On Election Night 1990, after the news broke that Sen. Jesse Helms had beaten black Democrat Harvey Gantt, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell mourned "This has really been a heart-breaking race," and compared Helms to racist David Duke. On Thursday, Mitchell was seeing old Helms commercials as she denounced the North Carolina Republican Party ads featuring Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s "God damn America" comments. "This has such deep roots in the North Carolina Republican Party, the Jesse Helms Republican Party," she complained on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.
During her 1 pm newscast on Wednesday, Mitchell interviewed McCain adviser Jack Kemp, and asked him what the ad says "about the Republican Party." Kemp agreed with McCain’s call to pull the ad, but displeased Mitchell by adding "The American people know exactly what Reverend Wright stands for. That's Barack Obama's problem and it's going to stick for him for a long time to come."
In the 8 am hour of Morning Joe, co-host Willie Geist cued up the North Carolina GOP ad with disdain, as if the garbage truck was coming around the corner: "We’ve seen this theme. We knew it was coming." After the ad was replayed, Mitchell was sour: "Classic...I mean, this goes -- this has such deep roots in the North Carolina Republican Party. The Jesse Helms Republican Party, this kind of advertising. John McCain has disavowed it."
A few minutes later, she added that it would damage the GOP, and McCain. As Scarborough said McCain suggested he couldn’t make them stop the ad campaign, Mitchell protested: "You would think that if their nominee said ‘look, this is hurting us and my attempt to run a different type of campaign’ -- I mean, John McCain is – needs to appeal to independents, and now that he's won the nomination, he's got to start broadening the base. And he can't be running this kind of campaign himself."
Scarborough agreed, saying that McCain went to Selma, Alabama, not to win half of the black vote, but to appeal to suburban voters, to send a "message to moderates," and "this ad really undermines that." Isn't it odd that "moderate voters" would somehow approve of Reverend Wright's comments, or at least think those are less offensive than the people airing them?
About 38 minutes into the 1 PM hour Eastern time on Wednesday, Mitchell interviewed McCain adviser Jack Kemp, first about McCain’s remarks in Kentucky on the economy, and then on the allegedly offensive Wright ad:
MITCHELL: John McCain has written a letter and I gather in the last few minutes, in fact, spoken out against this ad. He's written a letter to the North Carolina Republican Party, telling them that he does not want them to run this ad. He said that "the television advertisement you're planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have from Democrats. In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement." He's obviously taking a very strong stand, but what does it say about the Republican Party that the North Carolina Republicans were planning to run this ad?
KEMP: Well, I think most people would understand that this is a state party in North Carolina. I agree with John. I don't think they need to run and shouldn't run that ad. The American people know exactly what Reverend Wright stands for. That's Barack Obama's problem and it's going to stick for him for a long time to come. I would like to see this -- and I think John has pointed this out -- that it's better for our democratic process to talk about what you're for, not what you're just against. And I think he has tried to lift the level of debate.
It's going to be a tough campaign, but it's going to be respectful, and I think John, in going to Selma, Alabama, and talking about John Lewis, the great civil rights leader, and going to Appalachia, and as I mentioned before, Andrea, going into Youngstown, Ohio, getting picketed for believing in free trade is not all that bad. Because frankly, the enemy of the steelworker in Ohio or Buffalo, New York, is not in Japan or Germany or Brazil. The enemy are the tax policies and regulatory policies in Washington, D.C. And that's what John McCain is after.
It’s odd that Mitchell or any other network reporter would think that an ad featuring Wright’s "God Damn America" remarks was more negative (and more damaging to a candidate) than Wright’s comments themselves. But Mitchell has mourned the North Carolina Republican Party in the past. From the November 1990 edition of MRC’s old MediaWatch newsletter:
After Helms beat Gantt by eight points, reporters became sore losers. From Gantt's election-night party, Mitchell reported: "This has really been a heart-breaking race....What happened here was a very strong racial message from Jesse Helms in the closing ten days of the race and it focused on something that we've found, found previously in Louisiana with the David Duke campaign."
(Hat tips: Mark Levin show, Laura Ingraham show)
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center



MITCHELL: John McCain has written a letter and I gather in the last few minutes, in fact, spoken out against this ad. He's written a letter to the North Carolina Republican Party, telling them that he does not want them to run this ad. He said that "the television advertisement you're planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have from Democrats. In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement." He's obviously taking a very strong stand, but what does it say about the Republican Party that the North Carolina Republicans were planning to run this ad? 












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The way these MSM types are
April 24, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Chris NormanThe way these MSM types are speaking, you'd think we weren't selecting a president, but trying to canonize a deserving Obama as a national saint.
AMEN BROTHA!
April 24, 2008 - 19:30 ET by heldmywCan I get a "GOD DAMN AMERIKKKA" for the rebum Barrah Hoosane Obamaaaaa?!!
I am still waiting for
April 24, 2008 - 17:21 ET by motherbeltI am still waiting for someone to explain exactly what in that ad is "racially divisive."
Criticizing someone black is racially divisive?
Oh, I get it...showing a black man cursing America is racially divisive!! We are supposed to turn our heads and pretend it didn't happen!!
Silly me!
Didn't you get the memo.
April 24, 2008 - 17:26 ET by JerryDidn't you get the memo. Telling the truth about any democrat is either racially divisive or Swiftboating.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
You are correct, there is
April 24, 2008 - 17:29 ET by Free ThinkerYou are correct, there is nothing racially divisive about the ad. The point is any criticism of Obama's policies, ideology, or the un-patriotic people he associates with will be labeled racist by the msm in an effort to divert attention away from their socialist candidate. I find it offensive, frankly.
May I call you 'FT'?
April 24, 2008 - 18:31 ET by Franksam"..the msm in an effort to divert attention away from their socialist candidate."
Thank you, FT, but let's recognize that none of MSM Socialists are advocating socialized media, wherein the stars only get one-hundredth (or less), of what they are currently receiving in compensation. They all seem to think that oil companies are making too much money, but that Katie and Keith deserve every penny and perk because they are truth-tellers. They are good readers, I'll stipulate, but try filling your gas tank or refrigerator with anything the media produces.
If BHO suggested nationalization of the airwaves, which supposedly belong to the people, the media elites would be the first to suggest that he is dangerous. They just like socialism for the 'unwashed', such as me.
mb, See my comment above.
April 24, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Chris Normanmb,
See my comment above. It's going to be like the GOP is nastily standing in the way of Obama being canonized as Saint Obama.
HOSANNA AMERIKKKA!
April 24, 2008 - 19:32 ET by heldmywOops! Sorry, gotta go. I'm working on a new worldwide AIDs-like virus that only kills black democrats, and the new legos are here!
I'm so sick of the talking
April 24, 2008 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerI'm so sick of the talking heads whining their leftist heads off....I'm also tired of McCain apologizing.
Let's see....I really liked Helms, I miss him.
I don't like McCain.... pretty soon he may have a press conference demanding the NC GOP take off the ads....I already heard some stations are refusing to play them...there is NOTHING wrong with them, this is politics...geesh....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
MSM all over negative Dem ads
April 24, 2008 - 17:27 ET by Gary HallGosh Tim. Has any MSM outlet, or MSM reporter, ever framed a discussion on the correctness of a political ad purely on a negative (and/or dishonest) Democratic ad as the target of the spot, and without using said negative Democrat ad as simply the segue into presenting their view that the Republicans are worse? (;~/ Gary
This is just the beginning...
April 24, 2008 - 17:34 ET by unkeeafAny type of ad that ties Obama to the Wright comments will be immediately repudiated by the MSM and called racist. I honestly saw absolutely nothing wrong with the ad. He sat in that church and listened to the guy spread this filth for 20 years. He can't be held accountable for that?
What if McCain had attended a church for 20 years where the preacher routinely said black people were devils? Imagine how the tables would be turned? Think Mitchell would be crying about the injustice of the ad the DNC turned out? Hell no, she'd be talking about McCain sitting in that pew listening that stuff.
These people are so transparent. Why can't the Republicans stand their ground instead of folding up like a cheap suit.
Long way to November
April 24, 2008 - 17:44 ET by DocThe MSM believe what Rev. Wright said so they see any criticisms of BHO and/or the Rev. as racist. Sad ain't it. But that is the political correct America these days.
For the sake of his
April 24, 2008 - 19:37 ET by heldmywFor the sake of his centrism, McCain is obliged to repudiate the harsher stuff.
He's going to live or die by the swing of the moderates, and, unless I'm severely mistaken, those moderates will be as much Democrats as Republicans.
Besides. He's the nominee, not the dictator. What a State Party wants to do... they're gonna do. He can like it or lump it and I suspect he knows that.
Let the local party manage their own. They know what resonates, what works and what is a bowl of lukewarm oatmeal with sour llama milk.
Let's hope McCain takes a few cues.
Speaking of McCain here...I
April 24, 2008 - 19:51 ET by bigtimerSpeaking of McCain here...I just saw the last part of a segment on Dobb's I think it was where he was saying how he would of done a much better job than Pres. Bush regarding Katrina...
I'm going to look for the link later if available.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
McCain made a smart move...
April 24, 2008 - 20:55 ET by mwfsu84by calling for the state GOP to quit running the ad, he's brought more national attention to it than it would have ever received in the state of North Carolina. Plus, as you say, it makes McCain look like a moderate.
Once the media thinks some
April 24, 2008 - 17:40 ET by Chris NormanOnce the media thinks some strategy works to sway public opinion - like comparing Iraq to Vietnam X 1000, they will pound away at it. With any ad mentioning Reverend Wright, they will employ the strategy of raising the "racially devisive" Willie Horton ad myth.
Exactly Chris...and
April 24, 2008 - 17:44 ET by bigtimerExactly Chris...and yet will we have anybody fighting this back equally on our side of the aisle like Linda Daves of the NC GOP did?
Btw...I am not including the radio shows here...lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt,At the first sign of
April 24, 2008 - 17:52 ET by Chris Normanbt,
At the first sign of manufactured controversy, most of the GOP heads for the tall grass, and let talk radio hosts defend them. Have you seen many signs of a GOP presence oot in the news? It's like they're all in a bunker somewhere.
Republican hardball
April 24, 2008 - 17:56 ET by Mica the MagnificentPlant the tall grass - - and they will come.
Mica.... ...LMAO...you're on
April 24, 2008 - 18:01 ET by bigtimerMica....
...LMAO...you're on a roll today!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You got that right
April 24, 2008 - 18:00 ET by bigtimerYou got that right Chris...like Rush said quite awhile back now, he isn't gonna' carry the water for the GOP anymore....although in some ways he is....hehhee
I've listened to radio all day just about going about my business here and there, which is rare for me....Laura, Rush and Hannity have all been good.
Anyone interested Hannity is going to have on Fred Thompson tonight in H&C...may be interesting, but I think I know what he is basically gonna' say....one thing about it, I'll be listening.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
They are weak, led by a
April 24, 2008 - 20:46 ET by motherbeltThey are weak, led by a weak "leader", and Howard Dean smells blood in the water. Michelle Malkin has a DNC email sent out by the DNC (emphasis added throughout):
While the McCain campaign made a show of protesting the ad, McCain made no mention of the fact that key officials in the North Carolina GOP are members of McCain’s state steering committee and McCain donors.
Nor did he mention the fact that the state chair who is bucking his leadership is a member of the arrangements committee of the Republican National Convention. Given his ties to state Republican leaders, if McCain is serious about making sure this ad never airs, he should have no trouble making it happen. If not, McCain should return their contributions, remove them from his campaign committees, and strip the state chair from her role on the GOP’s convention committee.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean today issued the following statement calling on McCain to exercise real leadership and pull the plug on this ad:
“This is a test of leadership for John McCain. If he can’t pick up the phone and make members of his own party stop airing a television ad he claims to oppose, how can he lead our country through an economic crisis or the war in Iraq? After shifting his positions on gun control, immigration and tax cuts throughout this campaign, McCain should not equivocate on this issue. Making a show of releasing your emails to the press is not leadership. If he is serious, he will get this ad pulled.”
Can you believe this? He wants McCain to return their contributions and strip them of committee positions!!
I think this is a test by Dean to see how far he can push McCain. One can only hope (and I mean that in all seriousness) that McCain has some vestige of a spine in their somewhere!!
mb... Ahhh, the Dean
April 24, 2008 - 21:00 ET by bigtimermb...
Ahhh, the Dean Scream...
Only problem here is I don't think McCain can afford to return the contributions....even if he is inclined to.
Very interesting info.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
This is why McCain opposes
April 24, 2008 - 17:45 ET by SMGalbraithThis is why McCain opposes such ads. He knows, given his intimacy with the press, how they'll cover it.
I.e., hysterically, recklessly and falsely.
And remember, Andrea Mitchell is not a commentator but a national correspondent for NBC news.
Commentary, opinion, news reporting, analysis, facts. Folks at NBC and MSNBC get to say whatever they want. No standards, no lines, no demarcation between reporting and analysis. Just say whatever you think. Objectivity be damned.
Missing the point...
April 24, 2008 - 17:55 ET by the curatorIt’s odd that Mitchell or any other network reporter would think that an ad featuring Wright’s "God Damn America" remarks was more negative (and more damaging to a candidate) than Wright’s comments themselves.
I think you're missing the point here.
Mitchell isn't implying the ad is more damaging than the comments themselves. No where does she compare the two. No where.
What she's saying (and McCain agrees with her, by the way) is that the campaign should be about issues, policies, visions for the country, plans on Iraq, the economy... not what some blowhard preacher has to say.
And, while I haven't seen the ad, I've heard it has very serious racial overtones. Which is the LAST thing a campaing should ever be about.
And, McCain agrees with that. I'm a liberal, but I like McCain. He's (IMO) an honest guy who believes this race is about more than race.
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
And, while I haven't seen
April 24, 2008 - 18:06 ET by SMGalbraithAnd, while I haven't seen the ad, I've heard it has very serious racial overtones. Which is the LAST thing a campaing should ever be about.
Sorry, not being cute, but what are "racial overtones"?
Here's the ad (link). It'll open into a new window.
Thanks for the link...
April 24, 2008 - 18:11 ET by the curatorThanks for the link.
By "racial overtones," I meant the ad could be construed as racist.
Having seen it now, I have a few thoughts.
First - its a stretch. Its not an ad against Obama - but two NC candidates/legislators.
And, the ad doesn't condemn their association with Obama... but, their association to a man (Obama) who has an association with an (IMO) insane pastor.
Like I said, they're damning two people for a 3rd party association. IMO its weak.
And, I can see why some may see it as racist. And, I applaud McCain for not wanting it to air on commerical TV.
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
By "racial overtones," I
April 24, 2008 - 18:18 ET by SMGalbraithBy "racial overtones," I meant the ad could be construed as racist.
Sorry, I'm not faking ignorance. What could be "racist" about this? And define "racist".
Do you think that if Rev. Wright was a radical white preacher that the NC GOP wouldn't have used him in the ad? The point is not the race of Wright but his radicalism.
Granted, it's a silly ad. But it's the silly season.
Tough answer
April 24, 2008 - 18:34 ET by the curatorSorry to use the old quote, but "You can't always describe what's racist... but, you know it when you see it."
I'm a white male... so my view of what's racist may be vastly different from a black person. (or really any other person, period).
But, I feel taking footage from a black pastor at a black church and using it politically is inflamatory.
There are things said at black churches that whites may just not understand. We don't see America as an oppressive country holding us back... but, some segments of black society do.
You can believe and agree with that position or not... but, there are still examples of racism hurting minorities in this country, which obviously includes blacks.
And black churches have a history many whites just don't get. A history born out of slavery and murder... but, usually personifies itself in overwhelmingly joyous singing and praise.
But, sometimes, shots are taken at the US which, again, some still view as the white majority that forced their ancestors into slavery.
I do hope I've not offended anyone with what I've wrote... these are just my observations. Observations of black society as a white man... so, none of it should be considered expert by any means.
This was also a long way of trying to answer your question of why I think the ad is somewhat racist.
That said... if a white evangelical pastor said something similarly inflamatory, would the media run with it. Yes... just as the media has run with the Pastor Wright story.
But, I don't think anyone would try to use it politically.
To use his sermon as a political dart board - to me - is targeting bl
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
That said... if a white
April 24, 2008 - 18:44 ET by SMGalbraithThat said... if a white evangelical pastor said something similarly inflamatory, would the media run with it. Yes... just as the media has run with the Pastor Wright story.
But, I don't think anyone would try to use it politically
So, if McCain had a long relationship with a radical rightwing pastor who said inflammatory things, Democrats wouldn't raise that issue?
I'm sure they would. Politics ain't beanbag.
Second, my analogy was that if Wright was a radical white pastor, do you think the NC GOP wouldn't raise the issue? You seem to believe that the only reason (or a major one) that they're using this ad (and I admit it's a silly association; but silliness is different than malicious) is because he's black.
I'm 100% positive that if Wright and Obama were white and Wright held radical left views that it would be used.
In other words, I think you see race where it doesn't exist.
You're Entitled
April 24, 2008 - 18:46 ET by the curatorIf you think the Dems would bring it up in the hypothetical McCain situation, you're entitled.
If they did, I think they would be wrong.
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
If you think the Dems would
April 24, 2008 - 18:53 ET by SMGalbraithIf you think the Dems would bring it up in the hypothetical McCain situation, you're entitled.
Why wouldn't they? Are they above such tactics?
Democrats have been pointing out the nefarious (as they see it) influence of the religious Right in Republican politics for decades. Why not mention any association between radical right Christians and McCain?
I'm absolutely sure they'd mention it.
It would have less effect than the Obama/Wright relationship since we have a 25+ year record of McCain indicating that he is by no means on the radical right wing of the Party. In Obama's case, we have almost no record to offset or counterbalance such connections.
Obama's main problem is just that: He's a blank slate with no substantive record that he can rely on. In such a case, his personal connections and associations are magnified since they are the only basis for many people to judge him on.
RE:
April 24, 2008 - 21:49 ET by the curatorWhy wouldn't they? Are they above such tactics?
I don't know that they are. I just hope they wouldn't go there. Clearly, there are some republicans in North Carolina that have no problem with such tactics.
Democrats have been pointing out the nefarious (as they see it) influence of the religious Right in Republican politics for decades.
I'm not entirely sure on this one. Where has a president ever been taken to task because of his religion? Bushs I and II (to my knowledge) have never been chided by the left for their religion. Nor Reagan. And remember, the first Catholic president was a democrat.
I see the debate between the religious (I try not to say 'radical') right and the left is usually more over gay marriage and abortion especially. Truly religious and moral debates... but, I don't think anyone has ever been attacked for their religious views. The precieved application of religious views into politics has been a sore spot, no doubt though.
personal connections and associations are magnified since they are the only basis for many people to judge him on.
I will agree on this. But, I've argued before that President Bush didn't have a very substantive record before taking office. He's to be commended for his work on education in Texas... but, not much else.
Obama - while only a one term senator - has been in public life for a number of years. The quality of those years of service (state level) are open for debate, I know.
I think you see race where it doesn't exist.
Good point. And I may (so does McCain here). I tend to be PC about issues like race. But, the question of "does this ad go too far" deserves a discussion. Clearly, opinions will vary.
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
I'm not entirely sure on
April 24, 2008 - 22:30 ET by SMGalbraithI'm not entirely sure on this one. Where has a president ever been taken to task because of his religion? Bushs I and II (to my knowledge) have never been chided by the left for their religion. Nor Reagan. And remember, the first Catholic president was a democrat.
Do you mean to tell us that you're not aware of any criticism from Democrats over Bush's religious views? Or over the influence of the Religious Right among Republicans?
Bush has never been chided for his religion?
Or we living in the same country?
I'm stunned that someone hasn't heard of the criticism from some (note some) on the liberal/left over Bush's religious views or the role of the Religious Right in the Republican Party.
Please
April 25, 2008 - 17:18 ET by AzRenegadeWe all know President Bush was hammered for his "faith" based initiatives. And he was ridiculed for saying Christ was the philosopher he respected most. And he was attacked by the left who claim he "speaks" to God before making big decisions.
It is quite obvious that the leftist elite merely pay lip service to people of faith. Their true faith is to the new Obamessiah!
AzRenegade
Good Point
April 25, 2008 - 18:22 ET by the curatorWe all know President Bush was hammered for his "faith" based initiatives
You're right. I do remember that now.
And he was ridiculed for saying Christ was the philosopher he respected most.
I think he was ridiculed because he named Christ... but, promotes the death penalty and engaged us in a war. Both very contradictory values associated with Christ.
The difference with both of these, however... is the President was taken to task each time for the preception of bringing his religious views into the office.
Sen. Obama is being ridiculed for the words of his pastor. No where have we seen where his religious values would be put into his job if elected.
Funny... republicans have no problem with people bringing religious values into elected office - as long as their Christian.
But, when FOX News lied about Obama's alleged connections to madrasas (sp), the right was afraid he would bring religious values to office.
Double standard?
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
I am
April 25, 2008 - 19:39 ET by AzRenegade"I think he was ridiculed because he named Christ... but, promotes the death penalty and engaged us in a war. Both very contradictory values associated with Christ"
I do not claim to be a bible scholar, nor do I think this is the forum to debate it, but what ever happened to "an eye for an eye?" And the Old testament has many examples of war. The claim that these things are values not associated with Christ seems like pure fiction to me.
And besides, christians do not claim the perfection of Christ, only the desire and attempt to be christlike. We are all human, and fall far short of the mark.
The difference with both of these, however... is the President was taken to task each time for the preception of bringing his religious views into the office.
You cannot be a true christian and check you beliefs at the door. They are part of who you are. Unless of course you are faking your faith for political advantage.
I am sure I could find more than enough quotes from democrats in office to make the claim that they "brought" their views with them. "I hate to see complacency prevail in our lives when it's so directly contrary to the teaching of Christ." Jimmy Carter
Funny... republicans have no problem with people bringing religious values into elected office - as long as their Christian
I would have no problem with anyone bringing religious values into office, as long as they would be an ethical monotheist. And I am a republican. Funny huh?
Sen. Obama is being ridiculed for the words of his pastor. No where have we seen where his religious values would be put into his job if elected.
Obama is criticized for the hate filled bigotry of his pastor that has Nothing to do with faith. In fact I believe that "church" should have it's tax exempt status revoked because all his sickening commentary was political.
But, when FOX News lied about Obama's alleged connections to madrasas (sp), the right was afraid he would bring religious values to office.
If you call the hatred, and bigotry, and slavery, and murder being taught in many madrassas as religious values, have at it. I see them as neither religious, nor ethical ,nor valuable. I am not afraid of them, I am disgusted by them.
How about a semblance of a standard?
AzRenegade
Curator, you either were
April 25, 2008 - 17:22 ET by bassndudeCurator, you either were not around during the Gore Bush election cycle, had your head in the sand, oooorrr your nuts. Your gonna have to do better than that post. It is pure ignorance...or stu...well, never mind.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Can you say "John Hagee"?
April 25, 2008 - 16:56 ET by TheDeuceThe leftist media attacked McCain over an endorsement from John Hagee, a conservative preacher whom McCain has no real ties...i.e., never sat in his church for a service, isn't a friend or neighbor, no 'ring-kissing ceremony' ala John Kerry vis-a-vis Al Sharpton.
Here's some links:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/29/85058/6284
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainhagee_connection_1.php
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/29/hagee/print.html
Naw, no one's questioning McCain's religious ties...
The ad is weak...
April 25, 2008 - 16:45 ET by TheDeuceBut, it's as legitimate as the question posed during th interview, "He's obviously taking a very strong stand, but what does it say about the Republican Party that the North Carolina Republicans were planning to run this ad? "
Mitchell wants the connection made if deemed negative, if it's against a republican. But, if an association is made negatively against a dem, she seems to have trouble with it.
What part of the commercial has racial overtones?
Typical
April 24, 2008 - 18:18 ET by AzRenegadeMore typical liberal talking point BS.
Try watching the ad before you comment on how racial the "overtones" must have been. I doubt it would change your preformulated unbiased opinion.
If the ad had McCain's pastor saying this crap you Dems would be playing it over and over and over, and you know it.
The only racial overtones connected to the ad are those played by the race baiting hacks for Obama.
You donks would love to take discussion of the Messiah's judgement off the table. Sorry, your guy put it there with his superior judgement on Iraq claims. Hanging out in the pews of this bigot's church for 20 years shows serious lack of character and judgement. Tell Andrea to stick that in her feeble analysis and smoke it.
AzRenegade
Not Worth It
April 24, 2008 - 18:39 ET by the curatorrace baiting hacks... You donks...s tick that in her feeble analysis and smoke it.
Way to keep the discussion of important issues on a high level.
Start writing with some sense of respect and you'll be worth having a dialogue with.
"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."
-George W. Bush, October 11, 2000
You did
April 24, 2008 - 22:46 ET by AzRenegade"I do hope I've not offended anyone with what I've wrote... these are just my observations. Observations of black society as a white man... so, none of it should be considered expert by any means."
You did offend me with your original post.
Did you ever stop to think someone might have had a completely different experience and observations? Fear not, you found one.
Anyone who claims "any" criticism of a black person is racist is the race baiting hack. The Media is chock full of them.
You just threw the racism claim out there without ever watching the video. And this is "high level" analysis?
Ok, her analysis was not feeble. It was nonexistent. I am more than sure Andrea would love to be the one who decides what issues should be talked about. McCain bad, talk away. Obama bad, RACISM!
Now if you are truly interested in dialogue, by all means, let's have at it. But start by dumping the "racial overtones" and you might get somewhere.
AzRenegade
Analysis?
April 25, 2008 - 16:57 ET by TheDeuceShe had no analysis...she simply repeated the faux outrage that the DNC wanted her to. "Sources say", "critics say", "Some believe"...as if these aren't Andrea and her red diaper doper baby friends saying these things.
This past week, the
April 24, 2008 - 18:06 ET by stratmanThis past week, the candidates did a little promo as if they were WWF (?) wrastlers (wrestlers are those athletes competing in venues like schools and the olympics). McCain talked about his "McCainiacs" (Should have been McCainiidiots), Hillary was whatever and Obama, in a ripoff of The Rock's catch phrase, said "Can you smell what the Barack is cooking?"
"YES WE CAN", Barry.
And we won't be voting for your extreme Liberal politics.
No matter how much Andrea Mitchell, who ripped off the denouncement of the NC GOP ad from another Liberal, or any other MSM or Dem cares to frame any criticism of Obama as "racist", the plain vanilla, unexciting truth is that Leftist Politicians are unwanted by a large segment of the US population regardless of skin color.
It is the character of the man, the totality of his political beliefs, veracity and compelling arguments that rely upon substance instead of vacuous diatribes and trite slogans that citizens will judge the fitness of a candidate to lead. Additionally, who the candidate associates with closely is a window into the nature of the individual. You can't pick blood relatives but you can choose your friends, clergy, and trusted advisors/inner circle associates.
Obama has been judged on his words and deeds and found wanting.
Lastly, I hope that supporters like Mitchell will hold Obama responsible for Democrat advertising misadventure as well. Wouldn't that be fair given their assumptions and demands of McCain. (Hat tip to Laura Ingram)
RRAM Tough!
"The American people know
April 24, 2008 - 18:42 ET by suzycreamcheese"The American people know exactly what Reverend Wright stands for. That's Barack Obama's problem and it's going to stick for him for a long time to come."
Bingo. Let's place the blame for this where it belongs: on Obama's own shoulders. He probably knew since college that he had political aspirations, so why would he associate himself with something so negative?
Probably because like all liberals, he lives in a bubble where he only sees, hears, and talks to his own kind and felt that they would understand and embrace the kind of racist, America-hating speech that came spewed forth from Wright's sermons.
They always forget about Flyover Country. God bless 'em.
So McCain has called
April 24, 2008 - 18:54 ET by MidAmericaSo McCain has called for the removal of the ad and the NC GOP won't do it? Well well well... maybe the NC GOP are mavericks. They should be praised and applauded by the media.
I have feeling a President McCain isn't going to be very accomodating to Republican 'mavericks'.
Waste of Time
April 24, 2008 - 18:57 ET by DocHaving a "dialogue" with a liberal is pointless and a waste of time. That is because liberals are the new aristocracy in this country and know everything. Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Bolsheviks and fellow travelers believe they are superior beings and, consequently, are not open to any meaningful "dialogue". One can't have a "dialogue" with someone who is convinced of their own superiority.
Honestly
April 24, 2008 - 19:20 ET by AzRenegadeHonestly Doc, I am all for dialogue as long as the opposition is able to maintain civility in the discussion. But it has been my experience that 99.9% of the time someone screams racism nowadays is is only a ploy to shut up the criticism, and the tactic truly disgusts me.
AzRenegade
Feeling sorry for Andrea
April 24, 2008 - 19:10 ET by Mica the MagnificentI am starting to feel sorry for Andrea.
She see's her liberal world being questioned more and more -
She knows if she has her face stretched one more time she will have one eye on each side of her head, like a duck with smooth skin - -
She's married to a guy who knew dirt's grandfather - - -
Her network ratings are in the toilet - - -
Too bad. It's starting to suck to be Andrea, poor thing.
This ad
April 24, 2008 - 20:21 ET by iveseenitallMitchell has, of course, played the race card, something which will be done ad infinitum during this campaign. Wouldn't it have been refreshing if she had asked:
Why is the mixing of church and state allowed in tax-free "churches"?
Why is this type of "sermon" preached in the first place? What is the endgame? Racial hated? ( Hardly appropriate for a "church")
Mitchell, rather conveniently, overlooks Wright's right to do this in a "church",as well as his motivation.
This "sermon" goes to the man's character and judgement, as well as to the character and judgement of anyone who would have a close 20 yr. association with him.The ad merely points this out.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
BTW, McCain, as he did with his condemnation of the ad and his Katrina remarks, contiunes to remind us that he is a RINO. Sad.
Evenin' isia... I just
April 24, 2008 - 20:22 ET by bigtimerEvenin' isia...
I just posted somewhere about the Katrina remarks too....never-ending isn't it?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hi BT
April 24, 2008 - 20:39 ET by iveseenitallRight, "never ending". For a man so loyal to his country, McCain confounds me with his disloyalty to his party and, sometimes to the truth. He knows whose fault the Katrina "mistakes" were, yet he can't help siding with the liars.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Holy Cow, bt....I heard
April 24, 2008 - 20:57 ET by motherbeltHoly Cow, bt....I heard that on the radio!! I couldn't believe he said the way the Bush administration handled Katrina was terrible and disgraceful!! I said earlier there is no Democrat he won't suck up to, and no Republican he will not kick. No sooner said, than he proved it!
This is how he repays President Bush for his support?
The man truly has no shame!!
Et tu, Brute?
Motherbelt
April 24, 2008 - 21:18 ET by iveseenitallYes, motherbelt. Poor President Bush. As a former N.Y. street kid, this hurts me the most. Loyalty is so important, but the President never gets any. You expect disloyalty from the "liberals", but sadly you now also have come to expect it from the lousy RINOS.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Mica
April 25, 2008 - 01:29 ET by gfrrmanOMG, thanks for the belly laugh. I thought I was gonna hurl after laughing so hard from your comments. Still, ROTFLMAO!!! Thank you, thank you!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
gfrrman
April 25, 2008 - 07:18 ET by Mica the MagnificentHey, thanks. Don't forget to leave a few bucks in the tip jar!
this ad is not
April 24, 2008 - 20:26 ET by millslitethis ad is not divisive...
but discussing Mrs. Greenspan's complexion might be considered divisive
Curator...meet sand
April 25, 2008 - 03:20 ET by Xango AnnieCurator....head...meet sand.......