F Is For Ifill: Gwen Ifill Failed the Moderator Test

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Gwen Ifill, PBS, moderating 10/2/2008 VP debate | NewsBusters.orgThere was one player on the stage in St. Louis on Thursday night that really failed to meet the standard of professionalism and national leadership: moderator Gwen Ifill. Her questions often failed the first journalistic test: they failed to press the candidates to take or defend a stand, instead of letting them unload their talking points. One came across as just plain incoherent: "Governor, on another issue, interventionism, nuclear weapons. What should be the trigger, or should there be a trigger, when nuclear weapons use is ever put into play?" That unfairly put Gov. Palin into a stumbling mode as she tried to figure out: what on Earth was bumbling Ifill trying to say?

While she offered a pile of liberal-tilting questions, Ifill offered Biden only one question from the right, about raising taxes on people making over $250,000 a year: "Why isn’t that class warfare?" Sadly, she didn’t let the sharp question stand. In the next sentence, before Biden could answer, she then went on to slam McCain’s health-care tax proposal as possibly "taking things out on the poor."

But the worst, most politician-indulging questions came at the end. This was the most distasteful question of the night: how would you abandon your running mate’s legacy if he croaked?

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"Probably the biggest cliche about the vice-presidency is that it's a heartbeat away, everybody's waiting to see what would happen if the worst happened. How would -- you [Palin] disagree on some things from your principles, you disagree on drilling in Alaska, the National Wildlife Refuge, you [Biden] disagree on the surveillance law, at least you have in the past. How would a Biden administration be different from an Obama administration if that were to happen?"

Neither candidate was ever going to answer that directly, and each used it as a free pass to make their campaign pitches.

Here’s another Ifill question that was a free pass: tell us what your greatest weakness really is, as opposed to the conventional wisdom.

Let's talk conventional wisdom for a moment. The conventional wisdom, Governor Palin with you, is that your Achilles heel is that you lack experience. Your conventional wisdom against you is that your Achilles heel is that you lack discipline, Senator Biden. What is it really for you, Governor Palin? What is it really for you, Senator Biden?

If people wondered why the debate seemed sharp at the beginning, but lost focus and took on boilerplate barnacles at the end, blame the moderator for unfocused questions that didn’t press the candidates on the issues. Ifill obviously avoided abortion as a topic, since liberals are afraid that could be a strong point for Palin. She also avoided the question of judges and the courts, which could have really generated strong exchanges, as Biden declared his ardor in taking out the Robert Bork nomination.

Ifill seemed to run out of gas so badly that she asked the same question at the beginning and the end of the debate about ending divisiveness in Washington. At the beginning, she asked: "Senator Biden, how, as vice president, would you work to shrink this gap of polarization which has sprung up in Washington, which you both have spoken about here tonight?"

At the end, she repeated herself: "Let's come full circle. You both want to bring both sides together. You both talk about bipartisanship. Once again, we saw what happened this week in Washington. How do you change the tone, as vice president, as number-two?"

You could call it "full circle." Or you could it a complete waste of air time.

Her first question was too open-ended, on the week’s struggle over a bailout bill: "Was this the worst of Washington or the best of Washington that we saw play out?" But the first question is probably the best place for an open-ended question, as candidates get pleasantries out of the way.

Here’s one more badly constructed question from Ifill: "I'm curious about what you think starting with you Senator Biden. What's the greater threat, a nuclear Iran or an unstable Afghanistan?" Both candidates answered "both," a sign that it’s a bad question.

So how many questions leaned to the left? First, there was the hardball at Palin, before Biden could answer his:

"You proposed raising taxes on people who earn over $250,000 a year. The question for you is, why is that not class warfare and the same question for you, Governor Palin, is you have proposed a tax employer health benefits which some studies say would actually throw five million more people onto the roles of the uninsured. I want to know why that isn't taking things out on the poor?"

Ifill’s question on the subprime mess leaned left in avoiding any blame for government policy:

"Who do you think was at fault? I start with you, Governor Palin. Was it the greedy lenders? Was it the risky home-buyers who shouldn't have been buying a home in the first place? And what should you be doing about it?"

Ifill suggested John McCain was opposed to "debt-strapped mortage holders," not in favor of people being responsible for their borrowing and spending: "Last year, Congress passed a bill that would make it more difficult for debt-strapped mortgage-holders to declare bankruptcy, to get out from under that debt. This is something that John McCain supported. Would you have?"

On climate change, Ifill pressed Palin to admit it was man-made, the cockiest contention on the left, instead of asking a question about the potentially onerous regulation of a "solution" to our carbon footprint: "What is true and what is false about what we have heard, read, discussed, debated about the causes of climate change?"

The gay question to Biden clearly came from the left: "Do you support, as they do in Alaska, granting same-sex benefits to couples?"

The Iraq question focused on an exit strategy, and like most liberals, Ifill didn’t discuss a victory strategy, just an exit: "You both have sons who are in Iraq or on their way to Iraq. You, Governor Palin, have said that you would like to see a real clear plan for an exit strategy. What should that be, Governor?"

Ifill also came from the left at Biden on military matters, making him sound like a right-wing war supporter when it comes to humanitarian combat, and suggesting the American people are peaceniks: "Senator, you have quite a record, this is the next question here, of being an interventionist. You argued for intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo, initially in Iraq and Pakistan and now in Darfur, putting U.S. troops on the ground. Boots on the ground. Is this something the American public has the stomach for?"

Ifill also came across as tilting to the left in pressing Palin (twice) to respond to Biden’s charge that McCain wanted deregulation of health care, just like banking. She clearly suggested that Palin needed to respond to the charge, since it was so powerful.

The Commission on Presidential Debates ought to get a low grade for this debate. It selected a weak moderator, and then failed to respond – just like a bobbing and weaving politician – to the conflict-of-interest questions swirling around Ifill’s forthcoming book on the "Age of Obama."

Ifill should not get another invitation to moderate a national debate of this importance, not before tens of other qualified national journalists who have not been so honored.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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how would you abandon your

how would you abandon your running mate’s legacy if he croaked?

I was shocked at that question and its lack of taste.

The questions on what does  VP do were either not worded correctly or just dumb.

I think Ifill had to abandon a lot of initial questions when her book and conflict of interest came up

 

 

 

'cuz it's all about Barack

how would you abandon your running mate’s legacy if he croaked?

Biden: "Gwen, I would never abandon Obama's legacy. I would feel obligated to complete the Barack Obama trilogy to preserve his legacy on the New York Times bestseller list. Gwen, I was hoping you'd be my co-author."

regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.

Gwen, I was hoping you'd be my co-author.

Would not have been surprised.

But, Biden!

"regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person."

 

But Biden stated that the lower and middle classes generate wealth!  he stated it, it MUST be true!

/Sarcasm

I feel Palin answered this question well.  Hopefully well enough to prevent a trilogy of dictatorship from Obama.

 

 

Palin has accomplished great things, while Obama has continued to make empty promises that the world owes you a living.

Gwen Ifill - "Not ready to

Gwen Ifill - "Not ready to lead."

Seems those on the left have a hard time acutally paving the way.  They wait for the wind, soar until the wind dies out, and then wait for another.

They are the perpetual kites.  Too bad we can't make them out to be the cow kites off of Family Guy.

Good report. I guess I'm so

Good report. I guess I'm so accustomed to never hearing questions from the right that I was just glad she wasn't Olberman.

 I'd like to hear "We haven't experienced any warming in the last ten years. In fact we have seen recent cooling. Should we expect taxpayers to take the burden of this theory with all the other concerns they face."

I forgot about ...

the greatest weakness question.  They use it in job interviews and it is the DUMBEST question EVER!  Like anyone is going to be honest about that question.  Um, my biggest weakness is I hat e to work.  I hate it with a passion.  Stupid question. 

Also the gay rights/marriage question was completely out of the left playbook, though Palin answered it like a pro.  What does this question have to do with a VP?

Worst Moderator until they left Olbermann do it (they aren't going to, but it wouldn't surprise me).

This would make a good

This would make a good thread.  Best smart-aleck response to this question.  I have had it asked of me in job interviews myself.  Of course in that situation, you don't want to be a smart-aleck, but one can fantasize....

"My greatest weakness is an inability to suffer fools.  But I thought I was hiding it well.  Guess not, eh?"

 

 

“But maybe you obviously have a better memory about that."- Wolf Blitzer

Stupid question

Its a stupid question and I can't see the point behind it besides how well the person being interviewed can lie.

"For me I have the hardest time getting to work on time.  I just love my bed too much."

My greatest weakness

I heard that question and thought..., wonder how many left-wing questions Gwen had to axe before she found that in 'Interviewing 101"

I agree "F", for no meaningful questions.

"My greatest weakness is that.., gosh darn..., I'm just a such a workaholic"  ;-)

"Oh, and I'm a

"Oh, and I'm a perfectionist to a fault."

"Once in awhile I may be a few minutes late for work, when I'm working at the soup kitchen and collecting clothing for poor children."

Palin actually should've answered Ifill's question with: "I don't suffer fools easily." And left it at that.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

I just work too darned hard

It's an idiot-test. No one serious takes it seriously.

It's like a self-evaluation or peer review, where if you were brutally honest, you'd have to admit that your performance this year was worse than the year before. But if you think you're going to score brownie points for "honesty," and put that on your review form, your boss isn't going to respect your honesty ... he's going to think you're an idiot.

Those Ifill questions all had the same feel. It was lazy jounalism. She was asking the candidates to give free ammunition to critics.

Remember when McCain (who chaired the Banking Committee) popped off about needing to know more about economics, or something like that? Ever since, the media has been asking economic questions like, "You freely admit that you know nothing about economics ..." And every time, McCain has to respond that he never meant that, and he shouldn't have said it that way. He gave his critics a freebie, and now he's paying for shooting his mouth off. Knowing that, why would any candidates reveal anything negative about themselves?

Wonderful Question

I agree. I always thought it was just silly. If you told the truth, like, "Sometimes I can't stop eating peanut butter M&M's until they're gone" or "Sometimes when I'm supposed to be working from home, I actually sit and read and post on NewsBusters all day", then you wouldn't be hired. Or you might tell such an obvious lie like "Sometimes I help the crippled children for such long stretches that I forget to eat and have to be rushed to the hospital", and again, you're not hired.

To ask Vice-Presidential candidates that question is to show a complete lack of ideas. I hope they skip her next time and get friggin Bill O'Reilly. He may be an a-hole, but you know he's going to hammer whomever is up there! "C'mon, Joe, that was a totally stupid answer! Want to try again?"

First example struck me at the time

Asking different questions to each at the same time did not work, thought that the "taking things out on the poor" was below the belt.  As you said the moderator should take blame for not keeping the focus on the question.  

Seemed to me Gwen let him run and kept stopping Sarah. He seemed to get the last word more often too. One other point, Gwen at one point seemed to help Joe with his answer. 

 

Its true

At least twice Ifill cut Palin off in the middle of her answer as she was turing up the heat on Obama/Biden policies.  She was going strong and she stops her to move on to the next question.  Also, didn't Biden get to talk first in the debate and then he also had the last word?  I didn't think that should have been right.  He got the first question of the whole thing and he was the last to say anything.  What was with that?

Crucify me

While you all make valid points, I think Gwen did a good job.  I know.  I know.  Crucify me.  I was red hot when I herd about her book.  Red hot about hearing she didn't even tell the Debate Commission about it.  Double red hot when she used the race card when cornered like a rat.  But she was no Curic or Gibson, and for that we should be grateful. 

I really wonder how she would have managed the debate if there had been no book deal. I guess God only knows.  

I agree with you CS, I think

I agree with you CS, I think she did a good job, but  I also agree it might have been a different story had the book deal not been exposed.

Hi Seashell... Not to

Hi Seashell...

Not to intentionally disagree with you for just the sake of disagreement, but I have watched Ifil for years, in the moderating mode too...she has always been fair in my opinion.

...very sad more in her business didn't have her values or integrity with their jobs.

If they were, we wouldn't have a need for NBs...hehehee

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Bigtimer

You may very well be correct.  To be honest, I don't watch her on PBS, but I have seen her on shows like Meet the Press...etc.and have seen her moderate other debates and don't recall ever thinking her unfair or unprofessional.

I do however think it was sneaky of her not to divulge her intent to write the book to the debate committee.  And keep in mind that almost every other journalist in the msm has literally thrown the careers or at least their integrity under the bus to get Obama elected.  I guess I am (perhaps unfairly) suspect or cynical of all these guys.  Hopefully your right and Gwen is one of the good guys!

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Sorry, I double-clicked on POST.

At the very least...

I think that in the interest of objectivity, Gwen Ifill should have disclosed her conflict of interest at the beginning of the debate.  I really think she should have been replaced, but since they weren't going to do that, she should have made a statement at the start, something to the effect of,

"I just want to make it clear that I have a personal financial interest in Senator Biden winning the debate and he and Senator Obama winning the election, but other than that I intend to present a fair and balanced debate."

At least that would have been HONEST. 

SC... I don't

SC...

I don't disagree...there would of been a lot of ways she could of done this.

Would of, could of...ya' know...

McCain is the top of all of this, it was and is up to him at the end of all of this...the buck stops here scenario.
I know all about the commission that sets this up, Frank Fahrenkopf (sp) and all that...it is still up to McCain to okay it.

He was happy with it...so be it...it fits him perfectly anyway.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Ifill also came across as

Ifill also came across as tilting to the left in pressing Palin (twice)
to respond to Biden’s charge that McCain wanted deregulation of health
care, just like banking. She clearly suggested that Palin needed to
respond to the charge, since it was so powerful.

And if Ifill hadn't allowed Palin to respond (twice), you would have cried foul, too. 

I disagree completely - Ifill was as fair as a liberal can be

Normally if there are any probing questions they are only to the conservative.  What both she an Lehrer did was open the discussion and left it to the candidates to probe as it should be. 

Granted her questions were kind of from a liberal point of view, but they were not obnoxious or demonizing to Republicans.   I was pleasantly surprised with both Ifill and Lehrer.  I think Schieffer will probably be fair as well, but I have serious doubts about Brokaw.  I hope he follows his colleagues.

»→ I agree DEE

I thought she did an excellent job. 

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

It's really the best we can hope for Cool

You can't get rid of all bias.  When it comes down to it, these liberal journalists just don't understand the conservative point of view. 

 

Okay - I stuck up for Ifill here but she gets and F for her MTP

appearance.  She was very biased and slammed Palin. Brokaw the rabid liberal brought up the SNL skit as a whole segment like it had some serious political opinions to be pondered.    Brokaw also brought up what Palin said about being the VP (even though there was nothing wrong with it) and none on the panel brought up how Biden bungled the Constitution.

pardon my ignorance, but...

....what's MTP?

 

And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.   -- Edgar Allan Poe

Meet The

Ahh.  Don't ever watch it,

Ahh.  Don't ever watch it, and now I know why -- "And now, Ifill, let us intellectually analyze SNL" -- that in and of itself ought to be fodder for an SNL skit, but for the fact that it would be making fun of liberal bozos.

 

 

And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.   -- Edgar Allan Poe

I agree -- Ifill wasn't bad

I agree -- Ifill wasn't bad at all -- I would've never known she was liberal, to be completely honest.  I thought she was better than Lehrer, who agitated me with his whole "confront to each other" crap, as if he were trying to incite a fist-fight, which then ended up making Obama look good because he "looked at" McCain while McCain looked dodgy ignoring him.

Why isn't Brit Hume going to be a moderator -- he's arguably the least biased reporter out there.

 

And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.   -- Edgar Allan Poe

agree lotr - Brit Hume would be the best moderator

He's conservative, but he would ask tough questions of both.  He grilled Republicans in the primary debates and he'd do the same in the general. 

Ditto.. "America isn't

Ditto..

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

»→ Double Ditto

Brit Has my vote of confidence.  

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

»→ That question was fixed

Ifill was really asking

Governor Palin, I know you disagree with McCain on ANWR, so that doesn't count.  Give me another instance.

Sen. Biden, just say anything, and you're cool. 

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

Did anyone notice

What Ifill said to Palin when they shook hands immediately following the debate?Her mike was hot and I did hear her tell Biden *twice* that he did a great job. Wondering if Palin got the same accolades....?

 

ft, a belated response regarding Gwen's accident

I just listened to that portion again. It sounded like Joe told Gwen, "You're looking great", and she replied, "Thanks, I feel great."

Gwen had slipped and injured herself on Monday. She arrived (and presumably left) her table via a wheelchair. This is why she wasn't able to rise when Sarah and Joe went to thank Gwen after the debate.

regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.

C'mon

I read articles on here frequently , and frankly I find this one of the least substanitive.

 Example: Tim said Ifill gave Palin a second chance to respond because she thought Biden'ts previous point was so strong. So now we are in the mind reading business here at NB because there isn't enough factual stuff to print about liberals?

The poll on here as well reflected scores across the board on Ifills performance so conservatives here even didn't have a consensus.

Let's keep it real lest this site end up being a fringe hangout.

I disagree with you on this.

I disagree with you on this. Obviously, we can't resort to mind reading, but I think most of these points are valid because there was bias in the handling of this debate. It didn't hurt Palin at all, IMO, and it wasn't the gross bias that the MSM normally throws us. However, the fact that the questions were overwhelmingly left-leaning and the fact that Biden got the first and last word are significant and should not be swept under the rug just because Ifill didn't have any Couric "gotchas" during the debate.

conservative icons

Geeze Tim

Geeze Tim, you're being a bit tough on Ifill, aren't you? I, just like most everyone else around here, was outraged when I found out about her book deal, but I think she did a reasonable job with the debate. We really need to be careful about how much we complain about the little things, lest we start looking more and more like the whiny little Kos Kids, who find outrage and unfairness around every corner. Palin did fine. That's what counts.

You aren't paranoid if someone is really following you.

We find outrage and unfairness around every corner because it REALLY is there. I turned NPR radio off after 30 sec. because the announcer introducing the debate was so biased I was afraid I'd have a bout of road rage!

What was that NUKCLEAR question, to Sarah?? about

A LOONG time ago, a similar question was asked, of a VP canidate.. Goldwaters VP?

This is what lfill was trolling for ( some kind of HAWK answer):

"Oh the H-bomb is just another tool in the arsenal."

Sarah didn't take that road..,

CLIMATE CRISIS

IranianUranium

Last Word

It appeared to me that Ifill gave Biden the LAST word more often than Palin. To me this gave Biden an edge.

Ifill is Human

I'm sure she was aware that every Republican was watching her like a hawk and prepared to throw a red flag the minute she let her bias show. I think she handled herself well...she wasnt a great moderator, but as for as the bias goes, I really didn't see any. As stated in previous posts Biden did get in a couple last words but they were mute points because Palin did a fantastic job. Honestly, I bet a small amount of Americans actually give a rip about the "issues." In my opinion, I think most people watch body language and mannerisms that "connect" with viewers and Gov. Palin was excellent in that aspect. She won, hands down.

Gwen Ifill

That nuclear weapons question was horrible. Even Miss Teen South Carolina thinks that Gwen Ifill is incoherent.  

We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion that the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one.

-Ronald Reagan

I don't read the NY Times

I don't read the NY Times (for good reason), but I did hear that David Brooks, who runs hot and cold, wrote that at the start of the debate, many GOP were hiding behind their sofas, but when Sarah showed how good she was doing, they ended up jumping up and down on the sofa cheering her on.

I think this is how I felt. I'm thrilled she did so well.

Now, that little troll, Couric, needs to televise the rest of her interview. I hear Sarah did pretty well. Of course, the troll chose to air the most hideous portions first leading up to the debate.

Sean Hannity's right, this is the year that responsible journalism died.

Biden bookmarked the debate

What no one seems to be bringing up seems to me to be the most important.

 Biden was given first question and closing remark.  He ended up bookmarking the debate, giving the appearance of an incumbent entertaining a challenger to his position.

 A coin toss apparently decided who went first.  Who decided who went last, and how was it a good idea to have the person going first also have the last remark America heard?

Hard to complain too much after the way Sarah crushed him

Compared to some of the Republican Primary debates she did great, compared to fair and impartial she got a D 

 

Digg this story.

So many comments, so little buzzing on social networks. Please people don’t forget to digg the story if you like it. The buttons are right there at the end of the post. The Huffs and other Dem sites are dominating social sites like digg, yahoo buzz and technorati. We should change that.

The IFill connection

The left wing "IdiotFill" was obviously called to moderate for a reason.  That reason in my opinion was to totally discredit Sarah Palin and fullfill the far left Obama agenda.  

G-wen I-Fail

Now that's got a ring to it.