NPR's Linguist: 'Socialism' Is An Antiquated Word That Isn't Scary

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Geoffrey Nunberg is a liberal professor of linguistics at Cal-Berkeley and has advised Senator Byron Dorgan and other Senate Democrats on their use of language. He’s the author of the book Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism Into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show. So of course, he’s also a regular on National Public Radio – as a commentator on language for the program Fresh Air with Terry Gross.

On Wednesday’s program he mocked the Republicans for reviving the apparently antiquated word "socialism" as a charge against the latte-drinking left:

But it's been 70 years or more since anybody thought that socialism was a serious political alternative for America. In modern times, the persuasive power of the S-word has always been symbolic, not substantive. As Walter Lippmann once put it, it's one of those words that are meant to assemble emotions after they've been detached from their ideas. And to most Americans, the emotions that socialism stirs up have always had less to do with political theories than with the cast of characters the word has brought to mind from one era to the next, bomb-throwing radicals, super silly parlor pinks, insidious subversives, Soviet thugs, Third World guerrillas, pretentious French intellectuals.

To Joe the Plumber and a lot of other people, the word socialism is still chilling. The ism dismalest of all, as the Chad Mitchell Trio put it in the 1962 song. But it isn't clear that the word still casts a dark spell for those outside the conversations of the right.

Earlier this year, the Harvard School of Public Health commissioned a survey of American attitudes about socialized medicine. It turned out that more people said that socialization would improve the health care system than said it would make things worse. And among people under 35, the proportion of those who approved of socialized medicine was almost two to one. Not that most of those people have a clear understanding of socialized medicine or socialism itself for that matter. Americans have always been a little fuzzy on that concept.

But if you were eight years old when the Berlin Wall fell, the word socialism probably isn't going to sound very toxic to you. Alexis de Tocqueville once said that the last thing a party abandons is its language. But it doesn't happen all at once. It reminds me of what linguists call hearth languages, those dying tongues that are no longer used in the wider world but are still spoken by old women around the kitchen table.

The left has a hearth language of its own, the discarded limbs of the heyday of liberalism. Fifty or sixty years ago, no Democrat could finish his speech without denouncing the Republicans as "reactionaries." Now, that word is barely a tenth as frequent in the press, and it doesn't appear at all in the pages that the Democratic National Committee posts at its website. But it still gets thousand of hits at sites like the The Huffington Post and the Daily Kos, where liberals keep it on life support.

The hearth language of the right is where you find the vocabulary of old style anti-communism preserved in aspic. Take class warfare, another item that's lately reappeared. It's still the first term that conservatives reach for whenever the Democrats proposed tax increases for the wealthy. But it's been a long time since it conjured up images of workers in cloth caps building barricades in the street. Surveying the debris of the Soviet empire in 1991, Irving Kristol, the godfather of neo-conservatism, announced communism is over, and that means that anti-communism is over, too. But linguistically, it's taken a while for that to sink in.

By the way, Brent Bozell took Nunberg apart for attempting to denounce Bernard Goldberg in a 2002 column called "Stupid Media Study Tricks."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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That's why I don't tiptoe

That's why I don't tiptoe through the tulips. I come out and say what I really mean. In an effort to communicate clearly without using manifesto inspired double speak, the correct words are communist or fascist.

"The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property." Karl Marx 

Precisely

Thank you. Exactly correct.

Obama is a Communist, and anyone with half a brain knows it. Republicans in power are afraid to use that word because the one thing they fear the most besides being labled a racist is being labled a "McCarthyite". Bunch of cowards.

Did anyone catch Victoria Jackson and Janine Turner on O'Reilly? Both of them are staunch conservative actors living in a left-wing-nutjob world. While Victoria came across as a little air-headed, she made a point that I felt was very astute:

After calling Obama a Communist, she said something like this: "My mother told me not to use the word Communist on television, to use something like 'Marxist', but didn't Karl Marx write the 'Communist Manifesto'?

That is called "hitting the nail on the head".

Got it

So, Senator Obama is definitely not a socialist, but if he was, apparently it wouldn't be so bad.

That's like trying to sell that Bill Ayers isn't a terrorist, but even if he was, terror bombing was more about activism than terrorism during Vietnam.

Besides...

..he did all his bombing when The One was only 8 years old!

BTW, that had to be the WEAKEST LAMEST excuse that I've ever heard in a race like this.

what is socialism?

This a question that I have - how do you define socialism? Is it taking from the rich and giving to the poor? Or exactly what is it?

In the debate about tax policy, I have seen estimates that between 31% - 43% of people do not pay taxes at all. I have also seen where the bottom 50% of earners contribute only 3 - 4% of taxes.

So is George W. Bush a socialist? And is Obama just more socialistic?

I'm just asking a question that I do not know the answer to - is there some line in the sand where we cross into socialism and we are behind the line right now and will push over it if Obama becomes president?

 

 

Wait a minute.....

Wasn't  the term "socialism" created because "communism" was scary?

Communist Raid

... the brown shirt communist went through Joe The Plumber's records, this is scary!!!!!!!!!!!

»→ KGB investigates Joe

Yeah, but let's make sure we don't listen in on terrorist phone calls.

Bill Ayers needs his privacy.

  • Even if I want to take them [guns] away, I don't have the votes in Congress - B H Obama

KGB???

Klinton/Gore Bureau?

But to your comment - HILLARIOUS! And DEAD-ON!

Thanks to the 'Patriot Act', if you think that it was bad when Hillary was running the country, wait until if and when Obama gets in there armed with the Patriot Act and total controll of both houses in Congress!

PALIN/McCain 2008

Until.....

Until you know what it means, no word is scary.

Communism, cancer, National SOCIALISM (Nazi), Fascism, Pelosi, Reid...... just to name a few.

You Sure Figured Me Out Mr. Nunberg...

Guess I'll have to stop using the word 'socialist' and just say that Senator Obama is a 'thief' who wants to take money from people who earned it and give it to people who didn't.

Senator Obama is a thief and not a socialist.  Will that work for you Mr Nunberg?  Just trying to help.

Socialism is also an

Socialism is also an antiquated ideaology that was proven to be a tragic failure last century, killed millions and destroyed nations socially and economically. Sadly American socialist-progressives (regressives) think they can "get it right this time".

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Obama is a socialist

The idea that socialism is dead, so why worry about it, is disingenuous. It most certainly is not dead. When Obama told Charlie Gibson that he would raise the capital gains tax, despite what it did for capital revenues, simply out of “fairness,” he crossed a political Rubicon from which he cannot turn back.

Is there any relationship between an individual’s creation of wealth and the distribution of that wealth? Should an individual retain 100% of what he earns? The capitalist answer is “mostly,” with major caveats.

  • The individual’s creation of wealth always comes within an infrastructure that society maintains. At the very least, an individual must pay for the support that helped him achieve his wealth.
  • Individuals have experienced downturns in the past. To prepare for those bad times, individuals have cooperated with government in creating safety nets, like unemployment insurance and welfare. To achieve the maximum effect, those contributions are pooled. Pooling resources is a trade-off, and once you agree to it, you surrender any right to a specifiable return.
  • There are other caveats, but you get the idea.

In capitalism, an individual contributes to government only when (and because) it’s in his own strategic interest. He therefore contributes as little as possible, and governments work on the premise that they can tax individuals only when necessary. But with socialism, the government doesn’t care about the individual’s self-interest. In socialism, the government only cares about the most equitable distribution of wealth, unrelated to how the wealth was created in the first place.

In capitalism, the government has no right to your money. It only receives it as a result of a collective strategic partnership between you and other individuals. Obama’s capital gains comment reveals the socialism inherent in his thinking. He thinks it’s his money, and all that’s left is for him to distribute it wisely.

There is no way to square his “fairness” attitude without relying on a socialist philosophy. The moment Obama said that during the debate, the game was over.

Scary words

lol! Wow! I must be living in 1930's Germany or something. Which reminds me.. continuing on with my 'liberal projections' theme... keep in mind that the Kool-Aid drinkers on the left have been calling the Bush adminstration 'Nazis' for years in spite of ZERO evidence to support that idiotic claim... now here comes Obama... hmm...

PALIN/McCain 2008

What's in a Name?

A rose by any other name ...

 "We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

- Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

Obama = Khrushchev

McCain needs to use this quote in his campaign speeches.

PALIN/McCain 2008

Interesting take...

So the word is antiquated... I think the ideaology is antiquated. Funny how "progressives" continue to regress to the "it takes a village to raise a child" belief system. Take the flower out of your hair, pack up the picnic blanket and basket, take the needle out of your arm and the spoon out of your nose... time to grow up.

http://www.southpark...

 

 

Pffftttbb!

Yeah, that'll happen! lol

PALIN/McCain 2008

bomb-throwing radicals -

bomb-throwing radicals - check

super silly parlor pinks -check

insidious subversives - check

Soviet thugs - check 

Third World guerrillas - check

pretentious French intellectuals -check

Prof. Nunberg truly is a cunning linguist. 

Donor list?

Obama's 'online' donor list?

PALIN/McCain 2008

yeah - and future Cabinet

yeah - and future Cabinet appointments!

(not that he's ever going to get to that point) 

where are the Charities??

If Obama jacks up my taxes, the money needs to come from somewhere....my charitable contributions are set to plummet by the same amount. (in addition to the employee we plan to layoff in our small business)

my local shelter, my town's civic fund, my university, my corporate United Way fund, my corporate foundation giving, Americares, the PAL, and so on.  I suspect others are like me.

you charities are all going to get hurt, badly. 

Where are these charities?  they should be screaming from the rooftops that these new taxes are going to kill their businesses? 

Who gets to decide who gets what and when?--

Who gets to decide who gets what and when?--after all administrative costs, of course. This is a profound, fundamental issue that all people have either had to decide or have decided for them: forever. The term "socialism" might be an antiquated word in Nunberg's view, but it's put into practice all around us; the state is the administrator. Throw in a little social justice and a few fairness issues, and you have it. Hillary had a suggestion about ownership last year: "The other day the oil companies recorded the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits. And I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative smart energy, alternatives and technologies that will actually begin to move us in the direction of independence." Of course, Jimmy Carter had the Department of Energy established during his administration to do that very thing, and now, billions later, here we are--energy independent?

Irrespective of all this, the administrative costs of all of this are always excessive. The leadership ( read rulers) always have the best houses, largest bank accounts, best cars, best vacations, best retirements, and the best of eveything else. We, the people, get to pay for it. It never changes.

 

»→ The New Decider

Obviously people will be evaluated on the basis of their ability to contribute to the good of the state.

An Obama Presidency is, among other things, a referendum on the strain our generation will place on our children.

It's much easier to have the state make the pragmatic life & death decisions about the old folks than the children.  The government will ration out healthcare to thin out the old folks.

  • Even if I want to take them [guns] away, I don't have the votes in Congress - B H Obama

CA, getting old (older) is such a pain...

CA, getting old (older) is such a pain. Somehow I've lost all of my guns or I've forgotten where I thought I'd remembered to put them. Oh well, when they come for me, we'll see.

Fine, do you want us to

Fine, do you want us to change it OBAMUNISM instead of Socialism? Either way, it should scare the crap out of America.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

No way!

No way! It isn't over til it's over.

Struck a Nerve

Labeling liberals and Democrats and Obamunists "socialists" has really struck a nerve in the body of the left. They know that it is accurate and true, so they're going to shift the lexicon so they can stand back and say, "Nuh-uh. We're not socialists."

It is not an antiquated term, just an antiquated economic and political system that they want to call progressive.

We cannot let them change the playing field now that we've called them out onto it.

I still think labeling Barack Obama a "socialist" is being kind. He's actually marxist and has been steeped in marxist teaching and philosophy. When I was a student at the local university two and a half decades ago, history and political science professors proudly labeled themselves "marxists." Now, they act ashamed of the label, especially when it is applied to their savior Barack Obama.

I was at Homecoming festivities earlier in the day, and the College Republicans had more of a presence than the Democrat Youth. Of course, we're talking about a Southern college. The Sarah Palin cut-out was very popular.

Oh, that's it. Blame the messenger...

"He’s the author of the book Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism Into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating...Left-Wing Freak Show"

Actually, liberals turned themselves into this. Conservatives merely pointed it out

McNotObama '08

dying tongues

"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

Thomas Jefferson, The Kentucky Resolutions, 1798

Camouflage

Dwayne  P.  Theriot

This is just one more attempt by the Left to conceal something BAD by replacing it with something that seems alright. Like when Obama says no one making under 250,000 or is it 200,000, wait I think its now down to 150,000 dollars is going to get a tax increase. What most people forget is that he also says he will rollback the tax rates to what they were during the Clinton years.  Raising them three percentage points for everyone's tax bracket.

Deadly Deception

Obama is a communist revolutionary trying to destroy our nation (because that‘s what communists do; they‘re whack jobs). On October 29, 2008, he told us how he intends to kill us: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31747_Obamas_Civilian_National_Security_Force#rss

Why do we need another military? Obama hates the military so his idea of national security objectives would never include the military he hates, but it would include a “security force” to fight the military that stands between him and total dictatorial power. Obama’s proposed Civilian National Security Force (CNSF) would be a clone of the communist Soviet Red Army that was used in the Russian civil war to destroy the existing non-communist Russian White Army, and over eight million civilians. The Red Army was led by the communist psychopath Trotsky, who opened the doors for the communists‘ dictatorships and their extermination camps for hundreds of millions around the world.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUScivilwar.htm

Imagine someone like the communist terrorist Ayers, or members of the communist Wade Rathke’s ACORN or SEIU, or Barney Frank, or Rahm Emanuel, or Keith Olbermann, or Raila Odinga, or your local ACLU attorney, in charge of a nearby CNSF regiment. How long would you be safe?

The CNSF would likely be used to fight our existing military, after Obama had ordered them to disarm and disband -- which they would never do. Or Obama would try to unilaterally disarm us of nukes, as he has promised, and use Russian, Chinese, Cuban, Venezuelan, or Kenyan troops as his Red Army “peacekeepers.”

Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome. Samuel Johnson.

Fortune favors the brave. Publius Terence

Electing McCain/Palin will buy us time to do some serious purging of the communists.  If Obama is elected, then they will try to purge us.  Simple. 

Grammar

Now, maybe he can get Obama to understand you use "an" before words that start with vowels.