Anyone who doesn't think Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn are currently radical should pay attention to the second half of their interview that aired on Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! program on Monday. Listen to Dohrn wail about all the disasters the U.S. military is allegedly causing, and how we need to get "off the necks and the backs" of the world:
That’s a remarkable opportunity, because we have to do a lot more listening and a lot more talking to deal with, really, the future of the planet, massive starvation, the destruction of water and rivers and oceans, and the relationship of all that to war and armament. I don’t see how we can move forward out of this economic crisis without massive demilitarizing of the U.S. empire machine.
BILL AYERS: And, and…
BERNARDINE DOHRN: I think that’s what we have to do, but how do we have that? I don’t have any formula for how we do that. I want to talk to everybody about how key that question is of how much money and resources and off the budget, you know, budgeting of our tax dollars goes into that unaccountable, highly privatized war machine of domination and mayhem. When we have so many fundamental human needs here and around the world. And what?
At interview's end, Dohrn added that it's the radical Marxists who are somehow the pro-lifers:
I want to say one last thing. The best of the new Left and the best of the social struggles of today have at their core the valuing of human life. All human life. You have to say both parts of that because people in the United States have to find our place in the world. And in some ways get off the necks and the backs of people of the world. We have to live differently. We have to live, and I say this with all humility too, you know. We have to all together learn to live differently so that others may live. So that core notion that animates social justice movements is really the valuing of all human life.
Do these people sound like Barack Obama's ideal supporters? Even at his career's beginning?
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.
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Doh!
November 30, 2008 - 09:26 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSo if America disarms the Somalis will stop pirating, the Iranians will stop their nuclear ambitions, the Palestinians will stop suicide bombing, the Indians and the Pakistanis will divvy up Kashmir, Russia will leave Georgia and on and on the dominos will tumble.
I think not. What simple minded twits these leftists are.
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Evil not Simple Minded
November 30, 2008 - 09:59 ET by allanfI don't think Ayers is simple minded at all. I think he is evil. Ayers detests this nation and wants out people to suffer for its "crimes".
Yes, both of these people
November 30, 2008 - 10:58 ET by celatorYes, both of these people are evil and psychopaths. Of course, they have always been media favorites so they get a pass or are bascially ignored. There's lots of these types of folks left from the 60's who will slither out from under the rocks as soon as Obama gets settled in.
Does Obama not have any normal friends, or are they all radical nutjobs and communists?
For the Socialists of the
November 30, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Andrew H.For the Socialists of the Ayers and Dorhn type, they would be spared any inconvience in their world-view. They would be the ones on charge and enjoying all the fruits... that is how it works. These idiots want to be our bosses.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Old Hippy Radicals Never Die
November 30, 2008 - 10:14 ET by BlondeAnd they apparently never shut up, either.
Doehrn is the far more dangerous of this pair. Totally whacked.
We have to all together learn to live differently so that others may live. Clue for the old terr broad: A great first step is to STOP killing unborn children.
The question though, Tim, is not whether these people sound like Obama's ideal supporters, rather, are these the people who formed The One's philosophies?
"The best of the new Left
November 30, 2008 - 11:31 ET by andophiroxia"The best of the new Left and the best of the social struggles of today
have at their core the valuing of human life. All human life."
Dorhn is one sick b*tch. I read her commentary on Sharon Tate's murder. Disgusting. I don't believe her at all.
"Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!"
This was said at the December 1969 "War Council" meeting sponsored by the Weathermen. Of course her husband said that at the time she was being ironic.
Apparently no, she was very serious after other people there were interviewed.
She doesn't give a crap about human life at all. Either the unborn or the living. The nail bombs they had prove that she and her fellow Weathermen were set on violence. You set a bomb off and it has the potential to kill and maim people. That's at least irresponsible and reckless--but a NAIL bomb. What do NAIL bombs do? Hmmmm? They said well they killed their own. Really? Why were they making NAIL bombs when they could have used some other way to cause distraction at least. Why did they go for bombs? They could have went through perfectly legitimized means to have their voice heard without resorting to violence, but they are Marxist. Marxists almost always require a bloody revolution.
“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill
Lies from stone cold killers
November 30, 2008 - 10:34 ET by JWFthe future of the planet, massive starvation, the destruction of water and rivers and oceans, and the relationship of all that to war and armament
How about the past while we are at it? In Dorn's* lifetime -
We have had 0 (ZERO) mass starvations, quite the contrary, there was something called the green revolution.
We have had 0 (ZERO) water, river and oceans destroyed. Quite the contrary, we have learned much about the ecology of rivers and oceans, and we have brought several rivers back from the brink of death.
And as for the relationship to war and armament, HUH? Are you, whah, where did, huh? We have yet to find one army in the history of earth that has destroyed nature in any fasion. They are usually too busy destroying things humans inhabit when they are not actually destroying humans.
Oh wait, is VietnamFlashBackGirl referring to agent orange? She needs to visit Vietnam. All those jungles have grown back. Next time she goes into hiding, she needs to stop and pop a few coins into a newspaper machine and KEEP UP!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
* Look who wears the pants in this family. She has been doing all the talking.
Just a glimps...
November 30, 2008 - 10:45 ET by jackie3Of what's to come under the new communist admin. Lies, lies and more lies.
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
It's amazing...
November 30, 2008 - 11:17 ET by mizflame98... how the media are breaking their necks trying to get interviews with a couple of "former" terrorists when the same media pretended they were all but non-existent during the election. Fascinating.
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Anti-Americans Want Peace
November 30, 2008 - 11:27 ET by WorriedAre we going to have to listen to this garbage while their best friend and neighbor BO goes about destroying our country? These 2 terrorists should be doing time in prison like any other criminal instead of brainwashing young Americans. They're still spreading the idiotic notion if Americans didn't start wars then peace would prevail all over the world. I say Bush should send one final message to the Islamo-facsists in the Middle East that says we will never lay down and let you take us over.
These two murderers should
November 30, 2008 - 11:51 ET by NL207These two murderers should have been executed years ago. I would propose we use the same execution works used on Timothy McVeigh. Their crime was identical in nature to his: bombing public buildings and killing people with those bombs.
Have a memory and use it.
November 30, 2008 - 11:59 ET by c5thenThese two were supposedly insignificant before November 4. Why are they being interviewed now? Did the USA start WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Bosnia/Serbia, Gulf War 1, Afghanistan? No! They only war that we couyld be accused of starting was the Iraq war in whice we told them that we would forcably remove the regime if they did not tell the truth about their suspected Chemical, Biological and possible Nuclear weapons. This was under at least 3 UN mandates.
Ayers and Dohrn obviously would rather that the US NOT defend anything and instead re-distribute our vast wealth to other parts of the globe as a type of global socialism. They are being interviewed about these ideas because the MSM know that they hold some of the same ideal and phiolosophies as the President-elect. They are significant now bacause of this and they were significant then for the same reason. The MSM are part of the same internal enemy that we are warned about.
This is Orwell's newspeak manifesting itself.
Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!
Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012
nadadhimmi : I guess the
November 30, 2008 - 12:19 ET by nadadhimminadadhimmi : I guess the Indians, and Hindu's in general were at fault in Bombay this weekend, huh?? How dare they resist the will of I-Slam.? You see, this terrorism will only end both domestically and internationally in either the victory of barbarism or civilization. Ayers and Dhorn are no less murderous psychopaths than are the muslims. Either western civilization, ie, the USA, will win by killing hundreds of millions of muslims, or, the world will enter a thousand year period of darkness. I-Slam has declared this to be the only solution as directed by the Medina teachings of Mo-hamed and the Hadith. Too bad we just elected a radical bent on destruction of our Nation and constitution, and he has NEVER renounced his "muslim faith" you know.
The greatest trick Satan
November 30, 2008 - 12:45 ET by choselife3xever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist.
When are people going to wake up and realise what we are up against? Remember when those American contracters were kidnapped, beheaded, burned, dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge?
You can't tell me liberals aren't crazy when they justify those people and go on and on about how 'evil' America is.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
remember when...
November 30, 2008 - 13:10 ET by abeautifulpersonits really dangerous to open this can of worms. here are some of the things i am SURE they remember...
— shock and awe. the spectacular bombing of bagdad when it was well known saddam was NOT at his palace
— being tortured or murdered in abu graib
— america selling chemical weapons to saddam - which it was well known the how they could be used - to use on kurds
— america's bombing non-military targets during the gulf war, destroying a considerable amount of infrastructure, including water treatment plants, resulting in a massive jump in infant mortality
— america using depleted uranium causing a spike in cancer rates
— america supporting saddam for years both logitistally and militarily to not only war with iran, but suppress his own people
— private military contractors randomly shooting at civilian targets, murdering iraqi's with impunity
— american companies given no-bid contracts that iraqi's could easily do, who then hired cheap foreign labour, resulting in high unemployment and seeing the money slide into the hands of unscrupulous multinationals such as halliburton
— america illegally selling weapons to iran AFTER the iran-iraq war began in the hope that both countries would mutually annihilate each other
— the continued bombing of iraq for over a decade, the shooting down of the iranian commercial jet in iranian airspace
— the burying alive of iraqi troops during the gulf war
— the US bombing of al jazeera in order to stifle opposing news
— the faking of WMDs to facilitate the invasion of iraq
— the US' covert ratcheting up of ethnic tension in order to keep sunnis and shi-ites divided and destabilize the country
— the US decision to make 100% of all iraq business and resources available to purchase by foreign business interests
these are the thing THEY remember when they are perpetrating their despicable acts of violence.
i am not for a moment suggesting that america is 100% evil. i am not justifying or condoning the act of which you mention. all i am doing here is pointing out some issues which may have been in the minds of that angry mob who took their rage out on those blackwater mercenaries. and whether you think these points are of merit doesn't matter. it did to them.
"I am not for a moment
November 30, 2008 - 13:17 ET by Andrew H."I am not for a moment suggesting that america is 100% evil. i am not justifying or condoning the act of which you mention. all i am doing here is pointing out some issues which may have been in the minds of that angry mob who took their rage out on those blackwater mercenaries. and whether you think these points are of merit doesn't matter. it did to them."
Yes, you are too. You have used some leftist wondering scribble over a latte' of every untruth that can be applied to our work (he then posted it on the net of course) to justify anything the Muslim animals have done. The truth is not in you.
Lib
the faking of WMDs to facilitate the invasion of iraq
November 30, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Free Stinker— the faking of WMDs to facilitate the invasion of iraq
This is how we KNOW you are ignorant.
Your lies can not make the Cyclosarin, Mustard Gas, Sarin, Tabun, VX gas, and (tons of) Uranium go away. And the UN has even admited that the "old" WMD found was not degraded.
As if the WMD wasn't enough, there were plenty of other reasons to overthrow Saddam.
Saddam Hussein used Chemical weapon against the Iranians, Kurds, and Marsh Arabs; attacked 6 nations (Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, and Bahrain); violated the terms of the Gulf War surrender, planned the assasination of a former U.S. President, collaborated with and harbored terrorists; and was – according to The New York Times - one year away from building and Atomic Bomb before he was finally overthrown.
i guess powell
November 30, 2008 - 13:37 ET by abeautifulpersonshould have brought a spinning wheel.
round it goes. it could land on any of the list. cuz that's all bush has to do: decide to invade and then generate a list.
funny how it was iraq and not a rogue nuclear power. or the country where the majority of the 9-11 terrorist came from.
abp... It was the very same
November 30, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Clear thinkerabp... It was the very same list that Clinton and all of his democrat buddies had in the 90's. Bush just did something about it instead of whining endlessly.
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abp - thank you for proving that you dont read our relpies
November 30, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Free StinkerThe 1st paragraph in my reply were links to *news* articles about WMD found. Not any Bush admin list.
Thank you for proving that you dont read our relpies.
funny how it was iraq and not a rogue nuclear power. or the country where the majority of the 9-11 terrorist came from.
And again you prove your ignorance.
Is the rogue nuclear power you refer to North Korea? Before we debate invading North Korea, you first need to demonstrate you are knowledgable enough to do so. How much North Korean artillary is currently aimed at Seoul?
Also, Saudi Arabia wasn't sponsoring, funding, or hosting "the majority of the 9-11 terrorist"
ABP
November 30, 2008 - 16:26 ET by ahusserWhat's with the hang-up with the Iraq war? It is a nothing war. Not very large or dangerous as real wars go. I feel bad for those killed and wounded but the casualties incurred on our side is relatively minor for any war we have entered and I really dont give a you know what for their casualties. Bush's greatest mistake in Iraq was underestimating the underlying hatred and power vacuum left when we toppled the regime, we thought everything was going to be hunky dory and one should always take into consideration the worst case scenarios in such expeditions. We really don't understand the politics in these 3rd world sh!^holes and the ancient and never ending hatred among clans, sects, tribes or what have you. It takes a lot of dithering on for the folks in the US to recommend and commence any kind of violence but these folks go straight to the point of a gun. I can guarantee you that the late Hussein has killed more of his own people than we have.
Most libs, like yourself, base the total hatred of President Bush on, from what I can see, four things: the iraq war, the patriot act, abu gharib, and Guantanamo Bay. All anti-Bush arguments stem from one of these 4 items and believe me your arguments are lame because all these events are trivial in the extreme as "evil" goes (see Pol-Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Fidel, IdiAmin, Mao, Mugabe, Congo, Rwanda, Sudan, Soviet Union, Syria, Iran to name a few for what true evil is).
Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster
sorry if i can't respond to everyone's comments
November 30, 2008 - 16:41 ET by abeautifulpersonto the extent everyone would like.
i'll conclude with this: iraq was a war that has devastated the country. it could have been handled very differently. and it isn't for the US to impose regime change. it has caused a power vacuum and the blowback is incalculable.
bush has worked very hard to earn my disapproval. but the iraq issue started long before he came along and even before his father's presidency.
one thing is for certain. iraq isn't about evil or satan. its about control. that's it. catcha on another thread.
abp IS A DEMOCRAT, run and hide behind this, beautiful:
November 30, 2008 - 16:57 ET by upcountrywaterJohn Wilkes Booth, a Democrat, assassinated Republican
President Abraham Lincoln for his freeing of slaves, so this kind of
has precedent.
It was the Democrat Party that gave Blacks the poll taxes and literacy tests to keep them from voting… Republican. It
was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement
arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans. It was the Democrat Party
that repealed anti-lynching legislation, yet today their very liberals
are hypersensitive any time a noose appears in public.
If anything, Barack Obama’s presidential candidacy will
spotlight just who’s been the premiere racists in America today, just
as their self-revised history proves it’s always been: the Democrat
Party.
As far as Rendell’s comments, he’s more ignorant than racist. Since “conservative whites” are… conservative, the chances they would vote for a Democrat in the first place is slim.
DEMOCRAT
Aclu</
What a load of bull
November 30, 2008 - 13:21 ET by choselife3xWhy don't you try backing up some of that horse puckey.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
This idiot can't--all he
November 30, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Andrew H.This idiot can't--all he can do is claim we shot civilians, that we knew there were no WMD's, that we have raped their resources, that we have even bombed Sadam's headquarters knowing he wasn't "in" and on and on... we call it bullshit because it is.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
the mistake a foe makes is to be unable to understand
November 30, 2008 - 13:33 ET by abeautifulperson...their opponents.
all bull? sure. not one civilian shot? not one shred of truth in any of those points? naw. no reason for any iraqi to think this way.
"bullshit". well put.
yep, those animals are just evil. that's a good answer.
You say on your account
November 30, 2008 - 13:53 ET by Andrew H.You say on your account that you want others to think. Heh. Civilians are killed in war but you said we murdered them at will without accountability. Exactly what were the farcical hearings and trials for the Marines accused by Murtha for?--to do what?
To think one can ascertain a grain of truth in such a ludicrous statement is the same as suggesting because it is sunny outside, it must be warm.
Why should we have any patience with liars, leftists? They offer nothing and genbrally do nothing. All most do is turn and twist their mouths to utter junk arguments and fall flat anytime actual work is involved.
That's right, most of you are full of bullshit and little else.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
actually both happened
November 30, 2008 - 15:42 ET by abeautifulpersoncivilians were killed accidentally. civilians were killed by iraqi's.
but what i am stating here is (some) civilians were murdered in a series of events. there's nothing ludicrous. its merely a statement of fact. if you choose to deny all those events, that's up to you. if it makes you feel better to call me a liar. it doesn't bother me. i know them to be fact. and whether you have any interest in seeking the information, i have no control over.
its unfortunate that you refuse to consider any of the points. call me names. spit at the monitor. it doesn't change the reality.
this all spins off someone dumbing the entire issue down to 'those people' being evil. the simplification is part of why, no matter how much you pulverize your enemies, iraq will never be a WIN. not understanding the motivation of your enemies and reducing them to caricatures to make it easy to crush them, shows what kind of mess exists which requires sorting out.
not every iraqi has been tortured or murdered. but too many were. it undoes the good trying to be accomplished.
multiple incidents of blackwater mercenaries shooting civilians and others, illegally are well known. does that mean all blackwaters mercs are bad? certainly not. but it happened repeatedly. (read blackwater rising). military complained about blackwater. iraqis complained about blackwater. denying these atrocities or that furious iraqis fabricated such stories in order to rationalize their horrid behaviour does an injustice to the entire situation.
Still
November 30, 2008 - 16:01 ET by Andrew H.Still waiting.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
iraq vets speak out
November 30, 2008 - 17:16 ET by abeautifulpersonhttp://www.democracy...
WOW speaking for .000000000000000000003% of the total..
November 30, 2008 - 17:27 ET by upcountrywaterViet nam DRAFTED
Iraq VOLUNTEERED
abp is a DEMOCRAT
Aclu</
you didn't listen to them did you
November 30, 2008 - 17:32 ET by abeautifulpersonnot surprised. why listen to actual iraq veterans? wouldn't want to taint your opinion of what went on in iraq.
War is Hell, Oh ugly on the inside,
November 30, 2008 - 17:54 ET by upcountrywatersoo you think this should be done then?
abp is STILL a DEMOCRAT
Aclu</
indeed it is hell, so stop it
November 30, 2008 - 20:00 ET by abeautifulpersonthe iraqi govt AND the iraqi people on the street want america out.
i find it hard to believe that newt has such a concern for the iraqi people. with iraq left in such a shambles, still no consistent electricity etc, forgive me it i think newt is full of crap.
why does he talk about the taliban? there is no taliban in iraq? shiites nor sunnis are interested in having the taliban in iraq. the taliban have not gained any kind of foothold in iraq. he is either misleading people either unintentionally or intentionally.
war is hell indeed. more for some than for others. some can simply dismiss war with a stale catchphrase. others live (or die by) it.
you aren't worth talking to
November 30, 2008 - 20:37 ET by choselife3xABP. You won't stay on point with any of your claims because you know if you stop that long you'll be squashed like a bug. Scuttle back under your rock until you grow a pair.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I usually try to stay away from your rants but...
November 30, 2008 - 23:40 ET by mizflame98...there are some things that you said that are innacurate. For one thing you act as if the Iraqi government is kicking us out. Well, if that's the case, why are we staying until 2011 instead of packing our bags and high-tailing it out of there now? Also the citizens that want us gone are the residents of Sadr city which is only 8 sq. miles. Considering the fact that the whole country is 169,234 sq. miles, that's a small area of people who want to kick the soldiers out. But, even if you look at the population level, Sadr City has 2 million residents. If each and every resident in Sadr City wants us gone, that's 2 million out of 29,267,000 residents that comprise the whole country.
Now, with regards to electricity, the electrical infrastructure was failing before we even did the shock & awe according to the L.A. Times:
Iraq’s electricity grid was already in a state of disrepair after years of sanctions when U.S.-led forces invaded in March 2003. The U.S. efforts have added about 2,200 megawatts of daily generating capacity, which now stands at about 5,500 megawatts.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/14/world/fg-solar14
Even if you don't believe the L.A. Times, I found another source of information that is much more reliable:
...The plant is a hodgepodge of cobbled together equipment, mostly obsolete, and underscores the most serious problem in Iraq's electrical infrastructure - that supply for a long time has been unable to meet demand. Last summer's peak demand countrywide was 6600 MW. Most of the available power was diverted to Baghdad, leaving the rest of the country with about 12 hours per day...
...Though engineers on the grid were aware of the deterioration of Iraq's power system before the war, a number of rumors circulated throughout the populace of Iraq to explain why Baghdad did not receive power all day long. One of the most popular was that Saddam sold electricity to Jordan and Turkey...
http://www.baghdadbulletin.com/pageArticle.php?article_id=18
It appears that the electrical grid has been improving since our soldiers arrived. That's even with dealing with insurgents trying to blow up power lines, power plants, oil & gas pipelines, etc. So before you condemn the U.S. for what is going on in Iraq, you might want to do a little research to find out if what you are saying has any merit.
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miz... Getting ready to
November 30, 2008 - 23:50 ET by bigtimermiz...
Getting ready to close out, just caught this, wanted to say thank you...for everything...excellent post.
abp can't help herself, she's a troll, it's what she does.
I'm like you, some days I ignore, some days I don't.
Carry on...as only you can. ;-)
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Right On!
December 1, 2008 - 00:11 ET by mizflame98Have a good night.
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horrid behaviour
November 30, 2008 - 17:08 ET by choselife3xCould you sound any more gay?
Horrid behaviour is: hitting on your friend's wife, kicking puppies, pulling the wings off flies, and taking candy from babies. Murdering people, hacking, burning, and dragging their bodies through the streets to finally hang the smoking remains from a bridge is MONSTROUS.
Were those men they killed personally guilty of harming any innocent Iraqis? Or were they scapegoats for a gang of bloodthirsty murderers?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
'Understanding our opponents'
November 30, 2008 - 14:20 ET by choselife3xIs the point of my original post. While our people go after the aggressors and do their best to limit civilian casualties, terrorists pose as civilians to infiltrate civilian areas and set off bombs to kill innocent civilians. Say what you will, you know Americans don't do things like that. Only criminally insane people do things like that. Indefensible.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You'd think those rabid lefty 'reporters'
November 30, 2008 - 13:49 ET by choselife3xWould have found evidence to back up SOME of those claims by now. You know if they had it would have been screamed from the rooftops.
Funny, they can't seem to find any of those schools we've built either.... Rampant bias anyone? How about treason, aid and comfort to the enemy... These traitors sicken me. Why don't they move there and help those poor, downtrodden, innocent, peaceful Muslims? Wouldn't ABP be lovely with his head tucked under his arm? He'd be able to think more clearly that way, I'm sure.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
abp... Time after time,
November 30, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Clear thinkerabp...
Time after time, you rely on lefist lies in order to debate your points. I suggest you do some real world research and then come back to play with the adults!
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feel free to debunk any
November 30, 2008 - 13:34 ET by abeautifulpersonof the above points.
never happened. none of them?
hmmm....
Let's start with this one:
November 30, 2008 - 13:36 ET by Andrew H.Let's start with this one: who was murdered at Abu Grabe?
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
How do you know we knew
November 30, 2008 - 13:38 ET by Andrew H.How do you know we knew Sadam wasn't at home for shock and awe? Please, tell us.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
nope i'm not wasting another moment on this one
November 30, 2008 - 13:44 ET by abeautifulpersonyou do your own research. or simply dismiss all of it. its easier that way... to deny...
Hillarious and
November 30, 2008 - 13:55 ET by Andrew H.Hillarious and expected.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
How do you know we sold
November 30, 2008 - 13:40 ET by Andrew H.How do you know we sold chemical weapons to Sadam? (I know we didn't because I lived in a city where vitrually all of them have been stored for decades). NOTHING HAS MOVED. Then the leftist idiots tried to stop an incinerator from operating so we could dispose of them. God, gotta love liberals for they are so swell.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
How do know we used
November 30, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Andrew H.How do you know we used depleted uranium in anything? Bull-shit.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
abp... You world class
November 30, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Clear thinkerabp... You world class boob!
You are the one making these outrageous claims so it is up to you to provide the proof of what you claim. Besides, It's obvious you did not take my advice and want to rely solely on lefists lies.
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take your advice, eh?
November 30, 2008 - 16:01 ET by abeautifulpersonthere's no point in presenting information to people who's debating skills consist of calling their opponents 'boobs'.
i am confident with what i know. are you confident with what you don't know?
research my wild accusations. not because i tell you to, but because you are someone who seeks answers.
this is just one place which seems to be a portal to information.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2433242624&ref=mf
its a start. beyond that, you are on your own to be confident with what you know as being all you need to know.
if you want more sites and sources, message me directly.
all the best.
"there's no point in
November 30, 2008 - 20:59 ET by NL207"there's no point in presenting information to people who's debating skills consist of calling their opponents 'boobs"
So far you've avoided any of my replies to your drivel. That speaks volumes about YOUR debating skills.
Your debate technique seems to consist largely of presenting unsubstantiated left wing allegations of wrongdoing by the US, Bush or Conservatives as established fact and then sticking your toungue out at anyone who suggests these statements might lack foundation or any basis in fact.
Then we can address your value structures. You are an obvious moral relativist. By definition, that also makes you and your positions hypocrital. For a moral relativist, right and wrong are situational values. Their definition changes with perspectives. This puts you repeatedly on the opposite side of the same argument around different circumstances. For example, you decry unsubstantiated reports of warrantless invasion of privacy by the US in search of terrorists overseas, yet you turn a blind eye to specific, documented, warrantless invasions of privacy by Democrats operating from within the government here in the US for political gain. Some of us would call this latter item 'abuse of power' in addition to invasion of privacy.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING apb
November 30, 2008 - 21:10 ET by cocodrieFace book is a rederence?
I think your aim was a bit
November 30, 2008 - 21:14 ET by NL207I think your aim was a bit low. Try the post above mine.
But now that you mention it, look at the rest of ABP's references. They are almost all non-authortative rumor factories.
Good evening NL
November 30, 2008 - 21:16 ET by cocodrieI realized that after I posted. I added abp's name to it. My apologies please. Good night I'm going to bed.
almost all non-authortative rumor factories?
December 1, 2008 - 16:39 ET by abeautifulpersonall of 'em eh? how convenient you could figure that one so quickly.
AlterNet: http://www.alternet.org/
consortium news: http://www.consortiumnews.com/index.html
american politics journal: http://www.americanpolitics.com/
counterpunch: http://www.counterpunch.com/
democracy NOW: http://www.democracynow.org/
the Filter: http://thefilter.ca/
global research: http://www.globalresearch.ca/
guerrilla news network: http://gnn.tv/
huffington post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
independent media center: http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml
information clearinghouse: http://informationclearinghouse.info/
inter press service IPS: http://ipsnews.net/
the MODERATE voice: http://themoderatevoice.com/
mother jones: http://www.motherjones.com/
now public: http://www.nowpublic.com/
raw story: http://rawstory.com/
truthdig: http://www.truthdig.com/
truthout: http://www.truthout.org/
journalists ACTIVISTS pundits AUTHORS
noam chomsky: http://www.chomsky.info/
peter B collins: http://www.peterbcollins.com/
daniel estulin: http://www.danielestulin.com/?idioma=en
robert fisk: http://www.robert-fisk.com/
chalmers johnson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson
alex jones: http://www.prisonplanet.com/
or: http://www.infowars.com/
naomi klein: http://www.naomiklein.org/main
michael moore: http://michaelmoore.com/
bill moyers: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
ralph nader: http://www.nader.org/
greg palast: http://www.johnpilger.com/
john perkins: http://www.johnperkins.org/
john pilger: http://www.johnpilger.com/
jeremy schahill: http://www.thenation.com/directory/bios/jeremy_scahill
ron suskind: http://www.ronsuskind.com/
notable BLOGGERS:
chycho: http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/993
spyfor: http://spyfor.blogspot.com/
media AUDIO:
air america: http://airamerica.com/
body of war music: http://www.bodyofwarmusic.com/
this is hell radio: http://www.thisishell.net/
media: BOOKS
the BILDERBERG group - daniel estulin:http://www.trineday.com/paypal_store/product_pages/Bilderbergers.html
blackwater rising - jeremy schahill: http://www.amazon.com/Blackwater-Rise-Worlds-Powerful-Mercenary/dp/1560259795
confessions of an economic hitman - john perkins:http://www.johnperkins.org/john_perkins_books.html
one percent doctrine - ron suskind:http://www.ronsuskind.com/theonepercentdoctrine/
overthrow - stephen kinzer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Kinzer
shock doctrine - naomi klein: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/reviews/highlights
slavery by another name: douglas blackmon:http://slaverybyanothername.com/
the way of the world - ron suskind:http://www.ronsuskind.com/thewayoftheworld/
media PHOTOGRAPHY:
active stills: http://activestills.org/
conflict pics - jason howe: http://www.conflictpics.co.uk/
zoriah: http://www.zoriah.net/
media VIDEO:
body of war: http://www.bodyofwar.com/
brave new films: http://bravenewfilms.org/
daily show: http://www.thedailyshow.com/
FREE documentaries: http://freedocumentaries.org/
frequency clear: http://www.frequencyclear.tv/
hijacking catastrophe doc: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3320922145165829917
media matters: http://mediamatters.org/
subMEDIA [vid]: http://submedia.tv/
who killed the electric car?: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=who+killed+the+electric+car&emb=0&aq=0&oq=who+kill#
why we fight: http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html
walmart, hight cost of low prices: http://www.walmartmovie.com/
winter soldier: http://www.wintersoldierfilm.com/
ACTIVIST groups:
amnesty int'l: http://www.amnesty.org/
avaaz: http://www.avaaz.org/en/
code pink: http://www.codepinkalert.org/
jubilee USA network: http://www.jubileeusa.org/
rainforest action network: http://www.ran.org/
true majority: http://www.truemajority.org/index.php
united for peace: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
the YES men: http://www.theyesmen.org/
WATCHDOGS:
Adbusters: http://www.adbusters.org/
BUSH crime family tree: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_canada pollution watch: http://www.pollutionwatch.org/
condi must go: http://condimustgo.com/
crime_family.htm
corp watch: www.corpwatch.org
exxon secrets: http://exxonsecrets.org/
bill o'lLIElly: http://www.billolielly.com/
greenpeace: http://www.greenpeace.org/
human rights watch: http://www.hrw.org/
PETA: http://www.peta.org/
scorecard POLLUTION corp watch: http://www.scorecard.org/
sieera club: http://www.sierraclub.org/
stop blackwater: http://stopblackwater.net/
stop the NRA: http://www2.stopthenra.com/
RESOURCES:
the BLACK vault: http://www.theblackvault.com/
CIA world factbook: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
fact check: http://www.factcheck.org/
UCB libararies: http://ucblibraries.colorado.edu/govpubs/
world health org WHO: http://www.who.int/research/en/
VENEZUELA specific:
ABN: http://www.abn.info.ve/ver.php?lee=17
chavez watch: http://chavez-watch.com/
hands off venezuela: http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/
kazakh network, hugo chavez news:http://www.kazakhnetwork.com/s/hugochavez/tsindex.html
el libertario: http://www.nodo50.org/ellibertario/english.html
el universal: http://english.eluniversal.com/
university libraries: venezuela: http://ucblibraries.colorado.edu/govpubs/for/venezuela.htm
venezuela analysis: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/
venezuela awareness: http://www.venezuelaawareness.com/
world resources inst: venezuela: http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/population-health/country-profile-194.html
venezuela world: http://venworld.wordpress.com/
Waiting... waiting... The
November 30, 2008 - 13:44 ET by Andrew H.Waiting... waiting...
The propoganda is a long list of alleged crimes and just giving you a chance to start. Umm???
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
He will not answer you.
November 30, 2008 - 14:13 ET by Free StinkerHe will not answer you. Not a straight answer anyway.
He'll trot out some well-worn moonbat talking point and scurry along. But I admire you tenacity in trying to pin this Troll down.
Good luck ! :-)
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Thank you, Free Stinker.
November 30, 2008 - 14:42 ET by Andrew H.Thank you, Free Stinker. I have lost all patience with the immature, uneducated (by choice) and plain old ignorant. They have just won an election and we'll see what happens.
I am more convinced than ever that somewhere around 40 to 50% of our voting population are stupid people.
If we were to imagine what their world would be like or look like if they were all togather in their own country, one can imagine the rest of us would have to feed them to keep them from starving.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
No problem. ;-) And
November 30, 2008 - 14:50 ET by Free StinkerNo problem. ;-)
And you're probably right about the voting population.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
We are feeding them
November 30, 2008 - 14:50 ET by choselife3xI've never yet met a liberal who works with his hands or gives his own money to charity.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Th usual lib PLOY
November 30, 2008 - 15:40 ET by reelman46Pointing at other bad behavior to excuse your bad behavior or the bahavior of those you support is not legit. No sale. Also, posting known factless assertions is not legit.
You are master of both.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
Immature Rebelliousness-----
November 30, 2008 - 12:44 ET by Roscoe MendagoThese two are classic examples of people who have never grown up, they're still in high school. Their immaturity has become a lifestyle.
"What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is going on here?"
I have a free download if
November 30, 2008 - 13:35 ET by Andrew H.I have a free download if anyone wants it--it's an answer to Billy's "No Fufitive Days," from the point of view of many of us who saw fit to serve during Viet Nam rather than play revolutionary (while at the same time getting his degree of course and then on to an Ed.s.)--a joke like he is a joke.
Mine is called "No Fugitive Days ~or~ You're the Not the Center of Evceryone's Universe, Billy Ayers."
Two words for these over-covered creeps. The first starts with an "F," and the second with a "Y."
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Tim... Although I'm glad
November 30, 2008 - 13:36 ET by Clear thinkerTim...
Although I'm glad you wrote this piece, what these two eggheads have said is to be expected. After all, they are committed Communists, and they won't give an inch until our country shreds it's Constitution, and all decisions concerning our private individual lives are decided by party know-it-alls. These two should thank God everyday of their misrable lives for two things. 1. They are not rotting in jail. 2. They are allowed to live in such a wonderful country as ours.
Not My President
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
The Missing Question (always)
November 30, 2008 - 15:36 ET by reelman46Each and every interviewer each and every time they interview one of these modern liberals (secular socialists) should ask (and verify)...
What percent of last year's taxable income did YOU give to charity?
History records these angry socialists with all the answers are among the most uncharitable citizens you will ever meet...yet they get the usual pass on their "personal charity" while they lay guilt trips on the rest of us. More media incompetence.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
"...core the valuing of
November 30, 2008 - 20:32 ET by RR GOP"...core the valuing of human life. All human life."
That outrageous statement needs no further comment.
"U.S. empire machine"
? "empire machine" ? Sounds like something a non-native English speaker would say-and he's supposed to be so highly educated?
Where? What empire is he talking about? We were even kicked out France after saving their butts twice.
"fundamental human needs"
Uh, like what...free dope? Even more sub-prime lending to screw up our economy further? What the hell is he talking about? How is it that these same people are always well off themselves but how many poor people do they allow to sleep inside their homes/mansions during cold winters at least? How is it that they don't give their wealth away to the needy, because, after all, they detest wealth so?
Better yet, why does anybody give them a forum to spread their vile trash around?
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.