WaPo Says the State Could Have Saved Jon And Kate

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The Sunday Outlook section of The Washington Post digged into the dregs of reality TV to plead the case for more national health care subsidies. Post Magazine reporter Liza Mundy authored a piece titled "Jon and Kate Plus Health Care: Would better insurance have saved this marriage?"

Mundy guessed that if the federal government subsidized in vitro fertilization (IVF), Kate might have had only one baby instead of sextuplets. "Possibly nothing could have saved this marriage, but one thing would have made it less fragile: a mandate for health insurance to cover in vitro fertilization."

It’s one thing for liberals to insist that it’s reasonable for taxpayers to shell out a few hundred dollars for broader immunizations and preventative health care measures. Now imagine being asked to pay for a $10,000 round of IVF. Mundy argued it would achieve the liberal goal of lowering inequality:

The price tag for health-care reform is already higher than anybody expected, so it's probably unreasonable to think that it could include better insurance coverage for the millions of Americans who suffer from infertility. But such coverage for women of childbearing age could lower the extraordinary health-care costs associated with the birth of triplets or more. And it would even the reproductive odds, giving middle-class and lower-income Americans access to treatment that is currently reserved for the well-off or the unusually well insured.

Mundy tried to entertain the notion that if Kate Gosselin had tried IVF, she wouldn’t have had sextuplets. (Other than Kate’s wealth-and-television-producing instincts, there’s still a sticky wicket for pro-lifers: you may not be pressed to "selectively reduce" babies in the womb, but you would create multiple embryos and then "selectively implant" one or two.) But it’s hard to sustain the notion that this television-strained marriage is really caused by inadequate federal intervention.

Mundy's role models, as usual, are European socialist countries, who only like to create a single baby:

This is known as Single Embryo Transfer, and it's becoming increasingly common in European countries where IVF is often covered by national health insurance. In this country, only a small number of states mandate insurance coverage of IVF, and at least one, Connecticut, sensibly limits the number of embryos that may be transferred.

Mundy concluded her sales pitch like this:

And insurance coverage is hardly the big-ticket item you might think: In Massachusetts, which mandates coverage, a 2002 study argued that the rise in the annual premium is really a matter of just a few dollars. Yet replicating Massachusetts around the country is a tall order because of the persistent public view that infertility is somehow not a legitimate disease, or that infertility patients are to blame for their plight.

Last week, advocates descended upon Washington to make their long shot case for increased insurance coverage for infertility treatments. In Congress, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) have introduced a bill that would broaden insurance coverage for IVF. Advocates should work to make the long-term benefits clear: fewer high-order multiples, healthier children, less exhausted parents.

TLC has done a lot of the legwork for them. More than 10 million people tuned in to watch the televised implosion of the Gosselin family last week. Maybe no marriage could have survived that many Us Weekly covers or that many cameras. But really, it seems to have been the burden of being "plus 8," when all they wanted was "plus 3." If sweeping health-care reform includes more substantial IVF coverage, TLC will have fewer candidates for its carnival sideshow offerings, but that's a loss most of us could live with.

Mundy's offering a cute way of trying to put a public-interest sheen on TLC exploiting the breakup of this TV-strained marriage down to the last frayed thread. But we need more health intervention like we need another reality show exploiting a divorce.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Who are Jon & Kate? Just

Who are Jon & Kate? Just asking.

They are the couple on the

They are the couple on the reality show Jon and Kate Plus 8.

I've never seen the show, but apparently they had 2 kids, wanted another, did IVF and ended up with sextuplets.  It's now apparently a fun pastime to watch them cope with 8 kids...  Stupid reality television.

Who says if the gov't. funded IVF they might have only had one instead of 6?  How does that compute?

Some insurances do cover IVF.  Most of those have a limit on how much will be spent.

If Jon and Kate had two, maybe they should have figured that's all they were meant to have, and counted their blessings.  

And then we have the Octo-Mom....

It's time people realize that no one has a "right" to have a baby. Or three, when they already have two.

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

Clarification on Jon & Kate

The sextuplets were not the result of IVF.  According to their official website, Kate had Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome,  about which she said, "Basically, I don’t ovulate and would need help getting pregnant."  If I understand the situation correctly, a fertility doctor essentially stimulated her ovaries to ovulate.  It worked a bit too well.

Given the strong environmentalist influence over Obama, I think a government health care bureaucrat would have told them, "You have two kids now.  You're not allowed to have more."

The pro-aborts yell that those opposing abortion want to use government to supercede the medical judgment of doctors.  This columnist seems to have no problem with the government dictating IVF over the method that was used.   

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Doubling down on stupid is

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Wait till we start hearing

Wait till we start hearing the libs try to convince us that Michael Jackson could have been saved -- if only we all had universal health insurance. Then -- stupid will have no limits whatsoever.

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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying

One more example why

One more example why newspapers are dying off at a fast pace.  Who believes this crap?

d1... Bingo! This is

d1...

Bingo!

This is gag me with a spoon and barf-bag time here.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

double

I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows.  -Bart Simpson

 

" And it would even the

" And it would even the reproductive odds, giving middle-class and lower-income Americans access to treatment that is currently reserved for the well-off or the unusually well insured."

What????  How about a little class warfare with that lie?  Last I checked, reproductive output was no problem for most lower-income Americans.  And IVF is NOT "reserved" for the well-off or well-insured.  If the WaPo is so concerned about reproductive freedom, maybe they should set up a charitable foundation to pay IVF costs for deserving lower and middle-income couples, instead of calling for the cost to be thrown on the backs of taxpayers.  Isn't it enough that the liberals expect the general public to pay the cost of unchecked natural reproduction?  Now they expect us to pay for the inception as well.   

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula." -Muhammad

They may have a foundation,

They may have a foundation, probably based in Mexico with the participating hospitals in the US.

What the...?

They want the taxpayers to pay for abortions so people won't have children and now they want us to pay for IVF so people can have children?  Good grief, stop playing with our heads!

Kat

With Democrats, the key thing is they want us to pay.

And pay, and pay, and pay . . . I don't think they care much what "it" is that we pay for, so long as we throw money at it.

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

Jon & Kate - Plus The State?

I don't care who could've saved Jon & Kate. I want to know who can save us from the endless media coverage of Jon & Kate.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Chris...

Hear, hear!!!

The content of "The

The content of "The Learning Channel", like a lot of the other cable channels, bears no relationship to what was implied by the original name. About all we learn from "The Learning Channel" is all about:  really big people, really small people, really maladjusted people, really big families, really badly dressed people, and really sick people. I'd feel like a voyeur if I watched all these shows. With no offense intended towards the people (some who my heart goes out to) on these shows, TLC has become like a sick circus side show.  

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

I Second that! Doubling

I Second that!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

A normal woman?

I don't usually support public confiscation of my money to perform medical operations on a woman in the name of equality. But I have to confess -- I am now ready to make my one and only exception.

I will fully support Lisa's lobotomy operation...

... if it is guaranteed to turn her into a normal human being.

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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying

Planned parenthood

Jon & Kate are yet more evidence that you can't plan your parenthood.

KC,Yep, but that doesn't

KC,

Yep, but that doesn't stop the liberals from trying to plan - and control - everyone's lives. They just can't seem to learn the lesson - or, more likely, they just can't resist the power.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Agreed

Is it because of a lust for power? Maybe. I supect that the hubris comes from their assumption that they're smarter than the rest of us. They think they have the wisdom to plan it successfully.

Chaos theory ... there are too many variables in the equation. Sometimes it's smarter to react than to plan.

Oy!

 
Facepalm moment!

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”

Samuel Adams

mizflame... Yep...a

mizflame...

Yep...a picture is worth a thousand words.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Love it!!

Love it!!

Question of the Day

Is there anything a liberal thinks government can't fix? This is a real, legitimate question. I can't think of anything. Please help!

Government run health care

Government run health care will be able to bring JFK and Captain Kangroo back from the grave.  It will end tooth decay and the heart break of psoriasis and banish static cling from our great land.  If the government runs health care I will finally get a date with that real pretty checker at the super market.  I think her name is Melody.  And if the Democrats run health care my wife won't mind.

Gee, don't these people

Gee, don't these people think MAYBE Kate's personality was the cause of the split?  I watched this show a few times before the split and was amazed at how she treated her husband.  My husband would have left years ago if I treated him like that!

Howdy Rad... I've never

Howdy Rad...

I've never watched a show, nor will I....but with the constant coverage of this... even on Fox I have seen segments/clips of interviews of the two....and she seems domineering, seems to belittle him....then again, look at what groups like NOW and their brethren have taught women for decades now on how to treat a man...it's been despicable.

Hope you know where I'm coming from, don't know your age, anyway, I'm kind of in a rush at moment cooking dinner for my man.

Catch ya later.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

She's extremely

She's extremely domineering.  It's her way or the highway.  I wouldn't want a husband who allowed me to treat him like that, and at the same time, I wouldn't allow someone to treat me like that. 

I'm from the end of the baby boomers, so right in there with the NOW.  My opinion, they've done more harm to women than good.  They've encouraged men to treat women with disrespect and women to feel men aren't necessary.  My man is necessary, not just to help me, but to keep me sane when living with teenagers.

Rad... Amen...I share

Rad...

Amen...I share your sentiments.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

yep

I wouldn't want a husband who allowed me to treat him like that

Exactly -- it's a lose-lose situation.  Emasculation is a recipe for disaster in a marriage -- both parties come to resent one another.

 

"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann

true

Believe it or not, my wife found this show and used to watch it (and I would watch it with her), well before any of the recent hoopla.  We both appreciated that they were pro-life (i.e., they didn't abort) and that they were struggling with that consequence (I can only imagine how having six all at once may stress a marriage). 

Early on, I noticed that she was dominant, but I attributed that more to her extrovertedness versus his introvertedness.  But as time wore on, I noticed that she did begin to treat him like he was another child, right on the TV no less.  And that's a recipe for disaster in a marriage.

There can be no question that making their family life a reality TV show was a factor in their current situation.

But the real moral of the story is, as usual, the exact opposite of what the mass-media programming would have us believe.  Bottom line is, we have very, very little control over "reproduction" (other than preventing it, and even then, contraception fails, which is why we are plagued with abortion).  We "do our part," but after that it's up to forces outside of ourselves.  Among other things, Kate should've either (a) accepted the two that they had already been fortunate enough to be blessed with and accepted God's will that there would be no more (this was Jon's position originally), or (b) held out longer for nature to take its course -- happens all the time to couples where they are infertile for years before conceiving a "miracle baby."

 

"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann

Reality

Let me begin by saying I despise "reality" shows....except for the cooking ones, of course.

Having said that, though....shall we take a peek at the NHS in Britain on this topic?

I could (and probably should) make a THE point about discretionary and elective type medical procedures....however, I understand we are all (mostly) of the same opinion on that matter.

I do, however, find it extremely odd that the liberals are extremely pleased to abort babies, but if it strikes their fancy....they feel we should all pitch in to "create" them (and please, I respect couples who would go to the end of the world to make their dreams of a family happen).

It's an odd world, indeed.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

until a week ago

I had no idea who these people were. Thank goodness for a grocery line educator. Oh, and apparently I live in a cave.

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Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past - George Orwell - 1984

Forget the insurance

Forget the insurance angle.

How is this not a backhanded attempt at insinuating the kids are the reason this marriage failed, and that Jon & Kate shouldn't have 8 of them?

Would the author of this craptacular piece of "reporting" like to go to the family and say that 4, 5, or 6 of the children didn't deserve to live?

This is the giveaway graph:

In this country, only a small number of states mandate insurance
coverage of IVF, and at least one, Connecticut, sensibly limits the
number of embryos that may be transferred.

How much longer before it reads "one...sensibily limits the number of children people can have" when it comes to state-run health care?

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

mc83.... EXCELLENT

mc83....

EXCELLENT observation, excellent point....I never thought that far...but once you posted this you are spot-on as far as I am concerned, that IS exactly where the leftist ba$tard# want to take this country....as if what they have done and are attempting to do now isn't bad enough!

Thank you, more than you know.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Thanks

Thanks, bigtimer.

Now here's a question for you - did Jon & Kate ever go to church?  I never watched their show, so I'm genuinely curious.  Was faith a big part of their life?

Why do I ask?

Because, personally and through the blogs, I know several deeply faithful families who have 5, 6, 7, 8 kids (or more) who have a strong religious component to their marriages and those marriages always seem to work out.  And you need look no further than the Duggar family of Arkansas, who currently have 18 biological children, to see that a strong faith component in a marriage and family does - in my opinion - make all the difference in the world.

And I also have seen great vitriol directed toward those large families, especially the religious ones.  When I was getting married, I left a wedding message board because the women there were complaining that Mrs. Duggar had her 14th or 15th child and needed to be spayed because her kids were all welfare recipients.  When I pointed out that the Duggars had no debt, paid cash for everything, and were totally self-sufficient (how many couples with NO kids can say that?), I was labeled as "close minded" and also in need of sterilization.  Women with lots of kids get snide comments about keeping their legs closed, using birth control, or are asked, "You do know how babies are made, right?" like they're stupid children.  Some families have even reported having CPS called on them by neighbors who think 5 kids are "too many" for someone to care for properly.

Which tells me that the hatred is, first and foremost, directed toward children and, a close second, directed toward people who think children are a gift from God and obey his command to be "fruitful and multiply" (heck, even families with 3 or 4 kids are now "breeders" who need to be fixed). Our culture hates the traditional family.

Jon and Kate prove that they will do anything to turn such a family into a sideshow with the added bonus of destroying said family.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

My mother had 11 other

My mother had 11 other siblings in her family...and they lived off of a farmer's salary.  My grandparents stayed together until my grandfather passed away.  My grandparents are very religious and prayed everyday which was probably a big reason why the stayed together.

Big families can work if God is a big part of the equation. 

www.theholyrosary.org

"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

I had no idea who these

I had no idea who these people were till last week (after an NB story, I looked them up, lol).

I have the feeling that having a TV camera underfoot 24/7 was probably far more stressful on the marriage than lack of nationalized healthcare. That's not even considering the TYPE of people they must be to allow this invasion of privacy for money. Greedy, selfish people don't generally fare well in marriages, whether they have no kids or 8 kids, with or without a TV camera camped in ther bedroom.

"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt

 The state can save

 The state can save everything except, money, jobs, national security and freedom.

Amen!!!

Well said! Right on the money.

 

President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood
style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to
be a total fraud.
 

WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION! 

Amen!!!

Well said! Right on the money.

 

President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood
style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to
be a total fraud.
 

WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION! 

Common sense and reason say

Common sense and reason say that those who have a burning desire to have kids but have trouble concieving should a) adopt or b) pay for their own IVF.  Either way its an automatic means test for being able to care for the kids you do have.

Of course in the case of OCTO mom it seems to have broken.  Sometimes the mentally ill will find ways to corrupt the system sorta like Lex Luther uses his genius in a mentally deranged way to get the best of Supes.