While Time magazine honors Arianna Huffington as the Oracle of the Internet, anyone reading The Huffington Post knows it’s still a salon for liberal celebrities to channel their own self-involved conspiracy theories about how conservatism is ruining the world, and especially the world of the Artist. In a rant posted on Sunday night, '80s rock star John Mellencamp unfurled the theory that Ronald Reagan ruined the music business, and now it’s somehow impossible for musicians and bands to "percolate up" from the street:
Reagan's much-vaunted trickle-down theory said that wealth tricked down [sic] to the masses from the elite at the top. Now we've found out that this is patently untrue -- the current economic collapse reflects this self-serving folly. The same holds for music. It doesn't trickle down; it percolates up from the artists, from word of mouth, from the streets and rises up to the general populace. Constrained by the workings of SoundScan/BDS [Broadcast Data Systems], music now came from the top and was rammed down people's throats....
Story Continues Below Ad ↓Sadly, these days, it's really a matter of "every man for himself." In terms of possibilities, we are but an echo of what we once were. Of course, the artist does not want to "sell out to The Man." Left with no real choice except that business model of greed and the bean counting mentality that Reagan propagated and the country embraced, there is only "The Man" to deal with. There is no street for the music to rise up from. There is no time for the music to develop in a natural way that we can all embrace when it ripens and matures. That's why the general public doesn't really care. It's not that the people don't still love music; of course they do. It's just the way it is presented to them that ignores their humanity.
Fractions of Mellencamp’s analysis can make some sense to music lovers. The "Wall Streeting" conglomeration of the entertainment industry can certainly make the music business seem like a faceless mass that values profit over art. But certainly, Mellencamp doesn’t want to try and argue that the music business didn’t value profits first before Ronald Reagan was president. He certainly can’t begin to capture the irony of a profits-first music industry making millions of dollars off drug-fueled left-wing hippie music in the 1960s and 1970s.
But his next interviewer should ask: If Reagan was such a menace to the authentic musician of the streets, how did Mellencamp’s career somehow take off in the Reagan years?
Some of the paragraphs in Mellencamp’s Huff-Post rant sounded like a man who’s quickly approaching sixty, including an odd attack on the Compact Disc Conspiracy:
The CD, it should be noted, was born out of greed. It was devised to prop up record sales on the expectation of people replenishing their record collections with CDs of albums they had already purchased. They used to call this "planned obsolesce" [sic] in the car business. Sound quality was supposed to be one of the big selling points for CDs but, as we know, it wasn't very good at all. It was just another con, a get-rich-quick scheme, a monumental hoax perpetrated on the music consuming public.
If this is all true, does Mellencamp also lament the Cassette Tape Conspiracy, and the Eight-Track Tape Conspiracy? Don't get him started about the i-Pod.
Mellencamp snobbily associates the corporate music executive with cheese, like Mariah Carey and the "Monster Mash." The Artists are great, and should not have to consort with business people and their pedestrian ways:
Nora Guthrie, Woody's daughter, once told me a story about a reception she was at where Bob Dylan was in attendance. The business people there were quietly commenting on how unsociable Dylan seemed to them, not what they imagined an encounter with Dylan would be like. When that observation about Dylan's behavior and disposition were mentioned to Nora, the response was very profound. She said that Bob Dylan was not put on this earth to participate in cocktail chatter with strangers. Bob Dylan's purpose in life is to write great songs like "Blowin' in the Wind" and "The Times They Are A' Changin'." This sort of sums it all up for me. The artist is here to give the listener the opportunity to dream, a very profound and special gift even if he's minimally successful. If the artist only entertains you for three and a half minutes, it's something for which thanks should be given. Consider how enriched all of our lives are made by songs from "Like A Rolling Stone," a masterpiece, to "The Monster Mash," a trifle by comparison.
This, from the man who sang "Hurts So Good."
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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March 23, 2009 - 10:43 ET by GottafangThe Internet made the old business model invalid.
Yup. If only that damn Gore
March 23, 2009 - 11:07 ET by SickofLibsYup. If only that damn Gore hadn't invented the internet.
"Little pinko houses for you
March 23, 2009 - 10:48 ET by SickofLibs"Little pinko houses for you and me."
No wonder I listen to talk radio
March 23, 2009 - 10:51 ET by fairtax4everIt just keeps getting sadder and sadder to pay any attention to these liberal folk. I really enjoy(ed) listening to Mellencamp and others' music and watching movies from the liberal hollywood elitists. It has gotten to the point that I don't want to listen to their music, watch their movies or basically give a darn about their liberal whinings.
I guess its time to shoot the tv and the home theatre and grow my garden.
I agree with Johnnyboy that the something happened.
March 23, 2009 - 10:56 ET by JWFBut how did a Indiana farm boy get so lost in the Hollywood echo chamber.
Something happened around 1993 or 1994. Death of Top 40? Soundscan stopping the ability to lie about sales? The internet fracturing the various groups of music? Music stars becoming hyperpartisan (hello John!)? Not so many music producers (bye bye wall of sound)?
I would think Ronald Reagans' alzhiemers in the early 90's had little influence.
So, yes, lots of classic rock stations, I heart the 80's stations. Classic 90's stations - yea not so many.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
CONTENT
March 23, 2009 - 11:28 ET by UnsaneIndeed, JWF, I have fond memories of the 1980s when it comes to music. Yes, even if I am a headbanger with the need to listen to some occasional classical composers (Mozart is THE sickest musician to ever grace the earth, period!), I have a huge soft spot for the pop music found on AOR stations during the 1980s.
The music industry was great during the 1980s and it had much less to do with Reagan and much much more to do with the content (gasp!) of the music and the radio stations they inhabited. Around 1993/1994, as you note, something happened. It had less to do with Clinton and much much more to do with content.
Popular music, and that of many genres, is just crap these days, with the exception of the gems you have to sift for endlessly (how lucky I was to catch on to Dream Theater in 1992 when "Pull Me Under" ruled the airwaves). If the music industry concentrates on producing great content, not even the advent of the Internet will matter. Produce the content and They Will Come. If not....
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
UNSANE...
March 23, 2009 - 23:35 ET by danybhoyIt is about content, when you look at the playlists of most Top40 or Adult Contemporary stations, why would anyone listen? Not me, does'nt sound like you do either.
One thing I sort of agree with Mellencamp on is that music is bottom up, not top down. Where he goes off the edge is blaming Reagan, he had nothing to do with that. Reagan's connection with music was the message HE TOOK AWAY FROM THE SONG. I always hear musicians say how they love how people can find different angles to find comfort & inspiration from their songs, maybe Mellencamp forgot that. Reagan used music for imagery, not unlike a sports montage at the end of a big sporting event set to a particular song.
Actually, Boy George said something on a BBC TV interview I saw that rings true with me. He said that true musical genious comes from the gutter, from the working class, & from those with nothing, not from those from the top. When you look at The Beatles, Iron Maiden, The Who, Elvis, Def Leppard, whoever, they did not come from money. Now as for Boy George going to jail for beating the hell out of a male prostitute that he had tied to the wall, not too clever.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Re another Hollywood Idiot
March 23, 2009 - 10:58 ET by slickwillie2001He may not be too bright, but he's a real good dancer.
Re: John Kooky
March 23, 2009 - 11:00 ET by Tim Graham"I'm uneducated / my opinion means nothin'"
Except at The Huffington Post.
When he fights authority,
March 23, 2009 - 11:24 ET by Cranky GordonWhen he fights authority, authority always wins.
Or at least "common sense"
March 23, 2009 - 12:25 ET by NC CopOr at least "common sense" and "logic" always wins.
What a putz!!!
John Cougar-Mellonhead
March 24, 2009 - 12:03 ET by Dont_Like_TheBluesI remember one of his late 1980s rants about how "the man" made him use the name Little Johnny Cougar" and "John Cougar" because Mellencamp / Mellonhead (whatever) wouldn't sell. Then he switched back his last name after he had enough evil Regan-Era money.
This guy has consistantly described himself as being immature (when he was in his 30s-40s) He noted his numerous divorces and volatile relationships. Also his own spending habits ("....I don't think [I] should have been able to have a credit card until I was [35 or 40]....").
Now he's suddenly omnipotent about the music industry ?!?!? WTF?
Based on what he's blabbing about he was happier in the Regan days.
Another lib' that lives in a glass house and shouldn't be throwing stones.
If I could travel through time, I'd introduce 60 yo Mellonhead to 30 yo Cougar-Mellonhead so the younger one could beat the s**!
out of him for being associated with anything nicknamed "huffy-poo".
Puff away
March 23, 2009 - 11:01 ET by iveseenitallTake another puff of the stuff, John. I think you've got alot of company in high places.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
My, my, my....
March 23, 2009 - 11:01 ET by Paul AtreidesNora Guthrie, Woody's daughter, once told me a story about a reception she was at where Bob Dylan was in attendance. The business people there were quietly commenting on how unsociable Dylan seemed to them, not what they imagined an encounter with Dylan would be like. When that observation about Dylan's behavior and disposition were mentioned to Nora, the response was very profound. She said that Bob Dylan was not put on this earth to participate in cocktail chatter with strangers. Bob Dylan's purpose in life is to write great songs like "Blowin' in the Wind" and "The Times They Are A' Changin'." This sort of sums it all up for me. The artist is here to give the listener the opportunity to dream, a very profound and special gift even if he's minimally successful. If the artist only entertains you for three and a half minutes, it's something for which thanks should be given. Consider how enriched all of our lives are made by songs from "Like A Rolling Stone," a masterpiece, to "The Monster Mash," a trifle by comparison.
The pretentious ramblings of a has-been! So disdainful that he should have to dirty his hands with something so distasteful as money. I'm sure that he dirtied them only so long as to deposit those royalty checks; then, he went back to being an artiste....and a has-been.
I get so tired of hearing from our multi-millionaire "men/women of the people," who collect gazillions of dollars for performing. Do the actors and actresses pass that fee onto the cameraman, the scriptwriter, the popcorn boy, the ticket girl or do they spend it on a new yacht or $50,000 outfit that will be worn only one time to a self-congratulatory awards event?
Don't shut up and sing; just SHUT UP!
Paul:
March 23, 2009 - 11:04 ET by iveseenitallRight on. And the greatest actor of all : Barry!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Actually, I have been to a
March 23, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Ruths husband BenActually, I have been to a few Bob Dylan concerts. I believe that he was put here on this earth to mumble incoherently (but profoundly).
Oh, and I will pay good money to hear him mumble anytime he's in town.
Obama: "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers." -Ed Mahmoud
Have you ever seen the video by Weird Al
March 23, 2009 - 21:29 ET by thebutlerdiditthat is a parody of Nirvana, Smells like Teen Spirit? Al mumbles through the lyrics, and toward the end he starts gargling and spitting out the marbles he has in his mouth. I crack up every time. I picture Dylan, (and Cobain), doing the same thing. I have never been able to stomach the sight nor sound of Bob, I think his son has talent, but he just skeeves me out. I'm sure he doesn't smell too hot, either. Maybe it's just port a pottie fumes? Dirty old hippie smells? Yuck. And pretentious as hell. I was a teen in the 80's, really liked John Cougar, uhm Mellencamp, in those days, but he turned out to be yet another disapointment. No big surprise. I blame Reagan. LOL.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Innovation
March 23, 2009 - 11:01 ET by KC MulvilleAll he's talking about is pop music. And while I agree that the pop music scene is crushingly boring, that's not all there is to music. I'll argue that if you're into different kinds of music, you have many more options now than you had before.
Amen! "...that's
March 23, 2009 - 13:18 ET by TexasteacherAmen!
"...that's not all there is to music."
No, according to the students at my school, rap is the only music worth caring about and they simply cannot grasp why we don't listen to or perform it in my music classes. Don't even get me started about that piece of s*** "drumline" movie.
I try to educate my kids about music, but they have the TV and the radio turned up louder.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Rap
March 23, 2009 - 13:39 ET by Unsane...you may need to explain to those poor dears that rap is basically couplet rhyming poetry....and that's it. Great rhymes devoid of musical ability, or at least original musical ability.
About a decade ago I heard a rap performed to Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir" which made me cringe, and still does.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Oh, believe me, I've tried
March 23, 2009 - 13:58 ET by TexasteacherOh, believe me, I've tried explaining it. They just don't believe me. Silly me, thinking my years of musical training could hold a candle to children whose greatest amount of musical study is knowing where their favorite radio station is on the dial.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Unsane
March 23, 2009 - 21:46 ET by RESTLESS 1I heard a rap a few years back with "Crazy Train" as the background. Shed a few tears that day.
I knew it would get bad when Tone Loc sampled Van Halen's "Jamies Cryin". Ughhh!!!!
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I believe the correct term
March 23, 2009 - 14:35 ET by Scuba DudeI believe the correct term would be cRap music. I consider this a continuing "dumbing down" of America. When entertainers like these cRap "musicians" and pop diva's receive more airtime and press than people who actually WRITE and PLAY their own music, you know the intellect of the country is going downhill.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Mellencamp has definitely
March 23, 2009 - 11:04 ET by balboaMellencamp has definitely gotten crankier as he's gotten older. I still love Cherry Bomb, Check It Out, and others, but I don't really need to listen to his theories about the music industry.
crankier
March 23, 2009 - 11:09 ET by SickofLibsYeah, and you'd think surviving a heart attack would give you a renewed vision of life.
Hey Cougar Boy.... when you
March 23, 2009 - 11:05 ET by FreakyBoyHey Cougar Boy.... when you learn that elusive fourth chord you might start selling albums again.
Metallica did learn that
March 23, 2009 - 11:12 ET by SickofLibsMetallica did learn that fourth chord, but that didn't stop Lars Ulrich from suing 12 year olds.
SICKOFLIBS...
March 23, 2009 - 22:45 ET by danybhoySay what you will about Metallica, what Lars Ulrich was doing was preventing theft. The only difference between old time music theft & today's music theft is that back in the day, you had to stuff a CD or tape in your pants while nobody was looking.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Well played! obama's
March 23, 2009 - 13:19 ET by TexasteacherWell played!
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Where to begin?
March 23, 2009 - 11:06 ET by Cranky GordonThat's a whole boatload of stupid right there.
Besides playing up all the obvious cliches, he demonstrates no knowledge of the industry that made him?
Reagan's trickle down policy was responsible for the top-down corporate model? Did he ever hear of Alan Freed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Freed ?
Surely Mellencamp-Cougar must have noticed that the liberal entertainment biz rejected Reagan's "Greed is Good" mantra and just pass on music for the love of it. I'm sure the RIAA was cooked up by Reagan to funnel money and Lonesome Jamboree CDs to the Contras.
I wonder if his small town would have him back?
Beatles/Monkees
March 23, 2009 - 11:11 ET by flyingmonkeyThe music industry has always had a mix of street artists who rose from oblivion and manufactured stars created in sound studios, and it had been going on long before Ronald Reagan. It's just so much easier now to create a Brittany Spears than to wait for one to come along.
I'm sure that there are still music scouts out there looking for the next street sensation and if John Mellencamp would come down out of his ivory tower, maybe he could help some struggling young artists himself, instead of sitting back and complaining about it.
As for the Dylan story, he may have just been an unsociable man. I'm sure he had an agent as well as a financial advisor.
Lennon and McCartney
March 23, 2009 - 11:21 ET by Paul Atreidesbecame some of the richest men in the music industry, worth hundreds of millions. Mellancamp needs to quit acting as if he is someone who came into the music scene in some sort of artistic Mayflower.
Bingo! I love getting on
March 23, 2009 - 16:45 ET by UndercoverConservativeBingo!
I love getting on my mother's case about how even the "Great" Beatles were a market manufactured band, where Ringo was forced in for the sole reason of him being "hip" and more marketable.
Music has *always* been a barely concealed money making machine with a thin layer of pretend freedom and manufactured rebellion. Now that the facade is even weaker, they try to patch it with bulls**t and politics, while trying to make more money with less effort and even more control over freedom, now even outside the music biz.
And as for "Cougar", is his Dylan story saying it's okay to be a complete sociopathic tosspot if you're marketable?
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is like calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same&quo
John Mellenhead should stick to being a has-been.
March 23, 2009 - 11:13 ET by R D Helm-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Of course, the artist does
March 23, 2009 - 11:19 ET by bretzysdudeOf course, the artist does not want to "sell out to The Man." Left with no real choice except that business model of greed and the bean counting mentality that Reagan propagated and the country embraced, there is only "The Man" to deal with.
So, when he sold out and let "Our Country" be put on Ford truck commercials, it's not his fault, but rather Reagan who rose from his grave and forced him to do this. Gotcha.
I wonder if Johnny realizes
March 23, 2009 - 11:30 ET by Paul Atreidesthat there was a time when records didn't exist. Does he consider the record album, and subsequently the cassette, a distasteful sales scam?
I would love to meet the first person who was forced to buy a CD. I would also love to meet the first person who swore off buying CDs because of the format.
Someone show me where Mellancamp's music has a "no-CD-format" clause in his contracts.
Galvanic
March 23, 2009 - 11:22 ET by GalvanicNothing says IDIOTIC like of a multi-millionaire celebrity who condemns the era that made him/her rich.
Maybe Mellencamp feels a little shame that he's far richer than mentors Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger ever were. But then, his music was more popluar than theirs.
Digitization has radically changed the music industry, but it's always been about The Man. Music industry moguls have always gotten over on their hired talent; Mellencamp started out with the name John Cougar because his publicist or label boss thought it was more marketable. If he didn't give into The Man, why'd he let them change his professional name? Before Reagan, he was whoring for the industry like his contemporaries hoping for a break; he's just happens to be one of the handful of musicians that were able to overcome and make it big.
If Carter and Mondale had continued their legacy, Mellencamp would've been singing about his profits getting eaten up by double-digit inflation.
J. Cougar Mellencamp and those of his intellectual fracture . ..
March 23, 2009 - 11:22 ET by CKA in Red State USA. . .which includes liberals and leftists and the Demockacrats/Dementocrats in Congress as well as the current though likley illegitimate occupant of the White House, live in an alternate reality.
In it, water runs up hill.
And never a day passes that they cannot find out something else about which to whine.
Or a crisis cannot be manufactured to elevate them and depress the rest of us.
And blame on either a dead or living Republican or conservative.
I never knew that the whiners were such perfect, informed people.
But, then, how could I, as a conservative who's actually studied economics, history, etc.? And who's been mostly awake during the decades I've been alive? And who stopped long ago from getting news of any sort from the print and broadcast advocacy media?
You gotta admit it's cute
March 23, 2009 - 11:26 ET by Cranky GordonYou gotta admit it's cute that Reagan is still his bogeyman. I mean Bush bashing is now where it's at. This is kinda nostalgic.
80's rock star?
March 23, 2009 - 11:23 ET by AuH2oSo, John "Cougar" Mellencamp, as he liked to call himself in the 80's, thinks Reagan & big business ruined his career.
Actually, he was able to ruin his own career in spite of Reagan being President and the recording industry.
Hey JCM, remember way back in 1982, when the Who and Jethro Tull where the headline groups to play at Folsom Field in Boulder, on a nice August weekend?
You surly remember being the opening band. Remember playing only 4 songs because you had a cooler thrown at you and where literally booed off the stage.
JCM, you weren't booed off the stage because of Reagan. It was because somethings never change. You sucked!
That sums it up nicely, LOL.
March 23, 2009 - 11:54 ET by BlondeI was going to make a snide comment about this idiot, "not wanting to sell out to The Man"....who used a stage name of Cougar!
But your comment is much better.
That old truth thingy stings, yes?
I hope he fails, too.
As I remember...
March 23, 2009 - 12:07 ET by mizflame98he changed his name quite a few times.
Johnny Cougar
John Cougar
John Cougar-Mellencamp
John Mellencamp
Mellencamp
John Mellencamp (again)
I always thought this dude was a wanna-be Springstein anyway. Kind of like how Cindi Lauper was a wanna-be Madonna or Arsenio Hall was a wanna-be Eddie Murphy.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
You forgot Johnson von
March 23, 2009 - 13:45 ET by SickofLibsYou forgot Johnson von Blowhard III.
I read somewhere that his first stage name was:
March 23, 2009 - 17:37 ET by delmarJohnny a go-go Cougar
I remember in the early 80's
March 23, 2009 - 18:01 ET by general companyThe Indiana State Senate was debating weather to put John Cougar and Mickael Jackson on their License plates or do the wonder Indiana theme. As ungly as those Wonder Indiana plates were, they made the right choice.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
SO TRUE!!!
March 23, 2009 - 19:56 ET by UnsaneYou nailed that one and took me down memory lane!
I remember ol' John Cougar. Back when my older sisters first got acquainted with his music back in my musically formative years in the early 1980s.
I got tons of 80s on my iPod, but I can't bring myself to download any of John Whatever His Name Will Be Tomorrow's stuff. Never did like it. Never did grab my ear.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
To paraphrase Laura Ingram...
March 23, 2009 - 11:26 ET by mizflame98Shut up and Sing, John!
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Holy CRAP, what a pompous ass!!!!
March 23, 2009 - 11:38 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltWhere does one begin to dissect thi load of manure.
First of all, Mr. Cougar (yes, you indeed played the game that you so disdain), who forced you to change your name when you couldn't sell crap in NY because your stuff SUCKED at the time? Lucky you that some filthy, eeeeevil businessman wanted to make some money and had you change your name in a bid to sell your lousy stuff. Yes, your stuff got better, but had it not been for the "filthy" music business and the way it takes nothings and gives them a chance to mature as artists (while paying the bills), you'd have left NY with your tail between your legs and headed back to the farm where you'd still be yankin' on cow udders at four in the morning.
And just who do you think would be there to get the "art" out, were it not for the people who figured out how to make money off this stuff? Or do you believe that we should be all taxed to death so that anyone who calls himself an artist can suck off the rest of us?
And let's go back before Ronald Reagan and ask how the Beach Boys or any other astist from back then made it? They had a product that someone figured out how to sell. Pity us, it isn't up to Bob Dylan standards, huh? Well, not all of us wanna listen to him whining about whatever social cause he sees as unjust. Some of us just want to be entertained, not enlightened by music.
YOU POMPOUS ASS!!!
And another thing you simpering twit...if the music business is so evil because it's based around making money, why don't you and some of your too-rich-for-your-own-good navel gazing, no talent spoiled Hollyweird whiners get together and create a record label with your own money? Yes, what a great idea! You can promote artists and give them contracts even if no one wants to listen to their crap! Oh, wait, that wouldn't work, because the logic of the marketplace would sooner or later bankrupt the company without some other idiots constantly feeding more and more money into it, with little to no financial returns.
Of course, we can't expect that YOU would invest YOUR money into it...my guess is that you would expect the American taxpayer to foot the bill, you stoooopid skidmark.
Somone is already doing that, and has for years.
March 23, 2009 - 18:10 ET by general companyYou can promote artists and give them contracts even if no one wants to listen to their crap!
GD used to do this good work anonymously, but they were found out many years later. The Rex foundation.
Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I can go into a whole
March 23, 2009 - 11:52 ET by Scuba DudeI can go into a whole diatribe about the music industry, especially radio. Suffice it to say I do not listen to the radio all that much. Classic rock stations play the same songs that I have been listening to since the mid 70's when I became aware of music beyond the AM stations. (I lived in Long Island by the way). And there are few if any stations that will play rock music by new artists. I have turned to the Internet and word of mouth to find artist's and music that I like. Bands like Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Ayreon, Dropkick Murphy's and Joe Satriani are not played on any radio station I know of in New York, instead the local stations play the same lame stuff over and over and over again.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
I'm the guy in the Dream Theater t-shirt (I mean that)
March 23, 2009 - 13:45 ET by Unsane...and they will NEVER play Dream Theater on the radio. Why?
Listening public in a whiny voice: "They're too technical! They're songs are too long..."
The suits in the stations and elsewhere in very official voices: "Ah, well, you see, Dream Theater does not fit the demographic very well and their sales are only X% of our total revenue..."
"(Dream Theater is) the biggest band you've never heard of." - Mike Portnoy, drummer, Dream Theater
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
XM Radio
March 23, 2009 - 18:12 ET by general companyThey play it all
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
BEYOND AM, BEYOND FM, XM SATELLITE RADIO...
March 23, 2009 - 22:55 ET by danybhoygeneral company,
Nice to see another XM sub here, I've had XM before Sirius was available, & with the exception of polka, they do have everything you could want to listen to. As for polka, since I live in Minnesota, there are still a few family owned stations just outside the TwinCities that will play polkas for an hour or two on the weekend. We do have many here with German roots, so that might explain that.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
"Sound quality was supposed
March 23, 2009 - 11:49 ET by lotr"Sound quality was supposed to be one of the big selling points for CDs but, as we know, it wasn't very good at all."
That's senility setting in. Poor John Cougar. CDs were a quantum leap in sound quality, and to this day are still the best in terms of this (iPods employ lossy compression and thus have degraded sound quality).
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
fluff
March 23, 2009 - 11:48 ET by jazzact13-- Consider how enriched all of our lives are made by songs from "Like A Rolling Stone," a masterpiece, to "The Monster Mash," a trifle by comparison.--
So, is he saying that before Reagan there was no fluffy pop music?
What has the deep social commentary hidden in "Splish-Splash I was taking a bath"?
Or what meanings can we deconstruct from "I found my thrills on Blueberry Hill"?
Or maybe I should just mention the word "disco" to show how such a position is untenable.
"Thoroughly worldly people never understand even the world; they rely altogether on a few cynical maxims which are not true."
Chesterton, Orthodoxy
I was always fond of such songs as
March 23, 2009 - 15:20 ET by ahusser'Ahab the Arab', 'Does Your Chewing Gum lose its flavor (on the bedpost overnight', 'They're Coming to Take me away (Ha Ha)' etc.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Hey now. Ahab is funny as
March 24, 2009 - 09:49 ET by TexasteacherHey now. Ahab is funny as hell.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
→ Teacher Teacher
March 24, 2009 - 09:58 ET by Cool ArrowBut for imaginative writing, I like Dylan.
Einstein, disguised as robin hood
With his memories in a trunk
Passed this way an hour ago
With his friend, a jealous monk
He looked so immaculately frightful
As he bummed a cigarette
Then he went off sniffing drainpipes
And reciting the alphabet
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
It wasn't President Reagan
March 23, 2009 - 11:51 ET by ConservativeRexIt wasn't President Reagan who harmed your music dumbo. You just sound like someone who hasn't had a hit since the 80's. The 80's, remember them? That's when President Reagan was President, maybe that's why you think he had something to do with it.
Meanwhile, no one remembers you, no one cares what you have to whine about, you make even less sense now than you did then. But by all means keep writing for the HuffPos, your credibility is shot anyway. And it'll keep you off the stage.
Eh... his heart's in the right place
March 23, 2009 - 11:54 ET byHe does a lot of good work for charity, Farm Aid and such. Ol' Johnny's definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed, though.
I do get tired of the constant "shut up and sing" refrain. Celebs have as much right to voice their stupid opinions as the rest of us, the only difference is that when they do, somebody shoves a microphone in their face, so we all end up hearing it. If the simple fact that they're celebs disqualifies them to speak out on politics, then how about someone tells Ted Nugent to "shut up and sing".
Yes, BUT:
March 23, 2009 - 20:03 ET by UnsaneYes, but:
1) We, the public, reserve the right to slam the artists for their stupid comments, whether or not you are sick of them. Tough s---.
2) You'd think that the artists would know better than to spew political opinions anyways in the name of a sound business decision. What is the sense of potentially alienating up to half your potential audience?
3) Isn't it interesting how the media treats these artists, musicians and actors as if their station in life somehow gives them greater moral authority or weight in the argument just because of their station in life? It's fascinating, because at the end of the day, their opinion is not any better or worse than mine.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I do get tired of the
March 24, 2009 - 09:55 ET by bretzysdudeI do get tired of the constant "shut up and sing" refrain.
Well, with you, we just say "shut up"
LOL Good thing!!!
March 24, 2009 - 11:57 ET byBecause I sure as hell can't sing!!!
She said that Bob Dylan was
March 23, 2009 - 11:54 ET by Dan The Man 2She said that Bob Dylan was not put on this earth to participate in cocktail chatter with strangers
Dylan was a strange bird, but Melloncamp is stranger still. I seem to remember Dylan saying he was in it for the money and he wrote songs to sell. Mellonhead is a few quarters shy of a dollar and he needs to shut up and sing. I guess he needs to feel relevant.
To believe that a band has to make money to get their message out is ludicrous. Remember Devo in the 80's, they were not in it to be famous or make money but just trying to make a statement. It resonated with pop culture and they were instant MTV stars. Of course MTV made a lot of stupid bands overnight sensations.
As always throughout time the world revolves around money, always has always will. Even the hippies of the 60's learned this lesson and became yuppies, and some became teachers.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Devo
March 23, 2009 - 15:45 ET by NorthCoasterTake a look at the credits for the Rugrats cartoon and you'll see Mark Mothersbaugh listed. He is definitely a creative individual and guess what? I don't have a clue what his politics are.
Mr. Cougar:
March 23, 2009 - 11:58 ET by lotrForget all about that liberal shit, and learn how to play guitar.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
I think that one had some wings.
March 23, 2009 - 16:34 ET by JWFKeeeRACK! Oughta the park!
Before there was BDS there
March 23, 2009 - 11:58 ET by eaglewingz08Before there was BDS there was RDS very virulent strain that Melonhead the washed up singer is taking asinine swipes at. I'm quite sure that Mr. Melonhead when he got Reagan's trickle down tax breaks, did not call Treasury and say, there is some mistake, I've been given back too much money as a result of these horrific lower tax rates. Please Treasury Chief find a check for not only the difference but ten percent more, cause I'm a patriotic American, and government can never have too much of my money.
It's sad that the only way Melonhead finds to be relevant is a stupid attempt to trash Pres. Reagan. He doesn't even understand the genesis of the present financial crisis, so as Dan Quayle stated, what a waste it is for John to lose his mind. But maybe he'll get a couple of invites from the libtard intelligentsia. They love artists who beat up on republicans. It would probably beat those meals at the Senior Center he's been living on.
So where does this place you Johno?
March 23, 2009 - 12:00 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"it percolates up from the artists, from word of mouth, from the streets and rises up to the general populace"
According to you, musicians (artists) are some form of low-life subterrainian scum. While I admit, there are some of you that do seem to dwell in the bowels of society there are plenty of others (no, not you!) that do produce some qualitymusic/entertainment.
I see "percolates up" and think of the ole overloaded septic system in need of a call to the Honeydipper.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain
Did the Cougar donate...
March 23, 2009 - 12:02 ET by HillbillyKingall the cash he made from those damn Chevy commercials to those strugglin singers?
I didn't think so.
The Cougar is a joke, a hypocrite, and his music sucks. I change the station anytime any of his songs come on.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
I can't stand his "music"!
March 23, 2009 - 18:02 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"The Cougar is a joke, a hypocrite, and his music sucks. I change the station anytime any of his songs come on."
Same here. I especially abhor that insipid "Small Town" song...ugh! I remember him having a hissy fit some years ago when people suggested he was a poor man's Springsteen. I guess the truth hurt a bit for him.
Save me...save me from tomorrow. I don't want to sail with this ship of fools.
~World Party
→ Cougar
March 23, 2009 - 18:06 ET by Cool ArrowAnd isn't "I Want You To Dance Naked" just the most intellectual and melodic thing you ever heard?
Of course "Jena - Take Your Nooses Down" has got to be everyone's all-time fav.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Isn't his full name John
March 23, 2009 - 12:07 ET by Jack BauerIsn't his full name John Cougaga Mellancamp?
Cougaga? LOL.
March 23, 2009 - 21:52 ET by thebutlerdiditThat's funny.
How have you been, Jack? How's the writing going?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
want us to buy an entire album
March 23, 2009 - 12:14 ET by katainkentmake an entire album worth listening to.
For the record
March 23, 2009 - 12:12 ET by SeashellI always thought John Mellencamp was over-rated.
oh no he di-n-t
March 23, 2009 - 12:22 ET by AJBIts BUSH's fault, you moron!
It's Reagan's Fault
March 23, 2009 - 12:40 ET by NoMoreChangeCry me a river John
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/16905/
Get back to me when a welfare recipient starts buying CD's as we build the economy from the bottom up.
Loser written all over him
March 23, 2009 - 12:58 ET by doug1950This ironically is the same old song that all losers and has beens sing once they have an epiphany and realize no one misses them nor cares what they think. They always blame someone else for their demise, never once stopping to think that well, just maybe they suck at their profession. They are just yesterday's old news and something newer has come along to catch the fleeting imagination and attention of the fickle crowd they refer to as "society". Mellencamp had a fairly long run for someone of his calebre of music and talent. He should consider himself lucky the he got any attention at all. He, like Madonna, has tried t reinvent himself numerous times and each time, like Madonna, has gotten more weird and less important. I hope he saved some of his money. It is the same tired excuse Hollywood stars and musicians who long for the good old days and have not learned what many other did. Ride the train just as long as you can but when your ticket is up, get the hell off the train and stop your bitchin. No one cares! You had your glory days just retire and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Instead they all hook onto being "politically liberal" to try to catch some new interest, but come off looking desparate and even creepy kind of weird. He had few good songs but far more were not even worth honorable mention. He wants to talk about greed. I am sure he was a willing participant when they packaged his albums with one or two decent songs and rest were CRAP and sold them to the public. He got paid, now just sit down and Shut the Hell up. WE don't CARE!
doug...You summed it up...
March 23, 2009 - 13:27 ET by PrairieSkyperfectly...
"I am sure he was a willing participant when they packaged his albums with one or two decent songs and rest were CRAP and sold them to the public. He got paid, now just sit down and Shut the Hell up. WE don't CARE!"
Remember Laura Ingraham's book from a couple of years back, "Shut up and sing!" ? She expressed the same sentiment...These "stars" get addicted to the adoration of their fans, and when they realize that the fans have moved on to the next "flavor of the month," they often do or say something, usually stupid, to try to grab back some of that attention.
Pathetic...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
I have my doubts that Mellencamp actually wrote...
March 23, 2009 - 13:30 ET by PrairieSkythis diatribe...I've heard Mellencamp speak, and he isn't the most eloquent person in the world...While full of crap, Mellencamp's posting is fairly articulate, but it doesn't sound like it came from him...Maybe someone wrote it for him...Who knows?
His absurd attack on President Reagan aside, I wonder what Mellencamp's thoughts are about Tipper Gore and her crusade against the marketing of obscene music to kids during the '80's... In the music industry, that went over like a lead balloon at the time, and most "artists" were screaming about it and how it would crush an "artist's creativity." Where was Mellencamp then? He's a hypocrite with a short, convenient memory, like most on the left...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
PS
March 23, 2009 - 14:57 ET by doug1950An outstanding point about The Tipper going after rock music. I had completely forgotten about that fiasco and the backlash. Hell, there have been so many over the years, not surprised I forgot only one. lol
Hey Sky... Like doug
March 23, 2009 - 15:06 ET by bigtimerHey Sky...
Like doug said, excellent point indeed, I had forgot all about Tipper and her excursion into music marketing myself.
Hypocrite indeed!
bt and doug...'Ol Tipper...
March 23, 2009 - 16:07 ET by PrairieSkyjust popped into my head as soon as I read this...Of course, I'm sure that this has never crossed Mellencamp's delusional mind... Being married to Algore, the vaunted global warming guru, Tipper is, of course, untouchable...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
PMRC
March 23, 2009 - 16:29 ET by jac_at_nacLOL...I remember when they had the stupid committee meetings.
Dee Snider showed up and they (committee members) thought they had seen satan. It was pretty funny.
I'm an "Evil White Devil"!
jac_at_nac...Me too!
March 23, 2009 - 17:03 ET by PrairieSkyI remember those too...They actually ran some coverage of them on C-SPAN, I think... It was "Must see TV!!" LOL!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
Here ya go. It's an
March 23, 2009 - 18:15 ET by RESTLESS 1Here ya go. It's an interview. Still looking for a complete video of the hearing.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT...
March 23, 2009 - 23:03 ET by danybhoyI was channel surfing & came across something on VH1-Classic called "Heavy-The story of Metal". They show exactly what you are talking about. Dee Snyder VS. Al & Tipper Gore. Funny stuff, Dee in a cut off T-shirt & jeans so tight you could tell what religion he was, & he held his own against these idiots.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
I'm sure he was opposed to
March 23, 2009 - 18:08 ET by balboaI'm sure he was opposed to the PMRC. But there weren't nearly the opportunities to "be heard" then as there are now.
Besides, Dee Snider was doing the heavy lifting for the music industry, wasn't he? :-)
Bal, you're a good liberal
March 23, 2009 - 18:39 ET by RESTLESS 1Perhaps you can explain why the "censor" tag only goes one way. I mean, tipper, algore, rockefeller, et al... ain't exactly republicans now, are they?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I've always found the term
March 23, 2009 - 13:22 ET by fitzfongI've always found the term "sell out", when used by pseudo-rock stars like John Mellencamp, a bit odd. As if somehow producing music that nobody wants to listen to and promoting it through word-of-mouth is somehow virtuous. One of the great benefits of capitalism is that rubbish music like Mellencamp and Springsteen's can develop a huge following to make them wealthy beyond their expectations. Perhaps he should try "trickling down" some of his own money to some of these "starving musicians" if he actually believes that they're any good...instead of suggesting that the taxpayer (who has no use for what they have to sell) underwrite these projects. If he's right, he stands to make a lot of money. So, come on, Mr. Cougar, put your money where your mouth is.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
#1 Rule of Rock Club:
March 23, 2009 - 13:47 ET by SickofLibsNever trust a 'rocker' who ONLY plays acoustic guitars.
Where's Ted Nugent?
March 23, 2009 - 14:24 ET by BlondeWhen you need him?
Ted would mince this idjit.
Kill it & grill it.
I hope he fails, too.
Ayn Rand Rocks!!!
March 23, 2009 - 14:28 ET by Gothampc"When that observation about Dylan's behavior and disposition were
mentioned to Nora, the response was very profound. She said that Bob
Dylan was not put on this earth to participate in cocktail chatter with
strangers."
I am currently reading "Atlas Shrugged". Last night I read the part where Lillian Rearden has a cocktail party and the "intellectuals" in attendance are all saying nasty things about the industrious while eating canapes off the silver trays provided by the industrious Hank Rearden.
Ayn Rand knew what she was writing about and comments like this prove it.
Hi Goth...I've got that
March 23, 2009 - 14:32 ET by bigtimerHi Goth...
I've got that book ordered, suppose to be shipped tomorrow.
Can't wait to read it...I always meant to, just never got around to it.
Atlas Shrugged
March 23, 2009 - 15:15 ET by GothampcI was always a bit intimidated by the book because I thought it would be over my head. Then I finally just thought, "I'm going to begin it and see how it goes." Well I'm loving this book. Ayn Rand has the liberals number and I see the times we are living in written all over this book. She really knew what she was writing.
Atlas Shrugged
March 23, 2009 - 20:09 ET by Unsanebigtimer, that book friggin RULES. You are going to love it...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane/Scuba
March 23, 2009 - 20:24 ET by bigtimerHey Uns...
Thanks for the heads up on how you liked it...
What say you Scuba...did you feel the same...is it a page turner type, that you just can't put down, and don't want the end to come because you love it so much?
Know what I mean here?
Either way...it is on the way...and I am looking forward to being able to find some time to read it.
BT
March 23, 2009 - 22:15 ET by thebutlerdiditIt has been a lot of years since I read Atlas, but I have been meaning to get it again. Recently I was reading on a blog where people were discussing Atlas, and they were talking about how it was hard for them to get into. I personally don't remember it being that difficult, but stay with it, if that's the case, it's worth it.
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Hey
March 23, 2009 - 22:25 ET by bigtimerHey tbdi...
Howdy...howdy...been wondering where you have been... have been keeping my fingers crossed for you and your hubby and your livelyhood...wishing for the best for you both.
Anyway....thank you for the tip...I mean that....and know what you mean too.
Goth, I just finished
March 23, 2009 - 14:38 ET by Scuba DudeGoth,
I just finished reading the book for the first time last week. All the while I was noticing similarities between the book and events happening today.
I would love to "Go Galt" and hide out in a valley until this cr@p blows over.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
lol
March 23, 2009 - 14:39 ET by RagamuffinIt's sad when a site about mainstream liberal media bias has to go to a left wing website to prove it's point.
Rag
March 23, 2009 - 15:53 ET by NorthCoasterThat's where the material is. Would you expect someone to go to a Conservative site to find information to discuss? The object is to find Liberal blindness and expose it.
No it isn't. Please read
March 23, 2009 - 19:37 ET by RagamuffinNo it isn't. Please read the "about" link at the top of the page:
". . . the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias."
Time for Branson, Mr. Mellencamp
March 23, 2009 - 15:39 ET by Chris NormanIn the age when good looks are a prerequisite for success in any entertainment career (even sports), of course a singer "approaching sixty" is going to be bitter - he just conveniently blames it on a safe target like - Ronald Reagan? Man, John, you are showing your age. All the cool new guys are blaming everything on Bush and Cheney.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
I blame bands who suck for
March 23, 2009 - 16:02 ET by StewMcKinI blame bands who suck for ruining the music biz, as well as publications like Rolling Stone who insist on putting 70s and 80s acts on the cover week after week, while ignoring any and all new bands.
Reagan isn't responsible for either.
Life Is A Rock
March 23, 2009 - 16:22 ET by david999Reunion - Life Is A Rock (But The Radio Rolled Me)
video
http://www.youtube.c...
Lyrics
http://lyricsplaygro...
Mellencamp Disses Reagan...fifteenth verse, same as the first
March 23, 2009 - 16:26 ET by INRadioGuyFirst let me say I loved JCM's stuff up to around 1993-94 and the Dance Naked album. First concert I went to "officially" was the Scarecrow tour, one of the first cassettes I remember getting from my parents at Christmas was "Uh-huh" and I proceeded to seek out his back catalog.
By the sounds of things, this post has combined two of his favorite things to complain about: The record business and Reagan. Going back to his 1980 album Nothin' Matters and What If It Did he had a song called "Cheap Shot" that took the record companies to task for price fixing and the mergers that were starting around that time. (It also went after Rolling Stone magazine for selling out.) Kind of a gutsy move at the time since his albums weren't really selling and his big claim to fame at that point was Pat Benatar having a minor hit with one of his songs.
Come 1982, he's a big pop star in his own right and, after Pink Houses is a hit, feels he can start injecting messages into his music. That brings us to the Scarecrow album. If there was any doubt that he had been a Carter/Mondale Democrat it was erased when promoting the album. The songs, while carrying a message, were general in casting blame for the failure of so many family farms. In concert introducing them, he went after Reagan. Nevermind the Ag, trade and foriegn policies of the Carter Administration setting things in motion. That album being a hit, he was free to be more pointed on the next two albums, including the line "Thank God he went back to California" in the song Country Gentleman.
The impression I always got from him was he exceeded any level of success he thought he would have...and now has a degree of guilt about it. Especially in that Uh-huh/Scarecrow period. It was one thing to move back to Indiana from LA when you're topping out at #43 on the charts. When you're back home, the new album has gone to #1 and the bass player from your first band is still pumping gas, at least until those self serv pump go in, you might have more than a twinge. Can't help things when you sing about how you "Married an LA girl/Brought her to this small town," and then dump her for the hot New York model you hooked up with on a video shoot.
When it comes to Mellencamp, I have to just ignore to the politics and accept that he's a Bloomington-area liberal and will never change. I just hope somewhere along the line he appreciates the irony that he once wrote a line that said "Hypocrite used to be such a big word to you/And it don't seem to mean anything to you now." I doubt he will.
Very nice synopsis sir.
March 23, 2009 - 16:39 ET by JWFI have all of his early albums too. And stopped around the same time.
I think someone had you in mind when they wrote this article.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
RadioGuy
March 23, 2009 - 16:55 ET by doug1950In other words, its sounds like Mellencamp is experiencing "Karma". He more or less sowed the seeds to the field he now finds himself standing in. How many good sitcoms or tv shows on television have been literally ruined because the writers, creators or the stars themselves while enjoying the rise to the top got the impression viewers gave a big RA about their politics and decided to inject poltical discourse and agenda into their shows and music. I think John may have been a least a little out of the step /sync even with the music of his time. Protest songs kind of went out of vogue during the Vietnam era. Face it, its still just bitchin with music in the background. Many artists have learned the hard lesson of poking the tiger a few too many times and then whine when they get the s**t clawed out of them. I do not remember him going after Rolling Stones, and do not doubt it for a minute, but he should not be too surprised if they did everything they could to bury him if by nothing but ignoring him. He like so many hasn't broken the code yet, that if you piss off half the people who might buy your product, you are an Idiot. Dixie Chicks learned this too but still insist they are right. They might be, but they got flushed overnight and have never recovered.
As they say in da hood, "Ya brung this s**t on yersef."
SEPERATION OF MUSIC & POLITICS...
March 23, 2009 - 23:14 ET by danybhoyI attended 2 concerts last year, Rush on May 22 in St.Paul & Iron Maiden in Chicago on June 11. Both bands do sing about things that most bands don't, & could get political in a couple of different ways. To the credit of both Geddy Lee & Bruce Dickinson, they did'nt. They could have shot their mouths off about Bush & war in an off the cuff manner on the leadup to our election. Did'nt hear anything political, maybe it's because they are from Canada & England, or maybe they understand that they don't feel the need to piss off a large section of their fanbase. Whatever the reason, I respect that.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"
Wow, so, trickle down
March 23, 2009 - 18:25 ET by ckc1227Wow, so, trickle down economics doesn't work, and cd sound quality isn't very good, Cougar-boy? How insightful. Next you'll be telling us it's impossible for musicians to make a lot of money, lol.
Hey John... Just sing and
March 23, 2009 - 22:51 ET by Clear thinkerHey John...
Just sing and then shut-up!
American Solutions II
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
To me he is one of the
March 24, 2009 - 00:21 ET by RR GOPTo me he is one of the worst, most boring song and dance men ever.
Thank God I found other musicians to listen to when the RIAA's payola was getting him and other non-talents all over the radio and MTV.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
John Millioncamp
March 24, 2009 - 00:53 ET by GrisleyBearSince attending one of his concerts on December 31, 1999 in Indianapolis, my friends and I just call him Johnny Cougar "Millioncamp" . . . I would appreciate his success much more if it weren't for the nonsense such as appeared in the Hufferpost. Where does one even start in addressing this whining nonsense? I will not bother.
Moneycamp
March 24, 2009 - 01:52 ET by chaosmongerJohn Mellencamp has raked it in for years and never had a problem out in the open about the corporate nature of music and how bad it is. He seems to be more upset that the times have passed him by and his type of pop rock doesn't click anymore with the information age crowd.
The type of music I listen to is not an easy money maker and the bands generally like the internet to get their music out there for they really only make a living off of live shows and t-shirt sales. Guns N Roses once said that after everyone gets their "cut" the band only makes about 6% off of every album sale.
If Mellencamp was all about the music and the purity of the whole artistic element...the next time he goes on tour, check to see if he takes on an obscure, unknown punk band as an opening act who have the "artistic" vibe or will he take on a band that has commercial value that will help generate more ticket sales for his shows?
Sorry John, it wasn't Reagan. It was MTV
March 24, 2009 - 08:09 ET by JohnMcGrewWhen I was growing up, we used to actually listen to music, and allowed it to form the images within our mind. But then MTV happened, and the following generation never got the chance to experience music the same way again. The image was already provided, and the mind no longer had that work to do.
All of a sudden, the physical image and/or the dance moves became far more important than the quality of the music produced. I can think of dozens of artists from my youth that would never have had a chance after the mid-'80s simple because they didn't have decent dance moves, looks, or acceptable cleavage.
Of course, the industry denied this until the issue was finally put to rest in the aftermath of the 1990 Grammy awarts, where top honors were given to a pair of talent-less dancing fools who weren't even artists. Shortly after that, there was no reason to pretend anymore. Pop music was dead, paving the way for the rise of non-music like rap and other derivatives.
BLAME IT ON THE RAIN...
March 24, 2009 - 11:36 ET by danybhoyJohn McGrew,
I think there is more then a bit of truth to your Mtv arguement. Of course, you are refering to Milli Vanilli, & I don't know whether to say this, but I have actually seen them "live", so to speak. A couple of freinds of mine were going to get tickets to something called "Club Mtv", hosted by "Downtown" Julie Brown...wubba wubba wubba. It was a cheap night out, outdoors on a summer night back when I was in high school. Tickets were like $5, w/ Was(not Was), MilliVanilli, Information Society, & Ton Loc headlined. That could be the "Where are they now tour?" today. BTW, the "Behind The Music" featuring Milli Vanilli was one of the best of the bunch.
But it DID became about image, sort of like the old Canon camera ads, where Andre Aggasi's tagline is "Image, is Everything". Funny thing is when the sorts of Mtv type groups try to go on tour, they can't sell out anywhere they are booked. Then groups like Metallica or Maiden go on tour & play to full houses everywhere they plug in, without the benefit of much airplay. The funny thing is that the music media can't figure that out, just like the MSM. As for those spending hard earned ca$h to see a gig, it's about the music, & having the talent to write & perform your own material, while putting on a kick@$$ show.
"The Fairness Doctrine = Jim Crow laws for Conservatives". Jim Quinn from "Quinn & Rose"