Via Greg Pollowitz at NRO Media Blog, we learn from the local Washington NBC affiliate that a group of kindergartners from Stafford County, Virginia were turned away at the gate on Thursday morning for being too late for their White House tour.
Parents say they were just 10 minutes late for the scheduled tour. School officials say White House staff said they needed to get ready for the president's event with the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers, so they couldn't come in.
The person who headed this White House trip up came out and said, 'I’m sorry, the White House tour's off.' There were a lot of crying kids," parent Barbara Stine said....
Paty Stine said the White House staff should have made an exception. She feels the kindergarteners were snubbed for the Steelers.
"Here we have President Obama and his administration saying, 'Here we are for the common, middle class people,' and here he is not letting 150 5- and 6-year-olds into the White House because he’s throwing a lunch for a bunch of grown millionaires," Stine said.
Organizers of the visit from Conway Elementary said they left the school at 8:30, but ran into heavy traffic and were ten minutes late for a 10:15 appointment. White House officials told the local NBC affiliate a different story, that the students were expected at 9:30.
Anyone who lives in northern Virginia knows it would be foolish to only budget an hour to travel Interstate 95 in the morning rush hour from the northern outskirts of Fredericksburg and hope to arrive in downtown Washington. The White House story sounds fishy, although the school probably should have allowed even more time for the commute.
As the White House plans to reschedule after the small amount of embarrassing publicity, school officials are sounding very unperturbed by the snub. A quick Nexis search finds no national network coverage, not even NBC, and nothing in the Washington Post or Washington Times.
But when the smallest Bush boo-boo (like trying to open a locked door in Beijing) can be a major story, skipping this kind of story would demonstrate that network morning shows who love stuffing their broadcasts with light stories of interest to young moms are taking a pass to protect all the gooey Obama family public relations they’ve offered in the first 100 days and more.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.
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I heard that on Rush in the
May 22, 2009 - 19:20 ET by motherbeltI heard that on Rush in the car today and was going to send it in as a story tip, but by the time I got home I forgot. LOL
I'm sure that like all things unflattering to The One, this will be buried.
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mb... I heard about this on
May 23, 2009 - 15:01 ET by bigtimermb...
I heard about this on Rush too...and like he said, heck, they are just little five year olds, they will be told after they are done crying it was somehow George Bush's fault...and that's what they will remember.
I was laughing, but seriously, I wouldn't doubt it.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
"Move it along press corp,
May 22, 2009 - 19:41 ET by DaBird"Move it along press corp, no story here".
There is no story. They were
May 22, 2009 - 21:38 ET by balboaThere is no story. They were late. Obama has nothing to do with tours. It's unfortunate, but this means nothing in the big picture.
balboa
May 22, 2009 - 22:20 ET by well99They were 10 minutes late.Big whoop they are little kids.That would be a treat for them but no way.Ten minutes late so they miss out.Give me a break.
They say they were 10
May 22, 2009 - 23:09 ET by balboaThey say they were 10 minutes late. White House says more.
I have no way of knowing how these things work. You would think they could fit them in. Apparently not.
balbao
May 22, 2009 - 23:12 ET by well99You would think so.Shoot that could of grab a aide or someone to take them around.Even if it was a short tour.
well that'll learn em
May 22, 2009 - 19:49 ET by katainkentthose kindergarteners should obviously learn to plan ahead for beltway traffic.
Unfortunately security schedules are security shedules. I have relatives that do security for a high profile person. Once an event is rolling into motion its almost impossible to get the wheels to stop. If there was indeed special dispensation to hold the gate until 10:35 then someone didn't get the memo. But hey, this administration isn't exactly known for its ... proficiency. I'll be curious to see if the One tries to rectify the situation. It could potentially be turned into great PR since he wasn't originally supposed to be meeting with the kids. ... its not as if he minds throwing staffers under the bus when necessary.
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hmmm
May 22, 2009 - 20:57 ET by Kekela WardConversely, it's okay for him to prance in 15 or 20 minutes late for a speech or news conference. We know he was there on time; like the Air Force One aircrew, timing is everything to the Secret Srevice. Unlike past administrations, who realized that everything you do as POTUS is a reflection of the nation, this one is clueless. When you tell someone you'll be somewhere at a certain time, and you're not, they get thinking about how you'll keep your word when things really matter.
And face it, the chosen one is not taking a bus around town.
KW - My thoughts exactly - glad I read the posts first!
May 24, 2009 - 17:55 ET by Cape ConservativePerhaps the press corps should just saunter out of the press room whenever Mr. Press Secretary or Mr. President decides that schedules do NOT matter!
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A Presidential Primer ...
May 22, 2009 - 19:59 ET by metaphorsbwithuFirst dibs on the title, All I Really Need to Know About Obama I Learned in Kindergarten.
I'm working on the first chapter now:
1. Never ... ever keep the President of the United States waiting, especially before a scheduled photo-op with the Superbowl Champions.
2. If you cry and sob enough, you might get another invitation. You might even score some imported cheese to go with that whine.
3. Play the "victim card" for all it's worth.
... and so on.
Can you spell "bad press" kiddies? ;-)
metaphorsbwithu
it worked for Dorothy...
May 22, 2009 - 20:03 ET by MidAmerica-- Tin Man, Dorothy and Scarecrow standing in front of Lion -- all
react as the Guard comes forward -- roars at them -- then enters
the palace -- as Dorothy begins to cry -- the others
try to comfort her --
GUARD
Go on home! The Wizard says go away!
ALL
Go away?
DOROTHY
Oh --
SCARECROW
Looks like we came a long way for nothing.
DOROTHY
Oh -- and I was so happy! I thought I was
on my way home!
TIN MAN
Don't cry, Dorothy!
In search of a brain, a heart, and some courage.
May 22, 2009 - 20:12 ET by metaphorsbwithuMaybe they should return with Nancy Pelosi's broomstick?
metaphorsbwithu
MidAm
May 23, 2009 - 00:09 ET by NorthCoasterExcellent analogy!
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
I'm not very smart, as some
May 22, 2009 - 20:20 ET by BKeyserI'm not very smart, as some of you already know, so I'm curious... which group consisted of voters?
Kindergartners don't vote
May 22, 2009 - 20:33 ET by R D HelmAnd if the MSM doesn't report "it," then "it" didn't happen.
-Dave
Thanks, Mr. Obama, for
May 22, 2009 - 20:34 ET by stratmanThanks, Mr. Obama, for creating 150 new Conservative recruits.
Where's Aunt Cassie when you need her?
May 22, 2009 - 20:46 ET by KC MulvilleSad as the story may seem, I can't blame the White House. This is one of those unfortunate things that happen all the time.
But, I have an Aunt named Cassie. When we were younger, and the families would all have a family event, sometimes things didn't work out. Aunt Cassie was the one who never sat around complaining - she just picked right up, and figured out something else to do. Didn't complain, just worked something out to keep everyone happy.
The White House needs an Aunt Cassie. Somebody had to look at 150 sobbing children, and should have realized that you can't have them out there at the gate, sobbing for all news photographers to see. That's when you need someone to instantly organize a White House picnic, or send a few aides over to buy some footballs, or have a relay race. Then let the photographers take shots of happy kids having fun!
Hell, send Biden out there. What else has he got to do? Play "pin the tail on the vice president."
Hell, send Biden out there.
May 22, 2009 - 21:00 ET by bigtimerHell, send Biden out there. What else has he got to do? Play "pin the tail on the vice president."
KC...if you only knew how much you have me laughing.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
I have to admit
May 22, 2009 - 21:53 ET by KC MulvilleThe picture of Biden being chased by a bunch of kids with a tail, that cracked me up as well ...
The voice of reason.
May 22, 2009 - 22:17 ET by balboaThe voice of reason.
MILOTUS
May 23, 2009 - 11:45 ET by boomerconAunt Cassie?
I thought that's what the MILOTUS (mother in law of the united states) was there for; to TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN!!!
it's about
May 22, 2009 - 21:23 ET by Wesenvalues, you know, the values we all share.
Voters?
May 22, 2009 - 21:35 ET by ToddonCapeCodBKeyser said: "I'm not very smart, as some of you already know, so I'm curious... which group consisted of voters?"
I'd say the parents of about 150 students, but what do I know?
20 inches.
May 22, 2009 - 21:50 ET by sevenIf they were 20 inches shorter, they would be not covered by the Born alive Infant protection Act. Obama doesn't like children.
he says abort them or register them to vote. Vote early and vote often.
With every decision
May 22, 2009 - 21:57 ET by RESTLESS 1...with every word, this guy provides buyer's remorse.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Once again, it's not the
May 22, 2009 - 21:54 ET by Chris NormanOnce again, it's not the specifics of the event or who lies at fault - it only matters that:
if this had been the Bush White House, the mainstream media would have reported it with glee. You know it. I know it. Only Balboa doesn't know it.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Tim,
May 22, 2009 - 21:55 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't want to sound whiny here, but I can I get some credit for posting this earlier??? ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Washington papers
May 22, 2009 - 22:06 ET by TheCynicWashington Post is not a "D.C." paper. It's mostly just another "regurgitate the international news from international feeds" paper.
D.C. would have to explode before they'd print something about what's going on in D.C.
How many tours go through
May 23, 2009 - 00:25 ET by Dan The Man 2How many tours go through the WH in a week? The article is pretty much a liberal whine exercise. But the WH could have accomodated the kids and postponed the Steelers just a bit or treated them to a dual visit with Duh One and the Steelers.
Its amazing the story of two Presidents as I remember the Bush's at a daycare facility spending time beyond the fotoshoot. This is one that should be shouted out to rooftops. It is just one more reason in the multitude that says this boy is not primetime.
Hey wouldn't it have
May 23, 2009 - 06:45 ET by BlazerHey wouldn't it have been awesome if the kindergardeners not only got to meet The President of The United States but also The Superbowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers at the same time ? That's what I would have done if I were president.
How pathetic.
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- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
10 minutes late?
May 23, 2009 - 07:47 ET by SickofLibsWell, screw them. Don't they know Obama's White House is a well-oiled, precision operation?
If it was an inner-city group of DC schoolkids, I wonder if the outcome would have been the same.
Obama lied,
May 23, 2009 - 08:37 ET by BlazerObama lied, kindergarteners cried !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"O" meeting with overpaid thugs....
May 23, 2009 - 08:50 ET by Uncle DonI don't like "O" at all and wish he'd go away...but, here's my question:
Why were they late? This is the White House, not some Pizza Joint. They say to be there at a certain time...You're there. Tough luck, maybe the parents/teachers will make sure the little brats are on time next time....a lesson well learned.
Why were they late? This is
May 23, 2009 - 09:01 ET by BlazerWhy were they late? This is the White House, not some Pizza Joint.
Obviously you've never driven in beltway traffic. You never, ever get anywhere on time in the D.C. metro area.
These were a bunch of kindergartners getting driven on a school bus through bumper to bumper traffic from NOVA . Not a bunch of politicians, reporters or dignitaries getting shucked in by limo after arriving at Reagan National.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Beltway traffic
May 23, 2009 - 14:11 ET by KC MulvilleI live in Baltimore and work in DC; when I drive to work, I have to negotiate two beltways. Beltway planning means doubling every estimate. If it rains, you add time. If it snows, you add hours.
And although I've never driven the freeways in California, many friends have assured me that it's ten times worse out there.
You'd assume that a younger generation raised by playing Sims would come up with better urban planning. Maybe there's hope for the future. Maybe. Instead, I think those games reinforce the attitudes of the existing planners. We're teaching future generations to make the same mistakes.
What do you do with a city when it has outgrown its infrastructure?
traffic
May 23, 2009 - 14:15 ET by katainkentI've lived/driven both in LA/SD and the beltway from VA to DC. DC is far worse. In fact I thought California drivers were the scariest in the nation until we drove in Boston.
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Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past - George Orwell - 1984
You know, the "personal
May 23, 2009 - 14:46 ET by Chris NormanYou know, as much as I am against those who reject taking any reponsibilty for their actions, sometimes the "personal responsibility" thing can be taken way too far. Applying it to five year olds? Please.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Bravo, what a wonderfully
May 23, 2009 - 09:22 ET by JasonCBravo, what a wonderfully pathos-laden title. Are you sure Obama didn't kick some puppies and laugh at a handicapped person on his way to the Steelers event?
Maybe next time the grown-ups who were in charge and are whining about this now will budget their time and not show up late when they're expected for private tour somewhere important. Teach the kids something about punctuality.
Teach the kids something
May 23, 2009 - 09:32 ET by BlazerTeach the kids something about punctuality.
Actually ten minutes late in the D.C. area is on time.
Funny how a liberal want's to preach and teach the virtues of punctuality, without having a clue about the virtues of personal accountability and good taste.
If it were me as president, I believe it would have been The Steeler's who may have had to reschedule. Thier big boy's, they would have gotten over it. A bunch of four and five year old's just may be a little more sensitive to rejection.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well the sad thingis
May 23, 2009 - 09:42 ET by general companyWe are talking 10 min, just back up the schedual or take 5 from the kids and 5 from the Steelers.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
According to the parents.
May 23, 2009 - 09:45 ET by JasonCAccording to the parents. According to the WH, we're talking over an hour. I'm not inclined to take either's word at face value. The WH has a vested interest in claiming the latter and the parents seem determined to turn this story into a reflection on Obama's character. Both sides seem suspect to me.
Obviously I was being a bit
May 23, 2009 - 09:43 ET by JasonCObviously I was being a bit facetious, but it's pretty lame of the grownups here to bitch and moan when they were late. As for traffic in DC...no, 10 minutes late is 10 minutes late. You plan better and leave earlier if you have to, and if that doesn't work out, you don't publicly blame someone else. Unless, apparently, you're one of these parents.
Do you really think that Obama personally had a hand in this? Come on.
And as someone else here pointed out, security procedures are intricate and have a momentum of their own. I'm quite sure, given the PR opportunity, that if something could have been chaged at the drop of a dime, it would have been.
Re Responsibility
May 23, 2009 - 10:01 ET by slickwillie2001I would not suggest that it was the Bamster that said "burn the brats, I gots to meet the Steelers", but note that there is a presumption of innocence in the case of a democratic President that a Republican would never get. Just as with the AF1 flyover, the old media immediately suggests that the Bamster had nothing to do with this. That's an assumption or a courtesy that a Republican would never get.
PS: And anyway, who is a better source of future political contributions, a bunch of middle-class five-year olds, or a bunch of mostly-black millionaires?
Jason, like I said above
May 23, 2009 - 10:10 ET by BlazerJason, like I said above to another poster, obviously you've never driven Beltway traffic. You can leave two hours early and still be two hours late and only be twenty or thirty miles away from your destination. The Beltway is a world of it's own.
And yes this is a reflection of Obama's character. The people Obama put's in charge of his daily routines are hired by him. You guy's spent the last eight year's deconstructing Bush's character, at every opportunity whether he deserved it or not so rest assured we will do the same for Obama.
Fortunatly we'll only have to do it for four and no more.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oh for Pete's sake!!!
May 23, 2009 - 18:01 ET by mizflame98Obama doesn't even show up to things on time. I don't know why the White House will get all uppity about a group of kids being 10 minutes late.
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
Samuel Adams
MzF - has 'the one' EVER appeared on time ANYWHERE?
May 24, 2009 - 18:14 ET by Cape ConservativeYou could set your watch on President Bush's appearances - yet there is NO mention of the untimely arrivals of either President Obama or his Press Secretary who never fails to keep the Washington Press Corps waiting! I would love to see the entire room empty after waiting 10 minutes! Let them talk to empty seats once and maybe they'd get a little more lively in their step ;-)
Just last week, the president deliberately waited to give his speech hoping to upset the Cheney speech coverage. Dick Cheney had been scheduled to speak long before Obama decided to butt in...after all it is always about HIM!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
Some heart you have their Jason
May 23, 2009 - 10:03 ET by general companyTeach the kids something about punctuality.
As if it was the kids who had any control over this. There is certainly a leason to be learned here, and the kids recieved there end of it in spades.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc, like I said, a
May 23, 2009 - 10:11 ET by Blazergc, like I said, a liberal wanting to teach children about personal accountability and responsibility.
Now that's funny.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well...
May 23, 2009 - 17:58 ET by mizflame98He did make that crack about the Special Olympics a while back so he got the laughing at the handicapped part covered.
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
Samuel Adams
Excuses Excuses
May 23, 2009 - 09:31 ET by slickwillie2001They should have simply kicked the bus kids over to the standard White House tour process. Am I supposed to believe there wasn't one spare warm body in the Bamster administration that couldn't have taken care of this? Even if they had to take a pass on meeting the messiah himself, I'm sure they could have lived with that. In a situation like that you grab Hillary, or M'chell, any celebrity you can. This is just inexperience and sloppy work. I wonder if the dude that got fired for the AF1 flyover is now in charge of White House tours.
PS: They should have said -"we assumed the White House now runs on Brother-Time."
PPS: Re the well-oiled machine, I guess that's why the Bamster was 45 minutes late for Thursday's teleprompting. He's not at all like President George W. Bush when it comes to schedules.
sw - I just posted the same GWB/BHO comparison - yet do
May 24, 2009 - 18:18 ET by Cape Conservativewe hear ONE word about it in the msm??????????????????????
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well while Bozo keeps
May 23, 2009 - 11:26 ET by kangaroowell while Bozo keeps everyone waiting where ever he goes, 10 mins late for these kids meant that they were way early, what was michelle doing, shopping online for 500 buck shoes, or trying to figure out how to plant a tomatoe
Just another PR gaffe from
May 23, 2009 - 11:34 ET by gmaniac1Just another PR gaffe from the baby killer, I mean, baby kisser.
And when do idiot liberals ever care about someone being on time?
They are routinely late and inconsiderate to anyone's time but their own. What an elitist snob Baby Boy is? The morons blindly defending him are the same people that would have completely gone postal over Bush doing the same. Give me a break hypocrits!
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
NB picks..
May 23, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Jen7the most moronic things to attack Obama with. His spelling and now he turned away kindergartners. Oh the horror!
As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy
Ahhh, but if Bush had
May 23, 2009 - 12:19 ET by BlazerAhhh, but if Bush had done this, you and your ilk would have been screaming Chimpy Bush-Hitler-McHaliburton hates little kid's from the highest mountain top's to the lowest valley's.
Pot, kettle, black.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer...LAME!
May 24, 2009 - 11:47 ET by Jen7This is the same lame a** argument that is typed here. "Well, if Bush had done it, he'd be all over the news.' Liberal blogs do it too and it's annoying as h*ll.
But, when someone rightly brings up how Bush drove this country into the ground for 8 years, it's: 'Well Bush isn't President'. LAME!
You can't use Bush for one argument and dismiss him the next. It's all fair game. Otherwise, you're being a hypocrite.
And NO, I wouldn't be trashing Bush if he had turned away kids who were late. That's just STUPID. And I wouldn't trash him for a spelling error that you can't really tell is a spelling error to begin with! STUPID. And for the stupid liberals who compared Bush to Hilter are disgusting pigs. Bush doesn't even come close to that evil murderer.
Although Bush was a horrible President, I feel more and more sympathy towards him everytime I hear Cheeny and Karl Rove's lying voices on the tv. I don't even think Bush was really in charge during his two terms. He's gained some respect in my book, for keeping quiet during this time.
But no....it's always..."Ahhh, but if Bush had done this,.......blah blah blah..."
As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
Family Guy
Exactly. Which is why the
May 24, 2009 - 12:18 ET by JasonCExactly. Which is why the "tea parties" last month were so rightfully sneered at. The ideologically-driven right-wing fringe, who didn't think to protest as Bush widened the deficit, come out in droves to express their malformed opinions on the new president, who actually gave a massive tax cut.
And that is not an attack on Bush, just to clarify. It's simply mocking the tea-partiers.
The thing is most of us
May 24, 2009 - 12:51 ET by BlazerThe thing is most of us conservatives knocked Bush on plenty of stuff, like spending and immigration. Ya' see we hold our own accountable, unlike you libs who whistle past the graveyard when its your guy doing it.
Obama has racked up more debt in 4 months then Bush did in 8 yrs. and every president combined before him. Yet not a peep or outcry from the left.
When are you guys gonna wake up and realize you can't blame Bush for every single one of your problems the rest of your natural lives. he's not your father. If you wan't know who's responsible for destroying the economy than you need look no further than Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Acorn and the rest of the liberal shakedown artists that got us here.
Then again accountability and objectivity is a rare trait in a liberal.
As far as mocking the tea partiers, who basically are representative of the majority of America, the mainstream, where was this same disdain for counterculture trash like Code Pink who crap on our military, the communist Berkley Che' t-shirt crowd and the filth that call for the annihilation of Israel calling and another holocaust ?
Oh thats right I forgot, I'm talking to two hypocrites here, silly me. You guys only love America when its your guy in charge.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
unlike you libs who whistle
May 24, 2009 - 13:04 ET by JasonCunlike you libs who whistle past the graveyard when its your guy doing it.
When are you guys gonna wake up and realize you can't blame Bush for
every single one of your problems the rest of your natural lives.
Oh, please. I fully recognize that there are those who think Obama can do no wrong. But don't give me this garbage about how conservative are always so innately fair (and balanced!) and self-scrutinizing. It wasn't true during Bush's term and it's even less true now that the GOP is imploding under the weight of a dedication to ideological purity. And neither I nor the other poster is blaming Bush here. We're pointing out, quite accurately I think, just how predictable partisan-politics is. If tea party attendees are really the 'mainstream,' it's pretty ironic that they're behaving exactly like the petulant, childish liberals who protested Bush's every move from '00-'08.
And no, by the way, they are by definition not the mainstream since the vast majority of them clearly did not vote for Obama. Whom, I might add, won the popular as well as electoral vote.
Bull Jason. We called
May 24, 2009 - 13:16 ET by BlazerBull Jason. We called Bush out on plenty of stuff, we thought he was weak on conservatism, hence the RINO tag, but excellent on foriegn policy and national security.
We called him out on Tarp, the first round of bailout's, shamnesty, the list goes on, are you blind ?
If you'd actually been reading anything posted on this site instead of just coming in to douche' up the comment's section, when the need arises, you would know that.
Yes they are the mainstream, despite what your cherrypicking media gods over at MSNBC want you to believe. There were plenty of folk's of all colors and ethnicities, and plenty of pissed off liberals also. I was there, were you ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oh yes, when I joined this
May 24, 2009 - 13:28 ET by JasonCOh yes, when I joined this site in 2006 I couldn't help but notice how open to criticism of Bush conservatives are. And frankly, the not-conservative-enough accusation is the only one I ever recall seeing; a somewhat confusing 'criticism,' to be sure. I'm sure if I said the one problem with Obama is that he's just not liberal enough, you'd accept that as legit critique, right? As far as I can see, whenever a conservative offers even halfway substantive criticism of a Republican, they're castigated for not falling in line with Limbaugh's ever-so-patriotic I-Hope-Obama-Fails program (yeah, I said it).
Let's see, Kathleen Parker criticized Palin - RINO! - Megan McCain isn't right-wing enough - Who said she was allowed to open her mouth?
As for Bush, the only critique I can recall from conservatives was that he didn't build a state-of-the-art fence to keep the illegals out. Just as well though, if he had, whatever would become of Gilchrist and his self-appointed band of, ahem, "minutemen"?
spending and
May 24, 2009 - 13:31 ET by botgspending and borders
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Well lets just be clear
May 24, 2009 - 13:33 ET by BlazerWell lets just be clear here Jason. We're the hypocrites because we're calling out Obama and the same crap Bush did that you guy's also cried about, but you guy's are totally fine with it now cause it's your guy doin' it.
Glad we cleared that up.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Orrrr, you could look at
May 24, 2009 - 13:37 ET by JasonCOrrrr, you could look at what I actually said, which is that lots of people from both sides are hypocritical.
Well since your being
May 24, 2009 - 13:42 ET by BlazerWell since your being logical here, I'll agree with you to an extent. However the list of stuff that Obama is doing or carrying on, that Bush also did, without so much as a peep from the left or the media is growing exponentially, day by day.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oh, well the media is a
May 24, 2009 - 14:06 ET by JasonCOh, well the media is a different story. And yes, the media has been significantly less critical of Obama than they were of Bush. That said, I do not think that a) They are giving him carte blanche or that they are his cheerleaders, or b) That Bush's criticism by the media was always excessively harsh or undeserved.
blazer
May 24, 2009 - 14:08 ET by MrShyYou got JasonC, albeit very grudgingly, to admit a double-standard here between the two Presidents.
Not easy with some of the more stubborn types. Job well done! :)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Grudgingly? It was the
May 24, 2009 - 14:28 ET by JasonCGrudgingly? It was the main theme of my posts from the beginning of this thread.
I know you like to come late to a discussion to put in your one cent, but at least read up first. Blazer didn't "get me" to "admit" anything. I've been saying for weeks how predictable and inevitable the childish right-wing criticism of Obama has been, how closely it mirrors so-called BDS during the past 8 years. I do so love, however, when a poster here says "yeah, well get used to it, cause we're gonna rag on Obama for the next four years, it's payback time, lol!!1!!!"
How is it payback? Democrats are running the entire show while the GOP is imploding. Yeah, enjoy your "revenge".
Democrats are running the
May 24, 2009 - 14:40 ET by BlazerDemocrats are running the entire show while the GOP is imploding. Yeah, enjoy your "revenge".
Clap,clap,clap, clap. Congratulations. The lunatics are now running the asylum.
Hey, you kid's make sure you bring daddy's car back in one piece now and be sure your home,..... oh in about 4 years sharp.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
You just called Democrats
May 24, 2009 - 14:42 ET by JasonCYou just called Democrats idiots!! My goodness, you have such a case of ODS...
THEY ARE IDIOTS! THEY
May 25, 2009 - 08:12 ET by bretzysdudeTHEY ARE IDIOTS! THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE! AND YOU'RE PART OF IT!
Hey Blazer
May 24, 2009 - 14:46 ET by MrShyOnce again, I commend you! (and sorry, seems I have to congratulate you over some noise here...)
"And yes, the media has been significantly less critical of Obama than they were of Bush."
Regarding the media -- not "right-wing criticisms" (arg, those irritating liberal tactics of going off on tangents from a simple point) -- and their treatment of Obama vs. Bush, it's very impressive that you got one of our long-time liberal members to admit we have a real problem in this regard.
So, again.... job well done!!
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I "admitted" it weeks ago,
May 24, 2009 - 14:56 ET by JasonCI "admitted" it weeks ago, actually. I believe it was in that nauseatingly fabricated story in which a certain NB writer accused a private citizen of railing against Piper Palin's lemonade stand. Which, by the way NEVER HAPPENED.
"Over some noise"? That's rich, my friend. Blazer and I were the ones having a conversation. You're the one butting in to play cheerleader, with nothing to add yourself...per usual. I am seriously shocked that you didn't employ some form of scoreboard in that last post...
Did they run Piper's
May 24, 2009 - 18:47 ET by balboaDid they run Piper's business out of town yet? Those mean ol' Dems?
I'm not gonna rub his
May 24, 2009 - 14:56 ET by BlazerI'm not gonna rub his nose in it Shy.There comes a time when everyone has an epiphany or see's the light and they should be congratulated on it.
However, in Jason's case, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
By the way Shy, what's the chance on you doing a remake and a video of this song.: )
If there's a one thing daddy likes it's............
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
blazer
May 24, 2009 - 15:11 ET by MrShySo you want me to do a house/dance version of T&B ?? :p I'll bring it up at my next record label meeting :)
JasonC is employing another irritating tactic now. First he claimed he admitted/stated this at the beginning of this thread. I foolishly went and checked, and lo-behold, he was making that up. Then, he revised his statement, claiming he admitted this weeks ago on some other thread. Should I go do a thorough search of NB to see where he made this official admission before? No, I think this is a case of "fool me once, shame on you..."
But you're right, I shouldn't be rubbing it in and I am. No more from me. But it's THE admission of all admissions, and totally validates why this site and us members are here. Sort of defeats the purpose of him hanging out here any longer. Not saying I want to see him gone, at all. JasonC is a great contributer.
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Yea, a house/dance
May 24, 2009 - 15:15 ET by BlazerYea, a house/dance version of T&B would be most awesome. Not a big fan of that genre, but I'll bet I could dance to a version of that song. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Wow, sorry. Second post
May 24, 2009 - 15:19 ET by JasonCWow, sorry. Second post of this thread, not first. My bad. Still well before you hopped in, Shy. And I told you what story I made that comment on.
As to your last sentence, I'm still analyzing the sarcasm factor. Will comment later.
second post??? Jase???
May 24, 2009 - 15:29 ET by botgthat's a comment by BT or DaBird (depends on your method)
perhaps you can link it
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Maybe I'm confusing message
May 24, 2009 - 15:36 ET by JasonCMaybe I'm confusing message board terminology. By 'thread' I mean the discussion initiated by "gmaniac" and "Jen", i.e. the sub-topic within the larger message board, the discussion we've been having today. I thought that's what a 'thread' was.
"I fully recognize that there are those who think Obama can do no
wrong. But don't give me this garbage about how conservative are
always so innately fair (and balanced!) and self-scrutinizing. It
wasn't true during Bush's term and it's even less true now that the GOP
is imploding under the weight of a dedication to ideological purity.
And neither I nor the other poster is blaming Bush here. We're
pointing out, quite accurately I think, just how predictable
partisan-politics is. If tea party attendees are really the
'mainstream,' it's pretty ironic that they're behaving exactly like the
petulant, childish liberals who protested Bush's every move from
'00-'08."
This is what I was referring to. When Blazer brought up the media, I thought of it as a slightly separate issue and immediately agreed. As I have in the past.
Have to go now, good day.
oh you meant YOUR second comment
May 24, 2009 - 15:43 ET by botgsorry we are not all in a Jase-o-centric world.
;^ )
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Jason - my husband and I are plain old middle class
May 24, 2009 - 18:38 ET by Cape ConservativePATRIOTIC Americans who attended the Tea Party in Hyannis to protest the ever-expanding government. In fact it was the FIRST time either of us had ever attended a political event...we were surrounded by fellow retirees, businessmen and women, families with their young children - all of whom were fed up with a government gone wild! You can NOT tell me that the expansion of government debt that has seen ONE president incur more debt than all other presidents before him combined is good for America!!
The United States of America does not belong in the banking business, nor does it belong in the automobile business. Nowhere has a president had the power to hire or fire executives or to regulate the pay of private industry - and I fail to see who gave this man that power! Now he is telling these same companies to file for bankruptcy AFTER giving them BILLIONS of hard-working taxpayers' $$!
So, now do you have just a little idea of who attended the Tea Parties??? Believe me, it was not the potty-mouthed Jeanine or Anderson filthy caricatures - it was everyday middle America - that Silent Majority who refuses to be silent one more day as the country we have loved for so long is being destroyed!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
CapeCon, I'm sorry for
May 24, 2009 - 19:31 ET by JasonCCapeCon, I'm sorry for offending you. I was riled up when I wrote the original post. Also, I sent you a PM.
→ Me too Jason
May 24, 2009 - 19:39 ET by Cool ArrowWe attended at the Alamo, and had never been to a protest either.
My wife and I will likely do OK when I retire in a few years, but I'm shamed that my generation is selling its children into slavery.
Given the choice, I'd rather go to war for either of my sons. Why is it I should choose to live comfortably now at their expense?
Hey where's my apology ?
May 24, 2009 - 19:39 ET by BlazerHey where's my apology ? The Tea Party's were the first time in my life, I've ever protested my government.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oops, sorry Blaze, I didn't
May 24, 2009 - 19:48 ET by JasonCOops, sorry Blaze, I didn't see where you said you went too.
Mind you, I disagree with the premise of the tea parties and that many people derided war protests but considered tax protests somehow "more" patriotic. But I apologize for being so snide about it.
→ Jason
May 24, 2009 - 19:55 ET by Cool ArrowIf the premise of the tea parties is something with which you disagree, you must necessarily know said premise.
Please expound on this "premise" you claim to understand, yet disagree with, focusing on specific points contrary to patriotic thought.
I'm not saying it was
May 24, 2009 - 19:59 ET by JasonCI'm not saying it was unpatriotic, I'm saying I don't feel it was necessarily more patriotic than anti-war protests. Both were concerned with a specific president's particular approach to a certain policy, right? One foreign, one domestic. That the latter happened to be named and styled after an historically patriotic event doesn't make it more so.
As I understand it, the 2009 tea parties pertained to the perception that the government was expanding in a socialistic manner, overspending, and overtaxing the middle class.
→ That's odd
May 24, 2009 - 20:04 ET by Cool Arrow"perception that the government was expanding in a socialistic manner"
Does that mean you don't think the government is expanding in a socialist manner?
You don't think they're overspending? You don't think they will overtax the middle class?
Do you, in your private life, borrow money for unnecessary items so you can spend yourself out of debt?
-It could be defined as
May 24, 2009 - 20:12 ET by JasonC-It could be defined as Socialistic, though it was done out of necessity, not as some grand social experiment.
-Not really and no. My understanding is that there have been middle class tax cuts.
-Ooh, you almost had me on that last one...
→ Your understanding
May 24, 2009 - 20:19 ET by Cool ArrowThat Middle class tax cut consists of nothing more than you can do for yourself.
I can cut my bi-weekly deductions any time I choose. That's all Obama did.
It's the same settle-up to the same numbers come April 15th.
Just raise your number of exemptions claimed, and you' too can get more back every paycheck. But you'll still settle up in April. Nothing's changed for the middle class.
This is the same lame a**
May 25, 2009 - 08:18 ET by bretzysdudeThis is the same lame a** argument that is typed here. "Well, if Bush had done it, he'd be all over the news.' Liberal blogs do it too and it's annoying as h*ll.
Regardless of whether you think it is a lame a** argument or not, it's true. This is how the MSM reacts to things: Bush bad, Obama good. They won't cover this.
And NO, I wouldn't be trashing Bush if he had turned away kids who were late. That's just STUPID. And I wouldn't trash him for a spelling error that you can't really tell is a spelling error to begin with! STUPID.
Yeah, yeah, you can all SAY that you wouldn't do that; what proof do we have that you wouldn't? Nothing. So I still call BS. Even though you may say it is "STUPID", we all know what would be your initial reaction if Bush did the same thing.
We all know that if this were Bush snubbing the...
May 23, 2009 - 13:19 ET by jawebster1cute little kids, this story would have been headline news in the drive-by media from sea to shining sea. One more reason why Republicans fight uphill battles everyday and why Democrats have a distinct advantage. This is not what our founding fathers had in mind when they declared a "free press". Jim Webster
Exactly right jweb. It
May 23, 2009 - 13:21 ET by BlazerExactly right jweb. It would have been plastered across the front page of the NYT-Jazeera complete with a photo of wailing kindergarten kid's with tear's streaming down their faces.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Here's how
May 23, 2009 - 14:51 ET by WesenHere's how W recently told of an imprompteau WH visitor.
Do you think he told him to go away?
"Bush invoked an Iraq veteran's story to motivate the students to continue their educations. He described visiting Army Staff Sgt. Christian Bagge, a soldier from Oregon who lost both legs in combat.
When he visited Bagge at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Bush told him that someday Bagge would get out of his bed and run.
Then, one day, an aide went into Bush's office and said Bagge was waiting on the South Lawn and wanted to go running with the president."
Wesen... Thank you for that
May 23, 2009 - 15:06 ET by bigtimerWesen...
Thank you for that news...makes me misty-eyed...all the way around.
Now that is pure class....and what determination by Bagge.
Just thank you.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Bush wasnt always right
May 23, 2009 - 21:36 ET by general companyBut he did do what he thought was right. He treated the military like they were family. He respected their service.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Let's put the shoe on the other foot....
May 23, 2009 - 23:34 ET by gopmomLet's say that a bus from a private school in DC is going to visit, say, the Smithsonian. They arrive 10 minutes late and, you won't believe this, the director is getting ready to meet a professional football team and his scheduler wants to cancel the kiddie tour in favor of the football players. Now let's say that Obama's children were on that bus. Would they be turned away or would the football players have been told there would be slight delay? If they had been turned away would the director be looking for a new job the next day?
Bus Trip
May 24, 2009 - 08:08 ET by marscatI don't think President Obama knew the whole story. I do not believe that the President would turn away 5 and 6 year old kids because they were a little late, whether 10 min, or 1 hour. I am hopeful he will make amends to this situation in some way. It's not his nature to treat children in this manner. Something smells here.
It's not his nature to
May 24, 2009 - 10:29 ET by BlazerIt's not his nature to treat children in this manner.
I agree. He treat's our troop's so well also, so no doubt he would also treat children very well. Like the time he snubbed our wounded soldier's in Germany because camera's and press weren't allowed in, denying him a juicy photo-op.
And when he became the first president in 56 yrs. to skip out on our veterans at The Salute The Heroes Inaugural Ball in D.C., to go rub elbow's with Barbara Streisand, Beyonce and Jay-Z and a a bunch of hollywood liberal's and recording artist's.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Or when he was the only
May 24, 2009 - 16:12 ET by HockeyKidOr when he was the only Illinois senator to speak on the floor in opposition to the Born Alive Infant Act, which would have prevented doctors from killing babies "accidentally" born alive after a failed abortion attempt. He actually suppors "fourth trimester abortion"--that's right, killing a live-born baby.
Now tell me what's "not in his nature", if you dare.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
HK - let's not forget his famous statement about not wanting
May 24, 2009 - 18:27 ET by Cape Conservativehis daughters to be 'punished' with a baby!!!!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams
white house
May 24, 2009 - 09:13 ET by jessieHjessieH The kids would have been thrilled to meet the Steelers. Why didn't they combine the two? The NFL is known to relate well with kids. Let the kids have a special day to meet the Steelers- & the pres. Could have been a big Photo op, instead of being a cover-up.
Well ,these little "failed
May 24, 2009 - 10:20 ET by nadadhimmiWell ,these little "failed abortions" MUST be shown the POWER of: "The One". Bush is vilified for reading to 1st graders when the news of the attack came in on 9/11, and it's ignored when Obama snubs the same age group of kids, making them cry. MY GOD!!!!!! THE NEWS MEDIA ARE WHORES. Just chant with me and Katie Couric, to feel all better now:: Obama is God, ooohhhmmm, Obama is God, ooohhhmmm.
nada - as Katie stated in an interview for Parade mag before
May 24, 2009 - 18:44 ET by Cape Conservativeshe took over the evening news, her job was to 'explain to her viewers what she had just told them' - those dummies weren't intelligent enough to think for themselves. We watched her ONCE - the night Rush was her guest ;-) And the clips I saw of her Sarah Palin interview confirmed my deepest suspicions - watching her is not worth 2 minutes of my life!
This comment comes from a proud Tea Party attendee, otherwise known as a RWRE!! It is no dishonor to be in a minority in the cause of liberty and virtue ~ Sam Adams