Radical Iranians, U.S. Conservatives: L.A. Times Sees Similarities

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It’s really amazing at times to see how the media greet the War on Terrorism with the same detente-loving impulses they used during the Cold War. (They never seem to contemplate whether detente would have ever won the Cold War, or just prolonged it ad infinitum.) In the Los Angeles Times, reporter Jeffrey Fleishman reported on "Iran watching U.S. campaigns with hope for detente." Fleishman’s breath was intoxicated with the old-time brew of moral equivalence, as Iranian theocrats and American conservatives are oddly alike:

Some analysts wonder whether the Islamic Republic, led by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, wants a significant improvement in relations with the U.S. Since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, when militants in Tehran seized 52 American hostages and held them for 444 days, the weekly chants of "Death to America" have become a defining mantra, much in the same way Bush's "axis of evil" resonates with American conservatives.

But American conservatives aren’t chanting "Death to Iran," the murder of an entire citizenry. They’re a tiny bit more nuanced, objecting to a ruthless terrorist-supporting government, and not the Iranian people. Aren’t reporters supposed to be able to handle nuances like that? Fleishman began the story with similar bluster:

If an Iranian woke up in America and glimpsed the front page of a newspaper, he'd be reminded of home: a teetering economy, a restless populace, a tough-talking leader.

Are George Bush and Ahmadinejad tremendously alike? Do both hate Jews and deny the Holocaust? Actually, Fleishman underlines, the difference is that Mahmoud is a popular figure in the Middle East, a man who "has become widely admired for his harsh line against the Bush administration." A hard line can be a winner – if you want to crush Israel and kill Jews.

As usual, liberal reporters and foreign diplomats expect America to go soft first, and them maybe, just maybe, the enemy will soften:

"For an ideological regime like Iran's you need an enemy, and the U.S. is a good enemy because of all the notorious things it's done in the region," said cleric Mohammad Ali Abtahi, head of the Institute for Interreligious Dialogue in Tehran. "If you have a big enemy, it makes you big too."

But, like the U.S., Iran is feeling the squeeze of an economy in turmoil and an uneasy population. Unemployment and inflation are high, even as Iran is benefiting from soaring oil prices. Recent parliamentary elections highlighted the split among conservatives between those who support the populist Ahmadinejad and detractors who blame him for mismanaging the economy. These concerns and the weight of economic sanctions could lead to a less aggressive foreign policy.

Fleishman signals wildly that Iranians would prefer Democrats. Is that supposed to help Democrats? Clearly, liberal newspapers think that Democrats are experts at reducing "tensions" through their fervent desire to talk and talk, just as Jimmy Carter talked and talked and the communists took ten countries over while he kept talking -- not to mention how the radical Islamists took over Iran on his watch. But it's the Republicans that cause worry:

Iranians have been startled by some of McCain's comments. In March, the senator accused Iran of sheltering and training Al Qaeda militants; he quickly retracted the statement. When campaigning in South Carolina in 2007, McCain joked about bombing Iran to the tune of a Beach Boys song.

If Mr. Obama won the election, it would be good," said Hooshang Tale, a former member of parliament. "He's a newcomer without the old ties, and we can hope that American policy would undergo a deep change. I think Mrs. Clinton still represents old Washington, the past regimes. The U.S. must take the first step. If a small country like Iran takes the first step it can lose face, but the big power doesn't lose his face."

A geophysics student at Tehran University, who gave his name only as Behrang for fear of retribution, said: "I'm a fan of Hillary Clinton. If she is elected it will help, but, really, it's a question of whether Iran will change, not so much who changes in the White House."

Fleishman concluded that Americans can hardly expect a thaw with the Iranians unless we elect a candidate that can act warm and fuzzy toward Iran, unlike that loathsome President Bush and his saber-rattling:

"All senior officials support rapprochement if there's a significant shift in American attitudes toward Iran," said Mohammed Marandi, director of the North American Studies Department at Tehran University. "If the Iranians feel less threatened by America, they'll be more open. When you have 160,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, three American aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, and a president and vice president who keep talking about military options, it's hard to think about Iranians being open."

He added: "Obama or Clinton would be preferred over McCain, but anybody besides Bush would be an improvement."

(Hat tip: John Sexton at Verum Serum)

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center


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Irrational moral

Irrational moral equivalancy can only be labeled as poor journalism with an agenda.  Do editors read this stuff before it goes to print?  Jeffery Fleishman is either a leftist moron or lazy.

You would think it would be

You would think it would be natural to compare the "death to America" crowd there with the "death to America" crould here. But then that would be a self evaluation.

"Forget change, I want improvement!"

a leftist moron or lazy

Beg your pardon, but that's redundant.     :-)

My feeling is that Iran

My feeling is that Iran would be better off as a glassed over wasteland.  I guess my feelings are still tied to the Iranians taking the embassy and the personell inside hostage and killing some of them.  Not exactly a diplomatic goodwill gesture.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Didn't Hillary threaten to nuke Iran yesterday?

I believe the only leading American politician who has threatened to nuke Iran and obliterate them recently was Hillary Clinton.

I'm guessing the LActating Times classes her as a conservative too. Well, compared to their Obamania I suppose to them she may be.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jimmy Carter's talking

allowed the Iran Theocracy to grab the power it did in the first place. And as Tim points out, Communists were taking over countries like crazy.

His was the worst Presidency, especially concerning foreign policy, and we are in for more of the same with Obama.

War talk

Let's see, (a) who just said we would obliterate Iran? And (b) who announced not too long ago that we should invade Pakistan? Was it a republican? <cricket>  <cricket>

Nope. How about (a) Hillary and (b) Obama.

Now, I will admit some similarities between conservatives and Iran -- we both want to eliminate as many stupid, so-called "news reporters" as possible. We want them all fired; Iran wants to fire at all of them.

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Quick question - how many

Quick question - how many foreign embassies has the RNC stormed and taken hostages from?

Anyone?

And, you were expecting....what?

LA Times.  Idiot reporter.  Ideology driven editorial board.

Got a dead fish or bird droppings?

Hate to think you spent money to acquire that wrapping paper, but, hey, it's your money. 

 

 

  Some analysts wonder

 

Some analysts wonder

Realy? Witch ones?

A geophysics student at Tehran University, who gave his name only as Behrang for fear of retribution, said: "I'm a fan of Hillary Clinton. If she is elected it will help, but, really, it's a question of whether Iran will change, not so much who changes in the White House."

Seems pretty clear to their own people what needs to happen, but this reporter is still clueless

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Iranian zealots

I like Tim's comment here, " But American conservatives aren’t chanting "Death to Iran," the murder of an entire citizenry. They’re a tiny bit more nuanced, objecting to a ruthless terrorist-supporting government, and not the Iranian people".

The MSM often misuse the terms conservative to their own ends.  They overlook the fact that American conservatives are a completely different breed than radical, Iranian zealots.  American conservatives have a constitution which makes all men (and women) equal with rights as an individual.  Islam gives you the right to submit or pay the consequences.

Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.”  Thomas Jefferson 

"the weekly chants of "Death

"the weekly chants of "Death to America" have become a defining mantra, much in the same way Bush's "axis of evil" resonates with American conservatives." That's right we chant "axis of evil" at conventions and Republican meetings all over the country. And we don't know that our enemy is not "evil" just misunderstood and needs us to talk to them and give in to their demands.

This Fleishman is an idiot, equating Muslims chanting "death to America" to conservatives is stretching it beyond beleif. And Fleishman probably thinks that conservative Christians are on par with the Taliban. This is no doubt a lazy liberal "intellectual." ANY parallels is a very thin IF at all. Only prejudice would draw these comparisons.

Peace Trough Surrender

Fleishman's article is indicitive of a man without a moral compass. Apparently, he believes that thirty years of "Death to America" chants represent a new pop song.   A determined enemy, developing nuclear technology is a threat that cannot be wished away. Enemies are pursuaded by strength not appeasement.

 Flieshmann wrote:

Iranian officials support rapprochement if there's a significant shift in American attitudes toward Iran," said Mohammed Marandi, director of the North American Studies Department at Tehran University. "If the Iranians feel less threatened by America, they'll be more open. When you have 160,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, three American aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf, and a president and vice president who keep talking about military options, it's hard to think about Iranians being open."

That's great. The Iranians should not think about being open.  They should be scared. They need to understand that cataclysmic doom can be visited upon them within minutes.

Once they understand that we can begin to talk.

This is Fredo from The Godfather all over again

In a negotiation, sometimes you reach a point where you simply can’t talk any further, because the other side won’t budge. That has been the case with Iran since 1979 – all negotiations with them are pointless, because they have no intention of surrendering anything. The only way to restart the negotiations is to change the circumstances. And, just as the student said, we’ve applied a lot of pressure, especially those 140,000 soldiers hanging out next door in Iraq. We want that pressure to soften them up.

Yet, here comes the media, willingly helping Iran to soften us! This article declares that Iran would be happy to play nice (yeah, right) if only the Americans weren’t so mean. The only way to get peace is for a regime change in America. They know that a Democrat will remove the pressure. Then they hope to start talking again, knowing that a Democrat will drop any opposition in return for a headline-making treaty. Of course, whatever they agree to on paper, Iran is going right back to developing nuclear weapons anyway – they just want the rest of the world to look the other way, long enough to finish the job. And once they have the weapons, who cares about a stinking treaty?

How ironic! Iran is playing the role of Hyman Roth, and our media is playing the role of Fredo.

MSM Quote from Godfather II

It ain't the way I wanted it!  I can handle things!  I'm smart!  Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

The reply

You're nothing to me now.

"...like the U.S., Iran is

"...like the U.S., Iran is feeling the squeeze of an economy in turmoil and an uneasy population."

Only, in the U.S. we have an election, in Iran they find someone to kill.

BTW - If Conservatives = Iranian hardliners, and Libs hate conservatives, then why don't they want us to bomb Iran?

Iranians softening attitudes toward US

Tim. There was a most interesting statement down towards the end of the piece by Fleishman:

A recent survey by World Public Opinion found that Iranians are softening their attitudes toward America..

It didn't seem to fit with Fleishman's overall presentation of the politics in this moment in time, does it?

Also skipped by in the entire piece, as with most all such converstions by the MSM, are conflicting views (from Obama and friends), to the "please the left crowd" which he seems to be playing to. Excerpts follow - my bold.

Obama would consider missile strikes on Iran

By David Mendell | ChicagoTribune staff reporter, September 25, 2004

U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama suggested Friday that the United States one day might have to launch surgical missile strikes into Iran and Pakistan to keep extremists from getting control of nuclear bombs.

[..]

Obama said the United States must first address Iran's attempt to gain nuclear capabilities by going before the United Nations Security Council and lobbying the international community to apply more pressure on Iran to cease nuclear activities. That pressure should come in the form of economic sanctions, he said.

But if those measures fall short, the United States should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear production sites in Iran, Obama said.

Looks like Obama has supported the Bush policy, tooth and nail. Or perhaps, Bush was following Obama's lead. (;~> gary

Iranians do not feel threatened by the US

My Uncle's Iranian. My previous employer was Iranian. They all tell the same story - the people do not fear the US, the towelheads do. The Iranian GESTPO (religious police) and Waffen SS (Al-Quds) are doing to the general population what Hitler's thugs did to his. There is nothing the Iranian people would like better than to throw off the yoke of President I'm-on-a-jihad and the Ayatollah nutballs.

equivalent

"Death to America"- We'll kill you.

"axis of evil" - They're trying to kill us.

See the equivalence? Of course that has nothing to do with the articles context.