrite, and the king of the Democrat con men and liars, Dear Leader Obama.
All these moral wastelands are members in good standing of today's crooked, lying, racist Democrat Party.
What does this say about the moral character of the Democrats?
What moral character?
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Sir Thomas is an embarrassment to humanity
August 26, 2009 - 07:30 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThis blog is an embarrassment to Newsbusters.
Let's channel Sir Thomas (lofty title there, doubt he was ever knighted, except maybe in an online game).
Sir Thomas hears the news Kennedy has died, he excitedly thinks 'Now I can run over to NewsBusters and use my broad liberal brush to accuse them of being, for one day, what 'progressives' are daily!'
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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
Hey DontFeedTheTrolls, can you tell me who to join if I want to
August 26, 2009 - 07:36 ET by Sir Thomaskeep the illegals in? Should I also write Congress and Senate (sic) and tell them what I think?
Trick question
August 26, 2009 - 08:20 ET by Indiana Joe"...who to join if I want to keep the illegals in?"
Um... the Democrat Party, maybe?
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." - Samuel Adams
No need to, they're on your
August 26, 2009 - 08:43 ET by motherbeltNo need to, they're on your side already!
I can tell you where to sign up--
August 26, 2009 - 12:23 ET by misterbill-- if you can remove your head from your butt long enough.
Is that because you'd like a chance to put your head up it?
August 26, 2009 - 12:45 ET by Sir Thomasn/m
Oh! that was clever. But
August 26, 2009 - 12:49 ET by dvdaughtryOh! that was clever.
But if you read his statment again, he told you why he wanted you to pull your head out of your butt.
Try again.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I read his statment (sic), and suggested an ulterior motive.
August 26, 2009 - 12:57 ET by Sir ThomasHope this helps.
BTW taking cheap shots at
August 26, 2009 - 13:01 ET by MightyMouthBTW taking cheap shots at spelling mistakes is considered poor form and points to a lack of substance in your replies. (just sayin')
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
No, it didn't I'd go as
August 26, 2009 - 13:02 ET by dvdaughtryNo, it didn't
I'd go as far to say it made it even less clever, but since it was already a zero, that is not possible.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
The fact that you'd go as far as to say something that you
August 26, 2009 - 13:46 ET by Sir Thomasacknowledge not to be possible says a lot about you.
"Aristotle wishy washy works
August 26, 2009 - 21:07 ET by RR GOP"Aristotle wishy washy works outing cyclamen get forficulate smartish"
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Says a lot like? You trying
August 26, 2009 - 21:47 ET by dvdaughtrySays a lot like?
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Kennedy is symbolic of what
August 26, 2009 - 06:53 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsKennedy is symbolic of what is wrong with this country, the idea that the government should be the first you turn to for help/advice/education/whatever. When politicians decided we should not count on family and friends but should send as much money as they can weasel out of us to be used the way they see fit to 'help' us is when this country made a wrong turn. Kennedy epitomized that thinking. RIP, but I won't miss you. Let's hope history tells the tale correctly, that Kennedy stood for big government, not for 'we the people'.
Get ready for a huge funeral, the left needs, NEEDS, to outdo Reagan's funeral.
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Come on folks. A man has
August 26, 2009 - 07:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberCome on folks.
A man has died. Show a little bit of sympathy. He was not responsible for a genocide or something like that.
Yes, he was an murderer and an adulterer, and he will surely be spending eternity, or his next life, etc, paying for all the evil he has caused in this lifetime, but it really is ill to speak of the dead.
And it makes you no better than the guttertrash on the left we so often bitch about.
So, let's stay above the fray, suffer through the 2-hour retrospectives by the fawning media, long, sappy salutes, and the expected capitalization of his death by the Left to try and push their agendas, and remember this day when as a day you didn't go Hufftard over this death, unlike the innumerable mental giants who went ballistic when Reagan died.
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Let's not go KOS here!!
August 26, 2009 - 07:39 ET by motherbeltThank you, Shrubber....I said that above. I was really hoping we would show ourselves better then Kos and DU...
§ Mb, Roger...NO KOS CRAP HERE!!!
August 26, 2009 - 08:01 ET by TheSterI agree...
WE ARE BETTER....
Teddy had some fine points....
...BUT...
REMEMBER TONY SNOW???
REMEMBER HOW U FELT WHEN KOS AND HUF POST DEMEANED HIS LIFE????????
I DO NOT WANT NB TO GET TO THAT LEVEL!!!
We are better.
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
I agree with Roger on this
August 26, 2009 - 07:40 ET by MassConservativeI agree with Roger on this one. I was not a fan of the man or anything he stood for but my condolences do go out to his family. If you need something to occupy your mind while suffering through the endless fawning over the next week or so just keep in mind that the filibuster proof majority is now gone and that ObamaCare may be deader than Kennedy at this point.
2012 campaign slogan - "Carter got his 2nd term, NOW can we move on?"
My condolences DON'T go out to the family
August 26, 2009 - 07:52 ET by Lord ErondThis family that is fawned over like they are royalty when honest, innocent men died 230+ years ago to throw off the shackles of tyranny, royal oppression and privilege.
Too many people are more than willing to give this disgraceful den of cockroaches called "the Kennedy clan" a pass, or worse, use the title "American Royalty".
We fought a revolution to throw OUT the royalty. And I certainly won't condone or respect a family that never encouraged their drunken uncle to pay his debt to society and Mary Jo.
So I hope they're all suffering robustly. They ignored the suffering of the families who they plowed under in their grand quest for more political power.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
§ Hey LORD!!! U SUCK!!!
August 26, 2009 - 08:10 ET by TheSterYeah!!
BAD TASTE DUDE!!
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
Lord E, it doesn't matter
August 26, 2009 - 08:34 ET by motherbeltLord E, it doesn't matter that they were fawned over, or anything else.
They are still human, and have lost a beloved member of their family!
It's less than classy to delight in their sorrow.
§ MB!! Hello! Yeah...Lord.. BAD TASTE!
August 26, 2009 - 08:40 ET by TheSterLord...not here...
Not Now...
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
I'm with Roger. I didn't
August 26, 2009 - 07:52 ET by Hero SquadI'm with Roger. I didn't agree with pretty much anything Ted Kennedy stood for, but I think this is not the time for metaphorically dancing on one's grave.
I can appreciate, though, the character and restraint it will take over the next few days to not wish to counterbalance some of the gushing that will take place, particularly from those who showed no remorse or simply displayed exuberance and glee over the passing of the likes of Bob Novak and Tony Snow.
*
Hero's "retro" blog. / "People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
If not now then when?
August 26, 2009 - 11:49 ET by UtherpendAfter the news medias have moved on to another more trivial story? When they finally finish squeezing money out of Michael Jacksons corpse? When they pass the health care bill in Teddys name?
No thank you. That type of thinking lost us the house and senate and eventually the presidency. The time for trying to be the nice guy is over.
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
Agreed Roger
August 26, 2009 - 09:01 ET by BlondeWe are neither judge nor jury, therefore it isn't up to us to judge the man's life.
My condolences to Ted Kennedy's family.
I hope he fails, too.
"He was not responsible for a genocide or something like that"
August 26, 2009 - 09:09 ET by vrwc133000+ may not agree...
v
Yes, can't disagree with
August 26, 2009 - 09:10 ET by Jack BauerYes, can't disagree with that.
And the left is going to use Kennedy's death to ram through the healthcare debacle.
Had to laugh listening to Fred Barnes on the phone to Aynsley Erhart on Fox as news broke.
Fred said "lion of the senate blah blah..."
Then Aynsley asked "What would his legislative legacy be ... Fred says "Er, nothing."
Shrubster, I am not sure
August 26, 2009 - 12:51 ET by MightyMouthShrubster, I am not sure everyone gets your wry sense of humor. Be assured your old buddy MM does! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,
August 26, 2009 - 16:15 ET by R D HelmChuckling here.
-Dave
Kennedy was truly
August 26, 2009 - 07:16 ET by dvdaughtryKennedy was truly impressive during his political career.
I would be impressed with anyone who could perform his duties with brain cancer for 77 years.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Clever
August 26, 2009 - 09:37 ET by misterbillClever -- good --funny!!!
Blame
August 26, 2009 - 07:16 ET by dr-goWhen he was first running for the Senate against Eddie McCormack in the primary and was engaged in a tv debate, McCormack said "If your name was Edward Moore instead of Edward Moore Kennedy, your candidacy would be a joke."
So, blame the robotic voters who lacked the intelligence to use any form of foresight for electing him to office. Ted, barely thirty years of age, was just looking for a job.
~I won't speak ill of the dead
August 26, 2009 - 07:20 ET by choselife3xTed Kennedy always wanted people to get their "fair share". May God give him his. That is all.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
"Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment."
August 26, 2009 - 07:29 ET by lkoturNormal
0
"Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for
comment."
§ Watching MSNBC NOW....OMK...
August 26, 2009 - 07:47 ET by TheSterRIP Teddy.
That said....
OH MY KENNEDY??
Watch and Learn....MEDIA BIAS!!!
Lets see the the Media Coverage...
Contrast to....
Which Republican Senator who died and the coverage we will see now...
PLEASE FILL IN THE BLANK!!!
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
"lion"
August 26, 2009 - 07:47 ET by WarmanTeddie boy was truly the "lion" of the senate,he regularly feasted on christians and our way of life for years.RIP Teddy,hopefully our circus maximus will die with you
No, don't rest in peace
August 26, 2009 - 07:47 ET by Lord ErondI sincerely hope this filthy murdering corrupt bastard burns in hell for eternity.
I suppose I should be demonstrating some modicum of decency but Kennedy destroyed too many innocent lives to be worthy of such commentary.
Rest in peace now, Mary Jo
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
§ Lord is a TROLL?
August 26, 2009 - 08:05 ET by TheSterI call BS on this Post!!!
Got a problem with me calling U out?
U know where I am!
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
§ ALERT!!! Kennedy Trolls making NB look BAD???
August 26, 2009 - 07:52 ET by TheSterTHINK ABOUT IT!!!
Hmmmmm......
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
Sen. Caroline Kennedy?
August 26, 2009 - 07:54 ET by BKeyserSo has any decision been made on how to replace him? I know the current law required a special election- which was put in place when Kerry ran for King and Romney was governor- all to prevent Mitt from appointing a Repub to replace Kerry had he been able to steal the election. But now they've got a Dim in office and he will certainly appoint another Dim (Caroline, anyone?) if the law is changed. Even Teddy new the winds of "change" would not go well if a special election would be held in this political climate...
There will be a special
August 26, 2009 - 08:05 ET by MassConservativeThere will be a special election. Even with overwhelming majorities in the house and Senate here the Dems wouldn't have the cajones to push through another law change just 5 years later for completely transparent political reasons. The 1st time was bad enough and left a pretty sour taste.
Plus many of these people now have their eyes on the bigger prize and need an election. They would hamstring their own ambitions by changing the rules.
2012 campaign slogan - "Carter got his 2nd term, NOW can we move on?"
Thanks for the update Mass~
August 26, 2009 - 08:16 ET by BKeyserI knew it would be an unabashed political disgrace to change the law, but since Teddy specifically asked for it, I thought the legislature might actually comply. Glad to know their stuck with their own mess now.
Caroline Kennedy to replace Ted? I don't...
August 26, 2009 - 20:23 ET by PrairieSkythink so...Number 1, she's not a Massachussetts resident, but lives in New York, and number 2, she has shown herself to be a pretty dim bulb this last year, when her name was being tossed around as a possible candidate for Hillary's senate seat. Her disastrous interview with the New York Times was a real eye opener for many, in which she was revealed to be completely ineloquent and lacking any of her family's oft reported charm or political energy.
Scratch Caroline off the list for sure.
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
→ Prairie
August 26, 2009 - 20:28 ET by Cool ArrowI think it's a wonderful idea.
She could, like, um, you know, like tell people, like, um, you know that, um they could, like, get money, um, from, people who have jobs.
We will Barry you! - Russian prophecy
Cool...Oh, pleeeaase! Don't remind me!! She was just...
August 26, 2009 - 20:35 ET by PrairieSkyawful! I was actually rather shocked that someone with her supposed educational pedigree could be that horrendously ineloquent, bordering on sounding illiterate. She went to Columbia for crying out loud, where you would think that they would at least expect (or teach) her to know how to string a few coherent sentences together...Sheesh! Just awful...
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan
One should not speak ill of
August 26, 2009 - 07:55 ET by dscottOne should not speak ill of the dead, at least not until he is good and burried. Since Pelosi was partisan enough to make his death a political rallying cry, my hope that with the passing of this most polarizing figure of our time is that ObamaCare, Cap & Trade, and Hate Crimes legislation will finally be put to rest with him.
I think it ironic that Kennedy was wanting to pass ObamaCare, when in life years or their other euphemisms that he would be denied care because of his age and the aggressiveness of the disease.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
May He
August 26, 2009 - 08:00 ET by JustAlBIH
May you Rest in Peace Mary Jo Kopeckne
August 26, 2009 - 08:03 ET by CThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jo_Kopechne
I form one am going to take
August 26, 2009 - 08:11 ET by MassConservativeI for one am going to take Kennedy's calls for service for our country and his championing of liberal causes like the environment to heart. I am going to honor his legacy by starting a fund raising drive.
I want to see if we can raise enough money to build the Kopechne Memorial Bridge to replace the aging and environmentally unfriendly "Chappy Ferry" that now operates where the bridge to Chapaquiddick used to be.
http://chappyferry.net/
2012 campaign slogan - "Carter got his 2nd term, NOW can we move on?"
Let's be better than the liberals
August 26, 2009 - 08:18 ET by ArminiusLast week I read many insensitive comments from liberals after Robert Novak died. I read similar comments after Ronald Reagan and Tony Snow died, and after Laura Ingraham was diagnosed with cancer.
I despised Ted Kennedy's politics, especially the way he went after Robert Bork. However, I think this is a time for us to show that we are better than the liberals. The mainstream media are and will continue to portray Kennedy as a great man and the "lion of the Senate," and they will ignore or gloss over the negative parts of his life. We're going to have to suck it up the next few days and ignore it. He was not a good man. However, we should not be dancing on his grave.
I agree, Arminius
August 26, 2009 - 08:26 ET by FeynmanFanThis is the time to lay aside politics and show respect for his family.
"I support the President but not his policies" - Blonde
Manslaughter and obstruction of justice are not partisan issues.
August 27, 2009 - 08:53 ET by TailgunnerAnd how much respect did the Kennedy machine show to the Kopechne family as they rolled over them in the process of protecting his political career?
Kennedy was a despicable, criminal, self-centered, arrogant and evil person...politics aside.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
§ Arminius...I Agree...WE ARE NOT KOS!!!
August 26, 2009 - 08:27 ET by TheSterI totally am with you!
NB will not be dragged downed to their level!
Ster.
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher
Dancing on his grave....
August 26, 2009 - 09:13 ET by Jarhead68You're right, we should be doing something else on his grave. He is responsible for more deaths than any of our presidents, war time or not. Every aborted baby, everyone who died at the hands of Pol Pot and the commies in Vietnam after we pulled out. So many more, not to mention Mary Jo Kopechne. Lion of the Senate my arse. Lyin' of the Senate is more apropos.
I Respectfully Disagree
August 26, 2009 - 09:17 ET by JustAlThere is a reason the socialists won in the case of Bork, and in the cases of the judicial nominations of the last administration. That reason is the myth of "the moral high ground." Conservatives and to a lessor degree Libertarians are not driven by emotion so much as by logic, so despite having control of the Congress the GOP compromised and negotiated away the power granted them by the electorate in the name of "bipartisanship" since, "we are better than they are."
Bollocks. . . the socialists are not merely political opponents, they are the sworn enemies of the principles of individual freedom, individual responsibility, and limited government. . . and if we are unwilling to show the same level of emotion and conviction to defeat them then we will loose.
Ted Kennedy was scum, being dead only makes him dead scum, everything, every single thing he did in public life was designed to undermine the principles this country was founded on.
Many of us cherish the right to free speech and so did not complain when the socialists spoke their mind about Reagan, Novak, or Snow. Many of us know we are better than them, not for holding our tongues when a demagogue like Kennedy dies, but for opposing him and his kind by any and all means legally available.
Taking the "We're better than that" attitude shows weakness to the enemy, not strength. Because the "moral high ground" is of precious little solace when your nation lies buried there.
Just my opinion of course.
You said: "Many of us
August 26, 2009 - 09:46 ET by vrwc13You said: "Many of us cherish the right to free speech and so did not complain when the socialists spoke their mind about Reagan, Novak, or Snow. Many of us know we are better than them, not for holding our tongues when a demagogue like Kennedy dies, but for opposing him and his kind by any and all means legally available. "
I agree, we need to show respect, but not at the sake of the truth of what a man's deeds truely were. There are times to be silent, but there are times to speak in truth and love the reality of one's action both in life and death.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. - Proverbs 26:4,5
v
~Wow
August 26, 2009 - 10:12 ET by choselife3xTaking the "We're better than that" attitude shows weakness to the
enemy, not strength. Because the "moral high ground" is of precious
little solace when your nation lies buried there.
That last sentence went to my heart.
The person willing to sacrifice the most is the one who wins the fight. The only way to overcome is to give it your all.
The thing is, venting spleen at a dead man serves no purpose. Ranting about him will only reflect poorly on us. Speaking the truth and defeating this evil, socialist takeover of America can be done without spewing. We need to use our passion and love for our country to fight for everything that makes America great, not squander it cursing a dead man.
Let's all remember Ted Kennedy by calling our reps, contributing to the campaigns of people who uphold the Constitution, and speaking the truth about the consequences of the liberal agenda. Keeping the moral high ground doesn't mean pulling your punches, it just means not becoming what you're fighting against. Fight for America because you love her, not just because you hate her enemies.
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
"Ted Kennedy was scum, being dead only makes him dead scum"
August 26, 2009 - 17:53 ET by RayRayI like that :)
It's nice to see *somebody* speaking the truth after all the lying praise given to him. Keep up the good work.
It didn't take long for
August 27, 2009 - 11:18 ET by fitzfongIt didn't take long for someone to trot out that lame cliche. It's this self-important, fruitless, uniquely Republican pursuit to "be better than liberals" that enabled a poisonous crook like Ted Kennedy to acquire the unchecked power to irreparably damage this nation the way he has. The more the Republican Party employs the likes of Orrin Hatch, Lindsey Graham and John McCain to politely and respectfully "oppose" "our misguided friends" and our "cross-aisle colleagues" like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin to maintain some misplaced sense of moral superiority, the more the nation suffers the consequences of their destructive policies. So, if it makes you feel better not to "sink to their level", go for it...but keep in mind, nobody will give you credit for your "principled" position because only you care about it. And don't expect those of us who are, at best, indifferent to the demise of this scumbag to feel any shame for expressing our hostility...we don't, nor should we.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Fitz,
August 28, 2009 - 13:12 ET by UpNorthI totally agree. I just heard former Senator John Warner claim that "Teddy" was just a marvelous man. Gag me with a spork..... John Warner, Orrin Hatch and John McCain, to name three, are the reasons this country is teetering on the edge of being turned into a banana republic.
On another note, the CIA announced this afternoon, that the CIA will pay the legal costs of any employee involved in this fishing expedition sought by Eric, My firm represents those terrorists, Holder. Pass the popcorn, this is just getting better and better.
Irony from heaven
August 26, 2009 - 08:24 ET by billburzFirstly, I am sure that God has Ted Kennedy with him. Except for a few very serious screwups, he led a good life and was mostly a principled man.
I am struck however by the fact that his critical vote for, and his action on behalf of, Health Reform (Obamacide) was taken away from him before he could see a positive result.
If you believe that Kennedy is with God, as I do, then you could also postulate that God perhaps did not like the direction that Obamacide was taking.
That is the ultimate Irony.
Nonetheless RIP Ted kennedy.
Billburz
"If you believe that Kennedy is with God..."
August 26, 2009 - 17:55 ET by RayRaysure, if you can post a photocopy of God's NARAL membership card.
A 'few very serious screwups'??
August 27, 2009 - 00:04 ET by TailgunnerAnd Jeffrey Dahmer had unique 'tastes' in food.
Ted Kennedy got drunk, ran off a bridge, killed a young girl and used the full weight of his political machine to obstruct the investigation, escape accountability and deny her family closure.
Ted Kennedy deliberately undermined this country's battle against Islamic terrorism by falsely accusing President Bush of telling 'lie after lie after lie' and intentionally giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Manslaughter and treason are not 'screwups'
Ted Kennedy was a thoroughly despicable person who escaped accountability for his egregious crimes (at least on earth).
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Rest in Peace
August 26, 2009 - 08:26 ET by momdmI didn't agree with much of what he said or did legislatively, but I don't want to be blind to what he did that was good. He was a powerful man who was able to help less powerful people and he did try to help everyone if he could. He was thoughtful and cared about people (compare this to our current President). Barnicle told how he would stop at the homes of families who lost love ones in the service on his way home from chemotherapy in Boston. Yes he made some big mistakes in his life and had many faults. I think that is true of a lot of people. Today for the first time, I'll think only of the good in him and may he rest in peace.
I disagreed politically
August 26, 2009 - 08:32 ET by Indiana JoeI disagreed politically with almost everything Ted Kennedy believed in. I disapproved of many of his personal actions. But we each owe a death, and he's paid his debt. "He's square with the house."
RIP. He will now be judged by One greater than us. My principles require I wish him well in that endeavor.
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." - Samuel Adams
ChickaBOOMer: Teddy's Dead
August 26, 2009 - 08:42 ET by StewartIIITeddy's Dead
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/teddys-dead.html
Obama on Ted: "The greatest United States Senator of our time."
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-on-ted-greatest-united-states.html
3000 to one...
August 26, 2009 - 08:47 ET by vrwc13As Ted Kennedy's soul passed from this world to the next, he is joined by the 3,000 unborn who also lost their life this day...
...During the 1990s and 2000s, NARAL Pro-Choice America and Planned Parenthood typically gave Kennedy ratings of 100 percent, while the National Right to Life Committee typically gave him a rating of less than 10 percent...
...I can only imagine the 3001 of them together as they meet their Maker...
v
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb. - Psalm 139:13
By his fruits, we know him
August 26, 2009 - 09:16 ET by dvdaughtryI'm a little annoyed at those that are demanding us to "take the higher road". We don't have to be sensative. No one has been vile (yet).
Instead, we will be remember the choices he made. Some are just bringing them back to light.
I find it funny that we can lamblast the guy as little as a few hours ago, and now that he is on the other side of the grass, we can't tell the truth anymore?
He'll answer for those choices like the rest of us. May God show mercy for us all.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Ted
August 26, 2009 - 08:54 ET by chuckshickI could swear I heard Matt Lauer describe Chappaquidick as "an unfortunate car accident." Yes, unfortunate.
Miss Kopechne was not
August 26, 2009 - 09:00 ET by mattmMiss Kopechne was not available for comment.
Justice delayed...
August 26, 2009 - 09:08 ET by Jarhead68Finally, Ted Kennedy gets the justice he deserved 40 years ago. RIP Mary Jo Kopechne.
Sometime around midnight, on July 18, 1969 Kennedy drove his
August 26, 2009 - 09:31 ET by Rush FanOldsmobile 88 off of a small bridge on Chappaquiddick island, into eight feet of chilly water. The vehicle landed upside-down. While Kennedy managed to free himself from the wreck and swim to safety, his passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne was left in the car to drown......
Then Kennedy’s story takes an even stranger turn.
After the failed rescue attempts, Kennedy claims to have jumped back into the water and made the 500-foot swim across the channel back to Edgartown. He then walked back to his hotel and spent the night. He even took the time to change clothes and pay a visit to the front-desk, to complain about a noisy party--no doubt Kennedy's sloppy attempt at securing an alibi.
The next morning, Gargan and Markham around 8:00 a.m., and were supposedly shocked to discover that Kennedy never reported the accident to police. According to Kennedy‘s own testimony, he told them: "about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel ... that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive".....
It was not until 10a.m., over nine hours after driving-off of the bridge that Ted Kennedy went to the police station in Edgarton to report the accident.
Dave Gibson, writing for the Norfolk Crime Examiner, in an article titled 40th anniversary of Mary Jo Kopechne's drowning at Chappaquiddick...Kennedy's story still doubtful.
Here is the audio of Kennedy's lying explanation of the murder.
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There is no pillow so soft as a clear conscience. ~French Proverb
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August 26, 2009 - 14:40 ET by R D HelmDeleted by poster.
-Dave
Rest in peace. The Rocky
August 26, 2009 - 09:54 ET by wiwfRest in peace.
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