Gwen Ifill: Pro-Obama and Anti-Palin

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Friday’s Washington Post carried an ad from PBS touting their two TV debate moderators: "Objective. Impartial. Independent. The NewsHour’s Jim Lehrer and Washington Week’s Gwen Ifill bring PBS’s tradition of integrity to the most important conversations in America – so you can make up your own mind."

Sadly, that ad is not accurate. Even before addressing whether "independence" is demonstrated by Ifill writing a new book celebrating Barack Obama’s bold "Breakthrough," Ifill’s questions in the vice presidential debate in 2004 displayed an undeniable bias against Vice President Cheney.

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For example, she pressed Cheney to attack Democratic nominee John Edwards personally: "President Bush has derided John Kerry for putting a trial lawyer on the ticket. You yourself have said that lawsuits are partly to blame for higher medical costs. Are you willing to say that John Edwards, sitting here, has been part of the problem?"

Ifill then turned around and asked the Democrat if he was feeling pained at the attack she had just requested: "Senator Edwards, new question to you, same topic. Do you feel personally attacked when Vice President Cheney talks about liability reform and tort reform and the president talks about having a trial lawyer on the ticket?"

The PBS host also pressed Cheney with a Tim Russert-style question on Iran: "Mr. Vice President, in June of 2000 when you were still CEO of Halliburton, you said that U.S. businesses should be allowed to do business with Iran because, quote, ‘Unilateral sanctions almost never work.’ After four years as Vice President now, and with Iran having been declared by your administration as part of the ‘Axis of Evil,’ do you still believe that we should lift sanctions on Iran?" Cheney said no, and that in 2000, he was talking about unilateral sanctions, not universal sanctions. Some viewers were put off after the Edwards counterattack, when Cheney said "I can respond, Gwen, but it's going to take more than 30 seconds," and she said "Well, that's all you've got." She said Democrats loved it ("they thought I was being snippy"), but she said that wasn’t her intent.

When Ifill turned to Edwards for a question on Israel policy, there wasn’t an equally tough question for him. She said the U.S. seemed sadly "absent" under Bush: "Today, a senior member of Islamic Jihad was killed in Gaza. There have been suicide bombings, targeted assassinations, mortar attacks, all of this continuing at a time when the United States seems absent in the peace-making process. What would your administration do?"

Ifill’s toughest question to Edwards underlined that he had the least governmental experience of any vice-presidential nominee since 1976. She also pressed Edwards from the left on Kerry’s promise not to raise taxes and their opposition to gay marriage. But her last question seemed designed to aid Kerry: "Senator Kerry changed his mind about whether to vote to authorize the President to go to war. President Bush changed his mind about whether a Homeland Security department was a good idea or a 9/11 Commission was a good idea. What's wrong with a little flip-flop every now and then?"

When Palin was picked, Ifill announced on the August 29 Washington Week that the idea of Palin attracting Hillary Clinton voters was strange: "I want to question that whole theory, why Hillary Clinton voters would actually vote for someone who is so famously anti-abortion, for instance and other issues."

On the September 5 Washington Week, Ifill defined the party's bases as the Clintonites vs. the evangelical far right who were Palin's natural supporters: “I also was struck this week and last week that both parties – and maybe this is what happens after a party convention – but they both came away having played to and sealed down their base. Barack Obama had to take care of his Clinton problem. And John McCain had to take care of his evangelical, far right problem.”

There’s seemingly no end in sight for biased PBS moderators, since Republican debate negotiators keep accepting them, allowing PBS to suggest that decision endorses the false notion of their objectivity and impartiality.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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This Book Will Fail - Along With Obama!

Won't it be wonderful when this book get's published on the day John McCain is sworn into office?

Let's hope Americans rise up against the Marxist/Socialist agenda of this empty black suit and his Democrat morons!

Stop the madness--Stop Obama NOW!

I hope so

though I must admit I am growing more and more concerned that we just might elect a communist... and we all know how well that worked out for chile, 500% inflation.

Our evil plan is all coming together!

Bwaaaahahaha... Our evil plan is all coming together!

Rigged pole numbers - Check

Rigged Debate moderators - Check

Manufactured Hit pieces on Palin - Check

NYT's hit pieces on McCain - Check

Ohio Voter fraud ramping up - Check

Bwahahahaha 

 

The latest pole says that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population.

Mr. Priest:

Would you please provide a link to verify your final statement?

Meanwhile, I think you are confusing the Democrats with Ole BlunderRush's "Operation Chaos."  Wasn't he in charge of the Denver Convention, and responsible for the party's candidate?

frankie,

You really need a link to verify that "3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population?"  

Try a calculator.   ;^D

As far as proving charges, you should hold your side to the same criteria. You don't, you won't, so don't bother claiming you do.

Look it up, as you're so fond of saying. Prove it wrong, otherwise, it's true. Isn't it a bitch when your own tactics bite you back?

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indiana Joe:

Went right over your head, didn't it?

Meanwhile, I do link sources.  For example, regarding the CRA sub-prime lending conversation, I listed numerous sources.

Regarding Ms. Ifill - what sources would you like?  That Sen. McCain can't run a presidential campaign?  That his side agreed to her as a moderator and now the rightwingnutz are up in arms over it - with the debate to take place tomorrow?

So obvious.  Sen. McCain tried to delay his debate until tomorrow - that balloon didn't fly so now Gov. Palin has to go forward with it.  So the new plan is to plan the referee - always the last resort of a very poor team... 

 

Rush's idea was for Palin

Rush's idea was for Palin to make conflict of interest the theme of her debate responses and point out Ifil's conflict of interest as a preface to every one of her responses, which would go on to point out the myriad of Democrat conflicts of interest on every issue.

I agree

But, wouldn't go that far. I would suggest she mention it in her opening and closing speech. Otherwise, the drive by media will attack her for 'hiding from the questions'.

I Agree

Hello 10k

In my humble opinion, I think Sarah Palin should tell them all to take that bias moderator and bias debate and stick it where the sun don't shine. If my fellow Americans don't see through the bias garbage then so be it. Maybe they can get a discount on brown shirts for their kids. 

Livefree or die trying

I can't believe that they

I can't believe that they would even consider someone who is pro-Obama to moderate a debate. Just when I think it can't get any worse it does. I think this debate will be anything but fair.

I'd go that far!!!

"...wouldn't go that far"?

From the Commission on Presidential Debates website (http://www.debates.o...) (bolding added by me):

General Election Presidential Debate

John McCain (R), United States Senator (AZ) and
Barack Obama (D), United States Senator (IL)

Date:    September 26, 2008
Location:    The University of Mississippi
City:    Oxford, MS
Time:    9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Eastern
Sponsor:    Commission on Presidential Debates
Moderator:    Jim Lehrer, PBS
Topic:    Foreign Policy and National Security
Viewership:    TBA
Format:    90-minute debate with candidates standing at podiums. Candidates questioned in turn with two-minute responses, followed by five minutes of open discussion between moderator and candidates for each question.

Vice Presidential Debate

Joe Biden (D), United States Senator (DE) and
Sarah Palin (R), Governor (AK)

Date:    October 2, 2008
Location:    Washington University in St. Louis
City:    St. Louis, MO
Time:    9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Eastern
Sponsor:    Commission on Presidential Debates
Moderator:    Gwen Ifill, PBS
Topic:    All Topics
Viewership:    TBA
Format:    90-minute debate with candidates standing at podiums. Candidates questioned in turn with 90-second responses, followed by two minutes of open discussion for each question. Ninety second closing statements.

General Election Presidential Debate

John McCain (R), United States Senator (AZ) and
Barack Obama (D), United States Senator (IL)

Date:    October 7, 2008
Location:    Belmont University
City:    Nashville, TN
Time:    9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Eastern
Sponsor:    Commission on Presidential Debates
Moderator:    Tom Brokaw, NBC
Topic:    All Topics
Viewership:    TBA
Format:    90-minute town hall meeting debate. Candidates questioned by uncommitted voters identified by the Gallup Organization. In addition, moderator has discretion to include questions submitted online. Candidates questioned in turn with two-minute responses, followed by one-minute open discussion for each question.

General Election Presidential Debate

John McCain (R), United States Senator (AZ) and
Barack Obama (D), United States Senator (IL)

Date:    October 15, 2008
Location:    Hofstra University
City:    Hempstead, NY
Time:    9:00 - 10:30 p.m. Eastern
Sponsor:    Commission on Presidential Debates
Moderator:    Bob Schieffer, CBS
Topic:    The Economy and Domestic Policy
Viewership:    TBA
Format:    90-minute debate with candidates seated at table with moderator. Candidates questioned in turn with two-minute responses, followed by five minutes of open discussion for each question. 

Check out the list of moderators:

  • Jim Lehrer, PBS
  • Gwen Ifill, PBS
  • Tom Brokaw, NBC
  • Bob Schieffer, CBS

They're not even pretending to find non-partisan moderators any more. If there's anyone in politics today who will call shenanegans on this bogus organization and call a spade a spade (sorry, couldn't resist), it's Sarah Palin.  She should come out swinging at the outset, and hit both Ifill and Biden with both barrels (just to throw a mixed metaphor at you all).

I'm tire of being fed crap and told that it's a cheeesburger (http://www.imao.us/i...).

Kahuna

There are persons...who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy...will be merciful.

Thomas Paine, Dec. 23, 1776

Rush is Correct

About halfway through the debate and after the questions clearly favor Biden, Palin should take two minutes and ask Ifill when she will get some softball questions - and of course raise the conflict of interest so that the debate becomes a win-win for her.

 

 

mattm:

There is no "conflict of interest" because everyone knows Ms. Ifill is writing a book.  Actually, anyone seriously interested in her could have learned this weeks and weeks ago.  Unfortunately for the Republicans, they are a bit slow on the uptake...

frank, you got me laughin". Again.

No "conflict of interest" as long as everyone knows Mr. Cheney had financial ties with Haliburton. Right?

Karma:

"Conflict on interest" is one of the those terms people throw around without really understanding ("irony" is another but that's another story).

Everyone knew Mr. Cheney had financial ties to Haliburton (and that he did a fairly crappy job of running it).  Is it a good idea?  Of course not.  Is it a "conflict of interest?"  Not when people know about it.

Laughing. Harder. Now.

Have at it, frank.

Show me where any of them require the "interested party" to wear a mask and go incognito to fill the bill.

So, once again, your beloved current VP could stand on the street corner and rail for endless war and shout, "I'm pushing for war because it fills my pockets!", and no one could accuse him of conflict of interest because he is out in the open about it? Who teached you?

»→ Hey Frank

Suppose you're not gay, (not that there's anything wrong with it, if you are not gay) and you get raped.  Suppose your rapist's wife is a criminal courts Judge.

Are you OK with your rapist's wife presiding over her husband's trial?  Certainly there is that pressure on her to be fair considering her relationship to the Defendant, but wouldn't you have just a little problem with her not recusing herself. 

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

Thanks, CA

You're a much better writey type person than I, and maybe he can understand your scenario better. I just didn't think it would be this difficult to convey the meaning to him.

Cool Arrow:

Are you saying gay folks can't be raped?  Is that like prostitutes can't be raped?  How about wives by their husbands?

»→ No Frank

You're going to have to point out where even the hint of such a silly implication was made.

I didn't realized I'd hit upon a subject so close to home with you that your comprehension would flee. 

Do you still suffer from PTSD?

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

Cool Arrow:

I can certainly understand other people ignoring your comments.  But don't you, yourself, know what you write?

It's right there in your first sentence:

"Suppose you're not gay, (not that there's anything wrong with it, if you are not gay) and you get raped."  [emphasis in the original]

Why do you say "Suppose you're not gay" before writing "and you get raped?"  What difference does it make if one is gay or not if one is raped?

Amazing that I must explain your own comment to you.  Reminds of Sir Charles claiming to be misquoted.  In his autobiography...

»→ None at all, Frank

OK, Suppose you are gay, and you get raped?

Is the concern of "conflict of interest" any different?

I was just supposing, for the sake of my argument, that you're not gay.

Sorry such a supposition offends you.  You're entirely too easy to lead off topic.  But that also means it's extremely difficult to keep you focused.

When you veered off course into this blind alley, it was obvious you had surrendered on the original topic.

Try again sometime, and get some help with that PTSD. 

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

Cool Arrow:

You're attempting an epigonious copy of the rape question famously asked Michael Dukasis.  Seeking to make your point via shock value because otherwise you would be ignored.I'll give you the same answer Mr. Dukasis should have given those many years ago:  You question is offensive and I have not interest in answering it.

 

frank,...

...you're supposed to duck before he lands the knockout blow. Alright now, dust yourself off and learn from your mistakes.

»→ There's Frank

Problems getting back onto NB after outage.

epigonious?  Are you sure you have the right word?

May I suggest you resemble a line from "Howl

who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burning their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,

And who is Michael Dukasis? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt if you misspelled Dukakis twice.

And finally, it's toatlly predictable that you would scratch away at your now sealed crypt,  finally falling back on feigned appall (damn I'm good, doncha think?) that I suggested a scenario so near to your heart.

It's not that you're all that incensed, you're just grabbing for a life preserver that isn't there.  glub glub glub

Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout

Cool Arrow:

You're not attempting to actually say anything, are you?

But, at least, apparently you are amusing yourself.  Doubtless youv'e had plenty of successful experience at that...

Your so bright, NOT.

Everyone knew?  The board that picked her said she did not disclose it nor did she or the board inform the candidates or give an option to reject their choice of moderator. 

 

MB:

Please be so kind as to provide a link to proof that (1.) The board didn't know; and (2.) The campaigns had no say in the debate moderators.  I would appreciate that very much.

If the McCain Campaign

can't property vet a vice presidential candidate, how can they be expected to do their homework on a debate moderator?

It's been public knowledge for weeks (months) that Ms. Ifill is writing a book.  Just because World Net Daily, Sludge and Michelle Malkin just learned about it now it's news?

Whata buncha whiners!

Not the issue

I don't think McCain vetting a vp has anything to do with the fact that Ifill is a Obama supporter and shown her colors in past debates, the book is just icing on the cake and she should be replaced as moderator.  Nice try of bringing up an issue not involved with this story.  Why not tie the "failed Bush policies" to McCain's inability to know Ifill was in the tank for Obama.  No relevance whatsoever.

Meandering (indeed!):

If Ms. Ifill is so one-sided, why did Sen. McCain's handlers agree to her as the debate monitor?

If one accepts the proposition that Ms. Ifill can not be fair - and that's a stretch, to say the least - then it's obvious the very poorly managed McCain campaign made another mistake.  How many times has the senior senator from Arizona had to overhaul his campaign?  Three?  If he can't run this, how can he expect to run the country?

Why defend her if she's unbiased?

So if Ifill is so unbiased, why is she writing a book lauding Obama's unprecedented campaign?  See I can do it too.  I can ask questions irrelevant to the subject.  There are any number of reasons to why McCain group ok’ed Ifill’s placement as moderator.  Maybe the other options were Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews.  Maybe McCain’s so busy working on his campaign and fixing the economy while Obama sits back and reads what his groups hands him.  There are any number of scenarios which aren’t the topic here.  The topic is can Ifill be unbiased when she is an Obama supporter and financially intertwined in his possible presidency?  I don’t think she will be impartial, but now that this has come out about her desires for Obama to become  president she’ll be even more scrutinized, so the pressure is on her.

On another topic, you’re also saying Obama hasn’t overhauled his campaign?  Please, Obama is synonymous with flip-flopping!  He’s against off shore drilling; now he’s for it.  Against the FISA bill, now he’s for it.  Others are public financing, DC gun-ban, Death penalty for child rape and the list goes on.  So let’s not compare overhauls with their campaigns as Obama would lose.  What other issues you want to talk about?  I bet you think Palin wants to ban books and McCain is going to bring slavery back (as Whoopi asked on the View)?  Nice critical thinking.

 

Obama campaign same now as then

Frankie may have a point there. In essence, Obama's campaign has remained true to it's initial themes: cult development/idolatry, obfuscation of all records/relationships, gestapo tactics, and playing every 'card' in the book.

All the flip flops are just 'readjustments.'

SickofLibs:

"Gestapo tactics?"

You lose!

Great thinking Frank. Don't

Great thinking Frank. Don't ever let the truth or reality cloud your mind. Enjoy your universe while you can.

meandering (yes, you are!):

Maybe Sen. McCain can't run a presidential campaign.  Your excuses are just that - excuses.  Sen. McCain is fixing the economy?  He couldn't bring his own party to the table.  Did you notice how many Republicans spoke up for him after his White House summit blew up in his face?

Sen. McCain's handlers agreed to Ms. Ifill - now live with it and stop complaining about it.

When I referred to "overhauling" it was in reference to structure, not positions.  Positions such as Sen. McCain's support for immigration reform - the bill that Candidate McCain said he'd veto.  Sen. McCain was against torture - until Sen. McCain voted for a law that permitted it.  Candidate McCain was going to participate in the public funding of presidential campaigns.  Before he wrote a letter opting out.  And then he's back in because he used the opportunity to collect those funds as collateral for a bank loan - no matter how he did in the primary voting.  And to avoid collecting nominating signatures, of course.  Candidate McCain said the economy was basically sound - until Candidate McCain said we were facing a financial crisis.  Candidate McCain said he was suspended his campaign - until Candidate McCain kept it going.

"Maverick" Sen. McCain wears the Lazy B - the Bush Brand (voting for President Bush 89+% of the time in 2007).  He'd better keep his pants pulled up...

More of this crap j?

Wow I really feel like Glenn Beck in a segment of Arguments Against Idiots here.  Yes, McCain is WORKING on fixing the economy.  I'm glad the first bailout failed.  The REAL FAILURE was the OBAMA and PELOSI couldn't get their party behind that horrid bailout plan.  I thought all you libs stuck together?  I guess some of you were blessed with some intelligence.

I'm not complaining about her selection.  All I'm saying is I don't think she can impartially handle this debate when she hasn't failed to do so in the past.  I'm not whining, I'm pointing out a common MSM fallacy that "journalists" working for or with Obama can remain impartial.

So its ok to overhaul your campaign as long as you overhaul your positions?  So by your logic its ok for someone to change their mind, why is Obama's mind changing ok, but McCain's isn't?  One thing he didn't change was supporting the bridge to nowhere even after Palin used her reasoning skills to realize it was crap, he and Biden still supported it.  This is more of the liberal talking points that don't make sense.  "Look McCain changed his campaign" while congradulated Obama for the same thing.  Just more political games mastered by a child of the always reputable Chicago politcial machine.

When it comes down to it, who do you trust, a crook with crooked and anti-American friends or a National Hero.  Its your choice.

Obama never voted with Bush on anything did he?  Oh wait he did.  Roughly 40% of the time, while he only voted 4% of the time against his own party.  Is that reaching across the isle?  McCain voted against his party 19% of the time.  Meaning if legislation is out there from either party McCain shows the stones to veto it or accept it not due to what his party wants, unlike Obama.  Who's better at working across the isle on important issues and not what their party wants them to do.

Game. Set. Match!

Meandering:

You are so quick to award victory to yourself.  What's the matter - afraid no one else will do it for you?

Meanwhile, your comments are filled with error. Sen. Obama is not, for example, a product of the Chicago political machine.  He's a Hyde Park Democrat, not a Daley one.  Congress took the earmark off The Bridge to Nowhere before Gov. Palin was elected.  She was very willing to spend the money, of course.  Perhaps that's why the bridge has vanished from her stump speech.  Along with the airplane lie.

What precisely has Sen. McCain actually accomplished?  That he still supports? 

Winning is Fun

Its fun stumping you on every topic YOU bring up, but I actually have work to do. So try you debating skills with kindergarteners and eventually you'll work you way up to grown up level. Besides, this entire pointless rabble from you does not support your theory that Ifill will be impartial in the debate tonight.  All you had to say was that she will be under even more scrutiny and every eye in America watching her tonight so any slip up in bias will be seen and thrashed, so she has an even greater need for impartiality.  But instead of talking about the issue, you ramble on about McCain overhauling him campaign and other issues I (and others on this thread) have crushed you on.  So keep spurting out liberal talking points without researching the facts for yourself.  Besides, Daley has worked with Obama on many projects (redesigning public housing and Daley’s brought Obama in on numerous occasions to “talk, but no I’m sure Obama and Daley aren’t linked at all).  Also, what did Palin lie about?  She said she put the airplane on ebay, not that it sold on ebay.  Lying is something Obama does just depending on who he’s talking to. So Enjoy the debate and I’m sure we’ll talk about it tomorrow.  PEACE~

Winning is Fun

Its fun stumping you on every topic YOU bring up, but I actually have work to do. So try you debating skills with kindergarteners and eventually you'll work you way up to grown up level. Besides, this entire pointless rabble from you does not support your theory that Ifill will be impartial in the debate tonight.  All you had to say was that she will be under even more scrutiny and every eye in America watching her tonight so any slip up in bias will be seen and thrashed, so she has an even greater need for impartiality.  But instead of talking about the issue, you ramble on about McCain overhauling him campaign and other issues I (and others on this thread) have crushed you on.  So keep spurting out liberal talking points without researching the facts for yourself.  Besides, Daley has worked with Obama on many projects (redesigning public housing and Daley’s brought Obama in on numerous occasions to “talk, but no I’m sure Obama and Daley aren’t linked at all).  Also, what did Palin lie about?  She said she put the airplane on ebay, not that it sold on ebay.  Lying is something Obama does just depending on who he’s talking to. So Enjoy the debate and I’m sure we’ll talk about it tomorrow.  PEACE~

Meandering:

It would be helpful if your comments actually addressed what I wrote.  Yours clearly don't.  I have no theory about Ms. Ifill's impartiality.

I always do enjoy the long comments about how people don't have to....well, do anything except rant.

In your copious free time, I would suggest you look up "rabble."

Speaking of non-answers...

...how would you classify this? Or were you just rabble-rousing?

Prooves my point!

I have no theory about Ms. Ifill's impartiality.

Thanks for honesty.  This started with the question, Can Ifill be impartial in this debate since she is financially involved with Obama's success.  So since you have no thoughts about this our conversation is done.  I even gave you what you should have said to end the conversation, but you obviously are just poking a bear with a stick.

I've read about you from other posters here and I don't believe you are 40 and live in your mom's garage.  This is obviously fun for you so I will leave you at that.  Enjoy your trolling!

PS~Try working on your critical thinking skills instead of memorizing what the liberal media tells you.

Meandering:

Since you are the expert in these matters: You state as a fact that Ms. Ifill has a financial interest in Sen. Obama's success. How do you know that? Is she being paid an advance for her book? Is her advance vs. royalties? How many first time authors (particularly these days, with hardcover print runs often being just 5,000 or fewer) cover their advances with royalty payments?

 If Ms. Ifill is so

 If Ms. Ifill is so one-sided, why did Sen. McCain's handlers agree to her as the debate monitor?

Probably because Obama refused an unbiased monitor. Isnt that why they are not on FOX. Is it not true that Obama refuses to do any interviews with honest and tough reporters. He gave BOR 40 min, and practicly ran away from that interview without answering squat. Ever occured to you, that McCain doesnt have the ethical problems of the Dems, so all the bias questions in the world cant uncover what isnt there. 

Ever occure to you that honest people dont have anything to hide, and dont care if your wrong

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

truth is frank.....

that you libs are soooo used to having everything "media" tilted on your direction, that you don't see anything wrong with it. i understand. it's been that way for so long that you would be freaked out if it wasn't. in fact you would cry foul if you didn't have the media advantage.  we may call b.s. on it...we do...but we don't really cry about it, we just look for "work arounds".

If Brit Hume were the

If Brit Hume were the moderator and wrote a "John McCain is Great!" book, Mr. "Last Kiss," you would be crying 10 times more than any of us are about Ifill. 

“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)

Same ol Frank

I've been away from this site for awhile but its good to know that some things never change. The first story I read is about another PBS liberal masquerading as a fair and impartial "moderator" and J Frank's best response is to tell us that Ifill is not hiding the book and that all of us should have known she loves Obama. I'm positive that if Kira Wizner, Elizabeth Drew or Barbara Jane Feinberg (all authors of books on McCain)were presiding over the VP debate, J Frank would have no problem with that, in fact he would have already known about their books and therefore assured himself that there was no possibility of bias. Why don't they just let Rosie O Donnell moderate the damn thing and be done with it!

So you've

already read a book that has yet to be published?

Liberal "Debating" Tactic

Liberal "Debating" Tactic 37: Set up a straw man.

Who said anything about having read any book? Only you. Put your straw man back in the closet.

The point is, Ifill has a financial interest in Obama's success in November.

I thought you libs were supposed to be the thinkers...

HockeyKid:

That's quite a stretch (most first time authors make little or no money from their books) - but if it were true, why did the senior senator from Arizona's handlers agree to her role in this debate?

I agree Frank

 That's quite a stretch (most first time authors make little or no money from their books)

Yea your right, not like she is Malkin, Coulter, or Ingram. Not to mention the topic blows too. 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Frank can't help it

Hockey Kid,

Nevermind Frank, facts always get in his way. He has no problem with Ifill's obvious conflict of interest so let's forget him. Anyway, the commision on presidential debates is run by Janet H Brown, who's e-mail address is jb@debates.org, i suggest we all let her know how we feel about this. By the way, just to give you an indication of what's to come, the Oct 7 presidential debate with be "moderated" by NBC longtime liberal hack Tom Brokaw and then on Oct 15, we get CBS snoozer Bob Schiffer.

I emailed Janet

As of now I haven't heard anything back from her. I simply posed the question, can she asure me an America citizen that Ifill will be unbaised and impartial since she is financially envolved with the success of Obama. I would like to receive some verification that she will assure me of a fair and balanced debate.

no frank you idiot,

he was alluding to the fact that it would not be general knowledge that the BIT#&! had written a book that has not even been released yet.  a fact that you alluded to when you said everyone should have know this in advance.  your argument would valid if we were talking about a book that was on the shelves, in fact, there is no way ifill would be moderating this debate if the book was already on the shelves.  and since that is FACT, there is no way she should be moderating now.  and the responsibility rests on the FEC and they should be strongly challenged on this decision.

porpoiseboy:

Didn't take you long to go all racist, did it?  Well, at least you're being honest.  Keep those sheets in your closet instead of on our bed.

If the handlers for the senior senator from Arizona can't do their research, it's too late to complain about it now.  Perhaps they should read the newspaper - AP ran a story in late July that discussed Ms. Ifill's book.

We know Gov. Palin has trouble naming a newspaper or magazine she regularly reads - is that Sen. McCain's problem too?  Or was Rich Davis too busy counting his lobbying money to actually run this campaign?

Hey MORON!

Point to the "racist" remark in the above post. Point to it, and QUOTE IT, you slimey POS, or shut the F#CK UP!

Mods, this is over the line. How much longer do we have to put up with this lying, stupid, abusive, hateful piece of human refuse? He contributes nothing, he knows nothing, he is interested in learning nothing. He's been given more than enough rope, and I, for one, am tired of watching him hang himself. He's now flinging obviously groundless charges of racism. How much lower does one have to go to get the boot here?

<edit: I am SO PO'd by this! And a little disappointed. This has been up for 2 hours, and no one called him on this? I can't find a racist remark in porpoiseboy's post, am I missing something? Giving him a pass for that is just beyond belief to me.>

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

I agree Joe

No passes here. In fact, the "keep your sheets in the closet" comment is flat out offensive and has no place here.

Neo,

Ever read this mutton-head's bio? In it's entirety:

"It's hard to make a living doing water colors and collage;

I'm forty years old and living in my Mom's garage."

Where does he get the nerve to criticize anyone? Moronic, worthless, non-contributing POS, thinking he's exercising some right that he has no friggin' clue about.

Waste of f*cking oxygen. STFU and get a job, you LOSER!

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indiana Joe:

What do you have against collage?  It's a major art form.  Did you know water colour was once an Olympic event?

Shut the F#CK UP, you sub-human POS

Get a job. Move out of the f#ckin garage. Act like a man. After 40 years, admit you're a failure and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, you PARASITE! I knew you were stupid, I just didn't realize how completely bereft of any human decency you actually are! No wonder you can't make it as an "artist," an artist needs a soul!

I'm going to do everything in my power, limited though it is, to get you booted from this site. You're like a disease, infecting everything you touch. We don't need you, we don't want you! You sure don't belong here!You fling around charges like that, and expect to get any respect around here? Not from ME you don't, a$$hole!

I've scraped things off my shoe I have more respect for than you. I've flushed things down my toilet that had more brains. I've cooked and eaten things I had more compassion for. You are completely worthless to yourself and everyone around you, I'm sure.

And if you ever dare try to speak to me again, I'll really get nasty!

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

IJ, it appears the trolls now hold sway here at NB.

Given my encounter with J Freeze last night, I had thought that, just maybe, the admins here would take notice.

It appears I was wrong.

I mean, when you PM an editor here and are ignored, as I was, you really have to wonder.

Dave

Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey

My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm

Dave,

Well, then we'll just have to take care of it ourselves. And I intend to. If they want to keep coming here and taking the kind of abuse I'm prepared to dish out, that's up to them. No pardon. No quarter. No prisoners. All's fair in love and war.

And this is WAR. Lock 'n load.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

IJ, well, Matthew did say that trolls were open season.

:-)

Just be carefull, as speaking from personal experience, there are those here in positions of authority that apparently fear trolls.

Be carefull.:-)

-Dave

Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey

My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm

Dave,

Huh? "Just be carefull, as speaking from personal experience, there are those here in positions of authority that apparently fear trolls."

If you're not just kidding, I'd appreciate some enlightenment.

But really, I don't care. If the mods would rather have Piece Of Wilson here than me, that's their loss. And my awakening. ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

IJ, I'll be PM'ing you shortly.

-Dave

Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey

My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm

Indiana Joe:

Are you brushing your teeth or do you always froth at the mouth?

PS:  I hate to explain a joke, but I'll make an exception in your case.  Apparently you've never heard of The Austin Lounge Lizards.  The collage/garage lines are from one of their songs...

I don't care

You crossed the line, Piece Of Wilson. I froth at the mouth for good damn reason! I don't just argue this stuff "philosophically," I actually have beliefs and values! You wouldn't know anything about that, you weak little sponge.

You are a racist, and a race-baiting, unprincipled lying scumbag. Nothing matters to you but scoring "points" with stupid, insensitive, hateful remarks. No principles, no beliefs, no core. You're empty. There are things in this world worth frothing about, and you exemplify several of them. You're not smart, you're not clever, you're not informed and you're not even self-aware, let alone aware of the reality around you. The arrogance that you need to explain anything to me is so undeserved that it's only topped by the stupidity of your stating it.

It's on, motherf*cker. Keep bringing it. I got tons of this left to go.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indiana Joe:

You want the racist remark?

"BIT#&!" directed to a Black woman is racist.  You really couldn't find that in the comment?  Wow!

 

Wilson... Where the heck

Wilson...

Where the heck do you live? In all the places I have lived, not once has Bitch been considered racist! Or do you not know what the word 'racist' means?

Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!

 

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Frankie....is that all you got?????

WEAK........Since when is "bitch", no matter who it is directed to racist?  Please explain.

There are only two

There are only two known meanings for the word "bitch".

1. A female dog.

2. Hillary Clinton.

Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!

 

 

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LOL...Clear!!

LOL...Clear!!

I might add Frank to that

I might add Frank to that list, 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

LOL..you guys are great!

thanks for the backup guys! but what's all this nonsense about bitch?!?!  sorry i should have expounded that BIT#&! meant "bitter liberal elitist" sorry for the confusion :-)

jayfrank... you weenie, it's  pretty obvious that only a "bitter liberal elitist" would consider their ability to moderate in a "non-partisan" manner given what we now know about her.  and frankly (i have to stop using words with "frank" in them) WHEN we found out about it really does not matter...we know now and are commenting based on the knowledge we now have.  based on what we now know she is one of the LEAST qualified in even the msm to moderate the debate. period.

one more thing....SHE"S BLACK??!!  why didn't you tell me b4?!?!?  i would have been so much more careful.  based on the lyrics in most rap songs penned by husseinobama supporters i thought that BIT#&! was some sort of term of endearment.

sheesh!

 

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

Flipper,

Ya don't mind, do ya? ;^)

Anyway, as you can see, I have zero tolerance for race-baiters. We can't let this kind of thing slide, it's death to free and open debate. People like p. of wilson think they can just toss that out there at will, but it dilutes the impact of any real racial problem. The boy who cried "wolf" and all that.

They are worthless hypocrites, damaging what they claim they are championing, and so desperate to win a stupid debate they don't care how much damage they do, to society or the county. It's a "scorched earth" policy, and it can't be ignored anymore.

I've had it. It's not cute, it's not funny, and it's high time to eliminate it. With extreme prejudice, if necessary.

We should be able to do that here. If not, then there's no retreat from it. Either way, it's time to take it on, head on.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

joe

ahhhh...you called me "flipper"...nicknames on the first day.  lol!   thanks for not using the ef word in your post as i am trying to pretend it does not exist.

 

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

Well, today is different...

I'm usually not this excitable. In fact, further down you'll see me respond to piece O'frank in a more "normal" kind of way. But after I saw his "racist" charge, I saw red.

I firmly believe this is the kind of thing we cannot let slide. It's the last refuge of these unthinking whackos, the "win at any cost" socialists who would happily give this whole country away to be able to pat themselves on the back and assure each other they "done good."

I watch them twist and squirm, bob and weave, duck and dodge every day. They refuse to use logic, they refuse to learn from history, they act like they're at war, and the enemy is anyone who doesn't agree with them. And anything goes against a true enemy. Now, that's one attitude I can agree with them on.

It only takes one to start a war. If they want to have a war, then we better stop laying down and taking it. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is where I'm drawing mine.

But, things aren't usually this agitated around here.

And neither am I.  ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Not true, Clear

All women know the meaning of the word.

Level it at me....be prepared to be knocked on your ass.

Having said that, Frankie's assertion that it is racist is ABSURD!

He better STFU....and not bother me tonite.  I'm in a bit of a mood. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

How about pinch hitting for

How about pinch hitting for McCain next week?

Only a racist would believe

Only a racist would believe that "b*tch" was a racist word.

STFU, frank, you bigoted, brainless POS.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

I'm a racist, you're a racist!

I define "racist" as a white person who doesn't say or do what the MSM or blacks want them to say or do.   I am called a racist on my page nearly every month by liberals because I expect blacks to perform and act as well as other races. They can if they want.

Name calling is always the last refuge of liberals as their arguments don't hold water.  They are long on slogans (Bush lied, people died....Culture of corruption) but short on logic and reason.

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Jeff,

Everything you say is true. And we usually just note that and move on. Well, not this time. 

I'm not letting up on this little loser. He's a pain in the a$$ anyway, and I have no inclination to cut him any slack whatsoever.

This is over the line. It may seem like just a throw-away barb to some, but that's the whole problem. The line needs to be drawn, and this is where I'm drawing it.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Joe, no argument here

At least some of the other trolls sometimes TRY to make sense.....but they never do.

This guy just annoys.  Good luck, you have my vote.  But I do like the Austin Lounge Lizards!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Never heard of them

Guess that officially makes me an "old fogey." I always figured that it was some kind of joke, who would admit such a thing? But, when I'm mad, I'm liable to throw whatever comes to hand. So I took him at his word.

In hindsight, I should have known better.  ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

"Lounge Lizards"...sounds like a ....

definition of ol Frankie.  IJ...I had a huge blow out with him last month, over the pedophile lawyer in the Mass. Legislature that said he would tear the testfying child victims apart, if he were representing that pedophile.  Being a retired cop, this set me off like you wouldn't believe, because I have seen the victims first hand, and for him to defend that scumbag was it for me.........so IJ, I completely understand you outrage. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

BEGRUNT,

Yeah, when you come right down to it, Piece O' Wilson really serves no purpose here. He makes no reasonable points. I can't remember him ever making an argument that anyone could really agree with. He has no reasoning skills I've ever seen. As they say, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while, but I don't think you could say the same about POW. He is a true troll, in every sense of the meaning.

Hell, I think I even had to give Leon some grudging props at least once. At least got a good joke or two out of Leon. But I can't remember ever having agreed with or understood POW. As long as he just harmlessly posted his blather, it was kind of fun to deconstruct him. Practice for the tough stuff, you might say. But I just can't see putting up with this type of garbage. So, let's see him "spin" his defense against this.

I'm sure he's all shocked, "what's the big deal?" To him, it's just another debate tactic, just another talking point. Shows how little he really understands. Well, it only is if we let him get away with defining it that way. And I'm not about to. The fact that he wouldn't understand the depth of outrage at such a statement shows that, when it comes to racism, people like him are not part of the solution.

They're most of the problem.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indiana Joe:

Since you're interested in having a thoughtful conversation about race relations in America, and appear to have a Hoosier connection, I recommend you check out:

http://www.amazon.com/Notre-Dame-Vs-Klan-Fighting/dp/0829417710

My Dad moved to South Bend a few years ago and I sent him a copy.  He found it quite interesting.

No, frank, wrong again

If I was interested in "having a thoughtful conversation about race relations," what makes you think I would look you up? Your willingness to throw that kind of charge around disqualifies you from any pretense of "thought" about racial matters in my book. It shows no thought whatsoever. It reveals someone who just considers racial strife to be a tactic to be used as needed, not someone who is seriously concerned about the problem. You'd rather have it available as a club to beat people with. Hell, you'd rather use it to inflame than try to solve it, who do you think you're kidding? What kind of fool can twist the word "b*tch" to make it a "racist" statement? A desperate fool who doesn't give a damn about decency or "thought," that's the only answer I know.

See, frank, I'm sure you won't get this, but words actually mean things. And this isn't grade-school, where you can "take back" speaking without thinking. It's out there, no backsies. I've cooled off some from the absolutely raw fury that your little sh*t-for-brains stunt roused in me initially. But don't mistake that for any respect for you or desire to converse with you, "thoughtfully" or not. Links, connection, or where your family lives notwithstanding.

I always thought you were long on opinions, short on facts, and pretty much destitute in debating skills. But this exposed you as an absolutely unprincipled loser, beyond any hope of listening to or learning from any sensible debate. You just want to win, in your eyes, by any means necessary, to belittle anyone you can in your attempts to make yourself feel "smart" and "important" and "clever."

It shows you as a very small person, frank. And the only way you can feel big is by trying to cut everyone else down, I guess. And that's as far as I'll go in giving you the benefit of the doubt. The best I can do for you is to pity you.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indiana Joe:

Only a racist would believe that Only a racist would believe that "b*tch" was a racist word.

Frankie,

It would seem that the Commission on Presidential Debates which is supposed to be non partisan, should have been the one who would vet the debate moderator not Governor Palin. 

Obviously in this case they either didn't do their job properly or deliberately appointed a biased moderator.

Also Ms. Ifil knew she was writing a book favorable to the democrat party and its candidate and should have recused herself to avoid even the appearance of favoritism or at a minimum notified the Commission on Presidential Debates of the potential conflict. Not to notify them was highly unethical.

This fiasco doesn't reflect well on either the committee or Ms Ifil. 

 

lam Tinman:

How do you know the CPD didn't vet Ms. Ifill?  How do you know she didn't tell them she was writing a book?

There is plenty of evidence out there that both campaigns negotiated the debates, formats, moderators, etc.  There was an AP story in late July that included information on Ms. Ifill's book - it was reprinted in the Washington Times.  A newspaper I'm sure members of the McCain campaign read each day.  Did they not complete a Nexis/Lexis search before agreeing to this? 

Clearly this was not the decision of Gov. Palin.  She was nominated approximately a month after the campaigns agreed on this debate.  Further, since she has to ask Sen. McCain's permission before not answering a reporter's question ("What did you learn today?") I don't think she would have had a say in this matter.

 

Get off this thread a$$hole

Crawl back into your racist, bigoted slimey hole and leave decent people alone!

This is how it is from now on, you POS. You can run, but you can't hide. Not from this! So you might as well leave.

And take your horse with you, slimeball.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Says who, frankie?

"... can't property vet a vice presidential candidate...." Opinion noted. That's not a fact, although you love sliding it by.

So, your answer is, the media trying to slide in a ringer is fine. No problem. It's up to McCain to catch them and stop them, huh? Just like, if you get robbed, it's your fault for not stopping the thief. Rii-iiight.

Why should it be up to McCain to object? So they can claim McCain is "afraid" of Ifill? So guys like you can accuse him of trying to "rig" the debate, of not wanting anyone except Hannity or Limbaugh? Because you know, and we know, that's the tune you'd be singing if he had objected. Since I say so, it's a fact. Prove me wrong. Your tactics, slick.

I prefer to think McCain has every confidence that Palin can handle it. The fact that we here note it, and object to it, and consider it far from fair and honest doesn't mean that McCain and Palin aren't aware of it. If you think your assumption of that makes that a fact, then my assumption otherwise makes that a fact. So, either we're both quoting facts, or we're both expressing opinions. And I know which opinions I put more stock in.

Finished yet, super-genius?  

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

So, expectations for the moderator are lower than Palin's ?

Thanks for the Info Tim G., It just keeps getting worse . . .for Journalistic integrity.
Palin still has the Advantage over the Senator . . . she's an outsider not related to ANY DC votes .
Palin is a Mother, Ifill is a Mutha . . another advantage.

The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

It really shows how empty and vacant Obama really is

The liberals feel that there is no way he can win in a fair race, so they have pulled out all the stops in order to try and 'cook the books' and fix the results so that their candidate wins.

It's so blatant that it's becoming humorous. With all of this media bias and all the bashing of Governor Palin, Obama and Biden are only a few points ahead in polls that sample significantly more democrats than republicans.

This latest stacking of the deck is just more of the same kind of desperate electioneering.

 

You want change? Give me a dollar.

More like gwen aweful,

More like gwen aweful, propoganda minister of the future obama regime.

When are the conservative 527s going to start churning out truth ads about obama's past and the true reality of the mortgage mess?

The fact that no one in the

The fact that no one in the media finds anything wrong with this picture is just plain astounding! But it should convince all of us once and for all, we will lose. We can preach to the choir about the MSM, but it will do no good. John McCain sees nothing wrong with Eifel. He stares into the camera like a deer in the headlights and says he has no trouble sending his running mate into this trap. For a man that is touted as war hero, he doesn't look that brave to me and more than that he shows no concern for Palin. He appears to be resigned to losing and is protecting his senate seat.

Call PBS

We should call PBS and ask that Ifill recuse herself!

Paula Kerger is the CEO. Her number is 703-739-8619

 

 

 

Would I get a PBS tote

Would I get a PBS tote bag?

Last time I contributed to PBS was I think 1982; the tote bag I got then is pretty much shot. 

Newt should have been

Newt should have been prepping Palin for this debate!

Who agreed to this

Now I know that McCain did not know about her book but please, she has a long history of pro-liberal bias and I can't figure out why McCain agreed to her as moderator, don't the campaigns have any say in who moderates these debates?

I guess the fix is in and it's looking more like we're going to have a proven socialist in the White House come Jan 20, 2009, hell in a few years we'll probably be under sharia law because I sincerely believe that obama is more muslim than Christian.

God have Mercy on our Country!

Tom.. I agree with

Tom..

I agree with you..

Plus look at this info on Obama, and nothing, nothing is ever said.

This is illegal.

...yet silence from our side of the aisle.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I saw it bt

I feel like the leaders on our side of the aisle have the backbone of a jellyfish. There are so many scandals and skeletons in the democrats closet that are just begging to be exposed and they just turn a blind eye to it all, makes me want to puke

We need to have term limits on the congress just like the President, get rid of the dead weight and get some new blood in there! 

Who agreed to this

I agree with you Tom. He is a Muslim turned Christian to suit his agenda. It's like I said in an earlier response, if my fellow Americans don't see through this bias so be it. Maybe they can get a discount on brown shirts for their kids. The Democrats have run the dirtiest low down rotten campaign in history. I hope the Republicans will be strong enough to come out and trash them like they truly deserve. They make me sick.

Livefree or die trying

Truth Squad

Bring on the Missouri Truth Squad which initially vowed to prosecute false advertising. 

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

If the McCain camp had

If the McCain camp had objected to Ifill as moderator, then you know what charges would have been put out by PBS, racism. They were between a rock and a hard place.

Actually, maybe it's a good

Actually, maybe it's a good idea thet Gwen refs the upcoming debate. Here's my thinking... any criticism the left has to say about Sarah after the debate, we can then say "what the hell did you expect with a pro-Obama mod?". Or something like that. Just a thought.

Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over!

 

 

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Why did McCain agree

Why did McCain agree to Ifill? Because, despite an occasional protest here and there lately, when it comes to the press, Republicans in general and specifically McCain are Pollyannas - always sunny in their outlook that they have gotten and will get a "fair shake" from the "mainstream" media. They just never learn the lesson and apparently don't want to. Either that, or they think that protesting bias and actually doing something about it is somehow unseemly and ungentlemanly. Either way, they all come off as a bunch of suckers

McNotObama '08

you're right on chris

i have been wondering the same.  maybe it's like i was saying earlier...in a way the left has won...at least on main street.  they have the msm & are used to things being that way.  in fact they would freak out if it was not that way.  they could not handle being in the position of us on the right.  i guess we have to remember that even most of the right gets most of their info from the msm...unfortunately.  and i agree about the "too gentlemanly" part also.  i mean rush and ann coulter are about as mean as it gets on the right as far as people who get any attention.  on the left the list is longer and meaner.

cheers!

 Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

On the upside, I think

On the upside, I think there are more people than we realize who have rejected the biased opinion masquerading as news provided by the standard media. Otherwise, no Republican would ever get elected to higher office. Plus some polls are showing that many people in this country see the problem. We're just the ones who have gone further than quiet rejection - we talk about and dissect it and, in our outage and exasperation, think we're the only ones who see it. Forget the liberals - when you "own" the opinion of the media, you tend think it's all fine and dandy.  I think the next logical step is to see more and more of what happened at the GOP convention - when NBC was publicly protested and picketed - if directed against more of the networks, they won't be able to ignore it forever.

McNotObama '08

Hi, Chris, that's exactly

Hi, Chris, that's exactly right. McCain seems to be very naive in his statement about this.

Republicans, for the most

Republicans, for the most part, all seem to suffer from a general wussiness when it comes to responding to bias in the media and attacks from the Democrats - which, come to think of it, is the same thing. 

McNotObama '08

pbs fair?

it's the classic fox guarding the hen house.  now i get it, we're playing prison rules for this debate, two against one. fyi, i can't stand her on pbs, and that putz with the beard, ( can't remember his name).

I hate to make such a base assesment...

 

but there is a racial component here which may not accure to Obama's benefit if Ms. Ifill is not percieved to be scrupulously fair.  Be very nice Gwen, practice masking your own resentments, you have about 26 hours to figure out how, Good Luck, you're going to need it.

 

 

 

 

Anyone who has ever heard Santayana's famous quote about History repeating itself is condemned to repeat it.

Gwen Ifill committed several Felonies

People are not getting the point in this that Gwen Ifill broke the law as in felonies in this. I will use the example from my blog.

Norm Abrams from This Old House appears on his program covering Makita tools as bad. He though says good things about Craftsman tools. It then comes out in November he is being paid for a book which will be released praising Craftsman tools.

You can not do this when the mandate of public airwaves are for the "public good". Gwen Ifill knowingly took funds, hid that she was writing a book promoting Obama, covered the GOP disparaging it ALL THE WHILE TAKING PUBLIC FUNDS for Washington Week In Review and appearing on The Lehrer News Hour.

If Jim Lehrer knew this, he is just as guilty in a conspiracy.

Both Washington Week in Review and Lehrer News Hour embezzled funds for the Obama campaign as being partners for stealing public airtime for the electoral profit of Barack Obama.

Both these PBS programs and their producer stations are now either to repay all funds from the moment that Gwen Ifill signed her Obama contract or they are guilty of felony embezzlement which includes 20 year prison time as they stole public funds and airtime worth hundreds of millions of dollars for the Obama campaign.

This includes Barack Obama as he fully knew this book was being written and cooperated in literally plucking big bird of funds for his own politcal gain and scalded Seasame Street in a pot of Obama money train intrigue.

One can not steal the public trust and that includes David Letterman in his illegal campaign operations on CBS with Craig Fergeson. These are public venues operating for the public good. Mr. Obama accepting these gifts from Ifill to Letterman is a value of hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds which the FEC and FCC fully cover.

These are felonies and it is past time that the Department of Justice investigates and indicts all of these shadey dealings from the Obama donors in terrorist states, ACORN and now this illegal use of PBS by Gwen Ifill.
Bill Moyers can spew his garbage non stop like Tavis Smiley. The time it turns to criminal is when Gwen Ifill takes money to promote a candidate and therefore becomes a proxy of that candidate embezzling public airtime and funding.

 

agtG

 

 

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Not sure if she did or not

But one thing is for sure, the Dems, reporters, News agencies can say what ever they want. They will NOT be held accountable by anyone were the law is conserned. Just wont happen. The real problem is the Repubs wont call them on it either, and unfortunatly I think it is because they are afraid of the bad press, as if it could get any worse?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Lame (Indeed) Cherry:

DP - my bad.  And my apologies!

Lame (Indeed) Cherry:

Where is your evidence that Ms. Ifill "...hid that she was writing a book promoting Obama?"

While your contention just doesn't make sense, to the extent it is possible to use logic then Sheer Insannity is guilty as well.  After all, he campaigned for Bush Chaney - much to the Vice President's delight, as I recall.

Finally - you forgot to mention Larry Sinclair in your post.  Isn't this whole debate bruhaha his fault?

»→ No evidence, Frank

It was publicly available knowledge.  The worst Ms. Ifill can be accused of is failure to disclose a conflict of interest.

But given how hard it is to find a moderator who isn't writing a fawning piece on your Messiah, I have no problem with Ifill moderating.

If her book was not disclosed, certainly her politics are no secret. 

"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama

Questions for the Republican "leadership" Lol.

See, things like this, make me question the intellectual soundness of the Republican Leadership. These stupid mind numbed trolls probably think they're showing "courage under fire" or some other misplaced sentiment, by showing up to a debate under these  circumstances, but they're wrong! They're idiots. The demoNcrats wouldn't even attend a debate ON Fox much less one moderated by a partisan with a *%$$#@! book deal against their guy! 

 

Things like THIS are the reason that I left the Republican party and became an INDEPENDENT, because I AM A WINNER and I never play to lose. I may not win every race or battle but you can bet your bippy that I'm tryin'! When McCain stuck the knife in Bush with the GANG OF FOURTEEN LOSERS, I said "that's it, I'm done it's time to leave these losers to their own devices".  Any political party with the means to defeat their opponents who does not take it, is not worthy of my fellowship. Period. That and Bush trying to put "Grandma" Meyers on the Supreme Court.! Hay caramba! That kind of told me that we aren't really playing on the same team. BUT THIS? This is incompetence pure and simple. How hard would it have been to find out about IFILLS BIAS? Newsbusters and media research have REAMS of statements made by her some of which are in THIS very ARTICLE! So before you found out she had a book deal why would she have been moderating a debate????  Her BIAS has been front and center for years!!!

And after finding out about said book deal, WHY IS THERE STILL A DEBATE SCHEDULED??????

 

I don't know what's wrong with these people but winning doesn't seem to be on the agenda. 

WHY DON'T THEY EXPOSE THE PRESS' BIAS?????? WHAT THE (expletive) IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS???

 

And for all the high minded folk that would make some high road argument to you I say "CRAP". There ain't no such thing boyo!  Here's a lesson in media manipulation, pay attention. Bias is not only found in the questions one asks, it is similarly found in the questions one neglects to ask. I know you're aware of this, anyhow, take for example Katie Couric's big "gotcha" for Sarah Palin! Couric asked if a fifteen year old is raped by her father would Palin forbid her from killing the baby, I paraphrase.  Now INSTEAD OF POINTING OUT THE INHERENT BIAS IN THE QUESTION, Palin like a DUMMY falls into the trap of ANSWERING NO and thus looking like some moron extremist. While I agree with Palin's view, this was NOT the way to answer the question. The way to answer the question was to say, "Katie, why would you use an EXTREMELY RARE example like that, is it your wish to make me look like some kind of nutcase? Do you Katie Couric honestly believe that the FORTY MILLION abortions since Roe v Wade were the result of incest? If you don't, why would you use an example that applies to almost NO ONE?"  

AND if she was REALLY on her game she would have said, "Katie it's funny that you ask a question like that which is clearly designed to make me look like an "extremist" for "forcing" a woman to have a baby in an untenable situation. However you seem to have neglected to ask your democratic nominee why he would FORCE BABIES WHO SURVIVED AN ABORTION TO DIE. Which seems more extreme to you Katie, forcing a child to LIVE or forcing one to freakin' DIE?" Or something along those lines. You people need to learn how to do more with your freakin' answers than just answer the question!  Then, in the hearing of John Q Public, which has been insulated by the press from ANY MENTION of the Born Alive Infant Act and Obambi's heinousness, there comes a new thing. "Barack voted to do what?" , they'd say. See, because the press never confronted Obama in any meaningful way over the many lies he's told on the subject, the only extremist John Q can see is Sarah P, not Barry O. Incidentally there are even ways of answering questions that insure that they won't edit out the part they don't like. Make the condemnation the subject of the sentence and they couldn't edit it, all it takes is a GRAMMAR CLASS. 

 

If you know that the press is unfair, republican leadership, why do you persist in treating them AS IF THEY ARE NOT? Why do you endeavour in servile fearfulness to give them the benefit of the doubt which hasn't been "a doubt" for quite some time? If the press is unfair and if they know they're unfair, doesn't your treatment of them as fair, make you a FOOL? I MEAN FOR GOODNESS SAKE, where was the op research on KATIE COURIC? Only an IDIOT would at this point be treating the Obama press as an uninterested third party!!!  Her pro baby killing statements could be dug up with a mere click of the mouse! How hard would it be to say, "Well, Katie, I know you've always been a big abortion supporting democrat, is that why you didn't ask Obama about this?"  But no, in some interview about the bias of the Couric interviews, Palin actually says that she wouldn't want to pick a fight with someone who "buys their ink by the barrelful". Well, when the old geezer who made that statement made it, there wasn't an ALTERNATIVE MEDIA, there weren't BLOGS AND FOX NEWS where her side could be heard if she chose to take Couric on, there is now!

 

Which brings up the question as to WHY on earth would you possibly go to a debate moderated by a book writing Obama supporter? It's not like any of you have the slightest ability to combat the bias by turning your answers into barbs with which to attack your interviewer, so WHY??  Unfortunately more and more the answer seems to be, "because they are LOSERS, THAT'S WHY". 

Your post was way too

Your post was way too short. I'll bet you have a longer version.

Palin Is Caught And Her Career Is Over! 

 

 

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Yea, way too short.

Yea, way too short. ;+}

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

"Your post was way too short"

but you have to admit CT, he has some good points...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

He does. I was just pulling

He does. I was just pulling his beard.

The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?

Acts2... Amen, Amen,

Acts2...

Amen, Amen, Amen.

I have had my fill.

Not just this either, the bail-out bill is another perfect example...

What a perfect example to get the majority of people of all stripes to get to vote for him since the majority of the people are against this, same with illegal immigration, same with drilling everywhere, not just off-shore.

McCain doesn't get it..he never has, because he is a RINO.

I am sick of all of this.

Let alone him not holding out for Fox to have one, just one of the debates.

Yep, I've had it. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

OK Act 2

Things like THIS are the reason that I left the Republican party and
became an INDEPENDENT, because I AM A WINNER and I never play to lose.

Call me skeptical, but you seem to have enough passion about this to still be a Repub, after all, how many times have the Independent made you a winner. Good post, a lot of us feel the very same way. If we only had a level playing field.

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

What else is new

 

I thought Jim Lehrer did a good job, though he got in the
way when McCain try to lay a blow but overall it was O.K. The same questions
were asked to both candidates. Now this lady should not be moderating, there is
a clear conflict between her book and moderating this debate. But you know what
conservatives always have to put up with this since no matter who they put
there, is going to be a bias moderator.

 

 

Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"

Ifill's response to bloggers

Just saw an article on the ABC website. Here's the first paragraph:
"PBS journalist Gwen Ifill, moderator of the upcoming vice presidential debate, dismissed conservative questions about her impartiality because she is writing a book that includes material on Barack Obama.Ifill said Wednesday that she hasn't even written her chapter on Obama for the book "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," which is to be published by Doubleday on Jan. 20, 2009, the day a new president is inaugurated."

Doesn't it feel good to be "dismissed" by Queen Ifill? And don't you find it kinda hard to believe that she calling her book ".....the age of Obama" but she hasn't written anything about Obama. Come On. Even us stupid conservatives find that hard to swallow.

Brings back memories of

Brings back memories of Imus and his supposed racist remarks about Ifill when he was let go.

Nope, no bias at all now is there.

Oh well..this is and was McCain's choosing.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

" Doesn't it feel good to

" Doesn't it feel good to be "dismissed" by Queen Ifill?"

Yeah, let some poor conservative schlub try to "dismiss" some "controversy" the media accuses him or her of. It's like a swimmer trying to dismiss blood in the water as the piranhas are assembling...

McNotObama '08

Hi Chris.. What a perfect

Hi Chris..

What a perfect way to put it all....you have me chuckling.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hi BT, Glad to provide

Hi BT,

Glad to provide laughter. By the way, should we call the anticipated liberal hose job against Governor Palin tomorrow night: "The Ifill Shower"?  

McNotObama '08

Why was Ifill not refused ab initio?

Anyone who has ever listened to Ifill, and I have done so only once in the past 14 years, cannot escaped noting she's biased against conservative Christians, as are most on the left. In1994, on a panel discussion broadcast on C-SPAN, Ifill claimed, "The Republican Convention got such a bad rap for being intolerant and then having Pat Buchanan start things off by talking about things like Holy Wars.”  Fanatics in the news media and other leftists perceived the nonexistent "intolerant" bit, and Buchanan did not talk of "Holy Wars." He said a cultural war existed in the country, repeating a conclusion that was the theme of a book by Prof. James Davison Hunter. Her tilt is no secret to those who have heard her on government and politics.. 

Is she a professional capable of overcoming her prejudices? As you demonstrate from 2004, the answer is "No." And whichever Republican official or officials accepted her as a moderator erred badly, something one expects from the RNC, something one also expects from Sen. Bad. (His opponent, from Illinois, is Sen. Much Worse.)

The many errors of policy and judgment that merit the Sen. Bad appellation won't be detailed here, nor those that qualify his opponent as Much Worse. Bad is preferable to much worse, though, and one perhaps desperately hopes for much better.

 

Tangentially,

"The PBS host also pressed Cheney with a Tim Russert-style question on Iran:"

Just pointing out why I didn't jump on the "Russert was fair" bandwagon when he passed. He could be fair, but he followed the liberal meme more and more as time went by. We noticed, but later let it be, out of respect I guess. And he wasn't as bad as many are now, I'll grant that.

But he was getting there. 

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

No doubt...

She's in the bag for Obama.

The questions have been submitted to the Obama camp so they can prepare properly.

What If

What if we named Sean Hannity to moderate?  I think that would be a better choice.  Can you imagine the uproar from the dims if he was selected?

What changed?

What a bunch of nonsense.  No one had any problems with Ifill, until recently.  Does this have something to do with the discovery that nobody is home in the Alaska gubanatorial mansion, and I don't mean in Juneau.

First McCain tries to delay debating Obama. Is the GOP setting up an excuse for Palin to bow out of her debate with Bide.

I just hope the debate goes as scheduled.  Regardless of who wins, and Palin will probably do better than expected, especially given the measures being taken to lower expectations of her performance, I would hate to miss out on the Satuday Night Live skit.

" No one had any problems

No one had any problems with Ifill, until recently"

Really? Because, a lot of us have had problems with Ifill for a long time. So much for "finding facts". The rest of your comment is just trollish provoking and isn't worth the key strokes it would take to reply to it. 

McNotObama '08

no problems with Ifill before , 'cause she wasn't a moderator

Gee engage your brain before stating the Obvious.
And if she excuses herself from being the moderator who benefits from an Obama win . . we'll go back to zero problems with her.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

We don't have to ask questions.

We don't have to worry about Gwen Ifil, we're used to having biased people ask questions, that's one of the things that makes Republicans really good debaters, they don't expect softballs.  Now let's look at the pussy Democrats, who wouldn't even debate on Fox News, can they handle Hugo Chavez? 

We know what's going on, we know the fix is in.  Now, all we have to do is show a majority of the people how this whole campaign has been fixed and they won't buy it.  Most people want a fair election, they'll recognize how unfair this all it.   

Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.

The McCain team knew of the book but...

I guess it’s better to basically say that your research team is absolutely shit than to admit that Ifill has a long track record as an impartial journalist, with no evidence that she’ll treat Palin unfairly. You could argue that conservatives are coming up for a defense for Palin, in case she flops tomorrow night (personally, I think she’ll be fine).

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"Negro" Obama is NOT! He has

"Negro" Obama is NOT! He has enough color to give him "tint". He is "Arab-American", most of his ancestry is Arab. That ought to scare the heck out of anyone.

Give me a break

You all sound like such buffoons, it’s hysterical. I voted for Bush (twice) and look what it got me...nothing but a broken America. Republicans and Democrats are all so stupid, sometimes I wonder if it’s even worth voting anymore. I will say, I don't see democrats making up hateful, stupid and downright disgusting stories about McCain. If the republicans loose the White House and Congress they have no one to blame but themselves. You all are making the party look like backwoods red necks instead of educated, small government-minded leaders who believe in America. Don't hate on Obama with childish and immature name calling, because truth is he's smarter then us all. And stop the absurdity with the arab/Muslim garbage, unless you have proof to back it up.

you give ME a break!!

> because truth is he's smarter then us all< ....speak for yourself idiot.  if smart means deceptive...okay.  if smart means "flip-floppish".....okay.  if smart means liar......okay.  since obama has been playing the race card since the primary, don't be suprised to see a conservative play it back.

go vote for obama and see how small a govt you get.  sounds like you'll be okay with his huge govt because you know what you'll be getting.  and as bad as obama is, we also have biden the pathological liar to contend with.  nice.  go for it.

 

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

The Reformer:

Good luck with being the sane voice of reason around here!

I wrote it before about Ms. Ifill.  It's a bad team, indeed, that blames the loss on the ref.  (Unless it's a terrible team like the Raiders - they always blame their own coach.)

During one evening of the Democratic Convention, they had several delegates get up on stage and tell their story.  My favorite was Barney Smith.  "We need a President who sticks up for Barney Smith and not just Smith Barney."

We could all use that right through here...