On Friday night’s Hardball, guest host Lawrence O’Donnell enthusiastically promoted HBO’s new, glowing Ted Kennedy documentary.
He began by declaring "There‘s so much ground to cover. We don‘t have enough time for this. And I want to show the people out there, people under 60, who don‘t know the early Ted Kennedy, don‘t remember the early Ted Kennedy, I want to show what you have got in this movie." But O’Donnell’s interview completely left out the biggest scandal of "the early Ted Kennedy" – the death of Mary Jo Kopechne at Chappaquiddick.
This seemed especially odd as O’Donnell recounted with filmmaker Caroline Waterlow how Richard Nixon was obsessed with Ted Kennedy:
O'DONNELL: Imagine that. Here you are, a senator. You have a president of the United States obsessing all day, is there something we can hang on him. Is there something we can accuse him of?
WATERLOW: With all—to think of Teddy, with all the things he was dealing with politically and within his family and all of the losses he has suffered, he was also—
O'DONNELL: He lost his oldest brother in World War II. He then has his remaining oldest brother assassinated November 22nd, 1963, as president of the United States. His then—his remaining oldest brother is assassinated while running for president in 1968. And at this point, having lived through all of that, here we are in 1972 and Nixon is trying to figure out how to make this guy‘s life worse.
WATERLOW: Yes.
O'DONNELL: But he perseveres. He keeps going. And he eventually himself wants to run for the presidency.
WATERLOW: Yes. That was something that I also had not fully appreciated going into this project, that from about ‘68 right after Bobby‘s death, people are talking to him about running for president. And there was an effort to draft him in ‘68 to take Bobby‘s place, and really for—yes, up until 1980 or ‘79 when he finally decides he is going to run for president president, this is a question that‘s hanging over him and it‘s something people are asking him about that whole time.
O'DONNELL: When you look at that early Senate career of Ted Kennedy, leading up prior to running for president in the ‘80s, it‘s hard to find the easy year for Teddy. Early on as senator, he had a plane crash, a small plane goes down in western Massachusetts. He‘s in the plane. He injuries his back. He‘s never going to be able to walk the same way again for the rest of his life.
One of the things I think about when I watch him in front of these audiences like last summer is the young kids don‘t understand what the older people in that convention hall—what‘s happened to them when they‘re crying listening to Ted Kennedy. They don‘t know the emotional base of the relationship that he has with those voters.
Let‘s take a look at Ted Kennedy giving what I believe was the most public eloquent public eulogy ever given. It was his eulogy of his brother, Robert Kennedy.
T. KENNEDY: My brother need not be idealized or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life. To be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, who saw suffering and tried to heal it, who saw war and tried to stop it.
O'DONNELL: Not easy to watch.
WATERLOW: No, it‘s incredibly emotional moment, and really we tried very hard in this film—it‘s entirely archival interviews and footage. We tried to let the footage speak for itself. You can see the emotion and you can see Teddy just by watching him and letting it play.
It's not like the HBO film leaves Chappaquiddick out, which it shouldn't, because it was a continuing obstacle to Kennedy's White House dreams. But MSNBC feels comfortable airbrushing it out of their warm, fuzzy historical memories.
Even so, HBO isn't playing hardball, as seen in its promotional copy: "Through the years, Teddy's reputation as a liberal icon fighting for the rights of the underprivileged has been balanced by his ascension to family patriarch, where he has brought counsel, wisdom and love to a new generation of civic-minded Kennedys."
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.
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Mary Jo WHO????? I'll bet
July 14, 2009 - 07:58 ET by motherbeltMary Jo WHO?????
I'll bet she's given short shrift in the actual documentary too.
Something like "a tragic accident in which a young woman died".....
Oh, poor Teddy. Another of the Kennedys cursed by fate...always the victim.
<gag>
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Curse of the Kennedy's
July 14, 2009 - 10:22 ET by ricklailI heard someone comment that because of the largeness of the family there were more opportunities for tragedy.
My grandfather had 15 brothers and sisters. He did die young but that was the result of TB which I was told came from being gas during WWI. None of the 15 died due to a tragedy. They didn't drown anybody in a creek. They were all productive members of society. They raised kids and grandkids to be the same. Of all the decents of John Sidney and Emma Sherrill Abernathy I can't think of but two grandsons, Bobby Abernathy and Paul Lawing, Jr, that died tragically. Both were killed in Vietnam.
So don't hand me this crap about a big family. I believe there is a curse on the Kennedys and it comes from there dad being a bootlegger.
Semper suprene nitens
North Carolina now has the worst government money can buy.
→ Kennedy Curse?
July 14, 2009 - 10:46 ET by Cool ArrowJoe Jr. died in WWII. Hardly an event reserved for the rich and famous alone.
Joe Sr. bought a Presidential election from Mayor Daley in Chicago, for his son JFK. I doubt Senator JFK would have been assassinated.
Bobby? I don't know, except he followed on the coattails of an ill-gotten boon.
It's my belief that America suffered the loss of 58,000 servicemen as a result of Kennedy power greed. Now that's a curse!
Of course we've all taken off in our private planes, lacking the proper training to attempt night flying, haven't we?
And all of us have engaged in playing football while downhill skiing, haven't we?
On a more somber note, there can't be too many families in America that haven't suffered extreme tragedy resultant of drunken driving.
Mary Jo WHO?
July 14, 2009 - 11:17 ET by GalvanicYou know . . . Mary Jo . . . the woman who stalked poor Teddy. Her refusal to escape with the Senator from the submerged automobile at Chappaquiddick and her subsequent death, derailed St. Teddy's ascension to the White House, as she probably had intended.
You see, Teddy was faithful to his alcoholic wife Joan (and we all know how abusive alcoholics can be), and told Mary Jo that he could give her a ride but that's all, because as he would never stray from his marital obligations to his wife.
Perhaps they shopuld look
July 14, 2009 - 08:14 ET by MidAmericaPerhaps they shopuld look into the time when teddy thought he should institute his own foreign policy while being only a senator.
Kengor: It was a May 14, 1983 letter from the head of the KGB, Viktor Chebrikov, to the head of the USSR, the odious Yuri Andropov, with the highest level of classification. Chebrikov relayed to Andropov an offer from Senator Ted Kennedy, presented by Kennedy’s old friend and law-school buddy, John Tunney, a former Democratic senator from California, to reach out to the Soviet leadership at the height of a very hot time in the Cold War. According to Chebrikov, Kennedy was deeply troubled by the deteriorating relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union, which he believed was bringing us perilously close to nuclear confrontation. Kennedy, according to Chebrikov, blamed this situation not on the Soviet leadership but on the American president---Ronald Reagan. Not only was the USSR not to blame, but, said Chebrikov, Kennedy was, quite the contrary, “very impressed” with Andropov.
That's a Democratic trait.
July 14, 2009 - 10:41 ET by kgThat's a Democratic trait. Pelosi tried it under Bush as well as Obama trying to dictate the end of the war "after" the election. And Carter...well we all know about him.
"DumbAssity of Dope"
Kennedy impressed with Andropov
July 14, 2009 - 16:02 ET by NotFondOfLibsIn case some Americans don't know, Yuri Andropov was probably complicit in the plot that may have been developed by Mikhail Suslov to have a Russian submarine shoot a nuclear missile at Pearl Harbor in March, 1968. The idea of the plot was to put the blame on Red China which had a submarine of the same type the Soviet Union had. Their goal was to cause a war between the U.S. and Red China. Fortunately, the missile blew up inside the submarine, the K-129 and sunk 16,000 feet in the Pacific. Andropov was head of the KGB and Suslov was the Russian Communist Party ideologue. For Kennedy to go over the head of the President of the United States was contemptible and Kennedy should have been called upon to resign for his actions.
Did O’Donnell’s interview include...
July 14, 2009 - 08:19 ET by needle...Teddy’s cheating while at Harvard?
These things contribute to a fuller understanding of not only his integrity but also the integrity of the Media whose creature he is.
- Relying upon the MSM for your information is like relying upon an embezzler to manage your portfolio.
The brothers Kennedy
July 14, 2009 - 08:48 ET by east tennessee johnBorn rich and pampered they used their position to cheat on their spouses, violate any oaths they may have taken and caused the deaths of innocents, besides Mary Jo. But they were "good" democrats so all is whitewashed, all is forgiven.
Pampered, irresponsible, lying, cheating, untrustworthy . . .
July 14, 2009 - 11:19 ET by GalvanicCommon traits of male Kennedys, passed down from father/uncle to son/nephew.
The 40th anniversary of
July 14, 2009 - 09:16 ET by ricklailThe 40th anniversary of Chappaquiddick is coming up this Saturday the 18th. There needs to be some type of memorial for Mary Jo. Teddy said I'll drink to that!
Semper suprene nitens
North Carolina now has the worst government money can buy.
Kennedy....
July 14, 2009 - 09:22 ET by adamsmithAsked to comment, Mary Jo replied, "Blub blub, blub blub blub blub."
Kennedy the Killer..........
And I was one of those
July 14, 2009 - 09:31 ET by buddycAnd I was one of those voters! I changed once I learned what the Kennedy's were really like.
Ted is a dispicable waste of human flesh. He is a walking talking example of the need for birth control.
He killed a woman. He virtually killed his first wife dring her to drugs and alchohol. Btw, the found her passed out in the street a few years ago.
unbiased coverage
July 14, 2009 - 09:54 ET by konoC'mon, HBO only had time to mention the meaningful things in Kennedy's life -- not the imaginary or trivial... /s
Of course, if Kennedy had an [R] by his name but all else was the same, the entire 'documentary' would have been about Chappaquiddick, with about one minute in the middle to make a passing reference to the other 40+ years of his life.
If he had an R by his name,
July 14, 2009 - 10:25 ET by HockeyKidIf he had an R by his name, nothing else would have been the same. He would have been given at least life in prison for manslaughter, and people would only speak of him as "the black sheep of the Kennedy clan".
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
After all
July 14, 2009 - 10:03 ET by DragonsbreathIt is just water under the bridge right?
“Less 1984 — More 1776"
I read that his book is
July 14, 2009 - 10:24 ET by ricklailI read that his book is going to sell for $1000 as a limited edition. I am not going to buy it if they sell it in paperback for 5.99.
Semper suprene nitens
North Carolina now has the worst government money can buy.
Which book, "A Driving
July 14, 2009 - 10:30 ET by HockeyKidWhich book, "A Driving Guide to Chappaquiddick"? "I Ran From the Law and I Won"? or perhaps "Papa Can Make This Go Away, Too"? My favorite is probably, "Dead Party Girls Tell No Tales".
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Heheh..this can be fun...
July 14, 2009 - 12:41 ET by Lord ErondDriving Miss Daisy...off a bridge
Felony Murder for Dummies
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
Hate to put it so bluntly
July 14, 2009 - 11:11 ET by RowaneHate to put it so bluntly but Kennedy says bad things about the intelligence of Massachusetts voters. I mean, what do they find so impelling about this nimrod? There are supposed to be some things that money can't buy but a Mass Democrat seems to be able to buy even the voters' honor with tax money.
He's the living symbol of Camelot Lost
July 14, 2009 - 11:29 ET by GalvanicThough the expectations for Teddy -- youngest of the four Kennedy brothers -- were never high as long as one of the other three was alive, those who bought into Arthur Schlessinger's Camelot myth placed their remaining hopes in ne'er-do-well Ted. Chappaquiddick ended his shot at the White House (or so his fans believe), but the voters of Massachusetts fan the burning embers of Camelot's fading memory and lost opportunity everytime they reelect this little rich boy.
The next generation of Kennedys has been a universal flop, unable to live up to the Camelot expectations placed on them by Kennedy worshippers. Even those who've held or hold public officer a deeply flawed individuals.
This, too, speaks badly of
July 14, 2009 - 11:40 ET by RowaneThis, too, speaks badly of the folks in taxachusetts. They say that being insane is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome.
I'm not cutting the folks in my home state, Arkansas, any slack either. They keep sending big-government dems to DC. Heck, there wasn't even anyone on the ballot against them last election. I voted for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
Donald would make more sense
July 14, 2009 - 12:38 ET by Lord ErondSpeaks more clearly than any democrat I've ever heard.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
they keep re-electing him
July 14, 2009 - 11:33 ET by SouthJersey1953That is the one thing I have never been able to figure out......why do the idiots in Mass keep re-electing him? Worthless old fool (ignoring all the crimianl acts he has gotten away with throughout his life) should have been voted out of office decades ago.
"Maybe if we keep our heads buried in the sand, this will blow over" - The Congressional Republicans
Because...
July 14, 2009 - 12:37 ET by Lord ErondA good percentage of people from the state of Mass of two s--ts keep sticking his corpulent, festering ass back in office.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
They can't wait until he dies...
July 14, 2009 - 11:38 ET by SouthJersey1953The press had so much fun covering Michael J, that they can't wait for the next "big one" to fall so they are coming out with all this tribute stuff before he is even dead....
If we thought the MJ coverage was over the top, stand by....we ain't seen nothin' yet!
"Maybe if we keep our heads buried in the sand, this will blow over" - The Congressional Republicans
Sums it up neatly
July 14, 2009 - 16:08 ET by BlondeWhen the old Lion of the Senate roars for the last time...it's going to be wall to wall Kennedy for weeks.
I hope I'm in Costa Rica full time by then.
I hope he fails, too.
The Kopecknes
July 14, 2009 - 11:47 ET by a_survivorI was a young adult at the time of this murder. I was always very curious and shocked about the Kopeckne family taking a payoff. As I am now older, I believe they were probably bought-off with mafia type threats. I don't know who would take money to be quiet about the murder of their daughter and then remain quiet. It is part of the mystery of this murder apparently we will never know. I am open to anyone who knows the reason for their silence.
"I LOVE DEAD KENNEDY'S"
July 14, 2009 - 12:01 ET by jacktheripper"I LOVE DEAD KENNEDY'S"
I,of course, can't for
July 14, 2009 - 13:19 ET by pitter43I,of course, can't for certain know what happened but , knowing the family as I've come to, I can imagine it may have involved a death threat to the family if anything ever came out as well as a huge amount of money.
"Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment."
July 14, 2009 - 11:56 ET by lkoturNormal
0
John Farrar,
the diver who recovered Mary Jo Kopechne's body, in a statement, revealed that
her body was found in a pocket of air and that the cause of death was probably
due to suffocation. No autopsy was performed. We can never know for certain the
cause of death for Mary Jo Kopechne, but we can know for sure that "The
Lion of the Senate" decided to save his pudgy white a** and worry about
his "career" instead of getting help to try to save Mary Jo
Kopechne's life. Talk about a "Profile in Courage".
Re suffocation
July 14, 2009 - 13:32 ET by slickwillie2001Rescue personnel from Edgartown noted that there were scratch marks on the upholstery of the car, likely from Maryjo as she panicked. The bubble of air that she had would have likely allowed her to stay alive 30-60 minutes.
Pretty girls make graves.
July 14, 2009 - 11:57 ET by CrashNothing to see here folks! Just the MSM covering up unscrupulous Kennedy shenanigans brought to you by Trojan sex toys.
"The Neckbrace Press Conference"
July 14, 2009 - 12:02 ET by SickofLibsWonder if the HBO documentary will include possibly the most infamous lying-perp-speech of all time...
"The Neckbrace Press Conference."
Typical Kennedy melodrama
July 14, 2009 - 12:38 ET by GalvanicFor a great account of Chappaquiddick and the cover-up, I recommend Senatorial Privilege, which I read back in 1980. Reading the details of how the Kennedy and Massachusetts political machines circled the wagons around Ted Kennedy is both maddening and sickening.
"The ferry having shut down
July 14, 2009 - 14:03 ET by SickofLibs"The ferry having shut down for the night, I suddenly jumped into the water and impulsively swam across, nearly drowning once again in the effort, and returned to my hotel about 2:00 A.M...
...where I had several more Chivas Regals with the boys out on the deck."
"In the morning, with my mind somewhat more lucid, I made an effort to call a family legal advisor, Burke Marshall, from a public telephone on the Chappaquiddick side of the ferry and belatedly reported the accident to the Martha's Vineyard police...
Eight hours after the accident."
"The people of this State, the State which sent John Quincy Adams, and Daniel Webster, and Charles Sumner, and Henry Cabot Lodge, and John Kennedy to the United States Senate are entitled to representation in that body by men who inspire their utmost confidence. For this reason, I would understand full well why some might think it right for me to resign. For me this will be a difficult decision to make...
But hey, we Kennedys know that you idiots in Massachusetts will re-elect me for the rest of my natural life, so... cheers, RIP Mary Jo, and F all of you!"
From what I understand,
July 14, 2009 - 14:08 ET by Kat Outta the BagFrom what I understand, didn't he even attend Kopechne's funeral? Probably wanted to be sure she was good and buried and never able to speak the truth against him.
Kat: yup, and in his
July 14, 2009 - 15:07 ET by SickofLibsKat: yup, and in his signature neckbrace. WITH HIS WIFE.
If that was my daughter, I would have "introduced" him to the nearest shovel.
Aw...poor Teddy. Did he
July 14, 2009 - 15:20 ET by Kat Outta the BagAw...poor Teddy. Did he hurt his poor neck while swimming away from the dying woman? I bet he took it off as soon as he was out of sight from the cameras.
Aside from his numerous
July 14, 2009 - 12:05 ET by NL207Aside from his numerous other infractions of rules and laws, both great and small I have always been astounded that this man was never prosecuted for his role in the Kopechne death.
In Massachusetts, Kennedy committed the following crimes:
And this is a generous interpretation of these events. If an autopsy of the Kopechne girl had revealed her to be pregnant with Kennedy's child, as many suspect autopsy would have, then there is a case for bribery, obstruction of justice, evidence tampering, and premeditated murder.
I my book, Ted Kennedy will never be more than a coward and a drunken murderer.
NL
July 14, 2009 - 16:02 ET by DoktorFrankenI agree. And this is just his private life. The list of the damage done from his time in the Senate would be mind boggling.
NL... And this is a
July 14, 2009 - 16:09 ET by bigtimerNL...
And this is a generous interpretation of these events. If an autopsy
of the Kopechne girl had revealed her to be pregnant with Kennedy's
child, as many suspect autopsy would have, then there is a case for
bribery, obstruction of justice, evidence tampering, and premeditated
murder.
I've read a lot about this also...this is strictly my own opinion from my own deductions, but the Kennedy's of Camelot paid off the parents big time, because there was more there, and she was pregnant.
I imagine that has a lot to do with why we have never seen nor heard a peep out of them since.
May have been the only sensible thing to do at the time for them with the power the Kennedy's had then.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Stupid drunk bastard
July 14, 2009 - 12:28 ET by Lord ErondOverprivileged poodle of a filthy morally corrupt family. Glad he has brain cancer and I hope he meets Satan very soon
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
~Excuse me
July 14, 2009 - 12:34 ET by choselife3xThought I was on Kos for a second there....
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
HBO = Home Bulls**t Offerings
July 14, 2009 - 12:32 ET by Galvanic". . . But MSNBC feels comfortable airbrushing it out of their warm, fuzzy historical memories. "
Great application of the term airbrushing -- harking back to images of the Soviet/Stalin practice of airbrushing people out of photographs.
And for the same reason: rewriting history.
"Through the years, Teddy's reputation as a liberal icon fighting for the rights of the underprivileged has been balanced by his ascension to family patriarch, where he has brought counsel, wisdom and love to a new generation of civic-minded Kennedys."
Who wrote that tripe? It doesn't even make any sense. ". . balanced by his ascension to family patriarch . . ." Huh?
Balanced?
July 14, 2009 - 12:34 ET by Lord ErondHe was so stinking drunk all the time, I don't know how he could remotely balance his own fat ass never mind anything else.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
Protest signs at Kennedy's Funeral
July 14, 2009 - 12:32 ET by Lord Erond"Ha ha ha!"
"I guess you found a judge you couldn't bribe,eh Ted?"
"Say hello to Mary Jo..oh she went the other direction"
"Ding dong the drunk is dead!"
"Justice for Mary Jo at last"
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
Not enough time
July 14, 2009 - 12:43 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsTed Kennedy, so many links, so little time. Wonder, did that documentary have any reference to excessive drinking?
D
Write Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
DTTF... If they did, I
July 14, 2009 - 13:55 ET by bigtimerDTTF...
If they did, I bet it was skimmed over...skimmed over and miminized a lot.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
~BT
July 14, 2009 - 13:56 ET by choselife3xYou ever going to admit to NL207 that I never accused you of being a leftist or are you going to continue to keep him in the dark?
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Repetitious...getting old,
July 14, 2009 - 14:01 ET by bigtimerRepetitious...getting old, tiring.
Move on clx.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
~You avoided me on the Open Thread yesterday
July 14, 2009 - 14:06 ET by choselife3xI just got a PM back from NL207. You going to admit you misled him in your response to him or keep up the lie? Do you want me to bring this up every time you make a post about other people's lack of integrity? I will make a forum on it, I will follow you. The truth matters, you are deceiving a fellow poster and a good man. Why?
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
You've carried this on for
July 14, 2009 - 14:17 ET by bigtimerYou've carried this on for months now...I don't click on your links, they are the same ol'same ol'...you started this... you seem to need to carry on and on about this.
As far as I am concerned you aren't worth the bother answering anymore.
Get over yourself.
I have nothing to apologize for, I thanked NL for supporting me...nothing more, nothing less.
Try to contribute to topics on the threads...that would be refreshing cl....I don't bother wasting my time sending links I have that you have done to attempt to hurt me to anyone...sad you need to do that...immaturity is something you may grow out of...someday.
Hope Springs Eternal.
I am saying this for the last time sweetheart...I am moving on, try to do the same....I imagine some people tire of it...I know I do.
Btw...I don't sit at the board all day in anticipation of you and what you post...I was gone yesterday for a quite awhile...makes no difference one way or the other, whether I would have replied to you or not.
Start a forum thread again, maybe you'll end up changing the title of it again like you did before, your beating a dead horse here cl.
I am done with this.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
~Wow
July 14, 2009 - 14:26 ET by choselife3xDoes the truth mean nothing to you? I point out the hypocrisy of your attitude about liberal plants on another site as opposed to the ones here and NL207 somehow thought I was accusing you of being one. And you confirmed this false impression. You knew it was false, but because it would give him a negative impression of me you confirmed it. Have you no integrity? Who's trying to hurt who?
Why do you stoop to such deception? You lied to him. Plain and simple. Even now you can't deny it, you just act like it doesn't matter.
I'll be happy to go change the forum name back if you want. I altered it to put my conclusion there, since it seems the title is the only thing most people read. Nice attempt at a deflection, BTW.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
I lie to no one. Now move
July 14, 2009 - 14:33 ET by bigtimerI lie to no one.
Now move on, and for the last time clx...try to move on to threads and contribute to the topic of the thread if that is possible for you to do, your vendetta is obvious...and old.
You never know gal, we may agree some issues that matter here, and what NBs is about.
Try it sometime.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
~We agree on many things, BT
July 14, 2009 - 14:47 ET by choselife3xI never had a problem with you till you defended Queen Mum for repeatedly attacking my children and my motherhood.
I responded to this post of yours--
I really enjoyed reading a lot of the posts too...here is the link again if you haven't been there and want to read all the inside info of what they have uncovered.
With this--
~Hypocrite
July 12, 2009 - 21:31 ET by choselife3x
The same thing was happening here and you attacked me repeatedly and you attacked rexdraconim
for exposing it. Either admit you were an ass or STFU about enjoying
the inside info on the Freepers plot. Want me to copy every single one
of your snide remarks and putdowns about what was uncovered on NB?
Signed,
"Nancy Drew"
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And NL207 thought from that post that I was accusing you of being a lefty. Which you know was not the case.
Chose, you may not agree
July 12, 2009 - 22:40 ET by NL207
Chose,
you may not agree with BT on everything, or even anything, though I
think this highly unlikely, but BT is not a Kossack, liberal plant or
spy.
NL...
Thank you.
Anyone
July 12, 2009 - 23:19 ET by bigtimer
NL...
Thank you.
Anyone that knows me knows better.
~Anyone that reads links thoroughly
July 13, 2009 - 08:59 ET by choselife3x
Knows I never accused you of being a leftist. Which you also know and did not bother to correct either NL207 or well99.
They knocked over a strawman and you thanked them for it. "Past pathetic".
~Where did that come from?
July 13, 2009 - 08:54 ET by choselife3x
I never implied she was. I pointed out that she attacked me and another poster personally for exposing the posters here who were lib plants.
I'm sorry that you completely misunderstood the point of my comment.
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You misled them to believe something that was not true. That's called lying. I'm done with you now.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Move on cl. Doubling down
July 14, 2009 - 14:52 ET by bigtimerMove on cl.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Oh give me a break...Mary
July 14, 2009 - 12:43 ET by bigtimerOh give me a break...Mary Jo and Chappaquiddick is never going to go away...it will be known, always, no matter what the msm tries to do to tamp it down, omit it etc....reconstruction history isn't going to work when it comes the the filth Kennedy got away with, and still does, always will regarding the msm...we all know how it will be when the Lyin' of the Senate meets his maker when it comes to the msm, it will be a time to take a vacation from the tv screen for sure, we thought Jackson and Di was repetitious, that carried on for days and days, years with the anniversaries of the death of Di....we ain't seen nothing yet!
Make sure to have barf-bags and duct tape in full supply.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
In a larger cosmic sense
July 14, 2009 - 12:49 ET by Lord ErondKennedy is the epitome of modern liberalism. It is moral relativism at its finest. I have no doubt that Ted has helped some during his long and mostly useless drunk life but it was in all likelihood coincidental with his own self interest. So he uses that to excuse the horrible crime he committed. One has to just look at this festering pile of sewage to see how much he's had to salve his psychological wounds with alcohol.
In as much as Bill Klinton could not be honest even when he was caught with the 'smoking gun' liberals will never admit wrong if they pay a price for it. They see morals and ethics as 'quaint' and an antiquated notion of religion that they don't subscribe to. Kennedy embodies this godless philosophy and attitude completely.
We are losing nothing when this corpulent fat bag shuffles off this mortal coil.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
You mean to tell me that he
July 14, 2009 - 13:14 ET by pitter43You mean to tell me that he forgot the single most important fact about drunkin Ted? That he's a murderer whose family money kept him from prison, when he actually deserves to visit old sparkey? Maybe I better call him and remind him.
Kennedy is
July 14, 2009 - 13:21 ET by jessieHKennedy is either a murderer, or he covered up a murder for his brother.
Ted Kennedy is a prime
July 14, 2009 - 13:31 ET by Kat Outta the BagTed Kennedy is a prime example of why we need term limits in the Senate.
Howdy Kat... I've been
July 14, 2009 - 13:39 ET by bigtimerHowdy Kat...
I've been back and fourth on term limits, I wished it were only three years myself, just seems no matter what these people will still be reelected, after-all they are term-limited now, albeit 6 yrs, but to me it's up to the voters to become informed, and they never do...let alone all the cheating that they get away with.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I see what you mean, but
July 14, 2009 - 13:51 ET by Kat Outta the BagI see what you mean, but unfortunately the fools in MA who keep this joker in business make it difficult for the rest of us. Kennedy has been in the Senate since before I was even born...there's just no logic to that.
On a funny note, I recall a comedian (can't remember who) once saying that Ted is to the Kennedy family what Fredo was to the Corleone family. LOL
Re Fredo
July 14, 2009 - 14:37 ET by slickwillie2001That's funny. You could also make the more serious case that the Kennedy's Fredo was Rosemary.
Poor Rosemary...she was a
July 14, 2009 - 14:41 ET by Kat Outta the BagPoor Rosemary...she was a little bit slow so Daddy lobotomized her and made her a vegetable. Teddy being a male child is probably the only thing that stopped him from meeting the same fate.
Yep, she was one of the
July 14, 2009 - 14:49 ET by bigtimerYep, she was one of the pretty Kennedy gals too...but seemed to be a problem with men/sex for the family.
I've read a lot during my life about the Kennedy Family...and of course this too...it was sad all the way around.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Rosemary keep a
July 14, 2009 - 17:33 ET by stratmanRosemary keep a diary/journal and had what I would consider above average writing skills. Based on these writings, I don't think Rosemary was intellectually challenged.
Papa Joe was a SOB, plain and simple. He also was probably at the end of his rope with what he considered Rosemary's labile emotional behavior. She was not controllable, and, given the "perfect" picture his other more malleable children presented, Joe Sr. decided, unilaterally, without true discussion with his wife, to lobotomize daughter Rosemary. Ego, bravado, a desire to do a "proper" job for the influential Joe Sr., and an inexact science combined in the lobotomist and lead to Rosemary being permenantly harmed.
I don't believe Joe would have done the same to a son given the greater latitude males enjoyed in Society and the favor he gave to his sons over his daughters, IMO.
→ Rosemary Kennedy
July 14, 2009 - 17:39 ET by Cool ArrowHaving witnessed the lengths Joe Sr. would go to bring family members in line with his own way of thinking, Teddy was heard to have sworn:
And so it came to pass that Teddy Kennedy did follow his father's example all the days of his life.
Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up.
Ted Kennedy is the same today
July 14, 2009 - 13:38 ET by IamTinmanTed Kennedy is the same today as he was in his earlier years, an arrogant little prick!
He is no one to look up to despite all the revised history.
The death of Mary Jo Kopechne displayed the real Ted Kennedy. He left a girl to die while running away desperate to stay out of jail and save his political career.
Why, Tinman, I'm Surprised
July 14, 2009 - 16:34 ET by DoktorFrankenThat you should lie about a Senator like that. He is definitely NOT a ''an arrogant little prick''. He is, as anyone with eyes can see,
an arrogant Bloated, Fat-assed prick.
There. Fixed it for ya. Nothing ''little'' about him except perhaps . . .
;-)
I just Googled Mary Jo
July 14, 2009 - 13:38 ET by Kat Outta the BagI just Googled Mary Jo Kopechne's name and found that this coming Saturday -- July 18 -- will be the 40th anniversary of her death. Talk about timing!
Kat... Timing indeed,
July 14, 2009 - 13:52 ET by bigtimerKat...
Timing indeed, somebody here mentioned the anniversary of her death too a few days back now.
Makes one wonder at times.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
For those too young to
July 14, 2009 - 14:01 ET by danboFor those too young to remember. We have a man of power who leaves a party, giving a woman a ride.
Instead of following the signs on the only paved road on the island; instead of turning left he turns right onto a dirt road.
About a mile later he drives off a bridge. He claims he tried to rescue her.
There were several houses nearby. He failed to go to these for help or to call the police.
Instead he walk/runs about a mile and a half back to the party to discuss the situation with friends.
He still fails to call the police, and then supposedly with his friends tries a few times to rescue the woman again. He then has his friends take him back to the ferry landing. Jumps in and swims back to Shiretown.
About 2:00 or 2:30 AM he approached the Inn manager and complains about nosy guests. At 7:45 he was approached by his friends and according to one of them they were to say Mary Joe was driving.
My understanding. Only after fishemen see and report the overturned car, does he report the incident.
Neglegent homicide? According to one appologist, negligent homicide incolves speeds of 55-60 mph. The dirt road, ruled that out.
DUI? Can't prove it. He didn't show up till many hours later.
Subordination of purjuy? According to the appoloigist, Kennedy had lawyer client privlige with the involved.
Purjury? Again according to appologist, you have to "prove" knowingly giving false testomony, not just being wrong or ignorant.
But this is all unimportant. We have a Republican who asked his wifes permission to visit his other honey. We have to go over the republican again and again. And forget about poor Mary Joe. It was a accident. Ted's a great man.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Hey Candice
July 14, 2009 - 16:54 ET by jacktheripperwhere is your outrage at the "profane comments" in this thread ?!!!!!!
just wondering
"I LOVE DEAD KENNEDY'S"
→ Who's Candice?
July 14, 2009 - 17:26 ET by Cool ArrowJust wondering.
And outrage should be about
July 14, 2009 - 17:47 ET by danboAnd outrage should be about ignoring that a man runs away when a woman drowns. Doesn't call for help.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Someone
July 14, 2009 - 19:25 ET by jacktheripperwho scolded me about my "profane" comments in another thread but lets stuff in this thread slip by ! I do not need a mother hen pecking over me...thats what mods are for
"I LOVE DEAD KENNEDY'S"
jtr.... Hello....hello
July 14, 2009 - 19:31 ET by bigtimerjtr....
Hello....hello there...anyone home?
You've posted this in the wrong thread...obviously.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I wonder if the
July 14, 2009 - 17:18 ET by stratmanI wonder if the Teddy bio-(myo)pic will discuss how he was against abortion before he was for abortion, gratis Papa Joe's manipulations and some clergy and professors finding a myth in one and a half days that wiped out centuries of Christian theology.
Kennedy men do know how to whore around, whether it be women, votes or money.
They do seem to have awful luck with cars, though.
the Kennedy clan history
July 14, 2009 - 18:02 ET by bknownstPop Kennedy was a good friend to a couple of histoy's most famous mass murderers. Do the names Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin ring any bells? That pair of Kennedy pals killed between 30 and 40 million people I believe. Joe Kennedy was such a close friend of Stalin's that Teddy and his brothers called Stalin "uncle Joe" growing up.
Mary Jo's death
July 15, 2009 - 01:30 ET by wingnut55I always wondered just how much money the Kennedy clan gave her parents to keep it out of the courts. I, also, wondered if she was pregnant . What did the autopsy show.