The Oscar folks selected Bill Maher to hand out the Best Documentary awards on ABC on Sunday night (his old TV home before he mocked our "cowardly" pilots six days after 9/11), and he was quick to note his film "Religulous" was not among the nominated. He suggested it wasn't because he made a junky film, but because the topic was too controversial:
"Now as a producer and a star of my own documentary this year, the one about religion that didn't get nominated. I know, it's a touchy subject. But someday, we all have to confront the notion that our silly gods cost the world too greatly. But there I go, ruining the ending."
But if the topic was too controversial to be even nominated, let alone win, why was Maher allowed to come out and spew his atheism on ABC?
Perhaps Maher should have pondered that he might be the opposite of Sally Field. It's not about God. It's about you. They don't like you. They really, really don't like you.
Maher tried not to sound bitter as he hailed documentarians as our "windows on the world" (cliche alert) and claimed "They give us the truth." That is a very broad brush, like saying every comedy movie is funny.
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Who cares
February 23, 2009 - 07:45 ET by richb313Who cares what Bill Maher thinks about anything. He thinks he is smarter than over 98% of the people on the planet. Atheism is only the latest religion dejour. Yes Atheism is a religion. It has a belief system with no proof. It requires that you take thier tenants as fact with no evidence. It demeans any other belief system. It's dogma incudes there is no salvation, there is no right and wrong only situational ethics to name a few. It is really the the belief system of the lazy supposed intelligent types. It requires nothing and gives nothing in return. What a system.
It is complete lack of
February 23, 2009 - 09:25 ET by NCguyIt is complete lack of evidence that is thier cornerstone. It requires no faith. Salvation is a myth. Religious belifs are lazy and in fact lack intelligence.
~Lazy and in fact lack intelligence
February 23, 2009 - 09:29 ET by choselife3xNCguy has stumbled upon an important breakthrough in his self-awareness. Please give him a moment to absorb the impact of this life-altering event.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
and they say all you guys
February 24, 2009 - 08:20 ET by NCguyand they say all you guys are not all alike. Keep living the stereotype douchebags. It's gives the rest of us hope that you'll never return to a majority seating in congress nor the White House. 2010 is going to suck for you. In fact one more electin cycle should knock the rest of your extremist a-hole out of there seats. Then maybe the real republicans can take our party back.
~"They say"
February 24, 2009 - 08:35 ET by choselife3xWhile we're quoting "they"....."they" say NCguy doesn't know his @ss from his elbow and couldn't find his way out of a wet paper sack with a map and a ten minute head start.
"They" also say that NCguy is undoubtedly the dumbest and most yawn-inducing troll ever to flaunt his stupidity on this site.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Good morning F*tard. I'm
February 24, 2009 - 08:57 ET by NCguyGood morning F*tard. I'm so "yawn-inducing" you excitedly rolled out of your couch/bed, stumbled across the trailer and turned on your computer, just to see what I had said while you were asleep. Don't be late for your shift at the sh!tpacking factory.
~I see I got under your skin
February 24, 2009 - 09:18 ET by choselife3xGRIN
Thanks for letting me know what you sleep on, live in, and what you do for a living.
Hope you get good bennies working in a place like that.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Your spelling skills
February 23, 2009 - 09:34 ET by KevroyYour spelling skills demonstrate a lack of intelligence. Atheism is lazy, just as you must have been in elementary school. You don't even know what salvation is. You are a disturbed child who thinks he is being cute by lobbing bombs rather than participating in the conversation. Grow up.
no, my spelling skill
February 23, 2009 - 10:09 ET by NCguyno, my spelling skill demonstrate my presence of dyslexia.
I'd love to hear your reasoning that Atheism is lazy. I'm also curious to hear you back up the notion that I don't even know what salvation is.
Whaaa...?
February 23, 2009 - 10:12 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou be not knowin' how da spell? Say it ain't true!
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Sarge, lay off, he got one
February 23, 2009 - 10:27 ET by SickofLibsSarge, lay off, he got one of them dysabilites.
But note the cap A on Atheism and the lower case c on christians.
Always an exuse with you libtrolls
February 23, 2009 - 12:33 ET by BlondeThey have this great new thingy....called "Spell Check".
Try it....or are you just lazy? Because, you know, your lack of effort in that regard just proves that you're lazy.
Too bad Cool Arrow's not here this a.m. So I'll just stand in for him here....LYDSEXIS UNTIE!
Wow NC sure has a.........
February 23, 2009 - 12:45 ET by BEGRUNTwhole "deck" of "cards" to play huh? Hmmmm....first the race card......now the I got disabilities card.....whats next dude???
"Blago got in touch with his inner dirt bag"
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Yep...next card to be played
February 23, 2009 - 12:55 ET by BlondeIs the Cut & Run card, also known as "crickets chirping".
So predictable.
Well he has just about worn out his "welcome" card,
February 24, 2009 - 06:58 ET by thebutlerdiditand he plays the "dumba$$" card, daily, so who knows what kind of victim status he will claim?
All a Democrat needs is the upper-story window of public attention and the chamber pot of rhetoric. How else to explain the rise of Joe Biden? P.J. O' Rourke
Why do you care?
February 23, 2009 - 09:54 ET by garyganuWhy do you care NCguy? Are you in denial? Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
Ahh, it must be very freeing
February 23, 2009 - 09:54 ET by SickofLibsAhh, it must be very freeing to meander through life with the knowledge that you are basically the same as a shrub, a clam or a squirrel.
consequences
February 23, 2009 - 09:54 ET by AJBWith no God, there is no devil -- ergo, there is no wrong. Do what you want when you want to whomever you want. That becomes situational ethics which is a corrupt, immoral lifestyle.
When your penis is your god, then you have no soul.
I forgot about him and his movie
February 23, 2009 - 10:05 ET by PamI forgot about him and his movie..I really did until I saw this post. richb313, I saw a good post at Ace's yesterday about atheism. Here is the money quote:
from the chorus
February 23, 2009 - 13:14 ET by AJBwhen your penis is your god, you have no soul.
I would disagree that
February 23, 2009 - 10:23 ET by JasonCI would disagree that atheism - and let's not make the mistake of assuming that that it's a monolithic, homogenized system of thought - promotes the idea that there is no right and wrong. Atheists can be ethical and even moral; I know of no rule that claims one must be a Nietzschean nihilist in order to reject the idea of creative omnipotence. Atheism simply rejects the ideas that:
1. Said morals and ethics must be grounded in a single, often-contradictory text for which we have no realistic basis to accept as legitimate.
2. Said morals and ethics must be strengthened by participating in various rituals and be allowed to shape personal beliefs/behaviors.
Yes, atheism requires a system of absolutist thought just like very other religion; so how is it inherently inferior?
It is extremely condescending to suggest that it asks nothing and gives nothing in return. Not everyone who fails to feel fulfilled by your preferred enchantments is necessarily dead inside.
1. Said morals and ethics
February 23, 2009 - 10:37 ET by dvdaughtry1. Said morals and ethics must be grounded in a single, often-contradictory text for which we have no realistic basis to accept as legitimate.
That does not describe the Bible in any way. First find your contradiciton(s) and second argue against the historical accuracy of the "Text".
2. Said morals and ethics must be strengthened by participating in various rituals and be allowed to shape personal beliefs/behaviors.
Again, that does not describe Christianity. Christianity is not about "must do", but "chose to".
You can believe what you want. Kudos for conceding that Atheims is, in fact, religous. However, if you are going to argue against something, at least have the courtesy to know what the other side does/does not do.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
You might do well to notice
February 23, 2009 - 10:46 ET by JasonCYou might do well to notice that I didn't say "The Bible" and I didn't say "Christianity." Since there are hundreds of versions of each of the major religions, my comments are an extremely general summation of what most agnostics and atheists dislike about organized religion. And if a person raised by church-going parents perceives contradiction and perceives that his/her church requires participation in certain rituals and beliefs in order to belong, and said person doesn't believe that that is the way to true spirituality, then that person is surely justified in rejecting it.
As to my two points, since you immediately assumed I was harping on Christianity; first, there are many, many possible readings of The Bible - and any other text for that matter. Some people, biblical scholars included, believe it can be contradictory; which is fine, really, since it was written by so many different people at different times. As to #2, just last week on BOR, Laura Ingraham was using the Pope's recent remarks in order to condemn what she charmingly calls Cafeteria Catholicism. And indeed, there are many who believe that a person cannot call oneself a member of a particular religion unless they subscribe unerringly to every single point of dogma and scripture.
As to my two points, since
February 23, 2009 - 11:03 ET by dvdaughtryAs to my two points, since you immediately assumed I was harping on Christianity
Don't insult my intellegence. You used the vagueness (which was noticed, you are pretty clever!) to hide.The thread is Atheism vs Christianity.
first, there are many, many possible readings of The Bible - and any other text for that matter. Some people, biblical scholars included, believe it can be contradictory
Love to see them, and know the scholars who believe that. Stop making claims and give some support.
And indeed, there are many who believe that a person cannot call oneself a member of a particular religion unless they subscribe unerringly to every single point of dogma and scripture
What are you, in the AP? Some, many, blah. Give some specifics and stop being vague. Again, since we are talking about Christianity, this does not describe it. The New Testament is clear that no one can keep the whole law, thus the sacrifice of Jesus.
It's hard to debate when you don't have a clue about the other side. Study up, and get back to us.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Don't insult my
February 23, 2009 - 11:22 ET by JasonCDon't insult my intellegence. You used the vagueness (which was
noticed, you are pretty clever!) to hide.The thread is Atheism vs
Christianity.
I wouldn't dare insult your intelligence. But you are mistaken. The article under discussion is maher's movie, which does not single out Christianity (I think; I haven't seen it). And the post to which I initially replies does not mention Christianity; it is a critique of atheism, and that is the critique to which I responded.
Love to see them, and know the scholars who believe that. Stop making claims and give some support.
Just the first example that comes to mind: "as to the legitimacy of its claims to be
of serious ancient authenticity, there can be little doubt in
terms of modern Bible scholarship, evaluation of documents preserved,
and the historical record of those documents' origins, that the
Bible is clearly the work of ancient writers. As such, it clearly
gives us a window into the thoughts of ancient peoples from who
much of modern ethical thinking has developed. Thus the Bible, and whatever insights and wisdom can be
found in it, must incontrovertibly be accepted as a great gift
to the modern world. Yet that, alone, does not make it the infallible,
inerrant Word of God -- a claim that would have to be evaluated
separately on its merits." - Davis D. Danizier, Bibilical Perspectives and Christian Contradictions
In other words, the Bible can be viewed as a collection of insightful and important allegories on morality and human nature. But to assume that one's preferred version of the Bible is infallibly correct is arrogant and should be approached with thought and questioning, not absolutism.
What are you, in the AP? Some, many, blah. Give some specifics and stop
being vague. Again, since we are talking about Christianity, this does
not describe it. The New Testament is clear that no one can keep the
whole law, thus the sacrifice of Jesus. It's hard to debate when you don't have a clue about the other side. Study up, and get back to us.
You're awfully condescending. I've been respectful thus far and have responded to your posts and refrained from trolling. Don't patronize me, and don't assume you know a damn thing about my background.
You could start with NBs boards. They are awash in claims that, for instance, one cannot be a Christian while being pro-choice or believing gay marriage is legitimate; or, God forbid, actually being gay. Laura Ingraham was on BOR just last week referring to this as Cafeteria Catholicism - picking and choosing what aspects of religion one wishes to believe in - and decrying it based on recent remarks from the Pope. The stupefyingly obvious rebuttal to this is that it presupposes that there is an absolutist reading of the Bible that trumps all others. When it comes down to it, The Bible is a text, a collection of words and semantics, and interpretations of it can be as wildly diverse as interpretations of Ulysses or The Iliad. This is not an argument about religion, it is one about critical, analytical thought.
Jason, Thanks for the
February 23, 2009 - 11:36 ET by dvdaughtryJason,
Thanks for the specs. I can't go that indepth here at work, but I'll be back!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
no i'm saying JC is
February 23, 2009 - 12:45 ET by NCguyno i'm saying JC is irrelevant.
you have NO proof what-so-ever that god (as you believe) exist.
Game, set and match.
Good for you, NCguy. Now
February 23, 2009 - 12:48 ET by QueenMumGood for you, NCguy. Now how 'bout graciously accepting your trophy and leaving the court. Plenty of photo-ops in the parking lot.
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February 23, 2009 - 12:53 ET by choselife3xAnd prepare for a whuppin', or acknowledge that you are afraid of a real debate on this issue.
Set up a forum and I promise I won't use any Bible quotes on ya.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
No need. There is only one
February 23, 2009 - 13:00 ET by NCguyNo need. There is only one argument. Prove god exist. You can't, noone can. Argument over.
Take it to the Woodshed!
February 23, 2009 - 13:03 ET by BlondeThe typical troll types the typical response.
You want or desire any further discussion on this topic, take it to the Forums.
~Argument over
February 23, 2009 - 13:05 ET by choselife3xI knew you wouldn't have the guts.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
and so...
February 23, 2009 - 13:15 ET by AJBI'm waiting for your proof He doesn't exist.
"Prove god exist."
February 23, 2009 - 14:39 ET by CobraMan"Prove god exist."
I'd like you to prove that life created itself. That the universe created itself. That matter and energy created itself. Those are the current "scientific" explanations, are they not? All of those "scientific" explanations defy the "scientific" concept of Cause and Effect, do they not?
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February 23, 2009 - 14:39 ET by misterbillI do not have to prove myself. I am God. Did you ever wonder why I made you such an asshole????? Your salvation is in turning yourself around and using wisdom with your intelligence, kindness with your understanding and warmth in your dealing with others.
I am sad to say--you have not moved an inch from the spot I put you in at birth.
Try harder. Your reply may indicate if there has been any improvement today!
As I've said before - here
February 23, 2009 - 15:13 ET by moderncommentaries83As I've said before -
here and elsewhere – if God doesn’t exist, where did everything come from?
Nothing begets…nothing. So even if you believe in the Big Bang theory, where did those molecules of dust come from?
I can prove God (a/k/a a higher being) exists because if there weren’t something – a supreme force – guiding the creation of, well, everything, then you and I wouldn’t be here.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
maybe it was xenu and the
February 23, 2009 - 16:54 ET by NCguymaybe it was xenu and the aliens.
Our existance does not prove the existance of a higher being. It's proves that you and I exist.
Look into your own genes!
February 23, 2009 - 17:02 ET by CobraManMaybe it was God. SOMEONE created that first DNA strand. It couldn't have created itself.
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I looked into my genes
February 23, 2009 - 17:05 ET by dvdaughtry...and saw that even though I still fit into the 38's, 40's feel alot better.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Time for gene therapy?
February 23, 2009 - 17:07 ET by CobraManMaybe it's time for a little "gene therapy."
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yes it could have
February 23, 2009 - 17:06 ET by NCguyyes it could have
How?
February 23, 2009 - 17:10 ET by CobraManHow could have it created itself? And why haven't we SEEN a DNA strand spontaneously create itself in a laboratory experiment and/or in nature?
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PMCR
February 23, 2009 - 17:14 ET by CobraManWe haven't even seen a DNA structure spontaneously create itself using PMCR, the very process we use to REPLICATE genetic structures in the lab. Every piece of DNA created by PMCR is a copy of EXISTING DNA, like from a blood sample.
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that pretty much the same
February 23, 2009 - 17:20 ET by NCguythat's pretty much the same argument muslims use to explain the existance of allah. "A painting must have a painter for it to exist" If that's what they say, who is right?
So maybe your evidence of god means you're really talking about allah. Should you be a muslim?
they are both flawed arguments
And your point is, what?
February 23, 2009 - 17:26 ET by CobraManAnd your point is, what? That Allah is the Arabic name for God? Good argument, NOT! You might as well say that ice cream doesn't exist since ice cream is called culinario helado in Spanish.
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We both are
February 23, 2009 - 17:31 ET by CobraMan"If that's what they say, who is right?"
We both are. Same concept, different cultures. Duh!
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BTW NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 17:37 ET by CobraManBTW, NCguy, you use the same time concept as the Muslims. You, and they, define a Year the same way, one orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Does that make you a Muslim, since both you and they refer to a Year as meaning the same interval of time? I guess it does! How does it feel to be a Muslim?
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actually the Kalam
February 23, 2009 - 20:03 ET by botgactually the Kalam Cosmological Argument was posited by a muslim, what of it?
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Arabs did a lot for Astronomy
February 23, 2009 - 20:16 ET by CobraManThe Arabs (Muslims to NCguy) did a lot to advance the field of Astronomy several centuries ago. It's too bad that the Arab culture, like so many before and after, stopped their scientific studies of Nature for so long.
I wonder how advanced we would be today if they had continued their studies over the intervening centuries and what would have occurred of the rest of the world, especially the Europeans, would have overcome their racial bias and accepted their studies of nature.
It's similar to what happened to the Greeks and the Library of Alexandria. So much knowledge, so much possibilities, lost to future generations all because of bias and fear of someone else's beliefs, someone else's culture. What a shame!
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Prove it, NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 18:06 ET by CobraManSince you LOVE to demand proof, why don't you offer a bit of proof yourself?
I want YOUR proof that DNA can spontaneously assemble itself into a viable, repeatable structure, one that can perform the functions found in the DNA of a living cell, like you claimed.
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again, I don't have to. DNA
February 23, 2009 - 18:10 ET by NCguyagain, I don't have to. DNA exist. that's it. no "ONE" created it.
So, DNA formed with the Universe?
February 23, 2009 - 18:14 ET by CobraManYou don't have any proof. Why not just admit that?
SOMETHING, or SOMEONE created the first DNA strand, it didn't just appear out of nowhere, did it? If it did, that's pretty strong evidence for God, isn't it?
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By that logic it's also
February 23, 2009 - 20:27 ET by NCguyBy that logic it's also pretty strong evidence for invisable pixies.
That there may not be an answer to the origin of dna does not equate to that meaning it was created by god.
That is not proof, it's not even a valid hypothesis.
The orgin?
February 23, 2009 - 22:17 ET by CobraManYou sure like to avoid the obvious, don't you?
If DNA strands can form spontaneously, like you claim, then why DON"T they form spontaneously in any environment that is conductive to that formation, like in the nucleus of a cell? Why doesn't a DNA strand form spontaneously inside a living cell? That doesn't happen. Why does a new DNA strand require another existing DNA strand in order to form?
Also, why don't they form in the PMCR process (which is used in DNA fingerprinting) where existing DNA strands are replicated over and over again as to increase the DNA sample size? If DNA strands could form spontaneously, do not require an existing strand in order to form, that PMCR process itself should form new, unique strands. The DNA fingerprinting process would not work as the original sample would be contaminated by those new, unique strands. But that doesn't happen. Once again, why does a new DNA strand require another DNA strand in order to form?
The reason they DON'T form spontaneously is because they CAN'T.
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Typical revisionist. It's
February 23, 2009 - 22:22 ET by NCguyTypical revisionist.
It's amazing. Way to run in circles then rabit hole down the irrelevant. DNA formation or lack thereof offers no proof or evidence to support the simple question. Prove god exist.
Still you all have not. Not even close. Just admit that it all comes down to the fallible argument of faith. That's all you ever really have. Even salvation is an unprovable fact.
Wanna keep going with this?
Who's running in cirlces?
February 23, 2009 - 22:25 ET by CobraManWho's running in circles here? Don't you understand simple deductive reasoning?
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that's not deductive
February 23, 2009 - 22:29 ET by NCguythat's not deductive reasoning. It's trying to connect dots that can not be connected. Show me god physically and measurably creating dna, then you've got me. otherwise you've got bupkis.
You don't want proof, you want God not to exist
February 23, 2009 - 22:58 ET by CobraManWhat? It IS simple deductive reasoning. You're not willing to use that reasoning, but that's not MY fault. That fault falls squarely on YOUR shoulders.
You don't want evidence, don't want to use your own deductive reasoning. What YOU want is for God to pick you up and shake some sense into you, to literally grab you and scream I EXIST in your face. That's NOT going to happen.God doesn't want you to simply know that he exists, he wants you to LEARN that he exists so that you can expand your own knowledge and, in the process of discovery, strengthen your own intelligence, just like a school teacher does.
You have to find the evidence, the absolute proof, of the existence of God for yourself, using the intelligence that God gave you. That''s were Faith comes from. I can help guide you, show you how to use deductive reasoning to find that absolute proof for yourself, but you, and ONLY you, can accept that reasoning and find your own absolute proof, find your own faith.
I hope that, someday, you use your own intelligence and find the proof you seek. I did, as did billions of other people before me.
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sooooooo, you're saying god
February 23, 2009 - 23:06 ET by NCguysooooooo, you're saying god likes to play hide and seek? A bit juvenile isn't it?
If "he" wants us to learn "he" exist...why not just hold a world wide webcast or seminar like Tony Robbins? That'd be totally cool. I'd try to get in front of the mas gonga line so I'd be the one to give god a shoulder rub...oh wait? Is that gay? Would he smite me for doing so? You know, hedging his bets. That way if he learned I wasn't gay he could simply say, "it was god's plan and his time to go" I mean that's a bit of a douche bag move, but hey it's god, who'd call him on it anyway.
Youre'a fool
February 23, 2009 - 23:18 ET by CobraManYou're a fool. How can you learn anything if all the answers are given to you? That's not learning, not in the very least. In order to learn, you have to DISCOVER the answers, like solving a mathematical formula.
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Answer me this, NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 23:32 ET by CobraManAnswer me this, NCguy: How did you learn to read and write? Did your mother (or teacher) give you a seminar and suddenly, POOF, you could read and write? Or was it a process where you used observation and reasoning to figure out what each letter meant, how those letters groped together to form words, and how those words relate to the physical word?
Which one was it? Was it a learning PROCESS, or did someone just TELL you how to read and write and that's all you needed?
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First, if you spent your
February 23, 2009 - 23:48 ET by NCguyFirst, if you spent your whole life learning all the reason why 2+2=5 it still wouldn't change the fact that is doesn't and never will.
Second, your ignorance is to assume that I have never been educated on the subject. The more I learned the more I realised the fact that it's not possible to prove that 2+2 = 5.
It's obvious that you don't want od to exist.
February 23, 2009 - 23:53 ET by CobraManIt's obvious that you don't believe in the existence in God. But that's not enough for you. You also want everyone else to believe that God doesn't exist.
This is apparent in the fact that you don't even want to DEBATE the existence of God. Your flippant responses to my comments demonstrates this perfectly.
Why even ASK for "proof" if you're so unwilling to accept any? I'll tell you why: You don't want proof, you just want to sow the same doubt that you have on other people. You want US to doubt the existence of God.
Well, guess what, NCguy, you're NOT fomenting any doubt in me, or just about anyone else here for that matter.
NCguy, you FAILED to sow doubt, miserably. Have a great life, loser.
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I don't try to cast doubt.
February 24, 2009 - 00:10 ET by NCguyI don't try to cast doubt. The fact the god can not be proven can not be debunked. Everything that's been said here by you believer is window dressing to dance around the fact that your only evidence is you faith. I believe therefore he is. No logical argument can be created because it's a flawed premise. The bottom line is the argument is irrelevant. Your reality accepts that faith proves the existance of god. Mine doesn't. The problem is, we can't just agree to disagree. Schizophranics experience a reality that is very different from ours. They can tell you all day long the voices they hear are real. However, you can not agree to disagree about the reality of the voices they hear. The voices they hear are a manifestation of thier condition. They can not prove they are real, yet they accept that they are unless medicated.
You don't want to know
February 23, 2009 - 22:27 ET by CobraManFace it, NCguy, the proof of God's existence is right inside of you, but you don't WANT God to exist, therefor he doesn't.
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Call God a Pixie, if you like.
February 23, 2009 - 22:10 ET by CobraManYou can call God a Pixie, if you like. It doesn't matter as DNA can not spontaneously form, so SOMEONE had to have created the first DNA stands. If that someone didn't create those original strands, those original strands wouldn't have existed.
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By your own argumet, NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 18:26 ET by CobraManNCguy,
I'm going to use your own argument against you. You claim that there is no proof of God, therefor God can not exist.
You offer no proof for the spontaneous creation of a DNA strand, therefor that DNA found within you own cells can not exist.
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Again, that DNA exist is
February 23, 2009 - 20:24 ET by NCguyAgain, that DNA exist is the default and there is evidence. That it exist because it was created by god, there is no evidence.
Again, that my
February 23, 2009 - 20:27 ET by botgAgain, that my computer exists is the default and there is evidence. That it exists because it was created by a tech, there is no evidence.
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The evidence exists, NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 21:02 ET by CobraManThe evidence exists, NCguy, yo just don't want to see it. This evidence is the fact that DNA can not spontaneously assemble itself. No ONCE in over 4 BILLIONS years of life on earth has a new, different, DNA chain been created spontaneously OUTSIDE OF A LIVING CELL. If they could, we'd be finding them all over the place. Both in the sediments and in today's active environments. They should be appearing every day all over the planet. But they don't, because they CAN'T.
If DNA chains can spontaneously form INDEPENDENTLY from existing DNA strands, then there should be MANY other life forms, other types of cells (or even basic structures like a virus), who's DNA, and resulting cell structure, is radically different from all others and functions differently from all others and DOESN'T require a template in which to create another DNA strand.
The only thing CLOSE to a "new" or "different" structure is the mitochondria that exists with a living cell, but NOT outside of it. Why don't we find mitochondria like life forms existing outside of a cell? Not even a virus can form OUTSIDE of a living cell! And, like all other life forms, it uses it OWN DNA as a template in which to replicate itself.
This is because DNA can NOT spontaneously arrange itself into patterns necessary for even a basic cell function to occur, let alone ALL cell functions which depend on DNA to regulate those functions.It needs a template in which to construct itself, to replicate itself.
If that DNA can NOT spontaneously construct itself, if it must use existing DNA as a template in which to build more DNA strands, then that first DNA strand, the one which all other life forms on this planet copied, MUST have been constructed by a controlling influence, a controlling intelligence. We call that controlling intelligence GOD!
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again, I don't have
February 23, 2009 - 20:06 ET by botgagain, I don't have to. computers exist. that's it. no "ONE" created it.
yeah great logic you have there biffy
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Fuzzy Logic?
February 23, 2009 - 22:15 ET by CobraManThe mere existence of something is evidence of how that something originated. That's rather fuzzy logic, isn't it?
I can't understand why NCguy keeps using that excuse to avoid offering evidence that DNA can form spontaneously.
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NCguy, no "ONE"? How about a friendly CONSENSUS, THEN.
February 23, 2009 - 21:08 ET by upcountrywaterif 10 folk worked on the problem, it would happen 7 times faster right?
face it NCguy,
time is an issue.
Maybe this, with the mind of google, will have ALL them, answers..for ya.
I think you are on to something, here.
Think of google as a giant off shore amusement park , a ride for your life.
How long will google take to build an off shore "data center".
Bet me 50 cents that this will be used?
great technology, full power 24 - 7 - 365.24
pURPLe pINKy
Here's you proof, NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 15:45 ET by CobraManYou want proof? Look at your own genes. ALL life on earth requires DNA replication. Cells can not divide and survive without FIRST replicating the DNA in it's nucleus. Where is the ORIGINAL template for the DNA?
Without a template in which to build upon, a DNA strand randomizes it's structure during assembly and any cell based upon that new structure can not function as required, so it quickly dies. This is true for EVERY life form we have discovered. So, I ask you again, where is the ORIGINAL template from which all current life forms eventually evolved?
Do you know where that original template came from? It came from GOD! It was assembled purposely through a controlling intelligence. It was not randomly assembled through "natural" processes.
If that original template assembled itself through a random process, then there should be BILLIONS of separate, individual DNA strands laying all over the earth right now. There should be TRILLIONS of completely different cell types that don't function like other cells that exists on the earth based upon randomly created DNA strands.. But we don't find anything like that, do we? Why is that? Could it be because the first DNA strand didn't assemble itself randomly? If it wasn't a random process, then it must have been a controlled process. Who controlled that process? God.
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you have NO proof
February 23, 2009 - 15:11 ET by Jack BauerAnd you have no proof that he doesn't. That's why it's called faith. This is "news"??
Haven't you progressed beyond your rather childish revelation?
The proof of God exists
February 23, 2009 - 16:04 ET by CobraManThe proof of God exists within every living creature on Earth, within the nucleus of every cell within our own bodies. The atheists just refuse to admit it.
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childish is believeing your
February 23, 2009 - 16:31 ET by NCguychildish is believeing your invisible friend is real simply because you have faith.
Who;s being chidlish?
February 23, 2009 - 16:59 ET by CobraManWho's being childish? The man who has Faith, or the man who ridicules others for their Faith? I'll give you a hint, it isn't the former.
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NCguy's hatred of religion
February 23, 2009 - 21:04 ET by UnsaneYour seething hatred and bigotry towards those inclined towards spirituality only serves to make the lives of conservative atheists such as myself the more difficult.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! THE HOLOCAUST OF THOUGHT IS DAWNING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
see the difference between
February 23, 2009 - 21:17 ET by NCguysee the difference between those on this site and myself is, I hate no one. We passionately share different views. Unfortunately it's already been said by those here that they have hate in there heart for people like me. Figures the non christian in the room living the christian philosphy. I have no seething hatred.
I do say to you beware. Now that they know you are a godless heathen you may find them to have a different response to you in the future.
Lastly, here's one for your noodle. I'm not an "atheists"...nor am I black.
Generalize much?
February 23, 2009 - 21:33 ET by CobraManGeneralize much? I'm here, but i never said I hate you. Others are here as well, but I haven't seen them profess a hatred of you. Juts who actually professed a hatred of you?
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This is the second time I
February 23, 2009 - 22:04 ET by sherylsimsThis is the second time I have seen you mention your color here, and the second time I have seen nobody care. YOU are the only one interested in race. And also, there are a lot of people here who don't hate you. But you are working on fixing that, aren't you?
Questions and observations
February 24, 2009 - 17:34 ET by UnsaneHmmm...please quote for me where I brought up race in the post you responded to. Are you so intellectually vapid that you have to lay down red herrings?
Apparently you are an atheist. You have been demanding the believers out there prove that their God exists and have been just as insistent there isn't one. Hmmm...checking my dictionary here, that sounds like an atheist to me! Now, if you are an agnostic or follow some other philosophy, I would be pleased as punch to hear what exactly it is for the sake of clarification.
Generally speaking, I have found the NB community is accepting of my beliefs. But then, I don't go out of my way tossing "bombs" at Christians and others on this board, either. Many here have known this for the majority of my time here on NB. Yet for some bizarre reason, I find my posts and observations still tolerated here by most. Why is that?
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! THE HOLOCAUST OF THOUGHT IS DAWNING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
~Don't sweat it, Unsane
February 23, 2009 - 21:23 ET by choselife3xNCguy isn't an atheist, he's an idiot. No reflection on you.
And in case you hadn't noticed, we love ya around here. ;-)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
NCguy an atheist?
February 23, 2009 - 21:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKI thought he was an artist?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
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~I'm afraid to look, Sarge
February 23, 2009 - 21:50 ET by choselife3xThe dirtiest thing I've ever seen was Brian Williams' interview with Obama.
I'm still scarred.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Don't be afraid..
February 23, 2009 - 21:57 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. it's quite funny.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
~I tried, Sarge
February 24, 2009 - 08:45 ET by choselife3xIt wouldn't open for me, 'not available on Mobile'. Sigh. I miss all the good stuff.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
ERROR CORRECTION
February 24, 2009 - 03:39 ET byI agree with most of your feelings but your doctrine on this point is wrong.
Again, that does not describe Christianity. Christianity is not about "must do", but "chose to".
Jesus was quite specific on what one "must" do. The fact that you don't know this is shocking, but emblematic of the pervasiveness of the false doctrine that fills the land.
Pay attention to what you MUST do....
John 3:1-8 (King James Version)
John 3
1. There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Why atheists are so obsessed with God?
February 23, 2009 - 07:59 ET by garyganuI have never understood why atheists are so obsessed with God. Bill Maher mentions God more often than practicing Christians do during public events.
I first noticed this when I used to post on "Yahoo Answers" in the category of "religion and spirituality". I was shocked to find that 50% of the participants in that sub-category were atheists. The atheists were constantly mocking, discrediting and insulting people of faith.
Also, I have been insulted and then banned from a liberal web-site because I posted about creation.
I never understood why people who don't believe in God, spend so much time and energy discussing God. Why are they so emotional invested in trying to prove that there is no higher meaning to life and that God does not exist?
Methinks they doth protest too much.
Evolution and Entropy
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Anger at God
February 23, 2009 - 09:13 ET by GothampcIt's because they are angry at God. They are so angry that they attempt to hurt God and destroy whatever He is involved in.
When you think about it, people don't act that way towards things that aren't real. How many organizations are out there to prove that the tooth fairy doesn't exist?
They're angry at God because
February 23, 2009 - 16:36 ET by semolina_filcherThey're angry at God because they are gods in their own minds. They're all impotent in my eyes as God is omnipotent. They worship flowers, bees, the sun, the moon, the waters, heck even alGore...
Why? Ummmm ...
February 23, 2009 - 09:21 ET by legacyrepublicanRebellion!
That's because your belief
February 23, 2009 - 09:22 ET by NCguyThat's because your belief in God is laughable and unjustifyable.
~Laughable and unjustifiable
February 23, 2009 - 09:25 ET by choselife3xAKA, NCguy's claim to intelligence.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
"I know you are but what am
February 23, 2009 - 09:31 ET by NCguy"I know you are but what am I" I guess that's your only defense at this point. Have at it.
~You make a good point
February 23, 2009 - 09:37 ET by choselife3xYour 'belief' in your 'intelligence' IS your religion. I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for the insight into the shriveled husk that used to be your brain.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
wow, now that is and
February 23, 2009 - 10:04 ET by NCguywow, now that is and interesting remark. Guess I should start tithing to the church of intelligence. Oh wait, believing in interligence reuires no financing. That's good because you know money is the route of all evil. Guess the young boys of this country are safe pastor touchy pants.
You are a sharp one!
February 23, 2009 - 10:16 ET by dvdaughtryThat's good because you know money is the route of all evil.
Its the LOVE of money, but thanks for playing.
NEXT!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
don't you guys love it when
February 23, 2009 - 10:35 ET by NCguydon't you guys love it when someone misquotes the bible. Finnally a chance to win points.
No, we (at risk of speaking
February 23, 2009 - 10:41 ET by dvdaughtryNo, we (at risk of speaking for the Christian on NB) DO NOT love it.
What is annoying is all of nay-sayers twisting context, omitting meaning and overall distorting Scripture to disprove it.
If you are going to debate (term used loosely) have the respect to know the opposition (this is where the lazy part already mentioned on the thread, comes in).
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
debate can be done and won
February 23, 2009 - 12:37 ET by NCguydebate can be done and won with out scripture. So quoting it or mis quoting it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. It's mythology...just like zeus and the gods that came before jc and the band
NC.....you must lead an....
February 23, 2009 - 12:51 ET by BEGRUNTempty life.....I truly feel for you when that day comes......and you have to explain yourself.
"Blago got in touch with his inner dirt bag"
Dennis Miller
Then why won't you debate me?
February 23, 2009 - 19:52 ET by CobraMan"debate can be done and won with out scripture."
Then why won't you debate me? I'm not quoting Scripture. I've offered an argument that you have yet to debate, let alone refute. You have not offered a counter argument (unless you count "yes, it can" and "I don't have to" as valid arguments or rebuttals), you've ignored my arguments altogether.
I've also asked you for proof that you refuse, or are unable, to supply.
So, tell me, NCguy, why do you avoid the debate and resort to demeaning, misleading, and, quite frankly, obscure and nonsensical comments ("that's what the Muslims say, shouldn't you be a Muslim?") for my, and others, arguments and/or comments?
Be honest with yourself, NCguy, you're not looking for debate. Your mind is made up (There is no God!), closed to further debate, and no amount of debating is going to change that closed mind. You're right and everyone else is a fool for not recognizing your superior intellect, not "admitting" that you are right and they are wrong.
That's why you resort to insulting others for their beliefs. That's why you resort to describing any other possible explanation of the nature of the universe and how it all started as "mythology." You have YOUR belief (which you can't prove) and anyone who doesn't believe what you believe (and can't "prove" to YOUR satisfaction that their beliefs are closer to reality than your own, an impossible task as you don't want to admit that you may be wrong) is a fool, or "childish." That's not debating, that's demanding.
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You are not debating. You
February 23, 2009 - 20:18 ET by NCguyYou are not debating. You are circling. I say prove god exist. You can't, yet that doesn't stop you from making your answer prove he doesn't. That god doesn't exist is the default answer..or the control of an experient. This is backed up by your only argument being faith. That you believe doesn't make it proof. That DNA exist doesn't make it proof. The default as that is exist with out the hand of god. Otherwise I could claim it was made by fairies and challenge you to prove that not to be true.
If a debate is what you want then start with my question as I posed it first. Prove god exist.
Say again?
February 23, 2009 - 20:26 ET by CobraMan"I say prove god exist. You can't, yet that doesn't stop you from making your answer prove he doesn't. "
Say again? I guess you missed my argument that Life itself is proof of God. Care to debate that proof?
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NCguy, mythology, you say?
February 23, 2009 - 20:21 ET by R D HelmInteresting that you would make such an ignorant assertion, given the fact that the very book you are disparaging predicted, nearly two thousand years ago, among many other things, that the Jews would reclaim their homeland for the third and final time, and within one generation of that event, there would be three successive invasions of that nation that would signal the end of the rule of man on this planet.
One of the invaders mentioned will have the ability to field a 200 million man army.
The year Israel was founded for the third time was 1948, and the successive invasions will be carried out by Russia, China and Iran.
Take a really hard look at what is going on today. Russia, China and Iran are on the ascent, while this nation is rapidly declining.
We are fast approaching the end of a generational period concerning 1948, too, regardless of whose calendar one is applying.
Oh, and only one nation on Earth has the ability to field an army of 200 million soldiers, and that would be China.
Whistle past the graveyard all you like, but that isn't going to change the reality of what is going to unfold on this planet very soon.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
"One of the invaders
February 23, 2009 - 20:28 ET by mandrake"One of the invaders mentioned will have the ability to field a 200 million man army"
Could you please quote me chapter and verse on that one..I'd like to do a little independant research on that.
Revelation 9:16
February 23, 2009 - 22:34 ET by R D HelmRevelation 9:16
"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
And lets not forget Zechariah 14:12, which describes what happends to the armies that march against Jerusalem during that time:
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."
Ever read the U.S. government studies about what happens to the human body caught in the midst of a nuclear detonation?
Israel has possessed nukes since the late 1960's.
Nukes have a finite shelf life.
Do the math.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
delete
February 24, 2009 - 00:09 ET by mandrakedelete
crickets..figures
February 23, 2009 - 21:37 ET by mandrakecrickets..figures
No crickets, mandrake.
February 23, 2009 - 22:15 ET by R D Helm24
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
~Money is the route of all evil
February 23, 2009 - 10:18 ET by choselife3xI wasn't sure which particular turd to pick on first, out of that large pile you just dumped on the thread.
I decided to go with the Bible misquote first. 'For the love of money is the root of all evil' is how it actually goes.
Did you deliberately misspell 'intelligence'? Because that has the potential to be hugely embarrassing.
'Pastor touchy pants'? Is that what messed you up so badly? I'm sure it wasn't your fault, seek counseling.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
NCguy ...
February 23, 2009 - 10:20 ET by legacyrepublicanactually, the love of money is the root of all evil.
And it is immoral and not tolerated by God for Priests to use their position to sexual abuse the flock.
Check out what God said would happen to Eli's sons in I Samuel 2:12-36.
Intelligence...
February 23, 2009 - 10:33 ET by Cortillaen"that is and interesting remark" "interligence reuires" "good because you know money is the route of all evil" "pastor touchy pants"
How does it feel to sabotage your own point (what there is of it) with atrocious spelling, lack of proper punctuation, and childish ad hominems? When your argument against belief in God comes out as, "I don't believe in God, and I'm childish and only semi-literate," you do yourself and others no good.
Maybe when you reach the point of being able to carry on a rational, well-formed discussion, it will be worth explaining how I came to believe in a very specific God through logical evaluation of the world and the human condition.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
No church wants a
February 23, 2009 - 10:35 ET by AmaliaNo church wants a disgusting cretin like you stinking the place up. You just need to stop being an insulting douchebag, but we all know that's impossible for a disgusting piece of crap like you.
And do you mean ROOT? You are SUCH an idiot. That last sentence barely made any sense but I suppose it's about the Catholic priest molestation scandal. Talk about stereotyping. You are the worst sort of bigot.
Humm.
February 23, 2009 - 14:35 ET by CobraManNCguy, perhaps you should "reuire" a little of your own financing and attend a better school in order to increase your "interligence."
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O.K., name me another religion whose
February 23, 2009 - 09:58 ET by legacyrepublicanscripture calls you to test it so you can hold a reasoned faith in it in confidence of its truth?
I have tested it and it keeps coming up as being truth?
Some sites that will help those like myself who wish to test it too ...
Answers In Creation
Reasons to Believe
Ravi Zacharias
Reasonable Faith
Josh McDowell
John Ankerberg
well well now
February 23, 2009 - 10:52 ET by AJBSo it's all a big accident... no plan, no endgame? Just a random collection of crap floating around in space.
As an athiest, NCGuy, do you rely on Darwinism as proof? If so, you DO know that one of the key proofs has never been found? Check on the 'transitional' species. Nada. Zip. None.
"So it's all a big
February 23, 2009 - 12:35 ET by NCguy"So it's all a big accident..." Well, let's call it a numbers game. You have no fact to back up a plan or an end game.
me?
February 23, 2009 - 13:17 ET by AJBI believe the ball is in your court to prove there is no God.
KCguy, I gave you the facts you desire
February 23, 2009 - 15:54 ET by CobraMan"You have no fact to back up a plan or an end game."
KCguy, I gave you those facts here: Link. Would you care to refute them? Please do so as a rebuttal to that post.
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Dear Interlektural: a
February 23, 2009 - 10:03 ET by SickofLibsDear Interlektural: a belief, by definition, can not be justified. You're thinking of that other big word, "fact."
Public Skools
February 23, 2009 - 10:05 ET by Sergeant ROCKStop making fun of publik education!
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Bolton/KEYES 2012
I resent that!
February 23, 2009 - 10:38 ET by CortillaenAfter all, I'm a product of our public schools, as well. Of course, I'm out here in Middle America, away from both insane asy-er, I mean coasts... Going to a International Baccalaureate-accredited high school probably didn't hurt much, either.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
Let me guess, you got
February 23, 2009 - 10:46 ET by TexasteacherLet me guess, you got picked last for your ex-church's softball team, right?
Your belief in yourself (and subsequent obliviousness) is laughable and unjustifiable.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Another victim of false
February 24, 2009 - 04:00 ET byAnother victim of false doctrine. I am sorry to inform you NCguy that only the false churches that have poisoned your mind have a faith that is "unjustifiable", if I might correct your spelling.
The true church of Christ receives something as a DEPOSIT on all the promises that Christ made. The TRUE church....comes with PROOF.
Mark 16:15-20 (King James Version)
15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
As you can see the true church of Christ has their salvation CONFIRMED by the Lord providing the SIGNS that HE illuminated. Because the Catholics, baptists etc, don't teach that is of no import, IT'S IN THE BIBLE. So you're still responsible for the knowledge. You won't be able in that day to fall back on the fact that false teaching filled the land. The Lord told you that it would be that way.
The TRUE CHURCH of JESUS CHRIST receives a Spirit that TESTIFIES ABOUT JESUS CHRIST, not the "mute" spirit that no one knows they have spoken of by Billy Graham and his ilk. Or the popes "ilk" for that matter.
John 15:26
"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
Now the bible tells you that the Holy Spirit is NOT MUTE. That in fact it will TESTIFY about Jesus Christ's "reality". Just because the fake churches don't teach that you're still responsible for the knowledge because it's in the Word!
2 Corinthians 1:21-23 (New International Version)
21. Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22. set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Just because some fake church tells you that you can receive the Holy Spirit but you have to "take it on faith" that you got it, DON'T MAKE IT TRUE! The bible declares that the Holy Ghost IS proof that everything Jesus said is true in fact the Holy Ghost will SWEAR TO IT. It will act as a WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION and give TESTIMONY about the efficacy of the blood of Jesus as it relates to salvation.
Romans 8:15-17 (King James Version)
15. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
The Lord didn't want you to change your life, pick up your cross and follow Him on a lark. He provided proof but there's only one way to get it. Acts 2:38. Look it up. When you follow the teachings of the false church you get NO PROOF because the Lord doesn't anoint LIES. But when you do the few simple things he demanded that constitute the "new birth" spoken of in John 3:1-8 and are baptized in Jesus name, not the titles Father SOn and Holy Ghost, you get what He promised, the WAY He promised it and it does ALL that it was prophesied to do!
So you are saying the TRUE
February 24, 2009 - 08:13 ET by NCguySo you are saying the TRUE church is one that presents truth as a collective delusion. So anyone who doesn't see the truth hasn't been at the indoctrination long enough?
You are simply digging a deeper hole for yourself. One can only see the proof when one accepts as truth of gods existance with out proof?
Ok all i'm saying is,dude put a bedsheet on, shave your head and call you a brainwashing cult because there is no difference.
I might find myself in rare agreement...
February 23, 2009 - 07:50 ET by theduck6With old sour puss Maher if there were some requirement that documentaries actually be fact checked and accurate and not just clever editting to present sound bites out of context and responding to completely different questions than those posed by the voice over....as if!
Ace of Spades has a great
February 23, 2009 - 08:01 ET by kgAce of Spades has a great post on Atheism and why it is annoying.
http://minx.cc/?post=283236
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
The truth often is
February 23, 2009 - 09:20 ET by NCguyThe truth often is annoying...doesn't make it less right.
less right?
February 23, 2009 - 09:30 ET by general companyTruth? Niether of you would know it if it sat in your lap. You sure seem to be spending a lot of time making stupid comment on Mahre behalf, big fan I guess?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Prove that God doesn't
February 23, 2009 - 10:37 ET by AmaliaProve that God doesn't exist. You have absolutely no way of knowing whether He exists or not. Atheism is just as faith-based as any other religion. So no, atheism is NOT the truth.
When you think about it...
February 23, 2009 - 10:49 ET by CortillaenAtheism, by definition is the belief in the lack of any higher power. It is not a rational state of mind at all, contrary to claims, because it has decided that there is no God and actively filters incoming information to support that belief. This is blind faith. A truly rational person should never reach the point of atheism, because the jump there from being agnostic is one of accepting the absence of proof as proof of absence. A rational agnostic, my former condition, is one who accepts that they do not know one way or the other, and evaluates evidence as it is rather than searching for ways to dismiss it.
www.daybydaycartoon.... Proving that conservative comedy is very real.
"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." - Miyamoto Musashi
I find it interesting...
February 23, 2009 - 10:56 ET by AJBHave you noticed some of the big-league athiests rejected that religion and started to believe in a higher power? Once you put aside your desire to eliminate any rules in life and start really thinking about how we got here, how carefully designed life is, they eventually change their tune.
prove that God does exist.
February 23, 2009 - 12:31 ET by NCguyprove that God does exist. You also have no way of knowing whether he exists or not. Bet the christian's hate when they see thier own make this dumb argument.
Take it to the Woodshed
February 23, 2009 - 12:36 ET by BlondeThis is not an appropriate discussion for the main boards.
The embarrassing NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 21:20 ET by UnsaneOnce again, your seething hatred and bigotry towards religion, and your extreme contempt in those who are in fact religious, is disgusting. And it only serves to make the lives of those who don't believe (such as myself) all the more difficult.
When I see behavior such as yours, I understand why those of a spiritual inclination would depise atheists.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! THE HOLOCAUST OF THOUGHT IS DAWNING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Bill Maher's existence
February 23, 2009 - 14:40 ET by redmikeBill Maher's existence should be plenty of proof that God doesn't exist.
The box office has already
February 23, 2009 - 08:06 ET by SickofLibsThe box office has already spoken, and the Academy has reaffirmed it. The movie will be one those $2.99 sale bin DVDs at best.
Maher, your movie sucked, and what did you expect when you insult the core beliefs of 70% of the country in one fell swoop?
He was being "edgy" SOL
February 23, 2009 - 08:15 ET by superconHe's a comedian you know.Too bad he hasn't been funny in about ten years. It's sad when comedians begin to dabble in politics.They suck at it.The only one I've seen who can pull it off is Dennis Miller.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
SC you're right. Most
February 23, 2009 - 08:40 ET by SickofLibsSC you're right.
Most comedians have a few political jokes in their act, but it is Maher's ENTIRE schtick.
Miller does it well because he 1) makes sense; 2) does it with a smile on his face. Maher is pure acid.
Miller is a nice guy.
February 23, 2009 - 08:51 ET by superconYou can see that about him.Plus being in showbiz he has to get along with many of the type of people he pokes fun at.He can travel in their circles and do just fine.
Maher is a hateful little man who despises and loves to insult anyone he disagrees with.He would never venture out beyond his safe litte bubble of lefties. The difference is that while Miller may not agree with many people he will show them some courtesy and respect while Maher would just flip them the bird and insult their mother.
His show sucks.
Because with a name like Obama... you know it has to be good.
Talk about self absorbed.
February 23, 2009 - 09:19 ET by NCguyTalk about self absorbed. Miller is the last word in making a career from bloviating.
At least
February 23, 2009 - 09:43 ET by general companyMiller is funny. The one thing you have in common with Mahre is your both un-funny bigots
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I'm not sure if I'm more
February 23, 2009 - 09:59 ET by NCguyI'm not sure if I'm more puzzled about the un-funny remark or being called a bigot. Like your flawed belief, you have no evidence for either remark.
So it's 'unjustafyble' AND
February 23, 2009 - 10:05 ET by SickofLibsSo it's 'unjustafyble' AND flawed.
I'm sold.
Sure I do,
February 23, 2009 - 10:20 ET by general companyReligious belifs are lazy and in fact lack intelligence.
That's because your belief in God is laughable and unjustifyable.
Atheist are bigiots by design, they have no tolerance for anyone whom has religious beliefs, they are there for bigiots. It is one thing to be a none-believer, it is bigotry to ridicule one for being what you disbeleive, or dislike.
big⋅ot⋅ry
1.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.
the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Fair enough. Just don't
February 23, 2009 - 10:32 ET by NCguyFair enough. Just don't tell my wife. She is a devout christian.
So, if I'm man enough to acknowlege being a bigot, I guess you and everyone in here are as well. See we do have somthing in common! Let's hear you admit it then.
You have a wife? wow...
February 23, 2009 - 10:51 ET by sherylsimsYou have a wife? wow... that just doesn't make any sense. Of course the fact that she is a devout Christian explains why she hasn't smothered you in your sleep already.
I sure hope you didn't get
February 23, 2009 - 14:53 ET by TexasteacherI sure hope you didn't get married in a church...
If you're an athiest, then why did you go through a Christian ceremony involving praying to God and such? Were you married by a priest/pastor? Did they know you believe in atheism?
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Bigot? Try that comment
February 23, 2009 - 10:39 ET by AmaliaBigot?
Try that comment about child molesting priests, of which you posted in this very thread. A lot of priests did molest children but not all priests have done so.
As I said earlier, you have no evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, so once AGAIN atheism is NOT a fact, idiot that you are.
where a 10 foot pole when
February 23, 2009 - 12:27 ET by NCguywhere a 10 foot pole when you need one.
You have no evidence to prove aliens or puff the magic dragon doesn't exist.
~'Where's a ten foot pole'
February 23, 2009 - 12:34 ET by choselife3xDude, you sat on it.
"Who said aliens don't exist?" she asked, waving her antennae back and forth in the solar wind and typing rapidly with her webbed toes.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 14:41 ET by MrShy"You have no evidence to prove aliens or puff the magic dragon doesn't exist."
Exactly. And I wouldn't care one iota or waste my time going on alien-puff-magic-dragon-believers.org posting incessantly, "Prove they exist!"
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
again, the onis is on you
February 23, 2009 - 14:48 ET by NCguyagain, the onis is on you
~Sigh
February 23, 2009 - 14:56 ET by choselife3xOnus. No 'i'. Dyslexia is no excuse in the age of spell-check.
Bleep blork, puny earthling!
Blinking third eye rapidly in irritation.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
cl3x, et. al.
February 23, 2009 - 15:02 ET by BlondeKindly take this troll to the woodshed.
Enough of this on the main boards.....we saw more than enough during the primaries with Mormon and Catholic bashing going on 24/7.
Thanks!
Blonde
February 23, 2009 - 15:05 ET by MrShySome shocking news here, but I don't think he's heeding your sage advice (or he is and I haven't gone and looked... :p)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
MrS... I don't think
February 23, 2009 - 15:09 ET by bigtimerMrS...
I don't think anyone is from what I have seen so far when B asked the first time.
I agree with B...this is getting old.
Woodshed Time indeed!
~No fear, Blonde
February 23, 2009 - 15:12 ET by choselife3xI have decided to abduct the troll in my spaceship, where extensive rectal probes will determine the cause of his dysfunction.
*salutes with fifth arm. And antennae*
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 15:03 ET by MrShyNot surprisingly, you missed my point. Why are you on this site/thread? What do you care? Not only what do you care that Christians/people of faith (I'm not one of them) prove their God exist, what do you care that some of them/us want Maher to prove God doesn't exist?
Why do you care?
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
I want someone to prove Bill
February 23, 2009 - 15:25 ET by Jack BauerI want someone to prove Bill Maher exists. He looks like he was badly assembled as an experiment in Freankenstein's lab.
Mr Shy -- you nailed my
February 23, 2009 - 15:16 ET by Jack BauerMr Shy -- you nailed my often made thought too.
I diagree violently with everything to do with the left. I really do hate their guts (in the abstract), because I know them, and know how their minds don't work.
Yet do I waste my time on leftists websites gettung into pointless "flame" wars with a bunch of semi-retards.
No thank you very much. I may post occassionally just as a matter of fact. But generally life is way more intersting for me than that.
Jack... Ditto.
February 23, 2009 - 15:20 ET by bigtimerJack...
Ditto.
wow jb how christian of
February 23, 2009 - 16:15 ET by NCguywow jb how christian of you
NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 16:20 ET by MrShyYou foolishly assume conservatives/Repubs are all Christian by default. That's a stereotype. A BIG, false one, at that.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Jack
February 23, 2009 - 16:16 ET by MrShyYou say the things I wish I could say, but I'm too nice of a guy (wait, that didn't come out right :p... you are, TOO! :))
Look for a PM from me, btw :)
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
One quick point..
February 23, 2009 - 08:28 ET by sflconYou guys hit most of the points I'd have expressed and I don't feel I can add anything except:
LMAO at the washed-up, unfunny and bitter Bill Maher's pathetic whining!
Actually, where the movie
February 23, 2009 - 09:16 ET by NCguyActually, where the movie did show, it was sold out in nearly every time slot. This was true even here in Billy Grahm country. On a per theater basis it did quite well. It tripled what American Carol did.
There Is A God
February 23, 2009 - 08:07 ET by flyingmonkeyMaher's documentry didn't win an Oscar or even get nominated for one. How much more proof do you need that God does indeed exist.
Spoken like a true
February 23, 2009 - 09:12 ET by NCguySpoken like a true christian. Great logic! By that reasoning Santa exist because retail sales go up before Dec 25th.
Doesnt make any sense
February 23, 2009 - 09:23 ET by general companyBy that reasoning Santa exist because retail sales go up before Dec 25th.
Or is this an example of your convoluted logic?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
~Embarassmenttoncguy
February 23, 2009 - 09:23 ET by choselife3xYou wouldn't know reasoning if it was pointed out to you in a line-up with criminal stupidity and drunken imbecility. You pick the other two every time.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You're late
February 23, 2009 - 10:08 ET by SickofLibsWeren't you supposed to back to the facility by 6 pm Sunday?
Spoken like a true
February 23, 2009 - 11:11 ET by TexasteacherSpoken like a true atheist.
Let's look at atheist logic:
Big Bang - The entire universe and all it's wonder and complexities just happened. By sheer luck. How pathetic. That's like saying if you put all the pieces of a watch in a box eventually there will be a poof! and you'll magically have a completed watch.
The existence of God - If you can't see Him, then He doesn't exist. Do you not believe in gravity either? If you drop an object, you do not see anything pulling it to the ground. Now, wait for it...I know it's coming...you're preparing your grand comeback...
You can measure gravity! HAHAHA stoopid christians! (btw, how 'bout you go to iran and spout off about allah. Let us know how that goes...)
Yes, we can measure gravity. Big deal. How would you go about "measuring" God? What would you look for? How would you know you've found Him? I have hard evidence in my life that I interpret as God working for my benefit. Your "measurement" would be coincidence. That's where the faith enters. Everyone has faith of one kind or another. I have faith that God exists, He loves everyone and works for the good of those that serve Him, and that when I die my soul will enter into eternal communion with Him. You have faith that everything in this world happened by accident, if anything good happens it's a coincidence, and when you die your essence ceases to exist so you better make the most of your life here and try to make everyone's life miserable because they're happier than you.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Maher believes in a god...
February 23, 2009 - 08:31 ET by Ken Shepherd...only that god is himself.
You need look no further than his self-absorbed preachy speech last night.
self-absorbed = a belif that
February 23, 2009 - 09:11 ET by NCguyself-absorbed = a belif that ones self is god? What does that say about our politicians, left and right? They are almost all self absorbed.
You would have
February 23, 2009 - 09:32 ET by legacyrepublicanto bring up the gospel of Oprah!
~Okay, I wasn't going to say anything
February 23, 2009 - 09:33 ET by choselife3xBut this is the second time in one thread. Belief has 2 'e's. Count 'em.
Oh, and two words for ya. 'The Messiah'
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Suggest you do the same...
February 23, 2009 - 08:43 ET by AJBMy satellite company called me with an 'amazing' offer to add HBO. I interrupted her speil and said I wanted to ask a simple question... to wit, is Bill Maher still on HBO? She said 'of course', but his show was on hiatus and started selling him as if I would only buy HBO if he was on. Then I rocked he a little bit... I said I didn't care if HBO was free for life, as long as this commie-loving God hater was on HBO, I would never allow it into my house. Well, she changed her sales pitch a bit and tried to sell the other shows, and I interrupted again with my same question. She obviously didn't want to stray from her little script, so I said one more time about never buying HBO while he had a show and politely hung up. I just won't use my money to support God-hating America-bashing idiots. Too bad Rosie O'Donut, Ellen, or that View show was on Showtime or I'd cancel that too!
"Liberals - encouraging and funding the extermination if inner city babies since 1973"
and he is a "commie-lover"
February 23, 2009 - 09:08 ET by NCguyand he is a "commie-lover" how?
lover?
February 23, 2009 - 16:06 ET by AJBHe's for the redistribution of wealth. He's for a socialist government. He's not for capitalism. He's not for freedom. He's for state enslavement. Or do you not get that on his show?
Two important issues here
February 23, 2009 - 08:54 ET by kdizzydazeFirst, Religulous was not a documentary, thus, not nominating it was the right thing to do.
Second, it's not that Bill is an atheist that bothers me (or perhaps any other "believer"), it's his condescending, arrogant smirky, look-down-his-nose treatment of those who don't agree with him.
By the way, Hugh Jackman needs a new manager after that performance last night. And what about all these wonderful so-called "actors" that could not even get their lines right? Stammering, stuttering, bumbling through awards announcements.
Highlight? Ben Stiller and Natalie Portman
Horrendous.
God made man, but he used a monkey to do it -- DEVO
Off-topic, but...
February 23, 2009 - 09:25 ET by Gothampc"Horrendous."
And the producers messed up the easiest part of the show: the memorial to people who had died.
Note to producers: people watching by tv would actually like to be able to see the screen when you are projecting names and images of people who have died.
I turned it off after Best
February 23, 2009 - 10:08 ET by moderncommentaries83I turned it off after Best Supporting Actor...I kinda wanted to see if Heath Ledger won (which he did).
I always liked the "In Memoriam" part...and they screwed it up? Dude, I could do an effective presentation using PowerPoint....
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
In Memoriam
February 23, 2009 - 10:54 ET by Gothampc"I always liked the "In Memoriam" part...and they screwed it up?"
They screwed it up royally. They had all these weird camera angles (including long shots of the entire stage) and you couldn't read the names or see the images of some of the people. I screamed at my tv "I know nothing about filming but I'm smart enough to know that this is a one camera close-up shot of the screen"
ha
February 23, 2009 - 09:13 ET by charlietexasDidn't see that part, but its not a surprise. We watched the last 30 mins. Wasn't a surprise Milk won.
mom
Why? Ummmm ...
February 23, 2009 - 09:20 ET by legacyrepublicanRebellion!
Why are atheists so
February 23, 2009 - 09:42 ET by snaggletoothieWhy are atheists so emotionally invested in the issue of God? Because thry have unresolved issues with their father. Daddy stuff is very personal. And when you're so angry with your father that you take the issue cosmic, you're looking at a defient and unstable personality. A personality so disturbed that a battle rages on most everywhere, most all the time.
Yes, the Truth is annoying
February 23, 2009 - 09:55 ET by moderncommentaries83And the Truth is that there is a God, and that He expect certain things from us. So I guess it's "annoying" when God says X behavior is wrong, and we should act accordingly.
Many in Hollywood, Maher included, are in for a rude awakening at the end of their lives, when their contempt for God and His natural law will demand an answer and explanation from them. So I can see how that would be "annoying", too. Eternal damnation sucks.
But that's not the point. If Maher is free to spout his bigoted nonsense (and it is nonsense, because no honest remarks about religion have ever crossed that man's lips), then religious persons are free to worship - even publicly - as they see fit.
Atheism is a religion with a belief system that says there is no God, but some "inherent" morality instilled in man. Both are protected under the Constitution.
And when Maher insults the belief of a majority of the world - as many people believe in God or gods - and sticks his thumb in the eye of average America, he gets pissy when there's a backlash?
Puh-leeze.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Somebody, I don't know
February 23, 2009 - 10:12 ET by flyingmonkeySomebody, I don't know who, said last week that anyone who portrayed a gay man who dies will automatically win an Oscar.
He hit the nail right on the head!!!
Kind of takes some of the luster off of the award, doesn't it??
NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 10:31 ET by ForeverOnTheRightIf you are wrong about God and Jesus, and you are, on judgment day we will not be laughing and we are not laughing now about your decision to not believe. You are not in a position to judge us or to laugh because you are not superior to us or more “righteous”. We are not your judge either, God who has the right, is. We acknowledge our need for salvation and have decided to put our faith in God and not in ourselves. Satan will get the last laugh on you and you will be hearing it for eternity unless you change your mind before it’s too late.
hey, if blind faith makes
February 23, 2009 - 12:21 ET by NCguyhey, if blind faith makes you feel better, have at it haas!
NCguy
February 23, 2009 - 13:35 ET by ForeverOnTheRightIt's not blind faith, too much evidence, historical and the amazing world around us, too amazing to just have happened by some random chance that is mathematically impossible. You can name belief systems that blind faith is very much a part of it, i.e. secular humanism, atheism etc. Evolution, an article of faith for both, has a lot of scientific “evidence”, but in the end you still need to take that blind leap of faith to believe that it’s true. Those who choose to believe in evolution choose to because the alternative is not convenient.
nope wrong. even if
February 23, 2009 - 14:20 ET by NCguynope wrong. even if everything is not true, it doesn't change the lack of proof of god.
Yes, it's "blind faith"
February 23, 2009 - 14:06 ET by moderncommentaries83Yes, it's "blind faith" that has us look around and say that all of creation had to some from somewhere...and then, rationally realizing you don't get anything out of nothingness and concluding there must be a higher power (i.e., God).
No. It's much more rational to believe this is all chaotic and that we just appear through a random sequence of chaotic circumstances out of total blackness.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Maher tried not to sound
February 23, 2009 - 11:02 ET by Carl KolchakMaher tried not to sound bitter
"It's my party and I'll cry if I want to
Cry if I want to, cry if I want to
You would cry too if it happened to you" 'It's My Party'
One inescapable conclusion
February 23, 2009 - 11:26 ET by HelenSOne inescapable conclusion I cannot help reaching is that athiests are really massively egotistical. Even in their self-described humility, they tout their humility with great pride (and revile or excoriate you if you happen to disagree with them or doubt their sincerity).
How else do you explain that the highest form of intelligence or thought or source of knowledge, wisdom, and truth they have or acknowledge is themselves? They select themselves or some other human as the standard for intelligence, observe that they can live up to that standard, and always feel either good about themselves or superior to everyone else.
If that's not arrogant, I really don't know what is.
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
Because there is no truth to
February 23, 2009 - 12:19 ET by NCguyBecause there is no truth to prove otherwise. But really....is it any more arrogant than justifing war in the name of the one true god?
~'Justifying war in the name of the one true god'
February 23, 2009 - 12:28 ET by choselife3xWhat do Muslims have to do with this conversation?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
about as much as christians
February 23, 2009 - 14:11 ET by NCguyabout as much as christians do
Because there is no truth
February 23, 2009 - 14:09 ET by moderncommentaries83PROVE that there "is no truth", please...
Because if there is no truth, then the laws of man are not binding either. Were I an atheist and believed there were no consequences in the afterlife, then the only rule to live by would be: DON'T GET CAUGHT.
Murder, robbery, assault, mayhem...all of it would be fair game because what does it matter? If there is no truth save my own personal worldview, then I'm not bound to obey the laws of God or man.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
If your belief in God is
February 23, 2009 - 14:53 ET by redmikeIf your belief in God is what prevents you from being an utter lunatic and menace to society, then I'm sure everybody, religeous or not, is very happy you have found God.
likewise, if your belief
February 23, 2009 - 15:06 ET by NCguylikewise, if your belief this is the only life you have prevents you from being an utter lunatic and menace to society, I'm also sure everybody, religeous or not, is very happy.
However if you believe your belief in an imaginary friend is the only thing keeping you from becoming a lunatic and a menace...well then you'd better make sure nothing happens to question your belief.Though I'm sure that never happens to people of faith.
why NC
February 23, 2009 - 15:11 ET by botgdoes you have a wittle imaginawry fweind? Good for you.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
You missed my point
February 23, 2009 - 15:26 ET by moderncommentaries83You missed my point completely.
If there is no God, why in the world would anyone be bound by the laws of "society"? Where did that order and those laws come from, if not God? I would not be an "utter lunatic and menace" because there is no foundation for justifying any laws or morality - no matter how secular or religious. Those "laws" and "society" would be like God in atheists' view: non-existent.
Order does not happen on its own. Mankind's decency is not self-taught. Societal structures are not happy conincidences.
God is the binding force on all mankind's morality and all just laws. Without Him, a person isn't beholden to any laws.
And, no, there is nothing in this world that can shake my belief in God and His Church. I've studied, I've learning and I'm still studying and learning. Everything makes 100% absolute sense and I'm confident enough in my faith to know it won't be shattered or swayed.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
I didn't miss your point at
February 23, 2009 - 16:10 ET by NCguyI didn't miss your point at all. Laws of society predate religion and crosses all species. it's call biology. With out god society maintains and thrives out of survival but does it in perfect harmony with nature.
you mean like Stalin, Mao,
February 23, 2009 - 15:08 ET by botgyou mean like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Khan, Alexander, Cesaer, or the Mings?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
As someone else posted elsewhere about liberals . . .
February 23, 2009 - 13:24 ET by CKA in Red State USADo they do anything but complain?
cka... NO!
February 23, 2009 - 13:27 ET by bigtimercka...
NO!
Poor Billy Mahre
February 23, 2009 - 15:24 ET by jacktherippershunned at birth,neglected as an adolescent and lonely as an adult. No wonder he does not believe in God! Or could it be that mocking religon is a sure way to get noticed?
oh and by the way NCguy there's 1 sure way of finding out if God exists......exit stage left (if you know what I mean!)
To paraphrase Monty Python
February 23, 2009 - 15:39 ET by Jack BauerTo paraphrase Monty Python what's atheism ever done for me? Except --- there's no long list to disprove the theory.
Until very very recently in human history, all great art, political thought, literature, science and technology came from religion and religious people. Chrtistianity and Judaism being prime monotheistic sources.
Even other civilizations were driven by some branch of religious practice. Atheism is at the bottom of all civilizing influences.
In fact, the worst mass crimes against people in human history (almnost exclusively in the 20th Century) have occured after the Godless creed of Communism, Fascism and Socialism has taken hold of nation -- or more accurately, the nation's LEADERS.
"Until very very recently
February 24, 2009 - 10:53 ET by Texasteacher"Until very very recently in human history, all great art, political
thought, literature, science and technology came from religion and
religious people. Chrtistianity and Judaism being prime monotheistic
sources."
Go ahead and throw music in there too. For example, J.S. Bach would sign every manuscript (out of the thousands that he wrote) with the simple phrase "Soli Deo Gloria" - To God alone the Glory.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Texasteach -- mea culpa --
February 24, 2009 - 14:04 ET by Jack BauerTexasteach -- mea culpa -- how could I FORGET to include music in the glories of Western civilization.
It's all
February 24, 2009 - 14:15 ET by TexasteacherIt's all good.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
Maher is a destable little
February 23, 2009 - 17:00 ET by RogerCfromSDMaher is a destable little man. Another ugly, little soul; like Garofalo.
I'm glad his anti-Christian agit-prop piece didn't rank consideration for high honors. Maher needs to know God, not "No" God.
A nation cannot be free without a free, unbiased media. We are not free.
So NC, you don"t really exitst...
February 23, 2009 - 17:55 ET by RukusWhere did you come from? Big Bang!? So there were no chipmuncks, molecules, DNA, stars, the Universe, dust, sparrows, LIFE!,etc..., what happened?? Nothing to something?? What happened? The only explanation is that some Higher Being started all of this! There is no other explanation. Where did all of this happen? Only an omnipresent being, that's the only way! You are who you are because you were born, you didn't just happen! Explain why all the universe just happened without something already being there. One made it happen or SomeThing making it that way. Just happened out of nothing, yeah, right! You exist because Someone greater than you made it so. Deal with it! You wouldn't exist without Him! Deal with it! All that is is because of God! You and I are here because of a God that created something from nothing, disprove it!
Gary
Sorry Al, I've used up my allotment of "give a crap!"
I don't have to. I'm here.
February 23, 2009 - 18:08 ET by NCguyI don't have to. I'm here. I know who my creator is, my parents.
The only explaination is not a higher power. Just because you've run out of answers does not mean it's a higher being.
Do you honestly believe
February 24, 2009 - 11:00 ET by TexasteacherDo you honestly believe that the entire universe just randomly blinked into existence?
Just to help everyone out, answer these simple questions:
What caused the universe to come into existence?
What is the purpose of the universe, or more importantly, human beings?
What happens to your conscienceness/essence/soul when you die?
We're all eager for your vast knowledge and teachings.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
my current belief in what
February 24, 2009 - 14:21 ET by NCguymy current belief in what caused the universe to come into existance is probably the same answer as yours if I asked you what caused your god to come into existance.Though I have to ask what you mean by universe. Are you talking the space that physical material exist with in? Or the materials themselves?
Purpose is a value question. The answer is irrelevant.
Depends how you define soul. But again, it's irrelevant. The only thing that can be answered is what happens to YOU when you die? The answer is you change state but continue to exist.
my current belief in what
February 24, 2009 - 14:25 ET by botgmy current belief in what caused the universe to come into existance is probably the same answer as yours if I asked you what caused your god to come into existance.
not so as the universe (including time itself, that's why they call it the space/time continum) came into existance and is finite. A God by definition is infinite.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
See? I told you it would
February 24, 2009 - 14:41 ET by NCguySee? I told you it would be the same answer. My mind can accept the idea that the universe is infinite. Your mind accepts the idea that god is infinite. The difference is I can prove I am right because the universe exist without doubt or question. The default answer is the universe is infinite. There is no evidence to prove or theorize otherwise.
not according to the most
February 24, 2009 - 14:55 ET by botgnot according to the most widely accepted scientific theories of the day, 'the big bang', 'relativity', and 'quantum mechanics'.
but hey if you wish to hold a scientifically untenable position, carry on.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Now do you mean infinite as
February 24, 2009 - 14:58 ET by TexasteacherNow do you mean infinite as in the area it encompasses is infinite, or infinite as in it'll never end?
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
I apologize. After
February 24, 2009 - 14:54 ET by TexasteacherI apologize. After another glance, that question was in fact quite vague.
At what point did the physical expanse of the universe materialize (or begin)?
And just saying an answer is "irrelevant" doesn't mean that I don't want an answer.
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
texasteach
February 24, 2009 - 14:58 ET by botgabout 13.8 billion years ago according to the latest scientific theory
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Ok. Now then, if we have
February 24, 2009 - 15:16 ET by TexasteacherOk. Now then, if we have a starting point (even if it is estimated), what caused it to start?
Next question - Will the universe end?
obama's notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.
estimated starting point
February 24, 2009 - 16:26 ET by botgand note that begins all, matter, energy, time.
will it end? that is speculattion, but at no time can it ever become infinite, since at any given time it will always have an age (even if we only have an estimate of it's actual age)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
String theory & Quantum
February 24, 2009 - 16:32 ET by NCguyString theory & Quantum theory opens up new questions and possibilities of time space and dimentions.
As for the end, there again is no suppoting evidence of a time horizon.
Keep going if you like but the complexities of life does not offer proof of an intelligent creator. I would possibly conceed that it may be circumstanstial evidence but little more.
This still all comes down to accepting a version of the bible as the lving word of god. And by accepting it mean faith that it's the living word. The problem is, this faith puts humans above the laws of nature which explains the evolution of agricultural civilazations. Following this world view puts our culture at war with the harmonious natural world that worked up until 10,000 years ago. This lead to the great forgetting.
the loops really give you
February 24, 2009 - 16:39 ET by botgthe loops really give you no ad here
the units mitagate against actual infinities
the age of the earth severly limits the probability of dna formation, hellz there ain't even enough time for a single protein to form within a chance of 1 in 10^50
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
well, they did find ice on
February 24, 2009 - 16:50 ET by NCguywell, they did find ice on mars
ice on Mars
February 24, 2009 - 16:58 ET by botgso?
given time and resources i'm sure they'll find life on Mars no doubt blown there by the solar wind.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
np, actually THAT
February 24, 2009 - 15:52 ET by NCguynp,
actually THAT question is not irrelevent. The evidence points to no sign of a horizion but the big bang.Currently sting theory has emerged to identify new concepts of time and space. One idea being that this "universe" may have parralles. That idea leads to therories on infinite times and spaces. However, none of which points to a god as the creator.
parallel imaginary universes?
February 24, 2009 - 16:32 ET by botggot proof?
further with the latest studies the mass of dark matter may be enough for a 'closed' universe. btw it is bounded physically, the bound is not found in 3 dimensions however. All explosions have an event horizon.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
proof? me? No But
February 24, 2009 - 16:46 ET by NCguyproof? me? No But quantum and string theory physicist have potential evidence. However, I would hardly say I sign on to it as fact either. But they've used it create senario based predictable out comes
But since Mr. Maher is such
February 23, 2009 - 19:14 ET by RR GOPBut since Mr. Maher is such an enlightened rationalist, this will in no way affect his ego. Though he has not foolishly claimed to have completely abolished his ego, he has acknowledged its presence and will move forward on the path to Enlightenment unabated by the wordly things that force us into a never-ending cycle of reincarnation and suffering.
Yeah, right...he's pissed. ROFLMAO~~~~
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Haha..
February 23, 2009 - 22:14 ET by MightyMouthBill Maher an athiest..the only humans to doubt their "faith" moments before they die...sad...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
There will come a time......
February 23, 2009 - 23:53 ET by mbmonahan..... when Mr. Maher will stand before the Lord and get HIS review of the flick.
Bill Maher
February 24, 2009 - 04:01 ET by pummyI wish I could smack him in his big aszz nose and make him cry like the little wise as turds he reminds me of from grade school.