A few days ago, columnist Kathleen Parker outraged many conservatives with a column suggesting Sarah Palin should resign her vice-presidential nomination because she's clearly out of her league: "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself." Parker's outraged that someone would suggest she's not conservative. But in trying to protest in a new column, she's only digging a deeper hole by comparing herself to the Dixie Chicks and conservatives to Stalinists:
The picture is this: Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs counter to the party line will be silenced. That doesn't sound American to me, but Stalin would approve. Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different than one's own, then we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk. (I hear you, Dixie Chicks.)
Parker, a semi-regular on The Chris Matthews Show, doesn't seem to see how her souring on Palin might look to some like a way to demonstrate "independence" and hence more Matthews bookings. On Sunday, Matthews read from her column and cheeringly noted she was booked.
Just after David Brooks denounced Palin as embarrassing, Matthews noted the first Parker column: "She said this woman has to step down, based upon her performances recently. And she says she’s been getting a lot of good play on this, a lot of conservatives are saying ‘You’re right.’ Kathleen will be here next week."
She got good reviews? ("If BS were currency....") That must have been before the avalanche of "hate." The Romenesko media blog, a popular stop for liberal media elites which rarely highlights MRC or any other conservative media critics, is featuring the new Parker column with the headline "Parker gets 'vicious and threatening' mail after turning against Palin." Liberals certainly agree with Parker's suggestion that Palin supporters are largely an angry, intolerant bunch.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.





















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Boo freakin' hoo hoo
October 1, 2008 - 13:50 ET by greenfairieParker, an admitted Obama fan, broke the Reagan rule and she knew it. It's one thing to say Palin needs to learn how to deal with the hostile national media, it's quite another to demand the GOP throw her under the bus after one interview in a close election race. Parker, like a lot of Northeastern RINO snobs, doesn't get Palin's appeal to the grassroots conservative. She'd rather live under the Obama regime because at least he's a slick and smooth Ivy Leaguer than someone she thinks is beneath her.
Sorry, I don't dole sympathy on Benedict Arnolds. Go see if Katie Couric wants to be your friend now.
Speaking of your last
October 1, 2008 - 19:16 ET by JasonCSpeaking of your last sentence, can someone please explain to me how Palin's embarassing showing on Couric's show is somehow the latter's fault?
Vague references to "gotcha" questions are not sufficient. Examples and explanations of how said questions are out of line would be great.
Thanks.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Tell you what, Jason
October 1, 2008 - 19:54 ET by Indiana JoeRead the transcripts of the interview. Look at the questions. Now, read a Couric interview with Obama, or Biden, or any other leading Dem. Compare the type of questions asked. Ask yourself if they are similar in nature. For instance, "have you stopped beating your wife," versus "what's your favorite color?" I think you'd agree those are not "similar in nature." Now, just to be clear, I am in no way claiming that Couric asked anyone either of those questions. I merely use them as examples of questions that are obviously not "similar in nature." Just want to be clear, you understand.
Use your judgement. That's what we've done, and we've come to our own conclusions. We don't want to brainwash you. We don't want to tell you what conclusions to come to. We don't have to justify our conclusions to you. Make your own conclusions, see where they fall, and get back to us. If you want, that is.
Okay?
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Well, Indy Joe, I've done
October 1, 2008 - 19:58 ET by JasonCWell, Indy Joe, I've done just that and all I see is Palin's ineptitude. That's why I specifically asked for examples/analysis.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Let those have ears hear
October 2, 2008 - 03:47 ET by Dan The Man 2Let those have ears hear and those who have eyes see. You have neither.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
That would be 0 for 2. So
October 2, 2008 - 10:02 ET by JasonCThat would be 0 for 2. So I'll take a stab at it.
Sorry, but "What newspapers/periodicals do you regularly read?" is a total softball question. Just because Palin wiffed it doesn't mean the question was mean. I mean, how is a person unable to even fake an answer to that?
And a VP candidate who's supposedly been rigorously prepped for these appearances ought, I'd think, to be able to provide one example of her running mate's regulatory philosophy, especially considering that that pertains to THE major domestic issue right now.
What was Couric supposed to ask her, what her favorite condiment is for a mooseburger? Which SUV she endorses for taking the kids to hockey practice?
So...can anybody point out an unfair line of questioning specifically and explain why it is unfair; other than "Oh it just is, and if you listened to it with our special liberal bias detector, you'd know it."
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ You're right Freeze
October 2, 2008 - 10:06 ET by Cool ArrowIt was a softball question. She could've said "Field & Stream" "Newsweek" and "NYT" and be done with it.
Of course Biden would have named "Photoplay" "LOOK" and "LIFE" and Katie would have done nothing but give him that same ecstatic schoolgirl longing look.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
That is very funny. You
October 2, 2008 - 10:29 ET by JasonCThat is very funny. You are quite good at mocking Biden's gaffes, I have to say.
But yeah, those would have been the perfect publications for her to mention. Probably good that she didn't say UsWeekly, though...
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Thanks, Jason
October 2, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Cool ArrowI just can't defend Palin's lack of preparation on a few of Couric's questions.
Charlie Gibson's "gotcha" was totally self serving and obviously so when he said "The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it"
My hope is that Gov. Palin has another personality gnawing away at her tether.
I want to see her tear into Biden like a buzz saw. Leave him whimpering in a corner under Ifill's wheelchair (broken foot, I think).
If she needs pampering, McCain picked wrong. Somehow I don't think she needs it. We'll see.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
What?
October 1, 2008 - 22:19 ET by JoelCTOkay, no one chose to call you on your poor post.
I have been reading Kathleen Parker for many years. I find your post to be quite, er, either incorrect or dishonest, depending on if you did any research.
"an admitted Obama fan". - Either provide a link or admit you made that up. I read Parker's columns every week, and never have I read one word from her that she likes Obama any more than the rest of us.
"Northeastern RINO snobs" - This shows ignorance or malice. She was born in the South, was raised in the South, and currently lives in South Carolina. As far as "RINO", start one year back on Townhall.com and read her columns from then to today. Give us a link to a column that you feel implies in any way that she is a Republican In Name Only.
With that said, I also want to say that I wholeheartedly disagree with the conclusion Parker came up with in last weeks' column. She had some valid points, but I do not feel Palin's lack of experience would prevent McCain from winning. But just because we disagree with her conclusion does not give anyone the right to make up lies about her. That is something liberals do about Conservatives with whom they disagree.
You owe this blog an apology. Now.
Useful Idiot
October 1, 2008 - 13:50 ET by TexndocShe writes a hateful column against our Vice Presidential candidate, a good woman and mother and Conservative, gets invited by the likes of Chrissie Matthews (and Keith Olbermann, soon??) to slam Sarah Palin, and to my knowledge would not have the courage to write a similiar vitriolic column against the Messiah, lest her name not be on talk show panels and DC cocktail party invites in the future. F-U, Kathleen Parker.
Did you read it? How is
October 1, 2008 - 19:30 ET by JasonCDid you read it? How is it 'hateful'? Except for the BS fixing the economy line (funny as it was), I thought it was as respectful as a critique of this sort could be.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
If thats Parkers opinion so
October 1, 2008 - 13:53 ET by dark_dsIf thats Parkers opinion so be it. If George Will thinks the same so be it. There are just as many liberals who think that Obama made the wrong pick and slews of dems who think the party nominated the wrong person. So who cares. There is no surprise the media is singling out the Palin doubters. That there are conservatives who have doubts about Palin is fine. It would be nice to say it will all be sorted out on election day but the deck is stacked, not only has Obama more money to work with, his 527 groups have more money but the unfair part is he has the free endorsement and air time of the MSM .. a tough road for McCain to hoe.
OK, you hit one of my
October 1, 2008 - 14:06 ET by HockeyKidOK, you hit one of my peeves. The phrase is, "tough ROW to hoe."
Think about it. You don't hoe roads. You hoe rows, as in garden rows.
Dang city folk. ;) /rant
OK so do you know
October 1, 2008 - 14:11 ET by general companywitch Roe is the hardest to Hoe?
The last one, or....maybe the one in the road : ]
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
how did the ho's get into this...?
October 1, 2008 - 15:31 ET by wizardjrMust be some drive-by rap group contributing again.
ROFL
damn you are right
October 1, 2008 - 15:11 ET by dark_dsyea you are right you dont hoe a road and yea I am city folk small city ;)
how about a putting it differntly ....McCain is going to have a very rough time winning (unfortunately)
Man I'm gonna row my ho any
October 1, 2008 - 17:32 ET by zhombreMan I'm gonna row my ho any way I want that ho rowed.
i will probably regret this
October 1, 2008 - 18:21 ET by porpoiseboybut i can't help myself
how much row could a good ho row if a good ho could ho row?
just askin'
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
A good ho would row all the
October 1, 2008 - 18:31 ET by bigtimerA good ho would row all the row, if a good ho could roll row.
I can't believe I just did that...lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
P-boy,
October 1, 2008 - 19:59 ET by Indiana JoeYou need to check back on the Ifill thread. j. frank is getting ugly, and needs his a$$ kicked.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Good Career Move
October 1, 2008 - 13:59 ET by allanfThere is a big market in Washington DC for "David Gergen Republicans" They can be go to people for someone who needs the "even Republicans ..." line.
af... Bingo! What is
October 1, 2008 - 14:07 ET by bigtimeraf...
Bingo!
What is funny to me is the seriously think the majority of us out here are blind, deaf and dumb.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Great
October 1, 2008 - 14:10 ET by FrenchconnectionGreat observation!
Loud Pipes Saves Lives!
Popeye Doyle strikes again
October 1, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Dan The Man 2Popeye Doyle strikes again
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Smokey and the Bandit - Burt Reynolds to K PARKER
October 1, 2008 - 14:09 ET by JayTeeParker . . do the letters F O bring anything to mind ?
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
"Anyone who dares express
October 1, 2008 - 14:09 ET by mattm"Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs counter to the party line will be silenced."
...as she tries to silence Palin... Libpoprcisy at its finest.
I know first had from a former Democrat that new Dem candidates and newly elected Dems are told what opinions to express. This particular guy told me he wanted to express his position on an issue and was told to say something else instead.
When he objected, he was told "you can have any opinion you want, but you will say what you are told to say and vote how you are told to vote." The Dems are the Stalinists.
mattm,
October 1, 2008 - 20:04 ET by Indiana Joe"Libpoprcisy." Great concept, mind if I tweak it a little?
Hmm... Lypocracy? Libocracy? Lipocracy?
How about LIB-pocracy? May be a winner.
Collaboration... it's a beautiful thing. ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Vicious Mail?
October 1, 2008 - 14:26 ET by IamTinmanSo what? People don't like what she said, that's what happens when you write a political column. If she wanted people to like her she should open a candy store. Threatening mail is a different story, but I'm guessing she's gotten that before from the left.
BTW: The Dixie Chicks are quickly becoming a footnote in political history since "W" has only a few months left in office. That little Bush rant cost them a lot of money and didn't gain them any fans. Something Kathleen Parker ought to consider. Or, she should follow the old maxim "If you can't say something nice about someone don't say anything at all."
»→ Buffet buys a President?
October 1, 2008 - 14:27 ET by Cool ArrowOK, Warren Buffet just pumped $3 Billion into GE (Parent company of the National Barack Corp).
No doubt a shrewd move, given Buffet's ability to influence, but since GE just jumped into bed with Iraq. . .
Is it realistic to think Obama's new daddy will allow GE's interests to be jeopardized by precipitous troop withdrawal?
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
In all fairness, Parker is
October 1, 2008 - 14:47 ET by JasonCIn all fairness, Parker is saying that those who call her a RINO or send her hate mail because she rejects Palin's candidacy are engaging in a tactic that reeks of Stalinism. This is by no means the same thing as saying "Conservatives are Stalinists", especially since it's pretty hard to believe that anyone who's read Parker's columns could mistake her for anything but a conservative. By implying that she was maligning all conservatives or all Republicans, as the headline of this story and half of the comment do, only solidifies her point. Am I any less of a liberal for being not-all-that-excited about Obama or for thinking Michael Moore's films are stupid?
Indeed, if thinking Palin is a bad candidate makes one a traitor to the Republican party, then there is something wrong here. Republican Party history did not begin on August 30, to paraphrase a popular conservative meme. And I have no doubt that Parker would like to see a Republican in the White House. Nonetheless, she is perfectly justified in pointing out that a) it might be less likely with Palin on the ticket and b) if she and McCain did win, it would not be the best thing for the US. "Country First," right?
And let's be frank here. Can anyone actually muster the gall to claim that McCain picked Palin because she brings any sort of political acumen to the table? If he made his choice based strictly on who would be best for the country - not just best for his campaign, and even that benefit seems to be fizzling - Palin would have been pretty far down the list.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason you are an ignorant
October 1, 2008 - 16:02 ET by Dan The Man 2Jason you are an ignorant partisan. Any VP is picked because they have what the Presidential candidate thinks will be good for their campaign and to get elected. The constitution of the USA does not specify any requirements other than being 35 years old and born in the USA.
Governor Palin has a lot of political acumen being elected as governor of the state as a woman and against a Republican incumbent. She was honest and forthright, 2 things I like about her.
Who cares what Kathleen Parker thinks, the public will make the determination who they want as President and the VP pick is inconsequential. I personally don’t like her because she says she is for the Dixie Chicks witch puts her in the idiot category.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
what Kathleen Parker Thinks
October 1, 2008 - 16:54 ET by AvitarI care what Kathleen Parker thinks only because it is evidence of mental illness on her part or social prostitution. What do they pay her for going on Chris Mathews' show?
Chris Matthews is a Stalinist. Years ago, Tip O’Neil sent operatives, like Chris Mathews, into Indiana's eighth congressional district and stole the election after Election Day. Reagan did not fight it because he needed cooperation against the USSR. We however should never forget the ethical standards that Chris Mathews represents…the lowest.
But this isn't about Chris
October 1, 2008 - 17:33 ET by JasonCBut this isn't about Chris Matthews. If I went on Hannity & Colmes and agreed with Hannity that Biden perhaps wasn't a dynamite choice for VP, would I be automatically accepted as a turncoat to liberalism and welcomed to the (republican) party? It's nonsense. It seems to me like Parker's point is that McCain has a better chance of getting elected without the burden of Palin - now that the initial "Oh-My-God-she's-such-a-good-mom-I-have-to-vote-for-her" sheen has worn off.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
jason what are you...
October 1, 2008 - 18:42 ET by porpoiseboysome kind of "sunny day friend"?! even though i think you are dead wrong. but, your contention that mccain has a better chance of getting elected without palin totally forgets the fact that without her or someone like her mccain would be 30points behind. the right does not like mccain. they still don't. they are only putting up with him BECAUSE of palin. and your "now that the sheen is off argument is ludicrous". if that were in any way true, husseinobama should have ditched biden the first time he opened his mouth. by your argument candidates should change running mates like underwear (you are excepted of course ) depending on what happened that day.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
porpoise, I acknowledged
October 1, 2008 - 18:54 ET by JasonCporpoise, I acknowledged elsewhere that Palin's being named pulled McCain way ahead; in response, in fact, to Dan's naive assertion that people will vote for the POTUS of their choice regardless of VEEP. My point is simply that Parker is arguing that Palin, now that she has shown her ineptitude - which will likely be magnified after tomorrow night - will be more a liability than an asset. And that McCain's decision to name her was clearly an election ploy, not a decision based on how she would perform come January.
Did you actually just imply that I don't change my underwear? That might be a knew low for juvenile remarks around here.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
jason
October 1, 2008 - 19:55 ET by porpoiseboymaybe i was just implying you go commando.
and ALL veep picks are picked based on how they will help the ticket get elected not their january readiness. ALWAYS and FOREVER...get real, pal. there is no way based on how palin brought the base together that she will be a liability. they may not win, but it won't be palin's fault if they don't. what ever the outcome i can guarantee she will be responsible for 10-15% of the vote that the ticket gets. what do you think biden's effect will be? 1%, 2%...maybe zero?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
and ALL veep picks are
October 1, 2008 - 20:04 ET by JasonCand ALL veep picks are picked based on how they will help the ticket
get elected not their january readiness. ALWAYS and FOREVER...get
real, pal.
I do not disagree, although DantheMan seems to. My only point is that this does not mean that the practice is above criticism.
there is no way based on how palin brought the base together that she will be a liability
You may well be right. We'll see tomorrow. But I was trying to articulate Parker's position, not my own. Sorry that got muddled.
they may not win, but it won't be palin's fault if they don't.
You're probably right. But again, if nothing else, it demonstrates that McCain is certainly not putting "country first."
Before Palin's RNC speech, I was considering voting for McCain. It would have hurt to pull the (R) lever, but with Palin as a running mate, no way. I won't be all that excited about voting for Obama either, and I live in an emphatically non-swing-state anyway, so it makes no difference, but I'd vote for almost anyone to keep Palin away from the White House.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
LOL,
October 1, 2008 - 20:24 ET by Indiana Joe"Before Palin's RNC speech, I was considering voting for McCain. It would have hurt to pull the (R) lever, but with Palin as a running mate, no way."
Stop it, Jason, you're killing me! I'm sure you "don't care" whether I believe you or not. OTOH, why make a statement if you really don't care if it's believed? But to expect anyone to believe that, after long and careful consideration, and "before Palin's speech," you "considered" voting McCain over Obama, whereas immediately after "Palin's speech" (implied, dude, definitely implied) you changed your mind.... wow! Yeah, I know, you thought McCain might be the better choice, until he made the "fatal mistake" of picking Palin. And you just wanted to point that out.
Wowowow! Don't hurt yourself stretching around like that.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
indiana & thinker
October 1, 2008 - 20:57 ET by porpoiseboythanks y'all. just nice to have a place to speak my mind ( or possibly even bloviate at times ). i love to see how much more well thought out the opinions are here ( generally speaking ) than on some other sites.
i just saw dennis miller on oreilly and he was hilarious! he suggests that in the middle of the debate that palin jump up and pepper spray biden and then exclaim "he grabbed me under the table!" beautiful!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
When have I ever criticized
October 1, 2008 - 21:25 ET by JasonCWhen have I ever criticized McCain's policies? I haven't. I had no problem with him up until the end of August; and his recent antics haven't helped. But Palin could well end up POTUS and that is terrifying. Do not presume to know who I would or not vote for. And I said "considered", not definitely would have. You need to ease off the one-size-fits-all ideologies; you seem to have annointed yourself head-liberal-ball-buster around here and it's not suiting you too well.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Really Jason?
October 1, 2008 - 21:30 ET by BlondeYou think Sarah Palin, a real live person, with a family, who's risen faster than anyone could have imagined, is inferior to Joe Biden, denizen of the Senate, slurper at the public trough for thirty six years?
I'd like to hear how you justify that little bit of a fairy tale.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
A real live person? What
October 2, 2008 - 10:32 ET by JasonCA real live person? What does that even mean? With a family? How is that relevant except to those who buy into her whole Straight out of Ladies Home Journal Hockey Mom persona and think that it pertains in any way to her ability to run the country? Is Biden an ogre because his family was killed in the 70s?
Anyway, see my full response below.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason & Bal
October 1, 2008 - 21:42 ET by MrShyHey lovers, help me out here.
Seriously, I'm not totally clear on what a "political" pick of a VP, or anyone, vs. a non-one is.
Elaborate on what you see were all the motives for McCain to select Palin.
Then, also elaborate on what you see were Obama's full reasonings behind him picking Biden.
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I can only speak for myself.
October 1, 2008 - 21:54 ET by balboaI can only speak for myself. McCain picked Palin because she was young, and apparently an homage to Reagan conservatism, which is not what McCain is at all. Her views and his don't jibe at all. He did not because she has skills or experience that actually work on a worldwide stage.
Suddenly, McCain's ticket is "hip."
Biden was definitely picked by Obama partly for political reasons, because he's got some of the experience that Obama is lacking. He's an experienced statesman.
It was political alright
October 1, 2008 - 22:06 ET by general companyBiden was definitely picked by Obama partly for political reasons, because he's got some of the experience that Obama is lacking
Thats a fact. Biden is white and Obama hasent alienated him YET. Why else would he pick a moron
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Biden doesn't strike me as a
October 1, 2008 - 22:09 ET by balboaBiden doesn't strike me as a moron.
Bal
October 1, 2008 - 22:15 ET by MrShyHahahahahaha.....
Can't quite put my finger on why I'm laughing at that one, but oh yeah, I am. :p
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What do you expect me to say?
October 1, 2008 - 22:22 ET by general companyBiden doesn't strike me as a moron.
I am not suprised at all.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I actually expected much
October 1, 2008 - 22:24 ET by balboaI actually expected much less than that.
Good, I aim to please
October 1, 2008 - 22:33 ET by general companyHave a nice evening
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
are you kidding? not a moron?
October 1, 2008 - 22:24 ET by porpoiseboyjust an idiot that can't control his freakin' lying mouth, then...huh? now maybe not webster's defined "moron" but certainly one deserving of that and many "stronger" tags. how about "sick, pathological liar"? that work for you? i will keep on this until i hear others trumpeting it also. biden has made alot of what people want to call "gaffes". many of them taken alone would be allowed to be called just that. the one that takes me over the top is the one i have heard personally and it disgusts me past even being able to be reasonable. i heard joe soBiden at a politcal rally in iowa alluding to the audience that his first wife and daughter had been killed by a drunk driver. by the reports i've heard it was not the first time. problem? IT"S NOT EFFIN TRUE! what kind of sick F#!K uses the horrible deaths of his wife and child to try to gain political advantage. not the mention that it is documented that he has caused great pain and suffering to the family of the man who ran into his wife's car when she apparantly turned in front of him. can you imagine?!? i cannot fathom electing an sob like this to be "a heartbeat away" from being president. and that is true for me even if obama was the 2nd coming. if mccain had picked someone with this kind of sick resume like biden i wouldn't vote for him either.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
p-boy
October 1, 2008 - 22:30 ET by MrShymo·ron [mawr-on, mohr-] – noun 1.
"a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment."
Oh. He's a moron alright.
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shy
October 1, 2008 - 22:35 ET by porpoiseboyi stand corrected...gladly
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Good
October 1, 2008 - 22:36 ET by general companyJust how I envisioned him, thanks
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Bal may be correct. Biden
October 1, 2008 - 22:36 ET by cocodrieBal may be correct. Biden isn't smart enough to be a moron. He may not even be intelligent enough to qualify as an apprentice moron.
Come on Cocodrie
October 1, 2008 - 22:51 ET by general companyI think we can give him apprentice moron. He is so nice and tries so hard : ]
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Bal
October 1, 2008 - 22:13 ET by MrShySo, translated...
Obama, young, very liberal, and inexperienced, specifically in the area of foriegn policy with most achievements on a very local/Illinois level in the senate, picks someone old, more mainstream from D.C. and in the DNC, and more experienced, specifically in the area of foreign policy, to balance out and complete the ticket.
= OKAY, as this is par for the course of VP picking.
McCain, old, not a hard-right Republican, and experienced, specifially in the area of foreign policy but not so much in the area of oil/energy and the environment, picks someone young, more of a classic conservative and less experienced in the area of foreign policy, but bringing good energy/oil/environment credentials having governed in Alaska, to balance out and complete the ticket.
= BAD... no, wait, according to many lunatic-left idiots, even "the most irresponsible VP pick in history!!"
Sure.
Let's not forget, his pick of her includes the element of one maverick/self-made politician picking someone with a similar record, vs. Obama's of Biden, that truly appears to have no element of the two having anything in common.
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I don't see Palin as having
October 1, 2008 - 22:14 ET by balboaI don't see Palin as having demonstrated she's ready to be VP.
And I... no WE... so many of
October 1, 2008 - 22:21 ET by MrShyAnd I... no WE... so many of us.... don't see Obama as having demonstrated he's ready or at ALL qualified to be P.
How does that comparison -- which is stark, mind you -- escape you?
Again... VP. P. .... VP. P. ......
One is a VP with much less qualifications required, and working UNDER a P. The other must be ready and able to LEAD.
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Governor Palin Get Your Gun
Well for one thing, I
October 1, 2008 - 22:23 ET by balboaWell for one thing, I thought we were talking about the pick of Vice President and why Palin isn't a good choice.
bal
October 1, 2008 - 22:34 ET by MrShyYou're okay with Obama's pick of Biden as VP?
Is that a "bad" choice? "Okay" one? "Good"?
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I think it's a good choice.
October 1, 2008 - 22:36 ET by balboaI think it's a good choice. Not only does it make the ticket more attractive with Biden's experience, I think Biden can do a good job and lend something to an Obama administration.
attractive?
October 1, 2008 - 22:42 ET by MrShyWhat do you mean by "attractive"?
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This is an interesting
October 2, 2008 - 11:00 ET by JasonCcoco, blonde, indy, shy, et al:
This is an interesting trend on NB. On message boards for Sarah Palin stories, on threads that are specifically devoted to her record, background, and current campaign, Palin-supporters seem to be utterly incapable of maintaining a discussion about her. Within five or so post-exchanges, it always seems to manage to turn into a comparison with Obama and/or Biden. As if their shortcomings somehow absolve hers.
Well, fine. If you must know, I'm not exactly keen on Biden either (or Obama for that matter). He does fill in some gaps that might make Obama's candidacy slightly more appealing (foreign policy experience in particular). But, there is at the very least the semblance of evidence that he was picked for what he could do after the election, not just what he could do in the run-up. for at least the third time in as many days, can anyone honestly claim that they think Palin would be McCain's choice if the whole "getting elected first" part was not an obstacle? That she actually brings any sort of states(wo)manship to the table, as opposed to an appealing (to some people) personal narrative?
You can make fun of Biden and call him an idiot all you want; at least his gaffes are superficial. I'd be embarassed about the FDR thing too; but memorization of past presidential terms and the dates on which certain appliances were invented is not going to be the major issue facing the next administration. The economy and a host of foreign policy issues will be, however; and that is where Palin's gaffes have been: substantive issues. And they are not merely gaffes; they are predicated on ignorance, born of a heretofore insular political career. If you want to vote for McCain/Palin because "she's one of us, a regular person", be my guest. And hey, McCain might take the presidency and do great things; I do have faith in him. But the idea of Palin taking the wheel, so to speak, is horrifying. And that is why I have ceased considering voting for McCain. Not worth that risk.
And speaking of, IndyJoe, I'm still waiting for you to dig up an instance in which I've criticized McCain directly, prior to his veep pick. You know, to justify your tirade about how I'm just totally lying about how I liked him before. Think about it; before he selected Palin, he was the reluctant choice of a lot of Republicans. During the nomination, he was the least conservative of the bunch. He opposes torture, he's not a staunch social conservative, his foreign policy experience is good, and, superficially, his POW past is nothing short of amazing. It's difficult to discount out of hand the fortitude of a man who does what he did. Why shouldn't a social liberal/economic centrist/anti-preemptive war leftist find him appealing?
So...that's why your tirade was pure bull. You think that since I have liberal values I have to be some sort of Democratic lapdog. I have nothing but disgust for the self-cannibalizing mess that party has turned into, and I will vote based on the candidate, not the letter next to his name.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason and bal, I implore you both, PLEASE get a room.
October 1, 2008 - 21:45 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Porpoiseboy,
October 1, 2008 - 20:14 ET by Indiana JoeWelcome to NB. I see you're new here. And I'm impressed, not that it means much. We've gotten a lot of newbies lately, and many are just trolls. They can be fun, easy to flame and all. But you handle yourself well. You make some good points, stand up for your ideas, express them well, and you don't let yourself get side-tracked. Nice to see you here.
Now, don't get your arm out-of-joint patting yourself on the back, y'hear? ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Pboy... Just to
October 1, 2008 - 20:30 ET by Clear thinkerPboy...
Just to piggy-back on Indy Joe's comments... welcome aboard and enjoy the ride.
Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!
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Jason you are an ignorant
October 1, 2008 - 17:45 ET by JasonCJason you are an ignorant partisan.
Nice.
Any VP is picked because they have what the Presidential candidate
thinks will be good for their campaign and to get elected. The
constitution of the USA does not specify any requirements other than
being 35 years old and born in the USA.
That doesn't make irrelevant that Palin was picked solely for the identity politics aspect of helping McCain get elected. Put it this way, if the potus picked his VP after the election, and McCain had won, Palin wouldn't even be a consideration.
Governor Palin has a lot of political acumen being elected as governor
of the state as a woman and against a Republican incumbent.
I meant political acumen in terms of stateswomanship, not one's ability to get elected.
She was honest and forthright, 2 things I like about her.
Well huzzah. She also demonstrates, every time she speaks without a script, her total lack of comprehension concerning even the rudiments of economics and foreign policy. And I'm sorry, but I do not buy this canard about the media being too tough with her. It is their job to be tough, and her deer-in-headlights, catchphrase-laden nonanswers just demonstrate her ineptitude.
Who cares what Kathleen Parker thinks,
This always seems to be the conservative response to a harsh op/ed about a conservative icon. People don't care about what she thinks because she's Kathleen Parker (although the fact that this critique is coming from the right is interesting indeed), people care about what she - or anyone - thinks when that person makes persuasive arguments and presents them evocatively.
the public will make the determination who they want as President and the VP pick is inconsequential.
That is naive and off-base to the point of grotesquerie. Obama was way up before McCain named Palin. It was a smart political move, I'm not denying that. Are you claiming, with a straight face, that Palin will not help pull a lot of independent voters McCain's way?
I personally don’t like her because she says she is for the Dixie Chicks witch puts her in the idiot category.
Innocent typo or telling Freudian slip?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
YES! Palin was a
October 1, 2008 - 17:52 ET by balboaYES!
Palin was a political move.
Bal, you have a knack for
October 1, 2008 - 18:01 ET by JasonCBal, you have a knack for cutting through the bull and getting to the heart of the matter which I simply adore.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason
October 1, 2008 - 21:36 ET by MrShyIs that chocolate on your nose?
And we get accused of pom-pom'ing each other on OUR side.
Sheesh.
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Mrrroowwwrr! PFffft!
October 1, 2008 - 21:39 ET by balboaMrrroowwwrr! PFffft!
Very astute, bal
October 1, 2008 - 20:30 ET by Indiana JoeYou made Jason's night!
Now, can you give an example of a VP pick that wasn't a "political move?"
And, while you're at it, an example of an opposing party wanting so much to help "correct" a VP pick "mistake?" Or are we just lucky to have friends like you? ;^)
As someone pointed out on another thread, that used to be called "runnin' scared."
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
All VP picks are political
October 1, 2008 - 20:37 ET by balboaAll VP picks are political -- too an extent. Palin is all political.
And I'm not looking to "help correct" anything.
Bite Your Tongue Parker
October 1, 2008 - 14:47 ET by GothampcKathleen Parker has every right to her opinion. However, she must realize how dangerous it would be to cut Governor Palin loose. McCain would lose the election because it would look like he can't make an important decision. Parker should just bite her tongue. Letting Palin go is not an option.
That train has left the station
October 1, 2008 - 15:27 ET by Agrarian-Decentralist"McCain would lose the election because it would look like he can't make an important decision."
The problem with that logic is that people who recognize Palin's deficiencies already think her pick is evidence of McCain's bad judgment. If he decisively dropped her and picked another conservative -- one with bullet-proof claims of being qualified to serve "a heartbeat away" from a 72-year old cancer survivor --he might actually gain points.
Probably not enough to salvage his candidacy though. Unless sometime between now and November, Obama is caught holding a heart-to-heart talk with Kim Il Jong, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Osama bin Laden, McCain is almost certainly toast.
AG everytime you post here
October 1, 2008 - 16:04 ET by Dan The Man 2AG everytime you post here it stengthens my resolve and says that McCain is doing the right thing. Yep if AG says something do teh opposite and you wont go wrong.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Experience - Deficiencies
October 1, 2008 - 16:59 ET by Gothampc"The problem with that logic is that people who recognize Palin's deficiencies already think her pick is evidence of McCain's bad judgment."
Every candidate has deficiencies. I'd rather have Palin a heartbeat away from the POTUS than Obama as POTUS. Have you seriously looked at Obama's deficiencies?
Palin's Deficiencies
October 1, 2008 - 17:11 ET by AvitarWhat Deficiencies? I keep hear about these deficiencies but I do not see as many as the suggested alternates have.
She has managed in less than two years as Governor to get the construction of a natural gas pipeline started that I know has been stalled for thirty years. She may not have been on the job long but why would anyone consider a short-term success to be a deficiency over a long-term failure like Joe Biden?
Give her four years as President-in-trainning and none of this years Presidential continers will come close to measuring up.
Political Suicide
October 1, 2008 - 18:49 ET by CobraMan"If he decisively dropped her and picked another conservative..."
...McCain would be committing political suicide. You don't "drop" a running mate simple because a few people don't like your choice. The "conservatives" who dislike Palin ALREADY don't like McCain as the presidential candidate, so any choice he makes would be suspect to them and will be subject to ridicule and repeated calls for abandonment.
"Palin is a bad choice." This is the exact same treatment that Bush Sr. received during the Reagan campaign, that Quayle received during the Bush Sr. campaign, that Cheney received during the Bush Jr. campaign, and even Ford received this treatment during the Nixon campaign. I witnessed each of these campaigns and I watched self-proclaimed "conservatives" picking apart these VP candidates and calling for their replacement. Yet what happened to them? They ALL became Vice President. So, the "conservatives" can keep claiming that Palin is a "bad" pick for the VP, that will assure her and McCain's victory in the upcoming election.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
This makes me wonder if she
October 1, 2008 - 14:48 ET by mibrilaneThis makes me wonder if she really understands what "Stalin would approve" really means. Her article wasn't quashed - it was published. People weren't prevented from reading it. People were also free to disagree with her message and were able to complain to her about it without fearing for their lives. What part of that is anti-American and worthy of Stalin's approval?
Yep, and anytime I read
October 1, 2008 - 17:56 ET by Chris NormanYep, and anytime I read claims along the lines of receiving "'vicious and threatening' mail after turning against Palin.", my doubts against the writer's veracity go way up. Claims like that have a distinct smell of fishiness about them...
McNotObama '08
Kathleen: GROW UP!!!!
October 1, 2008 - 15:04 ET by bpjamYou want hate mail? Try actually being a columnist whom the rest of the public has actually heard of (something you hadn't achieved yet), and then call Barack Obama a candidate only plausible because he is Black. Try it in your next column. I double dare you.
As for all the 'death threats' nonsense, grow a pair would you? If you want to us a national publication to spew forth whatever wanders into your head and expect that 300,000,000+ Americans are all going to civilly agree with you as though you have quoted Socrates, well......
Sounds like you got a shot at replacing the next loser at MSNBC. They are desparately on the lookout for somebody who appears to be a 'conservative' but attacks other conservatives. You're a celebrity now. (You'll notice how they all ignored you up to this point, btw). So go ahead and claim your 15 minutes of fame and join Alan Keyes in the dustbin of television history.
I wasn't enamored with your brilliance before (since it somehow never caught my attention) so I won't miss you now that you are gone.
X
October 1, 2008 - 15:17 ET by serfer62Without a TV I relied on print media, now on the web, for coorespondents of trust. Long ago Parker was on the don't-bother-to-read list.It isn't that lately she has made sour comments, she ragged President Reagon without justification too. Entreched media becomes liberal.
She got an invite onto Chris Matthews...
October 1, 2008 - 15:18 ET by ClintACKNot saying she planned this... but if (when) Sarah Palin vastly exceeds expectations in the debate Thursday, won't Ms. Parker be in an excellent position to do a 180 and perhaps even lay into those in the media who had led her to such a clearly false negative impression of Governor Palin?
I'd certainly enjoy watching Chris Matthews's face if that happens...
easily seduced
October 1, 2008 - 15:35 ET by wizardjrThis looks like an Arianna Huff-n-puff moment. Expect her to cross the aisle completely by the election.
What I gathered from
October 1, 2008 - 15:38 ET by mrbucketWhat I gathered from reading the initial column (which had a Liberal friend chortling with glee) is that this woman does not see a future as a Conservative columnist. She sees a future with the fortune and fame that only a lemming for the main stream media can provide. Alas, she's a small fish in a big pond, and to quote an article I read once... "Way Out Of Her League."
I fully understand reader backlash, and this screams of the censorshop complaints from pop culture lefties during Bush's more popular days... That they simply could not understand how everyone didn't take every word as wrote scripture. Most of the arguments made against Palin ARE sexist in nature. Couric and Gibson both had a stream of hardball gotchas that would never be applied to a Democrat offering.
Is Palin out of her league? Perhaps. I believe that she'll grow into the position. John McCain is not the first old President we've ever had, and I find the assumption that he'll drop dead the second he's sworn in to be ridiculous.
I honestly believe that the biggest problem the media, the Left, and most likely this hack blogger over at the National Review have with Palin... is that after 4 to 8 years of experience on the national stage, as VP of the USA - she will be an unstoppable force in the Conservative movement come time for the 2012/2016 elections.
If Obama wins, I give the Democrats 1 or 2 terms in the White House, tops. If McCain wins, I can easily see the Republicans holding the office for the next 16 years, and beyond... as long as they don't start acting like Liberals again.
The Word Is Whore
October 1, 2008 - 16:08 ET by BW222Kathleen -
The correct word for you is not Dixie Chick. The correct word is "whore."
BW222
Somebody hand me the kleenex, quick!
October 1, 2008 - 16:15 ET by PrairieSkyI read through Parker's comment twice, and all I could think of was, "oh, the pooor baaaby". Boo Hoo!
Parker is entitled to her own weird opinion, but she should also be prepared for the consequences that come from what she wrote. Obviously some of the comments directed at her were vicious and out of bounds, and I don't condone them. But, her indignation and self-pity concerning the reaction to her comments are ridiculous.
I don't believe that Ms. Parker is so naive as to not have had any idea of what kinds of reactions her statements would bring. She even goes so far as to identify with the Dixie Chicks, referring to when they experienced a similar reaction when they made the mistake of insulting America, country music fans, and President Bush. Oh, the poor baby.
If Ms. Parker can't stand the heat, then she shouldn't hang out in the kitchen.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Wake Up
October 1, 2008 - 16:39 ET by UtherpendI am wondering what channels all the Sarah Palin nay sayers are watching these days. I would rather have Sarah Palin, a no nonsense, uncorrupted, honorable outsider, than a career politician that has not been successful at anything they did except get elected like Joe Lieberman. Be happy we dodged the bullet and finally nominated someone who will shoot back instead of rolling over and playing dead.
Utherpend
October 1, 2008 - 16:42 ET by MrShyHear, hear!
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We never knew you.
October 1, 2008 - 16:45 ET by MES41067We never knew you.
AKA Kathleen Parker
October 1, 2008 - 16:48 ET by kiwikitI somehow don't really trust self-called journalists who don't even use their own names but pseudonyms. Such is KP as told to Brian Lamb when he interviewed her. She's neither a conservative nor GOP so what else should we expect from her? We've got bigger fish to fry. . . she's just a gnat trying to suck up to Chris Matthews. That alone diminshes her greatly in my eyes.
I never heard of...
October 1, 2008 - 19:33 ET by jawebster1this Kathleen Parker until she dissed Sarah Palin. Perhaps that's the point. Nobody heard of her until she dissed Sarah Palin. Now I am sure she will be invited to tell her opinion on all the Liberal TV shows and if she sticks to her script she will be hailed by those who don't like her and ignored by those who no longer like her. Jim Webster
PDS, perhaps?
October 1, 2008 - 23:53 ET by HillbillyKingCome on Mr. Graham, I gotta say that your post is playin to the home crowd.
You say that Mrs. Parker is "outrage that someone would suggest that she's not conservative." Really? Do you not think that this doesn't describe why she wrote her latest column;
Allow me to introduce myself. I am a traitor and an idiot. Also, my
mother should have aborted me and left me in a Dumpster, but since she
didn't, I should "off" myself.
Those are just a few nuggets randomly selected from thousands of e-mails written in response to my column suggesting that Sarah Palin is out of her league and should step down.
Who says public discourse hasn't deteriorated?
The fierce reaction to my column has been both bracing and
enlightening. After 20 years of column writing, I'm familiar with angry
mail. But the past few days have produced responses of a different
order. Not just angry, but vicious and threatening.
Some of my usual readers feel betrayed because I previously have
written favorably of Palin. By changing my mind and saying so, I am
viewed as a traitor to the Republican Party—not a "true" conservative. (e.m.)
I fail to see any "outrage" at those claiming she's not a conservative. Instead, I see "outrage" at those that suggest death for her as a response to her change of opinion.
Then let's look at the paragraph that comes right before the one you inserted in your post;
Such extreme partisanship has a crippling effect on government, which
may be desirable at times, but not now. More important in the long term
is the less-tangible effect of stifling free speech. My mail paints an
ugly picture and a bleak future if we do not soon correct ourselves. (e.m.)
Now both together;
Such extreme partisanship has a crippling effect on government, which
may be desirable at times, but not now. More important in the long term
is the less-tangible effect of stifling free speech. My mail paints an
ugly picture and a bleak future if we do not soon correct ourselves.
The picture is this: Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs
counter to the party line will be silenced. That doesn't sound American
to me, but Stalin would approve. Readers have every right to reject my
opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die
for having an opinion different than one's own, then we cross into
territory that puts all freedoms at risk. (I hear you, Dixie Chicks.)
Maybe it's just me, but I think she makes a valid point.
Also, I fail to see how she likens conservatives with Stalin? It seems that she is likening those that call for her death, those that describe her as a traitor and those that demand her voice be silenced to Stalin. Also the reference to the Dixie Chicks, in my opinion, is valid. Given that they both received hate mail because of their expressed opinion.
Like I said, I understand that you are playing to the home crowd on this one Mr. Graham. Hell, I enjoy NB as much for the exposure of liberal media bias as for the collection of conservatives that post here. But, this post seems like a slight case of PDS, not the liberal kind mind you, but the conservative type. :-}
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Not to be rude here but...
October 2, 2008 - 00:02 ET by Clear thinkerNot to be rude here but... PDS? Ya think!
Fear And Loathing Of Sarah Palin
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Well....yeah
October 2, 2008 - 01:05 ET by HillbillyKingClear, I do see it as PDS. You know, the conservative version.
When used to describe conservatives is stands for
P = Palin
D = Defense
S = Syndrome
;-}
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
'Nuf Sed
October 2, 2008 - 04:19 ET by azdodger27Hillbilly you are truly the king. I've been perusing these boards and finally find someone who can actually read an article and understand what is written. I can say nothing but "well said, sir".
Damn. Parker comparing conservatives to Stalinists.
October 2, 2008 - 00:31 ET by TeddyOh well, cat's outta the bag now.
Truth be told Kathleen, Sarah was planning to sic her Truth Squad of thugs on you the next time you showed up at WGN radio for an interview.
Then, while you were gonna be busy fighting off their email smears and phone calls in That studio, we were gonna take your kids and tape em' singing "Palin's Gonna Change The World" and "Raisin' McCain" in Another studio, and post those on the net!
Guess we'll have to MoveOn to Plan B though.
The Point
October 2, 2008 - 04:15 ET by azdodger27The point of her second article was how vicious the hate mail was from conservative fans of Palin. I see all the time on here about the MSM and how they focus on this or that and the point should be this or that. Interesting how the point is derived from one's bias and beliefs. I love people who can read something, putting aside their bias, and actually understand what is written. I am always interested in an amazed sort of way how the overall intent can be lost on so many people who read the same article.