What happens when a society bans guns, and then the crime wave comes with knives? Is knife control next? Friday’s Washington Post suggests the answer is yes in Great Britain.
We at MRC saw knife-control writing on the wall many years ago. In 1990, a Utah man was stabbed in New York, and we saw this quote in the Post, from then-reporter Michael Specter: "The slaying, and those that preceded it and will follow it, certainly will intensify cries for more police and harsher penalties for criminals. But as long as the type of knife used to kill Watkins is sold in half of the variety stores in Times Square, it will be difficult to recruit enough police to erase this crime wave."
Post reporters Kevin Jordan and Jill Colvin suggested Britain’s crime wave is showing that mentality is breaking out again:
Knife crime among young people has sparked a widespread debate in recent weeks in Britain, where police say they have seen "a worrying trend" toward more severe knife attacks involving younger attackers and victims.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown on Thursday announced a crackdown on teenagers carrying knives, saying that those as young as 16 will be prosecuted for knife possession on the first offense. Previously, anyone younger than 18 generally received only a warning.
"Young people need to understand that carrying knives doesn't protect you, it does the opposite -- it increases the danger for all of us, destroys young lives and ruins families," Brown said after meeting with top police and government officials at his 10 Downing Street office. "Recent tragic events have reminded us of that."
In a country where almost all guns are illegal, police say knives are the most popular weapons carried by youths in major cities from London to Glasgow. A police stop-and-search campaign in London last month found that about 5 percent of the 4,200 youths randomly checked were carrying knives.
The Post story doesn't contain any rebuttal from the Conservatives, if they have any Members of Parliament who aren't gun-control advocates. Instead, the Post only found more liberal opinion:
[Academic Enver] Solomon said the problem was rooted in factors such as poor educational achievement and a lack of social services for many children.
On Thursday, some youth workers said Brown's initiatives were insufficient. "If the answer was to lock up more young people, then we would have solved the problem years ago," David Chaytor of the youth advocacy group Rainer told BBC Radio.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center















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Brain Explodes - splat on
June 6, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Dan The Man 2Brain Explodes - splat on the wall.
I cant believe my eyes - knife control .... what will we control next our thoughts? Personally I carry a knife/multipurpose tool in my pocket at all times. It has come in handy and is a boys best friend. I am ... how does Noel say it ... Verklempt.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
at least they're a
June 6, 2008 - 14:05 ET by TruthMongerat least they're a millimeter closer to the actual cause of crime
let me know when they ban people
You may get your wish
June 6, 2008 - 21:55 ET by UnsaneAlready happening. Check out some of the birth rates on Continental Europe.
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Ban the knives...then
June 6, 2008 - 10:59 ET by taterBan the knives...then people will go to rocks and pointy sticks...then ban rocks and pointy sticks.
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When my daughter was in day
June 6, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Dan The Man 2When my daughter was in day care they would not allow guns and such for play. So the kids resorted to doing the gun finger thing and the teachers wondered if they needed to ban that. It is halarious that humans will do what they need to do to express themselves in teh way they need to.
I think taking away recess in schools is very detrimental to a childs development. They need some recreation.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Tater They Already Have Problems W/Rocks
June 6, 2008 - 18:35 ET by geoff.galeLoads of churches in Old Blighty have already been attacked by good Muslims throwing bricks and rocks through their evil stained glass windows in an effort to get the Christians to abandon the building. Then the good Muslims want to turn it into a mosque.
Any more, England reminds me of a kindergarden class with no supervision.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
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Will the Sikhs will be
June 6, 2008 - 11:03 ET by acadia1755Will the Sikhs will be allowed to carry their ceremonial Daggers?
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Of course. That's
June 6, 2008 - 11:08 ET by NewsbusterbrownOf course. That's different. Don't be silly. ;-)
Typical liberal tomfoolery.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
How About The Homegrown Threats
June 6, 2008 - 20:48 ET by geoff.galeThe Scots with their bagpipes - those stick-like thingies could be used to beat someone. And don't those kilt-clad types wear a ceremonial knife in the outside of one of their knee-socks?
The bobbies with their shrill whistles - you could hurt an eardrum with one of those.
The pub pint glass - a fella could get a nasty cut from one of those.
Football (soccer) and rugby cleats - I wince just thinking of the damage these could do.
Cricket bats - Again, the pain wells in me just thinking about getting hit by one of these monsters.
etc.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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Can forks be far behind?
June 6, 2008 - 11:08 ET by KC MulvilleThis is really getting silly. I seriously doubt taking away a couple weapons from London street punks is going to make any difference. They'll just find another weapon. What will authorities do when punks use their bare hands? You can't take their hands off. (Ooops, I hope I haven't given them an idea ...)
And I'm going to be totally old school and say the following: parents (and governments) can't prevent every possible danger in the world. Parents shouldn't hide their children from the world because of danger; instead, parents should teach their children how to live in that world, despite the danger.
We got that covered
June 6, 2008 - 11:19 ET by JTP"Solomon said the problem was rooted in factors such as poor educational
achievement and a lack of social services for many children."
A knife ban cant happen here in the US because we have one of the highest funded educational systems in the world. And a pretty thick social service net.
Don't we?
Well
June 6, 2008 - 11:12 ET by BlazerWell if British Parliament bans knives, the people can always take solace in the fact that when the muslim extremists take over everyone will be allowed at least one RPG and AK per household.
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" The Cake is a lie."
What about
June 6, 2008 - 11:17 ET by 10ksnookerBanning knife sharpeners and files?
Liberals live in an alternate universe.
Can we just cut the incrementalism?
June 6, 2008 - 11:38 ET by NBFJust put everyone in jail cells to work as slaves for the government who are all good and benevolent, just like the totalitarian left wants.
Padded cells. No shoelaces. Paper clothes (recyclable, of course). We can't have the slaves hurting each other or themselves.
Oh, but none of this applies to the taskmasters, who are armed to the teeth.
soon Europeans will need to have their nanny cut up their food
June 6, 2008 - 11:42 ET by Dee BunkFor them. They'll have government "cutting" stations where you go to get your food chopped up.
Then there will be Scissor control and Box cutter control and Glass control with more and more government stations for anything involving a sharp object
Then next it will be Blunt object control.
I thought this headline was factitious when I clicked on it. It's really wild how it can be true! Twilight zone for sure.
Destroys families
June 6, 2008 - 12:09 ET by kd5463Wow, I didn't know the knife I keep in my car for emergencies destroys families! I better get it out of there!
I read somewhere that
June 6, 2008 - 12:10 ET by Ten7sI read somewhere that something like 4,000 British a day are emigrating, with crap like this its small wonder. BTW, all of you British fleeing the gov't insanity, you're very welcome here.
Next it will be spoons.
June 6, 2008 - 12:38 ET by mattmNext it will be spoons. Libs won't stop until we're all wearing chains and striped suits - or we're all dead....
Lol - we'll all be in padded cells with our free health care!
June 6, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Dee BunkYipeeeeeeee!
Not for you Dee. Your
June 6, 2008 - 13:02 ET by bassndudeNot for you Dee. Your having to much fun bouncing around in your padded cell. Changing yours duct tape.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Dang Bass
June 6, 2008 - 13:11 ET by Dee BunkIt's hard to get excited about that - even with free health care! ; )
Yeah Dee, it would be real
June 6, 2008 - 13:14 ET by bassndudeYeah Dee, it would be real easy to get all wraped up:-)
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass - or better yet
June 6, 2008 - 13:28 ET by Dee BunkStuck! : 0
The liberals would get the fun padded cells where they still thought they had some control, but we'd be wrapped so tight to keep us quiet and keep the cost down at the same time. Our free health care = duct tape. What a deal ; )
Not a bad Idea Dee. You may
June 6, 2008 - 13:34 ET by bassndudeNot a bad Idea Dee. You may be on to something here.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Knives
June 6, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Emma GrumpHa-Ha - spoons - that's good. And it will be illegal to sharpen them or make them pointy. Combat forks should be banned as well, because Lord knows how many die each year from fork attacks.
we wont stop until all knives, forks, and spoons are banned
June 6, 2008 - 13:42 ET by lunaticcringeradioanyone want to go in with me on a company that is contracted by the government to enforce spoon regulation. soon we'll all have our government issued and serial numbered spoon at birth that we'll have to make last for our whole life.
wow now this means gordon ramsey, bobby flay, alton brown, and rachal ray are all going to be criminals soon.
banning knives now huh, where are we going to blame the people who commit the crimes instead of the inanimate objects they use as the tool. how liberally stooopid.
at this point all i hear in my head is carl saying "some folks calls it a slang blade, but i calls it a kiaser blade" carls is still smarter than a liberal.
well they wont take my knives because they'll have to get past my gun first.
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At Last
June 6, 2008 - 14:45 ET by bradbenj5952Finally, they are going to solve that old problem with violence and murder, too many guns, too many knives...wait what about rocks? How did Cain kill Abel without guns? Maybe a knife? Could have been a rock...yeah, yeah, that's it! Rock control. Stick control. What about gravity, you can kill someone with gravity, and, and, and...
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis
Knives are more deadly...
June 6, 2008 - 16:02 ET by Dr_LibertyInterestingly, a knife is more deadly at 20 feet than a gun is. That sounds weird, until you figure out that you still can miss a shot at 20 feet in a tense situation (even when well trained) and that a knife slash can cut across alot more tissue and veins than a gun can. It is way more difficult to stop bleeding with a knife cut.
What guns do is give people who are smaller an opportunity to hold off people before they can get too close. While they might not be accurate, the mere brandishing of a gun is often enough to end a bad situation.
In martial arts, we actually learned how to use a rolled up magazine as a weapon and believe me that can really hurt if directed at the right place, at the right angle and the right amount of force.
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Huh???
June 6, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Indiana Joe"Interestingly, a knife is more deadly at 20 feet than a gun is."
Are you suggesting throwing the knife?
"Interestingly, a knife
June 6, 2008 - 20:34 ET by general company"Interestingly, a knife is more deadly at 20 feet than a gun is."
Trust me, my gun is far more leathal then my knife is, at any distance
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'Generally', I agree with
June 7, 2008 - 06:27 ET by Franksam'Generally', I agree with you, but many police officers I've worked with in bars have told me that a person with a knife does have a better chance of inflicting damage. They can do so even if drunk or high, and knife wounds are nasty. I've been robbed at both knifepoint and with a pistol in my back. I was scared both times, and despite what my police officer friends say, I now carry a gun. Of course, I also look for threatening behavior a little earlier, which is important. FYI, I live in Colorado, and carry permits are on a 'shall issue' basis.
Wow Franksam - that is horrible
June 7, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Dee BunkI can't imagine how I'd feel if something like that had happened to me twice. Thank goodness you live in a place that allows you to carry one. I could never personally carry a gun, but I'd be fine with people not knowing whether I had one or not.
how about frozen cow poop?
June 6, 2008 - 16:06 ET by wizardjrTheir insanity is never recognizing (in public) that inanimate objects are not the issue. Those of us who have worked to save our Second Amendment rights have joked for decades about Knife Owners Identification Cards, serial numbered blades, Illinois Form 8872 Permission To Purchase An Edged Implement, etc., etc.
What happens when someone gets killed with a frozen cow poop?
Think about this: violent felons in state penitentaries, one of the most secure places on the planet, are constantly being found in possession of shanks make from some of the most unblievable materials. Are all hardware stores going to work like gun shops? Insanity.
Guns stop Knife Fights 100 % of the Time
June 6, 2008 - 20:28 ET by JayTeeTry it EU you'll like the results