CNN's Toobin Seems Puzzled by Difference Between a Gun and a Missile

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Liberal CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin appeared on the Tavis Smiley show on PBS on Wednesday night, and Smiley focused on several "hot button" issues that were largely ignored in the general election: campaign finance reform, abortion, racial preferences, and gun control. Toobin insisted that Obama’s long list of small (and unidentified) donors suggests "there’s less risk of corruption, I think." On Supreme Court picks, he said Obama will pick someone with liberal views on abortion and racial preferences, but insisted that Obama really matches Reagan appointee Sandra Day O’Connor’s views on race. On gun control, Toobin defined the struggle strangely, like he wasn't very smart about weapons: "What's the line between a handgun in D.C. and a surface-to-air missile? I think the courts are going to have to figure that out."

First, Toobin found no need for reform of the current campaign finance system, with the favorable results and all:

SMILEY: The money in this campaign, with all due respect to Barack Obama and the three-quarters of a billion dollars he raised in this campaign, do we need to get back now to a serious conversation about campaign finance reform? Because everybody can't do what Obama did.

TOOBIN: Everybody can't, but the one thing that I think is different about his fundraising that is almost unprecedented is the fact that it came from so many small contributors. Where the risk of campaign finance is that people feel like they own you if they give you a lot of money, but if you get that much money from small contributors, there's less risk of corruption, I think. So he did it well, but the Supreme Court has said that there is almost no way, constitutionally, to restrict campaign spending, so I think we're kind of stuck with the system we have.

What? Actually, the Supreme Court upheld McCain-Feingold, but later trimmed it around some of the free-speech edges. But it didn't say there's "almost no way" for restrictions liberals used to push so intensely to impose.

The conversation naturally turned to Obama’s potential Supreme Court nominations (Toobin’s still plugging his Court book, The Nine, the one with the imaginary thoughts of Clarence Thomas being "furious all the time" in it.) While Smiley suggested he didn’t like the term "identity politics," he wanted to know what role it would play. Toobin suggested that Obama may have to pick a woman if Ruth Bader Ginsburg retires, and will feel pressure to appoint a Hispanic. Smiley was worried that whites who voted for a "post-racial" president might be surprised if he sticks with the racial-quota status quo:

SMILEY: So issues -- every president says "There is no litmus test for my choice for the Supreme Court, and we all know they're lying. (Laughter.)

TOOBIN: Yes, basically. Yes. Yes, yes.

SMILEY: With all due respect. There are certainly issues that matter to them. What issues are going to come to play on Obama's -- President-Elect Obama's list, should he get this opportunity?

TOOBIN: Well, I think there are two big ones. The first is abortion. He will appoint a supporter of Roe v. Wade. He will appoint someone who will say that the Constitution protects a woman's right to choose abortion. He will also choose someone who will say that affirmative action is constitutional, and that issue is really on the knife's edge right now with the Supreme Court. There are really maybe five votes at the moment to strike down virtually any kind of racial preference, whether it's in employment, whether it's in schools.

One of the biggest decisions of the past two years was the court's decision in the Louisville and Seattle school district cases where the courts -- where those school districts, on their own, not forced by any court, said, look, we care about siblings going to school together, we care about neighborhood schools, but we also care about a measure of racial diversity, and the court said no, you couldn't do that. So that's something where I think Obama feels strongly and his nominee will feel strongly as well.

SMILEY: Let me challenge you on that, just for the sake of argument here, on two different fronts. How does he respond to pressure, then, from people who voted for him who thought that voting for him meant that we would live in a post-racial America, that we would not be being counted, that we wouldn't be doing things that speak to racial preferences. Number one, how do you respond to that kind of pressure from certain Americans?

TOOBIN: Well, the argument is -- I don't think Obama said he was against affirmative action.

SMILEY: But he pivoted on that, and I want to come back to that in a second. On affirmative action.

TOOBIN: Right, but what he said and I think what he believes is that diversity is a value in and of itself. One of the most important things in the famous University of Michigan law school case, Justice O'Connor's opinion was that she said, "Look, we need a diverse work force to travel around the world and sell our products. We can't have an all Whites graduating from our law schools, from our business schools. In our military, we can't have an officer corps from West Point and Annapolis exclusively White. Diversity is an affirmative value, not something that we should be ashamed of. Something we should be proud of and work to make possible. So that, I think, is consistent with Obama's message.

On gun control, Toobin just surrendered to his liberal, partisan Inner Toobin and started mocking Antonin Scalia for supporting the Second Amendment with tank and missile analogies, which made him sound a little dim, if he can't distinguish a firearm from a missile: 

SMILEY: What about gun control?

TOOBIN: Gun control is an issue that really sort of exploded on the scene this year, with the decision to strike down the District of Columbia gun laws. What we don't know is how far that decision goes. I think it is safe to say that Justice Scalia would approve of a law that says you can't have a tank in your backyard.You don't have a constitutional right to a surface-to-air missile. What's the line between a handgun in D.C. and a surface-to-air missile? I think the courts are going to have to figure that out. There is some line there but we don't know where it is, and you're right, that's another issue that's going to be percolating through the courts.

SMILEY: In 10 seconds, why did this issue not come up more in the campaign?

TOOBIN: Because swing voters don't care about it. The partisans on both sides care strongly about the Supreme Court, but the people who decide the outcome of elections tend not to care about the Supreme Court.

A better answer: this issue didn't come up because (a) the candidates didn't highlight them, and (b) the media and the general-election debate moderators failed to raise them.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Judicial philosophy

Toobin is hard to take seriously, but he's still a lawyer. Smiley asked him about litmus tests, and they both laughed at the hypocrisy - of course they all have litmus tests. Yet when asked about a supposedly black litmus test (affirmative action), Toobin did his lawyerly best to wriggle out of it.

Aside from Toobin (the less we consider him, the better), we know that Obama's judicial philosophy is little more than empathy. It always strikes me that liberal legislators are concerned that judges show empathy and correct the mistakes of laws created by ... legislators. (One would think they would simply make the laws more empathetic in the first place, but there's no evidence they've bothered to think of that.)

I also find it funny that Obama was rarely questioned about his legal philosophy. The media assumed that he was an expert. I made that same comment to a friend, and my friend countered that maybe the press didn't want to tangle with Obama in an area where he was so much more of an expert than they were. To which I reply: does that mean that the press thinks they're his equals in other areas? Or that they know as much as he does about foreign policy or taxes? (Sure, if you evaluate their knowledge as zero.)

I take umbrage, KC

You presume to question Obama's legal philosophy?

Why, he is an ex-law professor and leading constitutional scholar, my good man, and as such, is beyond reproach. Such an audacious query, it is simply ludicris. I mean ludicrous. 

Here in Oz

Why do I suspect that next you'll tell me not to pay attention to that man behind the curtain, and to seek some ruby red slippers?

Campaign finance reform?

Obama raise a significant % of his $700 million from foreign sources contributing via pre-paid "credit cards". It is virtually  untracable. This is why he made the trip to Europe and the Middle East.

Of course Toobin doesn't want to change the current system. If it had been McCain who won with that much raised, he and all the other "journalists" would be calling for a complete overhaul of the system with madatory "public" funding.

...but the people who decide the outcome of elections tend not to care about the Supreme Court.

That's because the media does it's best to keep them in the dark and blissfully unaware of the ramifications. DC residents know the ramifications. They proved the theory. Make guns illegal and only the criminals will have guns.

 

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

I have never understood how

I have never understood how the likes of Toobin possibly could have ever passed the Bar...he is the perfect legal expert for CNN.

Obama and gun control.
 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

more specifically and with references

Obama and Gun Control

 

member of the Conservative Independant Witness Protection Program since Nov. 5, 2008

To parahrase your headline:

To parahrase your headline: "CNN's Toobin Seems Puzzled by Difference Between His A****** and a Hole In The Ground." Sorry.  Couldn't help it.

...a handgun in D.C. and a surface-to-air missile?

Apparently these geniuses have never heard of The National Firearms Act of 1934, or dozens of national security acts and regulations related to military type hardware.

And...

The "courts" have already decided on this type of issue: the government is well within its regulatory power to restrict and/or license the ownership of heavy weapons and "machine guns".

This is just another straw man argument based on deliberate obfuscuration of the facts and laws already on the books.

dipsticks

The spinning rocking chair

Ruth Darth Vader Ginsberg retire??? She ain't going anywhere anytime soon, unless Mr. G. Reaper shows up.

Think Alan Bates' mummified mother in the attic.

ROFLMAO

too funny! what a vision...!

Gun and missile expert

Barney Frank would like to clear up CNN's Jeffrey Toobin's confusion:

You carry a gun on a date, like when you're at a restaurant, a bar or on the way to his place.

It turns into a missile after the Brie, the wine and the dimming of the lights.

Thank you.

Mica... LOL! Good

Mica...

LOL!

Good one..

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

They're all idiots. 

They're all idiots. 

Law abiding citizen (gun) control

 wotsizname  Common law in this country has ever been that all law abiding male citizens between 16 and 60, together with their personal small arms, constitute the unorganized, or citizens' militia; whether a government EXISTS OR NOT, and for protection of home, self, family, community and country.  As the Declaration of Independence declares, "We hold these truths to be self evident; that ALL men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain UNALIENABLE rights, that AMONG these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.  That to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their JUST powers FROM THE CONSENT of the governed...." I have a God given right to protect my self, family, home and community from all attackers, whomsoever, whether you like it or not.  The second amendment fortifies and preserves the freedom to EXERCISE my first amendment rights.  The government gives me no primary rights; it is our creature, not our god.  It has no primary rights to give or take.  Further, criminals can make their own weapons if necessary.  They will always be armed somehow.  IT MAKES NO SENSE IN ANY WAY TO DISARM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS who obey the laws anyway.  Given the current desires by criminals and domestic and foreign terrorists to attack us, having a way for the weak to defend against the strong makes more sense than ever. 

 For Toobin's information:

 For Toobin's information: A gun is what the Obamiacs will hold to your head if you ever write something bad about the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers.

A missle is what you'll be strapped to if there is ever any justice in this country.

Got it?  Good!

Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you.....

just happy to see me?

No, it's a freakin missile. Hide the kids, stop the presses, pack up the circus cause it's going to blow!

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