Larry King Interviews Corsi -- With Media Matters Almost Co-Hosting

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On Wednesday night’s "Larry King Live," CNN interviewed conservative author Jerome Corsi on his new book "The Obama Nation," but Larry King made him sit next to Paul Waldman of the left-wing group Media Matters, who questioned Corsi like he was co-host and continuously badgered him as a liar. King asked Waldman softballs: "Paul, you denounced the book as unfit for publication. Meaning?" King set the tone at the top of the show: "Tonight, is Barack Obama being swiftboated? The man who wrote that book on John Kerry now makes some incredible and even false claims about the current Democratic candidate."

This could be seen as progress, since neither Corsi nor his co-author John O’Neill appeared on "Larry King Live" in 2004. But what does it say about CNN’s confidence in King as an interviewer or CNN’s sensitivity to liberal partisans that Media Matters has to be brought on to badger the interviewee?

King began by drawing out Corsi’s admission that he wants Barack Obama to lose: "Mr. Corsi, did you say -- did you tell The New York Times the purpose of the book is to defeat Obama? Corsi said yes. King underlined it, again: "Did you -- as a good investigative reporter, did you approach this objectively or not?"

King then brought on Media Matters, and even announced their own glowing description of themselves: "In Washington is Paul Waldman, senior fellow at Media Matters for America. Media Matters describes itself as ‘A progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing and correcting conservative misinformation in the United States media.’"

You might think that in the context he had just questioned Obama, King could have noted that Waldman was the co-author of a new book called "Free Ride: John McCain and the Media." He might have asked if that book was written with the intention of defeating McCain. But King just tossed a softball question: "Paul, you denounced the book as unfit for publication. Meaning?"

Waldman denounced Corsi (and John O’Neill) as the most flagrant of liars: "Four years ago, Mr. Corsi wrote -- co-wrote a book called Unfit For Command that was part of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against John Kerry. Every single objective observer that looked at that came to the conclusion that it was just riddled with falsehoods and distortions and unbelievable claims. Now, four years later, he has come out with another book that is also riddled with distortions and falsehoods. So the question is, why on earth would anyone listen to what he has to say about Barack Obama?"

King didn’t ask Waldman to define "every single objective obsever," and most people wouldn’t suggest that being attacked by Keith Olbermann or Dan Rather is proof of dispproval from "objective" observers. Liberal newspapers like the New York Times and the Washington Post certainly leaped into questioning the book’s claims, but what often happened was they would suggest that no one could definitely prove what really happened with John Kerry and Vietnam: that no one could prove he wrote his own medal reports, or no one could prove there was a firefight or not on a particular date. If that was the case, it wasn’t a victory for Kerry, who had been touting his combat heroism – with lots of liberal-media enthusiasm -- throughout the election cycle.

Waldman, devoted to fighting "conservative misinformation," quickly betrayed the attitude that if information comes from a conservative source, it’s inherently false. "He talks about how many footnotes he has and how many sources he has. Well, if you actually look at them, there are dozens and dozens of citations to right-wing Web sites and blogs. One of the people that he cites as a quote-unquote source is a man named Andy Martin, who is an anti- Semitic right-wing blogger who once called a judge a dirty Jew and filed so many frivolous lawsuits that he's now no longer allowed to file lawsuits. So my question to Mr. Corsi is, since you cite Andy Martin multiple times as a source, are there any other anti-Semitic right-wing bloggers that you also use as sources or is he the only one?"

The far-left Nation magazine identified Martin as the original source of Obama-is-a-Muslim rumors. Alan Colmes also quickly picked up the Martin question on FNC’s Hannity & Colmes.

Corsi protested the question, that he had many sources, but King insisted, "Well, respond to the question about Mr. Martin." Corsi replied: "Well, I quote -- I can remember one quip I quote from him -- and it's just a quip, which is -- where he basically is saying if Obama will lie about his background and his family, he'll lie about anything. And this was in reference to the way Obama presents his father in the autobiography, which I write about extension extensively."

What followed was a lot of badgering crosstalk where Corsi couldn't get his thoughts out, and where Waldman was so persistent in trying to talk over Corsi that King would feel pressed to say "let him answer."

Throughout the Corsi vs. Waldman interview, King routinely ran clips of Barack Obama and Michelle Obama defending themselves, and also ran official Obama campaign statements: "I have a comment from the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign has not made public comment on "The Obama Nation" book. A spokesman, Tommy Vietor, did have this to say to "The New York Times": "This book is nothing but a series of lies that were long ago discredited, written by an individual who was discredited after he wrote a similar book to help George Bush and Dick Cheney get reelected four years ago."

King came back from a commercial break and really lowered the boom on Corsi about controversial religious statements he made in 2003 and 2004 (these are also being highlighted in a Democratic Party "Get Out the Truth About Jerome Corsi" campaign):

KING: By the way, point of information. John Kerry, whom Corsi attacked in 2004, has launched a Web site, Truth Fights Back, to counter charges against Obama. Kerry says: "You have to fight back against those who try to smear you." Now, Jerome, in your books, you frequently make points about people using their own words. You, in the past -- in 2003, you blogged that "boy-buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is OK with the pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press." In 2004, you described Muslim...

CORSI: And, Larry, these are all...

KING: ...as "worthless, dangerous, satanic." You called Pope John Paul II senile. Now you can say you're OK, now, but if you meant that then, we have a right to question you then, as you question Mrs. Obama at Princeton.

CORSI: Well, Larry, you should also report all the apologies for those comments. And I've clearly stated...

KING: Yes, but you still -- I mean...

CORSI: I stated they were not written to express my true views. They were intentionally written to be antagonistic or aggressive or provocative. The Catholic Church, I'm a good member. I was born and raised in the Catholic Church. I'm a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. I have supported Islam. After I wrote "Atomic Iran," I walked 200 miles with the Islamic Iranian expatriates for freedom in their country, created two mutual funds for the state of Israel, went -- with the blessing of B'Nai Brith and my 25 years in financial services. You can't take a few quips that I've wrote that I've apologized for -- that should not have been written -- and I have not done again -- to be representative of my beliefs and writing.

King then turned to Waldman and tossed a real hardball: "Paul, are you disappointed, the fact that Simon and Schuster, a division of Simon and Schuster publishes this book, and that Mary Matalin, the former chief aide to Dick Cheney, is the -- it's her imprint?" Waldman replied: "Right. Well, that's how we have to understand this. That imprint is run by Mary Matalin, who was Dick Cheney's aide, a longtime GOP operative. And once Mr. Corsi's book came out, of course, it fit right into the conservative promotion machine."

When Simon & Schuster publishes left-wing hatchet jobs (or Hillary Clinton's implausible "gulping for air" memoirs) on its regular imprint, no one in the liberal media wonders about the publisher’s political motives or biases.

Despite the fact that Corsi told King he would be supporting Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin for president and not John McCain, King mysteriously tried to put Corsi on the McCain campaign staff: "All right. Jerome, Senator McCain -- he did it on this program -- promised that he -- this would be an issue-oriented campaign, no personalities driven, there will be open discussions among both. Are you going against that concept?" King then followed up by again asking Corsi to repeat himself that he’ll be supporting the Constitution Party.

After the Corsi vs. Waldman interview, King turned to liberal talk-show host Ed Schultz and Republican consultant Andrea Tantaros. Schultz said the Corsi book wouldn’t "touch Obama’s camp at all." Tantaros unloaded on Media Matters:

"You know, I would strongly encourage Republicans not to use it. I think going after someone's religion is the lowest form of politics. I really do. I don't think you're going to see the McCain campaign use it at all. But I do have to say something. It was interesting to have a representative from Media Matters. Just because you have a website called Media Matters doesn't mean there's slime up on your site. Media Matters is a left wing smear machine. They are notorious for taking things out of context. And I'll point out the last 30 minutes, he wasn't even able to refute anything that Jerome said. I really wish they would have gotten to the meat of the points that Jerome was making."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.

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Keep on slugging away. That empty suit is getting wrinkled.

I ♣ my seal

It's convenient timing, but

I'm glad guilt by association with anti semites no longer works, apparently...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

But what does it say about

But what does it say about CNN’s confidence in King as an interviewer or CNN’s sensitivity to liberal partisans that Media Matters has to be brought on to badger the interviewee?

Or maybe Tim this has more to do with the rehabilation of Media Matters from being a Clinton creation to a Democrat Unity.  Why would any TV show host allow himself to be marginalized like King did unless there was an agenda he/she deemed as self serving as their own persona????  The Clintonites can claim they defended Obama in order to mollify the Black vote, after having screwed them over at the Dem convention when Her Highness is coronated. 

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Someone ask Kerry where is

Someone ask Kerry where is that SF180 he promised Tim Russert he was going to sign.  What lies were documented in Corsi's first book?  King and Waldeman set up a strawman here with claims against the first book to discredit the second, but they offer no proof that there are lies in either. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Isn't there a one million

Isn't there a one million dollar offer to anyone who can refute anything in the first book that is still uncollected? 

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.

Is King Through at CNN?

The choice of co-host for the night cannot bode well for Larry King's future a CNN.  Somewhat at the network thought King unable to give Corsi the kind of hard questioning they wanted.

They did let King interview Kitty Kelley all by himself.

Larry King is famous for

Larry King is famous for his softball questioning. CNN obviously couldn't have that. As usual, 2-3 libs vs. 1 conservative. 

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe, then confirming it with a poll.

Hello, this is Michelle Obama

Well, at least Larry King’s phone didn’t ring with Michelle Obama on the other end of the line.

Clearly Larry is inured to his self parody, concerning bias.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Whom is Larry using as an example when asking this question?

"Did you -- as a good investigative reporter, did you approach this objectively or not?"

He has few to choose so from on his network. There must have been an old unused college textbook nearby as reference material for his question.

 

"I need more cowbell!" SNL

Simple question

Would the left betray-US? For power, the left will do anything, well maybe not quite as over the top as Putin, but short of that.

Obama's word is no good, his signature is no good, his character is no good. What's not to like.

Corsi being interviewed by a

Corsi being interviewed by a cadaver...it was hilarious.

Question

I have a question.

Does Newsbusters consider itself conservative or objective?

Personally, I see NewsBusters as the strikingly similar opposite to Media Matters... the yin to their yang... but I'm wondering what you guys think?

differences

1) Newbusters doesn't exist for the sole purpose of attacking lefties. This article is about Larry King's decision to do a "neutral interview" that was all about calling Corsi a liar.

2) No one on NB has pored through Pelosi's book to post an article telling us all about her inaccuracies, and no one from NB has appeared on Fox News to argue with Suskind in the manner that this interview happened on Larry King.

Please try again.

Rebuttal

1)
Several points. First, what's the difference between attacking, criticizing, and correcting? I see both websites as doing somethign resembling all three, usually taking the form of "[Someone] said this on an 'objective' news program... we're apalled and they're clearly biased." Much as you'll hear regularly from Newsbusters about aggreivances to objectivity on CNN, you'll hear the same from Media Matters about Fox. Stacking up the articles side by side doesn't yield much variance in style, leading me to believe that whatever you want to call it, attacking or otherwise, both sites do it as their bread and butter.

2)
Making a list of concerns about something is hardly different from listing them out one post at a time. If you're point is that MM covers books as well as broadcast journalism, point conceded, but I still think the process is identical to the one used at NB.

Also, I'd probably argue that the fact that NewsBusters hasn't been on Larry King is probably the single greatest evidence of liberal bias they could get. But again, just because they haven't been on a tv show doesn't mean they aren't doing essentially the same thing as MM in essentially the same way.

R96

Media Matters sucks, and today's liberal ideology sucks and reeks of self-importance, lots of superficiality, and hypocrisy run amuck.

NewsBusters is cool, and it's members (well, most of them, anyway) are razor smart and witty, and see through all the bullsh*t in a lot of things in the world.

Btw, I love George W. Bush. You can call it a man crush. 

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Remix, #1, if you cant tell

Remix, #1, if you cant tell the difference between attacking and correcting or pointing out bias, then I doubt you would understand it after it was explained to you. So why bother.

#2 A list of concerns is not calling someone a lier, it is asking for an explination or confirmination of facts. MM's sole purpose for existance is to attack conservitives. To defeat conservitives and defend the liberals. That is not what we do hear. We call a joker a joker and bias, bias. MM defends lies and goes so far as to propagate the lies, not unlike Gobels in times past.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Rebuttal

1)
When you get into the realm of opinion and analysis (dominant in news today) of policies based on a mix of facts and values, instead of solely citing facts, I think it would be naive to say that the lines between correcting and attacking don't blur together.

And simply asserting that they don't is not an argument bass. I'm pretty open minded if you want to take a stab at a definition between the two.

2)
I think calling someone a liar is rude, no matter how someone goes about it, and I think Tim above cited some excellent places where the MM guy was simply being an ass. However, once again, I have to draw parallels to MM here because NB doesn't call bias bais, it calls liberal bias bias, the same way MM calls conservative bias bias.

I understand that you claim MM defends and propogates lies, but until you puit together some convincing evidence there's no reason to believe it.

No Moral Equivalence

I think you're drawing a moral equivalence between MM, a website that is dedicated to attacking anything it perceives as conservative and propping up liberal causes to this website which openly exists to point out liberally-slanted media biases.  This site does not exist to promote specific (or general) conservative causes, even if some of the reader postings happen to do just that.  The contributers here tend to use reason, logic and specific examples (with links) to point out blatant hypocrisy and unfairness evident in the major media outlets.  Your comparison of two networks, FOX and CNN, leaves out all of the other outlets--ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, NY Time, Washington Post, etc.  This site is filled with endless examples of the leftward bias in those outlets.  Let's see MM's examples of how those media outlets are biased to the right.  I think they would be extremely hard-pressed to come up with anywhere near the examples presented here, because those outlets are indeed liberally-slanted in their coverage (university studies have demonstrated this fact).  There is more here than just he said/she said, and I think your summarizing it in that fashion is unfair to the people who have crafted this site and worked hard to keep it a top-notch endeavor.

Rebuttal

Smarty,

First, I think "moral equivalence" isn't what you're trying to get at. You're talking about equivalence of purpose. There aren't good and bad guys here in an evil vs. good comparison, only two different websites. Phrasing it in moral terms is unhelpful and innaccurate.

Second, I've never said that I thoguht the news was unbiased, or that I thought one site, NB or MM, is more valuable or more needed than the other. I would actually agree that in general there tends to be more liberal bias in the media than conservative, but this doesn't mean that conservative bias doesn't exist.

Third, I'm inclined not to believe your assertions about what MM is and does because a few sentences in to your explanation you start "thinking" about what MM might "come up with." Perhaps you should read their website before asserting to know their purpose. Surprisingly, there are a number of things that go on in the news for them to write about. For example, they point out frequently mysogenist statements by Chris Matthews, racially based inferences in other newscasts, and like Nb, they find often that journalists give people of the opposite party a "pass" by not citing facts or events previously established by their own.

Fourth, I don't seek to demean anything the NB team has done here. I'll say it again, I keep NB in my news reader which I check throughout the day and am extremely thankful for the additional perspective they help me see. All I asked was whether the team or its reader considered it conservative or unbiased. I'll firmly take the stance as that such a question does not demean the work done here at NB... not in the least.

We will have to agree to

We will have to agree to disagree on the "moral equivalence" terminology.  In my estimation, I believe the term applies; of course, that could be a result of my own biases.

I think you did misunderstand my point though. I never meant to imply that MM never comes up with good examples of bias on its own; however, that is meaningless because, as you agreed, there is plenty of evidence that the liberal media bias far outweighs any conservative bias that may exist (and, of course, there are forms of bias that do not take a clear left or right slant).

You simply hit on one of my personal hot button issues, the idea that "both sides" do this or that, so there is no difference between them.  The media rails on Republicans, for instance, for a "culture of corruption".  Then a Democrat is caught red-handed doing something nefarious and the media perspective is that "both sides do it".  So, when the conservative does something wrong, it's because conservatives are just like that.  When a liberal does something wrong, assuming the media acknowledges it at all, it is because both sides do it.   This is the message I got from your original post, whether it was intended or not, and I just don't agree.

Remixer96, Are you

Remixer96,

Are you implying that a conservative cannot be objective?

No

No, I was looking at the way NB was branding MM as a "left-wing group," and wondering if NB and its readers thought itself to be from the right of the aisle or from no aisle at all.

Personally, I don't think any grop can really be objective, but I think both sites tend to point out good things and encourage people not to make grandiose ideological statements. I keep both in my news reader because it's fascinating to hear how news has both liberal and conservative biased moments.

Not to nitpick...

...but didn't you just answer my question with both a "no" in your first paragraph and a "yes" in your second?

Can you give an example where you see three sides (conservative, liberal & objective) to a story?

I give plenty, daily...

But "objective" for some reason strongly resembles "libertarian" whenever I do it. Good thing I'm not biased.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

*embarassed cough*

Ahem.

Reading that again, you're right, I did contradict myself. If I might explain.

I stand by the latter statement. I don't think objectivity (at least in toady's information climate) is something anyone has, nor probably should strive for. However, I don't want to accuse any single side of not being objective, because I don't think any of them are.

So perhaps a better way to answer your earlier question would have been: Yes, in the same way I don't think a liberal could be objective either.

Apologies for my mistake.

No problem, Remixer96.

Now, out of curiosity, could you (and/or sarc if he reads this) give me an example of where my conservatism is not objective? No arrogance intended; I'm here to learn about myself too.

Not you, personally...

But for an example of conservatives totally-ignoring conservative principles, to the point of ignoring the words of a brilliant, conservative Supreme Court Justice, see this continually-cloaked article. Federalism, like the First Amendment AND the Second, isn't a fair weather convenience for politics, it's a principle. Or at least, it was. With principle issues, one side sometimes doesn't get the political result it thinks it wants. When principles are ignored one time, it paves the way toward ignoring them constantly, just as Justice Thomas warns us.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

He's not in my camp.

As the article in your link states, sarc, you are alluding to a "self-described conservative". If I had nothing better to do with my time, I would describe him differently.

That's fine...

But despite the fact that I'm demonstrably more fiscally conservative, by a longshot, than ANY Republican politician currently holding office, I'm occasionally called "a liberal" because of my tolerance on social issues and traditional conservative foreign policy noninterventionism, which is treated as a sin. I'm just sick of so-called "conservatives" trying to pretend prison guards & jail cells are free -- often because they're in the pockets of various correction officers' unions & other wealthy financial interests who wouldn't give a crap about the Constitution even if they actually knew what it says, which they obviously don't. IMO.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Great speach

Great speech Sarcasmo. Your comment concerning prison doesn't make a lick of sense, but, great speech.

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

Huh???

In what way does my comment not make sense to you? Haven't "conservatives" been doing exactly what I've said they do?? I've never seen a one of 'em discuss the cost of jailing prostitutes & potheads, it's ONLY ME, EVERY  TIME. See what I mean??
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Is not prostitution and

Is not prostitution and most drugs against the law? Are they then not breaking the law while conducting these activities? As for the cost, feeding and housing is minimal compared to benefits allowed. Take for example the sheriff in Az, which houses prisoners in tents and provides balonga sandwiches. How much does that cost? Now look at institutions that are forced to provide more, to include degree programs. While I do not begrudge someone obtaining their GED or technical training while incarcerated, I don't buy into the theory of allowing them to take college courses while the public is forced to pay. People love to state that potheads and prostitutes are not really hurting anyone. I remember just a few years back when a driver under the influence of marajania ran a stop sign and t-boned someone. Three died in that accident, to include my 3 month old niece. The driver that caused the accident walked away with minor injuries. He received three years and will be out next spring. Three years for taking three lives.

How long must we provide housing and meals, along with benefits to deathrow inmates? They will never see the light of day outside the prison but yet we allow them to live to a ripe old age. Check out the series on Pelican Bay. You'll see gangbangers and drug dealers on death row who still conduct business outside.

Prison should not be run as a country club. Bring back the chain gangs and keep breaking big rocks into small ones.

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

You're not addressing my point.

I'd only incarcerate people guilty of actual, not consensual, crimes.

This policy change would save taxpayers money, would keep people like Jessica Lunsford's rapist/killer in cages instead of out, and if studies of the Netherlands are correct, might lead to lower rates of drug usage despite constantly-screamed but clueless claims to the contrary.

Prostitution being legal also works, worldwide, better than trying to blindly keep the world's oldest profession illegal. Making "crimes" with 0 victims legal takes away the sweet smell of forbidden fruit, and lowers taxes along with the size and scope of government. Believe me, my ideal prisons would be very tough places to live for inmate compared to how the Demopublican party (including that expensive, grandstanding sheriff in AZ) do it. They just wouldn't be world record-full in "the land of the free," like they are now, ironically.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

And you didn't address mine

Are they currently legal or illegal?

Consensual? So, when does it turn from consensual to actual crime in your definition? Even in Western Europe, the only country with legal prostitution is Holland, and even there it is limit in scope to Amsterdam. What if the person providing the services has a social disease or AIDS? Is does take time between testing and results. The person buying pot at the neighborhood druggiest decides to support his habit by other means than honest work. It's called cause and effect. Wouldn't it be nice to know that half the population driving would be under the influence. That would include bus, truck, train, plane, etc. Pot does not magically disappear out of your system within eight hours. Heck, half the work force would be stoned at any given time. No crime is consensual. But, back to my original question: Is it currently legal or illegal?

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

I don't get it...

You ask "Are they currently legal or illegal?" as if I've somehow denied it (and in the case of prostitution, as if the state of Nevada's laws did not exist). It turns to a crime when there's a victim. On top of that, if you think there's not legal prostitution in Germany you're not aware of German law since 2002 or so. It's legal, and you can trust Wikipedia in this case.

As for AIDS, Nevada's prostitutes have seen 0 STDs for years, because they're constantly checked & they all require rubbers. Can you say the same for places where prostitution is illegal?? And all the cause and effect is a result of black markets made possible by prohibition -- that's economics 101.

And people like pilots or bus drivers would of course have contractual obligations WRT pot, whose effects seem to wane far before alcohol anyway. They have that now with alcohol, but that's up to the market, not government, to decide if you believe in the Bill of Rights. I'm not somehow advocating "Stoner Airlines" when I advocate leaving peaceful people the hell alone because it's cheaper and more moral.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Todays society

Todays society, as a whole, still consider prostitution and pot as illegal and immoral. I'll concede Germany since I haven't been there since 1998. At that time is was still illegal. Most laws were shaped in accordance to moral values at the time, along with contribution from God's commandments (and other religious teachings). To my knowledge, there is still a majority in this country that see it as immoral. Laws were enacted for the population as a whole for safety and security. No law is perfect and someone will always be offended and believe their rights have been trampled. The only way to achieve a true utopia would be to buy an isolated island somewhere and live there by yourself. You would be your own government and its population. No two people will totally agree, even when their philosophy is the same.

I find your use of "peaceful people the hell alone" approach sad. I'm sure this article is about the peaceful people smoking pot and taking a Sunday drive. From NIDA

"Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness,
concentration, coordination, and reaction time. Marijuana use can make
it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the
road.

Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted
in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers
who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested
positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both
marijuana and cocaine. Data
have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same
lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people
who have had too much to drink."

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

I'm also not advocating

"Stoner taxis & bus lines," but it's pretty hard to get a point across to you. Let me put it this way: If I argued anyone not for alcohol prohibition is automatically also a supporter of drunk driving, you'd think the argument looks pretty stupid, right? 'Nuff said. The strawman falls again, but once again it has nothing whatsoever to do with my argument.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Response

Karma, I can't speak to your conservatism personally, but I can tell you different types of conservative bias that exist.

In news media for example, when Fox interviews over 3 times as many conservatives as liberals on the nightly news, hires mostly no name liberals to debate with big name conservatives, and fires long time contributors when they break with the president's opinion for the first time, those are all instances of conservative bias. For evidence of liberal bias, glance at the headline. :-)

In particular stories, one can find an example in how credit has affected/is affecting the poor. A conservative bais might be to focus on the individual responsibility of the debtors and how they entered into the contracts willingly while a liberal slant may focus on the institutional forces at work that stack the deck against the poor.

They both see the same thing, but differently, which leads me to also go out on a limb and say I don't believe bias is always a bad thing. Bias is highly correlated with perspective, and I think increased perspectives in news and information is a good thing. It's only when bias gets in the way of creating solutions to problems that I think we get into trouble.

What would be the objective perspective?

Remixer96,

In your "credit" example, what would you consider to be an "objective" view?

For the most part, I think we get into more trouble when government creates solutions to private problems. I don't oppose government grid-lock in all cases.

None

Again Karma, I don't think there is an objective view of the situation. On the one hand, thepoor tend to be undereducated compared to financial institutions, who have literally billions of dollars to spend on researching ways to convince people to part with their money. But on the other hand, those who took on debt had all the paperwork they needed. If they didn't want to get screwed, why not read the fine print and figure out how it would affect them?

Both sides have merit, and I'm glad to have and understand both, but neither side completely encapsulates the truth. The blame in this case can't be put totally on the debtors or the institutions.

I haven't decided what to think about government yet honestly. I think the decision process it uses now has become broken, and that needs to be revamped before anything else. But I'm not fundamentally opposed to it engaging with the market in a responsible way depending on the circumstances.

/shrug

I see government as a tool for collective will, and I don't believe tools are inherently good or bad. It all depends on how they're applied

there is the difference

 I see government as a tool for collective will

Conservies see the government as a tool to maintain safety on our streets and protect us from external threats.

Libs see the government as tool to decide who gets stuck paying the tab for everyone else.

 

"On the one hand, the poor

"On the one hand, the poor tend to be undereducated compared to financial
institutions, who have literally billions of dollars to spend on
researching ways to convince people to part with their money."

And yet, many of those same financial institutions are on the brink of failure today. So much for stacking the deck against the poor by using superior intellect to outwit and take advantage of the less intelligent, poor, undereducated debtors.

Rebuttal

As I see it, financial institutions today aren't in trouble because they were too effective in marketing to the poor. Instead, they are in trouble because of new securitization techniques.

Essentially, a lender would make a risky loan, chop it up into pieces, and sell it to someone else who wanted a piece of a loan in their investment portfolio. All of a sudden, the lender doesn't have to worry about ever getting paid back as long as he turns around and sells the securities fast enough. This broken market incentive flooded the market with bad loans, which people didn't look close enough into until it was too late, including several banks.

Thus, that banks today are in a precarious position is irrelevant to the fact that they are in a much better negotiating position from the start with regard to an individual loan rather than a poor person.

"Thus, that banks today are

"Thus, that banks today are in a precarious position is irrelevant to
the fact that they are in a much better negotiating position from the
start with regard to an individual loan rather than a poor person."

Banks are in a much better negotiating position from the start with almost everyone they deal with, poor, middle class and rich. So are car salesmen, home builders, lawyers, doctors, dentists, real estate agents, caterers, etc, etc, etc.

The rest of your argument doesn't make sense though. I mean, you say bad loans weren't a problem for the banks, until all the bad loans came back to bite them.

I guess we just have different opinions. You seem to think poor means dumb, or uneducated. I tend to give poor people more credit than that. 

Response

ckc,

You've actually caught the essence of the subprime crisis in a sentence right there. The tricks were the steps in between, which left other people holding the bad loans rather than the people who first lent them (hence the wide spread problems), but yeah, that's essentially it. Check out any of the documetaries or radio programs that have been done on the subject for confirmation.

My opinion is not that poor means dumb, such a simple statement is itself dumb. However, I do think poor people as a whole are less educated, don't have access to as many good financial resources and advice... thus making the group more susceptible to exploitation.

Again, that's not to say there isn't a personal responsibilty component to the problem. But laying the blame entirely at their feet isn't the right answer either.

So, Remix96,

By stating that you don't think there is an objective view, are you saying that everyone is either a conservative or a liberal? If so, are the views monolithic in these two camps and not allowing of degrees of objectivity? My next question may or may not involve Tim Russert or Neil Cavuto.

Lol

No, if only it were that easy. There are a multiplicity of viewpoints beyond liberal and conservative. There's libertarian, green, vegan, authoritarian, parliamentary, collectivist, plutocractic, democractic, autocratic, and a whole host of other views.

Man, I wish it were so easy that life boiled down to only two sides... that would make things alot easier.

Objectivity to the scrapheap?

If you feel there are no objective views by anyone, on any subject, why did you pose your original question as an either/or? A straightforward statement may have been more argumentative, but highly less objective; at least in my view.

Envision Wolf Blitzer interviewing an NB editor.

Wolf: "Is NB conservative or objective?" or...

Wolf: "Being a conservative site, can NB be objective?" or...

Wolf: "There is no objectivity at NB. Why is that?"

I see a difference in the objectivity of the questions. Do you?

My turn

Karma,

My turn to be picky, because I didn't ask whether NB is conservative or objective, I asked whether people considered it to be one or the other.

My intent was to take the temperature of the commenters to see if they see NB as one way or the other. It genuinely had nothing to do with experssing my opinion (for once), and hopefully my wording didn't get in the way too much.

Otherwise, as you said, I would've probably started with a statement.

Fair enough.

Remixer96,

What did your thermometer indicate? Can I pull my pants up now? :-)

BTW, your thoughts on Wolfs' ficticious interview questions?

Doesn't the phrasing of

Doesn't the phrasing of your question imply the categories (conservative or objective) are somehow mutually exclusive?

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Remix

I see government as a tool for collective will,

I defy you to show me, in the Constitution of the United States of America, where is sayes that the goverments purpose is as a tool for the collective will. That would be a consolidation of the goverment. And that would lead to further erosion of state goverments and state rights. You view runs counter to those who wrote and established the our Constitution.

"The greatest calamity which could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers."

And that is exactly what your view is promoting. It would not hurt you a bit to read the Constitution. And perhaps take the time to understand what your reading. Another good book is that will tell you what the founders view on goverment was is "The Federalist Papers". I read it in high school. Have a copy in the book shelves at home.

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Rebuttal

Bass,

1)
Looking at the preamble to start, I'd say that establishing justice, providing a common defense, and promoting the general welfare are all examples of the intent to use government for collective will. Personally, I want a sound defense, as do many others. The government then provides it according to collective will, no?

What would the government be without collective will? Without the consent of the governed, there is no social contract, and either forceful rule or anarchy would result. The words collective will are not in the US Constitution because collective will is a necessary condition for government to even form.

2)
Collective will would only lead to consolidation of the government if it was the will of the people. I think checks and balances are a good idea, as does the majority of the rest of the country. As such, they stay in place.

I agree that consolidating the government would run opposite the founders' intentions, but I am making no such argument here.

3)
I agree with your qutoe. I think limitations on government are absolutely necessary to maintain a free society.

4)
Just so you know, I have read the US Constitution several times over. However, even if I had not, it would not lend any credit to your earlier claims.

Remix...your confused.

Remix...your confused. Anyone that thinks the pre amble would constitute a socilaist reading of the Constitution is sadly ignorant of the founders purpose. "Collective will" reaks of the borg syndrome. The pre amble sets the function of the goverment. It in no way indicates the "collective will" be enforced by the goverment. Simply that the goverment protect individual liberties of the states and the people. As a matter of fact, our republic was set up to protect the minority from the tyranny of a majority. How is that enforcement of "collective will"? Our constitution was written and established to ensure individual libertys. Not the enforcement of a collective will. If that is what you are looking for, visit Lybia or Iran. That is where you find the "collective will" enforcement by the goverment.

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Phrasing

bass,

If you misunderstood my use of collective will to mean socialism then I apologize. I'll use another phrase if you want. Collective action, group effort, whatever. I never advocated socialism here, and to say I did is an outright lie.

I strongly disagree

Why does a news outlet have to give us their perspective? Why can't they interview someone who represents the creditor's view and someone who represents the poor's view, and then let us decide for ourselves who to believe.

That's what real journalism is supposed to be.

I don't *want* a news source that's biased to conservies any more than one that's biased to lefties. I want the news to give me the facts, all the of facts, and nothing but the facts.

Look at people like Tim Russert for example. He was quick to criticize any politician no matter their stripes and kept his personal agendas to himself. It's not that hard to do if you really try.

And as the others mentioned above, there is a big difference between attacking vs correcting. If you can't accept this difference then there's little point in us going on with this discussion.

Response

1)
Why? Because a news organization is made of people, run by people, and viewed by people. In my opinion, trying to shove bias under the rug like we presently do only does a disservice to the viewers. After all, supposedly the stated goals of these institutions is to be objective, but that hasn't stopped NB and MM from flourishing. Why not have organizations just come out with their perspectives so I can better understand their reporting than by claiming they're not human.

2)
I agree with you on the facts news service candance, but I don't think we're going to see it in our lifetimes and here's why: it's boring.

The way journalism is funded right now is based on advertising and eyeballs (well... not PBS, but let's not go there for now) and facts, what some call "hard news," is dull. People don't want to see it. So the news dresses spins itself up and offers "commentary" and "analysis" to make things more interesting (not to mention fill the beast that is the 24 hour news cycle). Given that that's the model for now (though the future may be different) I think news organizations should embrace their viewpoint rather than try to pretend it doesn't exist.

I wish it were, but I don't think fact based journalism is feasible today.

3)
Russert was good, but he again wasn't without his bias critics, most often coming from the MM side of the aisle.

I would take issue with "it's not that hard if you really try." I think trying to deny how one's past and experiences have shaped one's wordlview has led us exactly to this closeted bias situation today where everyone has bias, but they all pretend that they don't. I just think it would be more enlightening to increase transparency in the newsroom moving forward.

4)
I'll say it again, given that commentary and analysis, which often amount to speculation and opinion, have come to dominate the news cycle, I think the lines have become increasingly blurred.

Again, if it's so obvious, please, spell out a definition here. I'm more than willing to hear it. Simply asserting it's obvious and that "you know it when you see it" does not amount to a proper definition.

I agree, Remix, that there

I agree, Remix, that there is no practical way to eliminate bias in the media; it's never going to happen.  As you said, bias is inherent because "the news" is put together by people who have their own value and beliefs as to how the world should operate.  The real problem is the lack of honesty in this process.  I hear all kinds of references in the mainstream press, stand-up comics, even in Hollywood productions, to how baised FOX News is ("Faux News," etc.)  Yet, the only references I see and hear to how biased CNN, CNBC, ABC, NBC and CBS are is pretty much sites like this one and other more right leaning pundits, such as Limbaugh.  There are no references to he inherent bias of the mainstream outlets in popular culture like there are against FOX News.   The average guy on the street probably believes that FOX is the only biased network.  I know conservatives who buy into this belief too, because they are told to believe this by most of the media.

So, why is it that only FOX News is held accountable for its apparent biases?  Why are CNN and the others, including the NY Times, which is in the tank for the Dems, still given more credibility in general than FOX?  Why does CBS News, after the Rathergate affair, have any credibility?  CNN admitted essentially taking bribes from Saddam Hussein in exchange for squelching certain news from Iraq.  Why does CNN have any credibility after this fiasco?  Sure, there are those of us who participate in these websites that are well aware of the transgressions of most of the media.  I just don't think that most of the public gets that same message.

Yeah

I wish more people understood the extent of bias in the media as well.

But then, I suppose that's what NewsBusters is for.

Bingo, remix, we've now come

Bingo, remix, we've now come full circle.  Both sides can present their case for biases.  Personally, I believe the conservatives have a more legitimate gripe about media bias than liberals.  The libs may have a few good points and may win a battle here and there, but on this one they lose the war.

"In news media for example,

"In news media for example, when Fox interviews over 3 times as many
conservatives as liberals on the nightly news, hires mostly no name
liberals to debate with big name conservatives, and fires long time
contributors when they break with the president's opinion for the first
time, those are all instances of conservative bias."

I would say this is evidence of your liberal bias more than it is of Fox news conservative bias.

*Raise Eyebrows*

It's now a liberal point of view to point out that it's not "fair and balanced" to interview three times as many conservatives as liberals on nightly news?

Hm. Interesting. You're entitled to your opinion I suppose.

Remix, it is your view that

Remix, it is your view that fox interviews 3 conservitives to 1 liberal. That assertion in its self is a liberal talking point. In reality, it is a false statement. It is untrue, in other words. Your liberal leanings are showing through. You talking points are tired and mundane. Dont dribble the democratic talking points.

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Great point.

Great point.

"Views"

Bass,

Do not cloud what a fact is. It can be proven that Fox over a time period interviewed 3 times more conservatives than liberals or not. Such a fact cannot be invalidated by the people that invoke it if it is true.

That said, I claim it's true, you claim it's false. We disagree over the facts. I don't have that particular citation with me at work (I know I have it at home), so I'll have to get back to you and who and how it was calculated, but I would like to emphasize:

Just because a particular group cites a fact does not make it false, or an opinion.

In my view, this has become one of the worst side effects of sweeping bias under the rug. People are so suspicious of everything they can't even agree on the facts anymore.

At any rate, I'll pull up the source for you when I get home, but I thought I would respond to that point now.

Remix, Such a fact

 Such a fact cannot be invalidated by the people that invoke it if it is true.

The ignorance of that statement is worthy of framing. Facts cannot be validated by an "if". The very presense of the "if", invalidates the "fact".

You "claim" is it true. So I guess if you "claim" Russia is not in Georgia, that makes that a fact also?

Your entire response is predicated on "if a fact is true" and your claim that it is. So much for your logic.

Proof is required for your claimed facts. Not belief or conjecture or emailed democratic talking points. Media Matters, as a matter of recourse, puts out deliberate lies and half truths. And a half truth is a lie in its self. Lets see the study and the criteria of the study and the results of the study on fox. Then maybe your argument will carry a little weight. Right now, your full of helium.

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Don't get confused

bass, you're running yourself in circles and you'll attempt to disprove truth if you're not careful.

One can assert that a fact is true while its veracity is in question. I can claim that grass is red all day, but there is a scientific, measured way we can go about verifying it.

What I was opposing to in your statement was the idea that because a group uses the fact, it is automatically brought under suspicion via ad hominem logic regardless of its veracity. If I recall your reasoning: Remix stated a fact -> That fact has been used by liberals -> thus, that fact is false, and remix is a liberal.

Hogwash.

Btw, the study I was looking at is a bit dated (I'm starting to show my age), but it's found at the website below.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1187 

remixer

FACT:

I just came from Urban Outfitters -- sorry, Liberal Thought Pushers Outfitters --  here in the bastion of "there is only one party you need to know about" NYC. In the t-shirts section, they had not one but two (and maybe more but I had to get out of there) different Barack Obama shirts to choose from, and displayed prominently where people pass by frequently.

A clothing retail store pushing one ideological agenda. A fact, and a disgusting/disturbing one, at that.

Yes, I'm off-topic a bit with this, but it's just another example of a culture of brainwashing and propaganda. 

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

Yes but...

Yes, but things are never as they seem. Did you know Urban Outfitters is owned by a conservative, Richard Hayne?

Crazy stuff. 

R96

I'll take your word for that, and no, didn't know it.

I mean, it's the Obama machine and their unlimited money that's buying all of this exposure, from his 10-1 (over McCain, it seems) ad blitz -- I see his banners on just about every site I visit -- to placements of shirts in hip clothing stores to his O-Force One jet to, you name it.

Yeah, he's a whole new kind of politician looking to change the old culture of Washington... *head swivels*

If a script about a Hollywood-style manufacturing of a candidate on this level were submitted to a studio, they'd turn it down for being too unbelievable.

I guess there was The Candidate, and Citizen Kane, sort of, but this is really happening, and it's stranger than fiction, as it goes. 

 

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For REAL Change

Remix, where is it written

Remix, where is it written that FOX interviews three times as many conservatives as liberals?  Also, I rarely see the conservative perspective presented on any other network, other than FOX.  Why do other networks seem to shun a more conservative viewpoint?  Why are all network anchors liberal (with the possible exception of Hume)?  Why are former Democrat operatives employed at such a high rate and in high-profile spots on the major networks, but former Republican operatives have no such luck landing these jobs?  As per my post above, why is FOX News the point of discussion instead of the over-the-top biases of the NY Times, CBS News, CNBC, etc., all of which are in the tank for a particular candidate and party?

Agree

Smarty,

As I said above, I agree that Fox should not be held to a different standard than the other news outlets.

I do contend that Fox leans to the right, but I don't want to change them, I'd rather just have everyone make their bias explicit.

But there are different standards

Where you see Fox News as leaning to the right, we see it as more moderate. They try to provide a more neutral version of events and tries to ensure that both sides are represented. One exception, Bill O'Reilly who slants to the right. All others in the line-up usually provide talking heads from both sides.

But a bigger question to ponder is why no one wants to talk about ABC, MSMBC, CBS, etc. Its always Fox News.

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

that's the problem with a simpleminded left-right line

It can't possibly measure the obvious fact that Bill O'Reilly really doesn't slant right, he slants DOWN, as in populist/authoritarian. See BOR's oil "price gouging" conspiracy theories for details. And IMO Fox, like the other networks that are purportedly so different from Fox, slants antilibertarian.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Finding the Center

Humble,

You raise a good point. How does one define the center and news organizations' proximities to it?

We both agree that Fox is to the right of the other newscasts, but how far towards/past the center is it?

I don't know... and I don't know if there's a good way to measure it either...

I suppose we'll have to simply hold different opinons on how close to moderate Fox News is for now.

Finding the Center

Humble,

You raise a good point. How does one define the center and news organizations' proximities to it?

We both agree that Fox is to the right of the other newscasts, but how far towards/past the center is it?

I don't know... and I don't know if there's a good way to measure it either...

I suppose we'll have to simply hold different opinons on how close to moderate Fox News is for now.

MM vs. NB

MM is a political organ of the Clintons and presumably of the DNC. NB has no such affiliation.

Showing liberal bias in the media by definition is a center and right activity, because it effectively shows the bias (with documentation), presents how a story could have been made objective or neutral, and gives the balance that is absent in the MSM. Commenters are independent of NB - here leftists can opine, unlike on the leftists sites.

Interesting

That's interesting Joe. That would be a pretty important difference.

Of course I can't take your word for it, but I'll have to look into it.

The answers are just clicks away

The comment in the banner of every page reads: "“Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias.” There is also an "About" tab at the top of the page. Click it, and the mission statement is right there. Of course, just because you're opposing liberal media bias doesn't automatically prove you're a conservative. You might be a liberal who simply hates bias. You might be a fiscal conservative but a social liberal.

But let's not kid each other -- the overwhelming majority of people here are just plain conservatives.

What I think is important, though, is that the NewsBusters staff doesn't just toss off a liberal "outrage" and then wallow in nasty name calling. The staff usually writes a solid background piece to explain why the incident in question reveals bias. You are free to examine the reasoning, and agree or disagree with it. If you want to compare NewsBusters with MediaMatters, read MM's arguments and compare them with NB's arguments. NB's arguments are (usually, not always, but usually) directed to any fair listener. I haven't read anything from MM in a while, but my past experience was that MM only directed their arguments to their own peanut gallery. (If you didn't already agree with Eric Alterman, he never said anything to persuade you. He just repeated assumptions without defending them.)

You also have to draw a distinction between the actual NewsBusters staff and the rest of us who offer comments. I think you'll find that the NB staff is much more focused on actual media commentary, whereas the rest of us respond about almost anything. Sure, a lot of it is just razzing from the bleachers, but so what? What's so wrong with a little booing? (OK, I confess, I grew up in Philadelphia ...)

Response

KC:
I've read the about, but I thought I would ask the question anyway. I'm interested to hear what people have to say about it.

While I think the guy in the article above doesn't do MM any help, I find most of MM's articles to be about the same quality as most of NB's articles. That includes undefended assumptions on both sides, but I don't really see either one as more persuasive than the other. Maybe that's just my opinion.

And indeed, there's certainly a difference between staff and commenters, but as a spectator I can only ask the question in one place, ya know?

Opinion

That's fine. I would like to see us attack some of the undefended assumptions, though, on both sides. I mean, how can I know my own blind spots? The only way to find them is to engage adversaries who are trying to exploit them. They'll find them for me.

We need that kind of site where liberals and conservatives attack each other's assumptions instead of each other's motives. I'd love to find a political scrum, where we can push and pull on the actual ideas. If there are any out there, let me know, will ya?

Indeed

Indeed, and the same to you.

Two Differences

I've read NB and MM for about the same amounr of time. Unlike Newsbusters, Media Matters regularly runs corrections.

The other difference is that Media Matters is partly funded by George Soros.

Del

You're incorrect. I've seen corrections on NB many times. Sorry if you were looking at MM when this happened.

On "corrections"

Its well known that when the media report a story for the first time, that's the story the readers tend to remember.  "Corrections" that come afterward rarely get noticed.  Could it be that MM intentionally distorts the story the first time knowing this is the case and then only afterward publishes "corrections"?

 Alternatively, why is MM wrong so often that it needs to publish so many corrections?

 

 

Those who have not swords can still die upon them.

I saw Corsi this a.m.

being interviewed on F&F (since Mika the Twit is on 2 week hiatus for the Olympics).

He said that Kos had posted his address on his website, and encouraged his readers to harass Corsi's family.

Corsi stated he'd received death threats.

Nice liberals, they just can't stand anything that resembles a fact, huh? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

not surprised

And then they have the nerve to wonder why people call them the cesspool of the internet.

Death Threats

Hmmmm.....death threats over facts published in a book about their Messiah vis-a-vis death threats over an islamic cartoon.

Liberals & islamic fundamentalists.

Think about it.  Seriously.  The similiarities in the mindset is rather frightening. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, don't you know that

Blonde, don't you know that it's conservatives who are "intolerant" of opposing views and foster an atmosphere where killing liberals is OK?

See previous blog: 

"Shock Talk" radio incites violence? 

Oh, right...sorry mb

What was I thinking?

Those genial, loving, open-minded (I hate BUSH the idiot!!!) liberals who would never think of making a death threat.

Unlike us evil conservatives.  Gotcha.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Does this extend to

Does this extend to torture???  I mean, I have great fun with showing a picture of Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh or W to liberals during their lunch hour and watching turn beet red and gag. <sarcasm>

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

On death threats...

I hope Corsi and his family are "gun nuts".

 

Those who have not swords can still die upon them.

Get the sequoia out of you own eye

I agree that Corsi should not repeat things that are not true.

But then again (and again and again raised to the hundredth power) the MSM should not repeat “Bush stole the 2000 election”, “Bush lied, people died”, the various false allegations of Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson, etc., and should not repeatedly quote, or hand over the microphone to, those who speak these lies for the MSM.

For Larry King to rake Corsi over the coals for merely following the example that he and all of his colleagues in the MSM practice everyday is the height of hypocrisy.

Hey, Larry, get the sequoia out of you own eye before …

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Great Post, needle

The msm repeats outright lies ad infinitem, until they take on a life of their own.  Let's see, their coverage essentially blamed President Bush for Hurricane Katrina's impact on New Orleans (even as other areas which were hit just as hard recovered just fine); proclaimed the Iraq War to be lost (in its second week); repeated the allegation that Bush's tax cuts were only for the rich (a downright lie); gave credibility to anyone willing to speak out against Bush, while brushing his supporters under the rug; relied upon phony documents to unseat our sitting president just weeks before an election; covered up a Clinton operative caught red-handed stuffing highly classified documents down his pants in the middle of an investigation on the very subject of those documents, etc.

Communist playbook

So the Kos has posted Corsi's address and wants him to be harassed. This, of couse, is right out of the Communist playbook. It's one of their many methods aimed at silencing any dissent. John Kerry was a traitor to his fellow soldiers, and his country. That's the truth. Barack is a Communist; that's the truth. Nothing should be more fearful to Americans today than Russia's invasion of Georgia. It is history repeating itself. Have we so quickly forgotten the 30's, 40's, and 50's? The election of Barry (God forbid ) will show that Communism is far from dead and that Americans have lost their will to fight for their own freedom and independence. 

NEVER.NEVER trust a "liberal"

king: Mr. Corsi, did you

king: Mr. Corsi, did you say -- did you tell The New York Times the purpose of the book is to defeat Obama? Corsi said yes.

Larry can't be this stupid. Come to think of it, he does work for CNN. What a compete glittering idiot. Too bad Corsi didn't follow through with, "No Larry, I wrote the freakin book to defeat McCain. And while I'm at it "fish face" why am I wasting my time with you and Mr. Marx where your total sum viewers are less than the amount of people who bought Pelosi's book.  I'm going to Fox."

Corsi was a disappointment

I watched the interview with Jerome Corsi on Larry King Live and also when Corsi was on Hannity and Colmes. I felt that Mr. Corsi could have defended himself much better than he did. His comebacks in the face of those attacks were weak and timid.

Yes he was badgered by both the Media Matters representative and Alan Colmes.  But he should expect a hammering from the media during these interviews. After all he is attacking the media’s goldenboy, Barack Hussein Obama, just as he attacked the media's darling in 2004 John Forbes Kerry (who, by the way, served in Viet Nam).

It may not be a fair comparison, but Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter or Newt Gingrich, or Karl Rove, among many others, would have done a much better job handling the badgering.

If Mr. Corsi can't do better in these "interviews" (or hitjobs), than he should consider not doing interviews with the liberal media and let the book speak for itself.

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The Liberal Mind at Work

Posting addresses on the net. Only a true Dumbacrat or a totally brain dead liberal would stand for that and not denounce it as "Over the Top".

The liberal mind absolutely mind boggling.

Hey Remixer96

I suppose that when CNN has a collective 5 guest panel its fair and balanced when 4 of them are Liberal. Get over yourself or open your eyes.