2006 Refought: Michael J. Fox Slams Limbaugh for 'Cartoonish' Attack on Fox's Sleazy Democrat Ads

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Selling a new book, actor Michael J. Fox appeared Monday on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show and dismissed Rush Limbaugh as "cartoonish" for his criticism of Fox’s slashing ads for Democrats in the 2006 midterms. After host Jon Stewart suggested Limbaugh’s brain was "diseased," Fox even joked to Stewart that it’s questionable that Limbaugh has a brain. Left out of the cozy, mocking liberal chat was any notion of what Fox actually said in his commercials for Democrats.

"Cartoonish" is a good word for what Fox claimed in a mud-slinging 2006 ad against Sen. Jim Talent, who lost his race. He claimed Talent "opposes expanding stem cell research. Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us a chance for hope." (For more background, see the October 25, 2006 Cyber Alert.) At the time, The Weekly Standard reported one spokesman took the extravagant claim further, claiming that by criminalizing medical research, the anti-cloning legislation would mandate that a cured patient's first steps "out of a wheelchair" would be "into a jail cell."

Stewart walked Fox into a Limbaugh attack by suggesting how he was stunned that Fox’s "motives could be impugned." As if Fox wasn’t doing any impugning of Jim Talent?

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STEWART: I was stunned, you know, when you got involved in this, the idea that your motives could be impugned. That was the craziest part I ever saw, and I’ve always wondered, I didn’t talk to you after that happened --

FOX: That’s when it got fun. People think that’s when it got bad for me, but that’s when it got fun. When – Rush Limbaugh – I can barely say the name.

STEWART: So many of us have that issue.

FOX: I really have a block. But when he kind of launched his attack, it was -- I had this moment where I went – "Oh my God, is it that predictable? Is it that cartoonish? That you like, attack the messenger in this way, and not deal with the merits of the science at all?

STEWART: It’s absolutely that cartoonish.

FOX: It’s that cartoonish. But what was great was it allowed me to then start a dialogue, start a conversation. We basically hijacked the last two weeks of that midterm election to talk about stem cells, which nobody wanted to talk about. And it was, other than the fact that I was deadly serious about it, there was sort of a merry prankster thing to it.

Earlier in the conversation, Fox told Stewart that he explained his Parkinson’s Disease to his daughter by just saying "My brain works differently than yours." Stewart picked that up again to whack Limbaugh:

STEWART: When your daughter asked you about that, did you have to explain to her, ‘His brain works differently?’ [Laughter] It’s diseased!

FOX: That presupposes [he has a brain]....[Stewart laughs.]

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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If I only had a brain

After host Jon Stewart suggested Limbaugh’s brain was "diseased," Fox
even joked to Stewart that it’s questionable that Limbaugh has a brain.

I'm confused, isn't the guy with the brain disease Michael J. Fox? I guess that went right over his (diseased) head.Way to mock the handicapped Jon.

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Mr. Fox

I have always known that Mr.Stewart was of questionable integrity and intelligence.  However, until recently I had thought higher of Mr. Fox.

I thought in this "new world order" of political correctness, no-one would be making offensive jokes about the handicapped.  Evidently Mr. Stewart thinks that Brain disorders are funny, and Mr. Fox (the victim of Parkinsons) has played into his hands as a modern day Uncle Tom...

Fox

I believe Fox did not take his medication so he would make a more dramatic impression in his pro stem cell commercial. Patho's aside, the medical benefit of embryonic stem cells to his afflication has not been established.

I think Limbaugh viewed Fox as the exploiter, and so do I.

When you have no facts or

When you have no facts or logic to back up your views, you need some scape-goat to ridicule and mock.

This is a common liberal tactic.

It's sad.

I used to like Fox quite a bit, but his nonsense has clouded his performances. Stewart? He's another story. His immature humor or attempts never meant much to me. Limbaugh will be remembered for his profound impact on our civilization and for his serious and much appreciated fight to preserve our nation long after those other two are gone and forgotten.

I was okay with him until

I was okay with him until Doc Hollywood.  It was a decent movie up until the anti hunting crap that seemed to be thrown in, and added absolutely nothing to the movie.

→ Couldn't watch it

Could somebody who did watch this exchange please tell me whether Fox was on, or off, his meds for this interview.

I'm thinking he was on his meds, unlike the Claire McCasskill ad he did.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

I don't know much about the

I don't know much about the illness, so I don't know all it's characteristics. But he was definitely moving around quite a bit, as opposed to his guest appearance on "Rescue Me," where it wasn't nearly as noticeable.

It's difficult to say.  I

It's difficult to say.  I don't know why he would ever be off of his meds, as the uncontrollable shaking would certainly make it impossible to conduct an interview.  16 years after his diagnosis, he's most likely in such bad shape that to go off the meds to show the public how debilitating the disease is (again) most definitely is not a wise idea.  Best of luck to Fox and anyone else who has suffered from PD.

Parkinson's

 
My granpa had Parkinson's and I trully believe he would be disgusted at Fox going off-med to push a political point. Granpa was, yes, very conservative and loved all life. Killing embyos is not the answer. Adult stem cells have proven much more promising. I do hope Fox doesn't suffer badly from PD, I feel bad for him and anyone and their families who suffer this terrible disease. I'll pray for them all.  

 

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

My grandfather died from it

My grandfather died from it as well.  As an artist (and yes, liberal) I imagine he would have been rather happy with Fox drawing attention to this incurable disease.  Then again, who am I to put words in a deceased man's mouth.

My condolences Steve

Drawing attention to this disease is one thing, agreed. Killing embyo's, I.E. baby's, now that is different. Grandpa would not agree with Fox on embrionic stem cell research as it kills unborns. As I said, adult stem cell research show better results. I believe embrionic stem cell research is pushed by the abortion lobby. That's MHO.

What kind of art do you produce BTW!  Just curious.  : ) 

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

Sorry, not to confuse - my

Sorry, not to confuse - my grandfather was the artist/art professor for 60+ years, mostly drawing, painting, and some ceramics and sculpturing.  I'm in finance - not much creativity there.  Well, you can use your imagination.

My grandfather died from it

My grandfather died from it too...he was one of the first lab rats for an experimental drug called el dopa at UCLA....I could write a book about it and him as I lived with them for a good part of my life, and aided with him for a great part of my young life, gladly...he was diagnosed with it at an early age as was Fox...

What Fox did was sinful in my opinion...and I will leave it at that.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

BT

 
I'm trully sorry you had to go through that with you grandfather, it's a trully nasty disease. God Bless you. My grandpa didn't get any new drugs, just those that would keep him somewhat comfortable. He had a sense of humor 'til the end. God I miss him. Fox is using his disease to push a political agenda. I guess I can't blame him though, this terrible disease needs research, just not embryonic stem cell. JMHO. I spent almost every weekend of my teen/early 20's with my grandpa, he was my best freind. Lord knows I could tell you some crazy stories. He quit school after the 6th grade to help his family. He was an author believe it or not, self taught. Do you remember the Ford Times? He contributed to them. I have several boxes of National Geographics dating to the early 1900's that he gave me. I'm gonna stop now. What Fox did was sinful? Yes it was IMHO. I will leave it at that also. God Bless.

Gary

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

Michael, if you don't like Limbaugh's comment

then stop appearing on TV as if all these interviews will actually cure your desease.

 

 

One doesn't really have

One doesn't really have anything to do with the other. He's on TV to promote his book, and his appearance on "Rescue Me."

He need not be saying that "some do not have a brain" so do not

impugn anyone for not sympathizing when he puts himself in this position. He indeed deserves some scorn or scrutiny for his behavior.

The point here is he is impugning others that disagree with him over stem cells.

He deserves NOT a free pass.

He need control his tongue NOT just his shaking.

pahuber

Yoda?

Is that you?

OMG! yeah, I know sometime backwards talk I ; )

lol

→ Pahuber

Real Yoda are you not.

Toy Yoda are you.

American should you buy.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Sorry, just had to throw

Sorry, just had to throw that in. :)

I loved it : )

take care! :)

 

Just for the record

Before anyone goes any further, let's remember that the whole thing started because Fox was airing an attack ad against the Republican. He was doing the attacking. Now, remembering the fact that it was Fox who was engaging in political attack, listen again to Fox on (appropriately) Comedy Central:

"I had this moment where I went – "Oh my God, is it that predictable? Is it that cartoonish? That you like, attack the messenger in this way, and not deal with the merits of the science at all? "

Yeah. Exactly.

But Fox wasn't attacking the

But Fox wasn't attacking the stem cell "messenger," right? He was attacking the policy stance. Rush made fun of Fox's affliction.

So what.... even if that were true of Rush (I doubt it is)

michael put himself in the line of fire for taking a candidates side and doing a spot for him.

pahuber... Good point. If

pahuber...

Good point. If you don't want blowback on a subject, then your only option is to shut-up. Considering we live in a country where freedom of speech is still practiced, I'm shocked that anyone thinks there's a problem here.

Screwing With The Huffington Post

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Blowback is fine and should

Blowback is fine and should be expected. But to mock someone's disease, that's a bit much, isn't it?

And no one is saying restrict Rush's speech. At least I'm not. I'm criticizing him for what he said. 

Who mocked his

Who mocked his disease?

The Revolution Has Begun

 

 Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

Really?

Really?

Rush Limbaugh did not mock

Rush Limbaugh did not mock the disease, simply try to act out a comparative between Fox ON his medication and Fox OFF his medication.

THere was reason to believe that Fox did not take his medication prior to his testimony in order to ellicit more sympathy.  Limbaugh mentioned that and simulated the difference on his camera.

Personnally, I do not think Limbaugh could know whether Fox did or did not take his medication, but he did not MOCK him and thus the comment was fair play.

With respect, I disagree

Fox appeared in a political ad to attack the Republican opponent. Your objection would make sense if Fox was urging both candidates, or the winner, to adopt the policy. But that's not what happened. Fox was attacking a political candidate.

In general, I would have been horrified by Rush making fun of Fox's affliction, but I changed my mind when I found out that Fox deliberately went off his medication to dramatize his symptoms. When he did that, he lost the right to any special sensitivity.

After all, the argument is not that conservatives want Fox to continue to suffer. It's whether the risk of finding a cure outweighs the certainty of killing embryos. His symptoms have nothing to do with that argument.

All he tried to do was garner sympathy. But if you're going to "show off" your symptoms, even when it doesn't matter to the actual argument, then you're prostituting yourself for the sake of a political cause. And if you're going to do that, you deserve the ridicule.

Fox and Limbaugh

My recollection from an interview with Fox is that after listening to Congressional testimony highlighting the marvelous promise that expanded stem cell researh held for a wide range of debilitating neurological disorders such as Parkinson's Disease, he vowed to offer his services to any political candidate supporting the research regardless of party.  That was the genesis of his pro-McCaskill ad.

Manipulating his medication does raise ethical questions, although not so much as if he had physically exaggerated his symptoms during the taping of the ad [which I believe is what Limbaugh initially suggested].  Fox obviously wanted to make a dramatic point--simply doing a voice-over would have little or no impact--but it would have been preferable had he acknowledged that his visible condition, while authentic, was aggravated by the absence of controlling medication.  It would also have been preferable if Limbaugh had addressed the incident with a greater degree of sensitivity.

Jer  

Understood

But remember, Fox was using his celebrity and his disease to promote a political candidate. That's deliberate manipulation. Now, if that's part of the political game, fine, but then so is Limbaugh's response.

It's unfortunately a trait of human psychology that we remember events in the way we want to remember them, not as they actually happened. The media collectively does the same thing. That's why this incident, far removed from the actual event, gets portrayed in the media only as: "Rush makes fun of poor disease victim." That's when the media piles up these mis-remembered events into a "conventional wisdom," and all of a sudden a harmless talk show host becomes Emperor Palpatine.

The only way to defeat that process is to archive and library the events as they happen - which is why I like NewsBusters. Five years from now, we can look back and see these events as they actually happened (or they'll at least have another perspective available), instead of from the partisan gloss the "memories" will have acquired in the minds of the partisans.

Good grief, KC, campaign

Good grief, KC, campaign ads are inherently manipulative.  That's a political reality.  As stated earlier, the ethical issues arise from Fox's possible manipulation of the effects of the disease by tweaking his medicaion. 

Let's not forget Limbaugh's partisan stake in the matter.  Rush was annoyed that Fox was supporting a Democrat over a Republican in his (Limbaugh's) home state of Missouri.  That said, no one is suggesting it was inappropriate to question whether or why Fox's symptoms may have appeared more pronounced during his taped endorsement of McCaskill.  But, I am suggesting Limbaugh's manner of raising the issue displayed questionable taste.

Jer

So it is a "Style Argument?"

So it is a "Style Argument?"

To a large degree,

To a large degree, yes.

Jer

Prefer substance versus

Prefer substance versus Style.

Me too, BD.

Me too, BD.

But, call me crazy...why not both?

Jer

Manipulation

Jer, I know that political ads are inherently manipulative. That was the point of my previous post. My point was that once Fox engaged in manipulation, he has no right to complain about anyone else doing it.

You see, that's what's so idiotic about the way we conduct politics. It's full of deceptions, but everyone knows about the deceptions. They don't deceive anyone. Still, despite the fact that we all know what's going on, we behave as if the deceptions are succeeding.

Michael J. Fox exploited his celebrity and his disease to try to manipulate voters to vote for McCaskill. Neither his celebrity nor his disease form any intellectual basis for a political vote. We all know that. And yet, even though we all know that, they air the ads anyway - and they work! It's as if they're telling the American people that we're about to manipulate you, and the American public nods its head, and willingly allows itself to get spun.

Frankly, we're just stupid enough to deserve the leadership we elect.

Frankly, we're just stupid

Frankly, we're just stupid enough to deserve the leadership we elect.

I'm willing to end this on that point of agreement. :-)

Jer

All in favor say aye

The ayes have it.

Either you're ignorant or

Either you're ignorant or you're being deliberately dishonest, bal.  Rush did not make fun of Fox's affliction, and I think you know it.  He was commenting on Fox's exploitation of the symptoms of his Parkinson's Disease and he was simply demonstrating the movements for those 24/7 webcam viewers who hadn't seen it.  For you and other libs to contort that into the erroneous claim that he was "making fun" of Michael J. Fox is just sad.  Grow up.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

"Simply demonstrating"?

"Simply demonstrating"? Gosh, how helpful Rush is for his viewers...

Rush made fun of his something Fox can't help, claiming they weren't symptoms of his disease but "an act." 

 

Doubling down on your lie

Doubling down on your lie doesn't make it the truth, bal.  Rush Limbaugh was not making fun of Michael J. Fox.  Let me ask you a question: have you ever used your hands when trying to verbally emphasize a point?  You know, "talk with your hands"?  That is effectively what Limbaugh was doing...his live "audience" was comprised of the handful of people who pay for his 24/7 membership and were logged on to his site for the live webcam at that time.  But, as is predictable, the dishonest hacks on the left (with Fox's tacit approval) intentionally misrepresented what happened to advance their agenda...and people like you bought the line (somehow, I don't think it was a tough sell).  And by the way, Limbaugh did not claim they weren't symptoms of the disease...he suggested that he was exaggerating his symptoms for effect (either by playing with his medication or through acting...and Fox admitted that he had played with his medication to exaggerate the symptoms for maximum effect).

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

Potato / potahto. I think

Potato / potahto. I think you're wrong. I know what I saw.

I know what I

I know what I saw.

Obviously, you don't.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

hi KC

a refresher on the pertinent info if you (or anyone else) is interested.

Right you are, KC

At the time, I did quite a bit of research on the whole issue, and put up a wonderful blog post here, which was blasted when the site was revamped....I did, however, find a subsequent post.

Michael J. Fox did indeed, admit, that he had discontinued his meds in order to look more "sympathetic"...more tics and twitches...for his ad.

Rush had him dead to rights, but of course, the media spun it out of control...and Rush came out looking like the bad guy.

Anyway, here is the background on the whole sordid tale.

http://newsbusters.o...

Sorry, my rich text editor is not working...go figure.

 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Aha! Great minds think alike

I swear I made my response to Jer above before I read further down the page to see your post here. You make the same point, only you give details.

You really are a brilliant woman, Blonde, to have agreed with me! LOL!

Seems that mocking conservatives as not having a brain and

expecting sympathy from others because of your unfortunate health is really self defeating.  Any sympathy from me that I have had before for him has dwindled down to just another liberal using their health to actually help promote democrats rather than supporting a cause.

Kinda like vote for xyz because I have a disease.  

His comments on lil johnny stewart seem to support this.

 

FOX: I really have a block.

FOX: I really have a block. But when he kind of launched his attack, it was -- I had this moment where I went – "Oh my God, is it that predictable? Is it that cartoonish? That you like, attack the messenger in this way, and not deal with the merits of the science at all?   

   hhmmm... who is it that is not dealing with the science now?  Embryonic stem cell as a cure-all for diseases is so last decade.  Adult stem cells is where the action is now.  Of course the democrats are still whipping a few more miles out of that dead horse and there are 'scientists' willing to take government money to do research.

These high holy ones know what good is

It is no wonder that one's motives would be impugned when one wants to commit murder. Fox like Chris Reeve are in very sad situations. But to say that their life is more important than the others that will be killed to find a cure for them is heartless. And now Rush has no brain? Well the brainless one doesn't want to kill babies. The left has no limit to the positions and causes that are pro-death for humans. Bugs they'll save. These folks have set themselves up as the new religious high priestly cast. Whatever they say is good, it's good. And killing to save themselves is good.
TSF Protests!

Fox doesn't want to commit

Fox doesn't want to commit murder to find a cure.

Depends on your defintion

Depends on your defintion of the start of life, right?

Personally I believe life starts at conception and therefore destroying it to perform medical research is indeed murder.

THerefore, people who wish to perform such acts or have them performed for their benefit are willing to have murder committed for their benefit.

Personally I don't. So those

Personally I don't. So those people aren't committing murder for their benefit.

Good morning Bal

Cutting a hole in the back of a baby's head and vacuuming out its brains is not murder?

Cutting a baby into pieces and removing it one piece at a time is not murder?

Injecting a saline solution and literally boiling a baby to death is not murder?

Removing a baby and throwing it into a trash can is not murder?

You apparently have no morals nor compassion.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

→ coco

Aren't technicalities a wonderful thing?

If the foot is still in the birth canal, it's just a medical procedure.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Good morning Cool

How right you are. Thanks to technicalities Mr. and Mrs. Bill Terrorist Ayers are free and 40 million plus Americans are DEAD. The destroyers of the United States economy are alive and hiding in the senate and congress.

I want a government job, so what do I have to blow up to get one. I tried not paying my taxes and that didn't work out too well.

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

Taxes

"I tried not paying my taxes and that didn't work out too well. "

Well duh! You're not a democrat!  Helloooo! 

Snicker!  ; )

GARY

"Things can only bother you if you let them bother you" -My Dad

→ Sad situation, Frog

If only we had voted for John Kerry, Chris Reeve would be walking today.  (According to John Edwards)


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

I REALLY don't get it. (Rhetorical)

Obama WON.  The dems have a majority and can do anything they want.  Why are these libtards out there foaming EVEN MORE at the mouth?  Is it a smoke screen for what a frigging idiot Obama is?  The more we see of this goofball pretending to be President, the dumber he gets?  Yet you got Fox on here who now has a president he wants who endorsed stem cell research so that he can go back to getting movie parts screaming about...what?

Truly unbelievable.

And dude, the only brain that's diseased around here is yours.

"To sin by silence when we should protest, makes cowards of men" -Ella Wheeler Wilcox

more NewsBusters filler

But what Limbaugh said about Fox wasn't offensive, right?

He reaped what he sowed.

Limbaugh's courage

Limbaugh had the guts to point out that Fox was chosen as a spokesperson in part because he was a victim of a disease.  In today's PC cullture, that put him above being challenged regardless of his dishonesty.  When Limbaugh spoke out against him, it was the perfect excuse for a storm of trumped-up pseudo outrage. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

But what Limbaugh said

But what Limbaugh said about Fox wasn't offensive, right?

Absolutely right.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill

fitz.... I ditto that.

fitz....

I ditto that. ;-)

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Oh come on... Think McFly

Oh come on...

Think McFly THINK!

    FOX: That

    FOX: That presupposes [he has a brain]....[Stewart laughs.]

   That comment by Fox removes any supposed immunity from criticism.  If he is willing to go on a national venue and trash talk another person then he better be able to 'take it' if he is going to dish it out.  Going on with Stewert and badmouthing Rush doesn't take much courage. 

We're all aware of Mr.

We're all aware of Mr. Fox's condition and not at all happy about his misfortune...but to try to turn a Rush/Conservative bashing into a Parkinson's Awareness segment is beyond ridiculous.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Sadly, Michael J. Fox is afflicted with at least two diseases:

Parkinson and Liberalism. Both affect the functions of the brain.

Speaking of cartoons, one of the best political cartoonist on the right is Investors Business Daily's Michael Ramirez. Rush Limbaugh says this about Ramirez's political cartoons:

"Ramirez lances the
Left
with the best
weapon of all. Humor. As Ronald Reagan said,
'Just laugh at them.' Mike is second only to me
in showing how it's done."

Michael Ramirez's political cartoons can be found here. Take a look at his work for April 2009 if you want to see what he thinks of President Obama.

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“The liberal mind does not work like the mind of a regular person.  Their obsession with power and control is what drives them at all times.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

Michael J. Fox

Michael J. Fox doesn't care one bit that babies will be killed so they can be dissected and experimented on

All that matters to him is he may live longer

MJF nationality

Isn't Michael J. Fox Canadian anyways?

Does lead one to ask, with

Does lead one to ask, with all the fine medical experiementaiton going on in Canada due to socialized medicine, why is Fox not living and receiving treatment there?

I bet MJ Fox is not dependant on the socialized medicine of his homeland nor desirious of its research keeping him alive.