Newsweek's snarky "Conventional Wisdom Watch" column has once again displayed the inaccuracy of its title. "Pathetic Liberal Spin In 20 Words Or Less" is more accurate, but not very catchy. In the new (March 31) edition, Barack Obama gets a sideways arrow -- like he had an okay week instead of a down-arrow week??? -- while "Hannity" is singled out for a down arrow with these twelve words of supposed wisdom:
Along with Rush, uses race-baiting to score ratings. Now that's hating America.
"Barack" gets a sideways arrow with this message:
Will the greatest speech in recent history get him sidelined as a "black candidate"?
Oh, and Jeremiah Wright gets a down arrow:
Why keep preaching inflammatory sermons with candidate Barack in the pews? Dumb.
So, Reverend Wright's offense was not hate-filled sermons, but the inconvenient political timing of the hate-filled sermons. Is Wright not guilty of "race baiting"? Is it simply defined as "race baiting" for radio hosts like Hannity and Limbaugh to object to his sermons for their attacks on the country Obama is seeking to lead?
The column is credited to senior editor Jonathan Alter. His Newsweek biography explains:
Alter is also an originator and author of Newsweek's "Conventional Wisdom Watch," which uses up, down and sideways arrows to measure and lampoon the news.
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Along with Rush, uses
March 24, 2008 - 14:02 ET by NewsbusterbrownAlong with Rush, uses race-baiting to score ratings. Now that's hating America.
Right. Pointing out that Obama's mentor hates Anerica is worse than Wright actually hating America. Gotcha.
Conventional wisdom, my...
Greatest speech in recent history....
March 24, 2008 - 14:05 ET by Army BratFor the child like minds at Newsweak....2 weeks is a very long time.
Happy Trails...
Race and the Democrats
March 24, 2008 - 14:09 ET by allanfChief Justice John Roberts wrote:
It is not the Republicans or Hannity or Limbaugh who divide Americans into groups. The Democrats do. Reverend Wright does.
Of course these groups all need help from beneficent Democrats.
Jonathan
March 24, 2008 - 14:07 ET by bigtimerJonathan Alter...Newsweek...that is all you need to know.
Explanation not needed....lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
One of his most recent
March 24, 2008 - 21:35 ET by Cape Conservativecolumns went on and on about his mother and her decision to support BHO rather than HRC. You could find out a lot about Jonathan Alter by reading that one column. He was raised by a very liberal woman - once again, longtime questions I've had as to the lack of objectivity in his columns are answered.
Ridin' Dirty With the Left
March 24, 2008 - 14:17 ET by acumenConventional Wisdom Watch? I don't think so.
More like -- Ridin' Dirty With the Left.
Jonathan Alter is a regular guest on Keith Olbermann
March 24, 2008 - 14:22 ET by SupermanThat would help explain the Obama butt kissing in Newsweek.
Speaking of Oberdork....
March 24, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Prester John....I wonder if he will still be going crazy over Passportgate since the contractor who is accused of illegally looking at them is owned by an advisor of Obama.
Hey Prester... Thanks for
March 24, 2008 - 14:52 ET by bigtimerHey Prester...
Thanks for the info...now I understand why the msm is ignoring this all now...we all know this would still be headline news if they thought it was by Haliburton/Diebold or any connection to anything connected to a repub somehow...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You mean the guy involved
March 24, 2008 - 16:14 ET by motherbeltYou mean the guy involved isn't married to a woman whose brother dates a girl who's father went to school with someone whose married to a guy that works for Halliburton?????
NOPE!
March 24, 2008 - 17:14 ET by FastEdHe just had an affair with her.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
PJ, is there a link?
March 24, 2008 - 15:30 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarBy no means am I slamming you. I'm curious to read the "skinny" on this.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
...Me too Prester...this
March 24, 2008 - 15:33 ET by bigtimer...Me too Prester...this inquiring mind would love more info. if you have it.
Thanks.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Passportgate: The Obama connection.....
March 24, 2008 - 15:40 ET by BarkerHere's one link about it.
Barker... Wow...ex-CIA
March 24, 2008 - 15:57 ET by bigtimerBarker...
Wow...ex-CIA counter-terrorism team..blah blah blah...this figures about the sudden silence doesnt it?
I can't help but wonder how Olbie is going to cover this when he was the only one on all the networks going on and on non-stop about this with his show last week.
Thanks so much for the link...another one I am saving today.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT
March 24, 2008 - 16:06 ET by BarkerYeah, the night the story broke Ol' Olbermann was practically down on all fours, howling at the moon. The giant sucking sound heard now is Olbermann attempting to pull his head out of his...........
Thanks Barker
March 24, 2008 - 16:06 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarBoy is this starting to smell. One CEO a BHO backer, the other a Clinton backer. Of course this does explain why the media has dropped this like a hot coal.
Now I see why the supposed "hold up" of reporting this up the chain was done. Back in January when it "first" occured there was nothing news worthy against BHO. Now with Wracist Wright BHO needed a news distraction. How convenient.
Time to unleash the ole pitbull Sean H. on this one.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
Oh, it was just an
March 24, 2008 - 16:15 ET by motherbeltOh, it was just an administrative error, folks...nothing to see here...move along.....
I believe I heard
March 24, 2008 - 21:39 ET by Cape Conservativethat one of the employees involved was "reprimanded" NOT let go immediately! That should have been the tipoff that there was a Democrat connection!
Here's another
March 24, 2008 - 16:16 ET by Prester JohnThe State Department last night said one of the persons responsible for the inappropriate behavior was employed by an information technology firm headed by one of Mr. Obama’s foreign intelligence advisors.
The State Department this evening had not yet released the names of the persons responsible for the unauthorized searches but said two were employed by Stanley Inc. and the third was an employee of The Analysis Corp. (TAC).
Stanley Inc., a 3,500-person firm, is an Arlington-based information technology firm that this week won a $570 million contract to continue providing passport services to the State Department, which the company has done since 1992, according to Stanley Inc.’s Web site.
TAC is a McLean-based information firm that has helped the State Department automate the Terrorist Watchlist over the last several years, the company’s Web site said.
TAC’s Chief Executive Officer John O. Brennan is a former CIA agent who is an adviser to Mr. Obama’s presidential campaign.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321/NATION/103780411/1001
paging goldbar...
March 24, 2008 - 16:31 ET by candanceGoldbar, where did you go?
Please back up your claim from the other day that the MSM reports on stories as new developments unfold.
Why are they so silent about this development?
...anyone?....
...Bueller?...
It is Obama and the
March 24, 2008 - 14:25 ET by Free ThinkerIt is Obama and the anti-American racist Wright who thrust race into the campaign as an issue. Hannity and Rush, and any other critically thinking white person, conveniently are called racists for speaking against racism. What kind of conventional wisdom is that?
Rush not racist?
March 25, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Angry AfricanRush calling Obama Curious George before the Wright issue isn't racist?
AA
March 25, 2008 - 20:49 ET by BarkerGet your facts straight. Rush did not call Obama 'Curious George'.
You might want to do a little more research before you make another uninformed comment.
Curious George
March 25, 2008 - 20:59 ET by Angry AfricanOkay. A caller phoned in and called Obama Curious George. And Rush laughed. (Fact - I listened to the programme). He then chuckled a bit more and said "Curious George". And then, get this for an "informed" guy who knows everything. Tries to worm out of it by saying he never heard of Curious George. Again and again tried to deny he ever heard of Curious George. Now that was curious. A movie, a tv programme, newspapers, everywhere, little ones running around watching it and Rush didn't hear about it? And I guess he didn't hear the "there is no WMD" either. Or the "no link between Bin Laden and Sadam". Couldn't have - he still denies knowing that as well I guess. What does Curious George and non-existing WMD have in common? Rush never heard of either.
Be relevant
March 25, 2008 - 21:15 ET by general companyThese constant exaggerations that you folks contiue to try and justify by pointing to more nonesense is as childish as it gets.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
No-no, you can't
March 26, 2008 - 09:03 ET by Angry Africanyou can't get away with that. When your man gets hit then all of a sudden it is exaggerations! I listened to what he had to say - before and after the "incident" so don't try and play this one down baby. That is a cop-out. You want me to make a list of the stuff this slob has said before? He is using people like you to get his big fat check at the end of each day. Slupr it up baby. He loves you for that.
"Always do Wright. This will gratify some people, and astonish the best". Make Pain
AA
March 25, 2008 - 21:31 ET by MrShyWe debated this a little while back before you joined, and actually, many hardly knew who Curious George was -- I was one of them!
In fact, I still haven't googled C.G. to understand the racist undertone of calling Obama this. Guess I'll finally do that now.... So it's not at all out of the question, Rush not knowing much about Curious George.
But this aside, still, it did NOT come out of Rush's mouth. So, you were stretching using this for a counter argument in the first place, and then to expose that it wasn't him who said it AND you're assumptoin that he knew what the implication was.... your argument that Rush is anything close to racist sort of falls on it's face.
FACTS -- and the many words and video clips from a variety of impassioned sermons prove them out -- Rev Wright: A) has very little love, if any, for whites, B) has very little love or respect for this country, C) believes, basically, that all ills in the black community point to whites and this country, D) believes in outrageous conspiracy theories about the spread of HIV to kill blacks, 9/11 and the government, etc.. If you tell me that the 9/11 theory is "more commonplace than you know", my preemptive answer to that is, "so what, it's still an idiotic, outrageous theory, on so many levels".
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It's just not Wright
March 26, 2008 - 09:23 ET by Angry AfricanI am not going to even try to defend Wright. he was wrong on so many levels. And the point I was trying to make was about Rush. People hold him up as some heor of the "right". But this is a coward who dodged Vietnam because of a boil on his ass. And he wrote in his letter to supporters (can get you a cope if you want) that there is a link between Bin Laden and Sadam? And his lies goes on and on. And if someone get's him in a corner? He swears at them and tries to be funny. And oh yes, he is a double coward. He screens his calls so that anyone who might be bright enough to take him on is cut off or not even allowed on air. He is taking everyone for a ride - just the way he did with his fake back problem and drug addiction. I don't mind people speaking their mind - that why there is a thing like democracy. But Rush a hero? Damn, we have hit the bottom of the barrel here if that is the case. But then - he doesn't give a damn because guess what? He asked for people to support the troops by supporting Rush. he will get it to the troops. WTF? What did he gove the troops with the millions that came his way from listeners? Rush tapes and letters. Like they need that when the bullets and bombs are flying. Gues who made the money on that one. Buy them flack jackets next time Rush.
Oh yes I hate Rush. Why? Because he was AGAINST the ending of Apartheid in South Africa. If you question that - let me know and I can get you a copy of the transcript. That is just not Wright...
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AA
March 26, 2008 - 14:20 ET by MrShySomeone here posted:
It is Obama and the anti-American racist Wright who thrust race into the campaign as an issue. Hannity and Rush, and any other critically thinking white person, conveniently are called racists for speaking against racism. What kind of conventional wisdom is that?
You came on and made some nonsensical argument that implied that Rush equally "thrusted race into the campaign" by chuckling at a woman caller telling him her daughter said Obama looks like Curious George -- ???
I know you're no fan of Limbaugh -- and I know little about him myself -- but that equivelancy argument is, well, completely silly.
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Apartheid = Wright?
March 26, 2008 - 14:35 ET by Angry AfricanBut if Rush was in favour of Apartheid - as he said himself. Then how does that make him any better than Wright? Rush doesn't speak out against racism - not when he defended white rule in Apartheid South Africa.
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You're one crazy hate filled
March 26, 2008 - 14:41 ET by Jack BauerYou're one crazy hate filled dude.
And please, do tell -- from what part of Africa do you hail?
Little hate around here
March 26, 2008 - 16:46 ET by Angry AfricanNope - pretty much not hate filled. Just to those who I believe exploit others for their own gain. Like Rush. Will sell his mother to improve his ratings and make some more dough.
I am from South Africa. And I love ALL South Africans. You'll see in my post about two of the most evil guys in our history (PW Botha and a guy who headed up a hit squad) that I find it difficult to even hate them. Because I saw the people they were away from their "official" business. They were just normal people that did horribile things. But they were still loving fathers and husbands. Again, it is difficult to truly hate someone if you see that they are just like you in many cases. Have a look http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/22/an-accidental-activist-walking-with-the-crocodiles-1991-2002/
So, AA, do I understand you
March 26, 2008 - 16:59 ET by bassndudeSo, AA, do I understand you are just like Botha and the guy that ran the hit squad? Murder is an official business in South Africa? These were brutal folks, and you equate yourself to them, and say your not hate filled? Just cause you love your kids? What a joke.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Can you even read?
March 26, 2008 - 17:55 ET by Angry AfricanReally. Did YOU read the post on them? I said that I hated them. But what I realized that even those we hate the most have human qualities that we can't understand. That you would not know a killer if he walked down the street. They might walk around holding their kids tightly and loving their wives. I said I hated them until I saw them doing these things I do - loving my family and those around me. That it made it difficult to understand true evil, because true evil don't necessarily beat their wifes, or rape and pillage. They do things we would do. And then they do those things that are so evil (murder, rape, hit squads etc) that we can't comprehend. I don't equate myself to them. I said that it is difficult to understand and comprehend that we somehow have some "actions" in common that expresses love. I always thought that evil expresses itself in everything they do - but it doesn't. Not sure if that is clear enough - but go read the post and maybe it is a bit clearer there. Or should I talk a bit slower?
And Rush liked them
March 26, 2008 - 18:02 ET by Angry AfricanI forgot to add that Rush supported those murderers in Apartheid. Remember? So if you hate them you gotta hate Rush... Hey?
You sound like angry
March 26, 2008 - 14:30 ET by Jack BauerYou sound like angry George.
You should see me
March 26, 2008 - 14:36 ET by Angry AfricanYou should see me when I'm pissed. Then I am back to Curious George.
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Speaking of Rush and
March 24, 2008 - 14:31 ET by bigtimerSpeaking of Rush and Obama...is anyone listening to Rush... 'Grandma Got Run Over by Obama' is his newest parody...
I am ROFL!
Thanks Rush and Shanklin...for this typical white woman...it is priceless...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jonathan Alter - not the same since.....
March 24, 2008 - 14:32 ET by robertjacobJonathan Alter has not been the same since he gave up his wig.
rj... I think the chemo
March 24, 2008 - 14:35 ET by bigtimerrj...
I think the chemo took care of that wig...his brain hasn't changed one wit though...at all.
Still same pathetic, twisted leftist.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Obama spends Easter in the US Virgin Islands
March 24, 2008 - 14:35 ET by BarkerHmmm...Wonder where his beloved minister -The Most Racist Reverend Wright- is vacationing..........
Citizens of the World
March 24, 2008 - 14:45 ET by sam.i.amJonathan Alter and others like Fareed Zakaria that write for and help shape the views at Newsweek are truly above it all.
Alter is unapologetically liberal. He has been a flak for liberal causes for years, as a talking head, as a writer, and as an editor.
Zakaria is most famous for his article after 9/11 titled "The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us?" He also had one titled "The Arrogant Empire" after the start of the Iraq war. It's not just the titles of his articles, it's the smarmy way that Zakaria simplifies all foreign affairs to the charicature of the "ugly American" tourist. We can do no right in his eyes.
I admit I used to read Newsweek and Time years ago and thought they contained news. Now I see it for what it is: propaganda for america haters.
Newsweek readers today have these common traits:
* Blame America First charter member
* Global Warming Alarmists league
* BDS sufferer
* Comprehensive immigration reformer
* Relegious secularist (mainly militant anti-Christian)
* Anti-Oil, Anti-Business, Anti-Capitalist liberal
* Citizen of the WORLD (No flag lapel pins here)
Not all their readers ;-)
March 24, 2008 - 21:43 ET by Cape ConservativeI like to see what the enemy is saying about us - but I agree, while I am more informed as to the liberal intent, the knowledge does upset me. No renewals of these subscriptions for this household!
So Rush and Sean hate
March 24, 2008 - 14:55 ET by rbosqueSo Rush and Sean hate America.
Obama's pastor is "misunderstood' and taken out of context.
Roger that!
Newsweek who has aligned with the kooky-anti-American left is telling the whole world that Rush hates America? They must be smoking some serious crack! LOL!
The Democrat hate-filled
March 24, 2008 - 15:13 ET by AntiMediaThe Democrat hate-filled primary election is tearing this country apart. What about the children! Who will save the children!
Didn't you get the message from DNC
March 24, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Humblepiethey can't vote, so they don't count.
So, it sounds like Wright's
March 24, 2008 - 15:17 ET by SmartypantsSo, it sounds like Wright's only misdeed was spewing his racist, anti-American bilge while Obama was present. He should have, apparently, known better and kept those tirades for times when his mentee was not in the "church".
What a load of B.S.
March 24, 2008 - 16:05 ET by R68AndrewThis is the same magazine that created that false story back in 2005 about American troops flushing a Quran down a toilet at Gitmo to hurt the reputation of American troops. Newsweak should be the last people to be saying that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh want to undermine the United States of America. Sean and Rush told the truth.
To be so negatively noted
March 24, 2008 - 21:47 ET by Cape Conservativeby Newsweek/CW is a badge of honor for these guys...it means they are getting their points across and the libs hate it ;-) Go Sean! Go Rush! Go all conservative voices on the airwaves/internet/newsprint!!!!!
I think Rush and Hannity
March 24, 2008 - 16:33 ET by balboaI think Rush and Hannity hate an America that doesn't look exactly the way they want it to, which is basically like an episode of "Father Knows Best."
Limbaugh and Hannity tell the truth
March 24, 2008 - 16:43 ET by ballwana13The left has always had problems with fact-based radio or news media such as Hannity or Limbaugh. They can't stand the idea that somebody is being paid to tell the world about what they are doing and exposing the lies, the anti-American rhetoric and the spin of the left. The TRUTH hurts and that is why the left don't like Limbaugh and Hannity. What hurts even more is that they get such big audiences who call in and listen.
There is no hate on the part of Limbaugh or Hannity other than liars on the left. Limbaugh and Hannity love this country and are working to protect it from the lunatic liberals.
ballwanna... It's as
March 24, 2008 - 16:47 ET by bigtimerballwanna...
It's as simple as that...period.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Again, they love their
March 24, 2008 - 17:52 ET by balboaAgain, they love their vision of America.
are you joking Bal
March 24, 2008 - 17:00 ET by candanceRush and Sean will only be happy when America looks like a cheesy sitcom from the 50s? Do you even listen to their shows?
yes I do
March 24, 2008 - 17:27 ET by wizardjrand there was nothing inherently wrong with the 50's; the economy was good and blacks and "others" knew there proper place; now look at us, yeeck
wizard
March 24, 2008 - 19:33 ET by candanceI hope that comment was meant to be a joke - otherwise that's a horrible thing to say.
Sure do. They love the
March 24, 2008 - 17:51 ET by balboaSure do. They love the America that they want, despise anything that doesn't fit into that equation.
Bal, Not so sure Rush would
March 24, 2008 - 17:06 ET by LeonBal,
Not so sure Rush would want a Father Knows Best world.
Unless of course I missed the episodes where Father was getting high on Oxy and getting down on some sweet sex tourism with a bag full of Viagra in the Dominican Republic.
Cute by half little
March 24, 2008 - 17:08 ET by bigtimerCute by half little one...as always.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Leon
March 24, 2008 - 17:59 ET by MrShyYou go girl!
Republican/right-leaning radio personality had some private addiction to drugs he was taking -- who knows what went on in his private life, but he's not a politician so who really cares (right, you do) -- and he's fast fodder for Leon's "jokes", as he would classify them, we're guessing.
Meeeeeeanwhile, (earth to Leon).... back in WASHINGTON:
Democrat politician, Senator Spitzer, NY, shamefully resigns after being caught paying for prostitution, spending upwards of 80 thousand dollars over a span of many years. He's married with 3 children. Possible use of campaign funds still under investigation.
Democrat politician, Senator Patterson, NY, now reveals he had extra-marrital affairs, and even had sex/affairs with women on his staff who were later given new jobs/positions.
Democrat politician, Mayor Kilpatrick, Detroit, and an aide indicted on felony charges, including perjury and obstruction of justice after prosecutors said sexually explicit
text messages between the two contradicted their sworn court testimony.
Democrat politician, Senator and Presidential candidate Obama, Illinois, is revealed to have -- and somehow continues to maintain -- a close relationship with an overt racist, hate-mongering pastor. Proof is in not one 15-30 second soundbite, but many selected video clips from many different sermons. He has been Obama's pastor, spiritual advisor, a major figure -- and his church a primary doner -- of his campaign, was the priest at his wedding and baptised his children. He later defends this Reverend, and also refers to his grandmother as "a typical white person".
Democrat politician, Senator and Presidential candidate Obama, Illinois, and Democrat politician, Senator and Presidential candidate Clinton, NY, both have companies that contributed and/or were advisers to their campaigns, whose employees were caught snooping into passport records of all candidates in the State Department. Still under investigation.
Democrat politician, Mayor Sharpe James, NJ, indicted last year, charged with 25 counts of corruption including charges of using city credit cards for personal expenses, abusing his office by steering discounted city property to a girlfriend who then sold the parcels for large profits.
Democrat politician, Rep. William Jefferson, indicted last year after more than two years of being the target of a federal investigation, on 16-counts includeing charges of racketeering, soliciting bribes, money laundering, obstruction of justice, corruption, and conspiracy.
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What do those politicians
March 24, 2008 - 18:00 ET by balboaWhat do those politicians have to do with Rush?
Hey Bal
March 24, 2008 - 18:13 ET by MrShyI think you can first ask Leon what his silly joke about Rush's personal past has to do with this thread regarding Hannity and Rush labeled as "American Haters".
Since he off-topic'ed into silliness that smears a radio host, I suddenly felt the urge to remind him -- and others that need reminding -- of the very serious current state of the left wing party that is falling apart before our eyes, daily revealing itself to be laughably corrupt, devoid of any integrity, and utterly without morals or values.
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I think Leon was pointing
March 24, 2008 - 18:14 ET by balboaI think Leon was pointing out the hypocrisy of a Limbaugh who decries the morals of the left, and of drug addicts, etc., but falls prey to the same vices.
bal
March 24, 2008 - 18:16 ET by MrShyGood enough, then. We're on the topic of hypocrisy now, so my post was completely relevant. Vital, in fact.
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I was just trying to figure
March 24, 2008 - 18:18 ET by balboaI was just trying to figure out why you went from TV / radio to politicians.
bal
March 24, 2008 - 18:31 ET by MrShyYou're actually smarter than I give you credit for :p (okay, I've never secretly given you anything less than high marks in the smarts department, I swear! :))
You succeeded in luring me into feeling that I indeed inapropriately posted this on the wrong thread (sort of) when now I'm realizing, wait, no... it's totally relevant to how that article, with it's up/sideways/down arrows of judging/grading people's character is so out of whack in comparison to the very serious scandalous behavior of Obama and other LIBERALS.
So I'm exposing how the media is arrowing "down" the Hannity's and Rush's of the world who have made some comments as they're tv personalities who give their opinions, while disgracefully arrowing "sideways" these awful misdeeds by politicians, no less, who SHOULD be held to more account and higher standards, as they serve us.
Happy? And btw, really, what IS your take on the endless, blatant scandals that continue to surface almost weekly in the Democratic party? Curious what your take is on this whole mess.
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I hear ya' Mr. Shy. As
March 24, 2008 - 18:43 ET by balboaI hear ya' Mr. Shy.
As for the democratic scandals, I don't have much faith in politicians of any stripe, let alone my own party. I hate it, but I'm not surprised. Seems to be the nature of the beast. Show me an "honest" politician, and I'll show you someone who's probably just done a good job sweeping the dirt under the carpet.
"Show me an
March 24, 2008 - 20:53 ET by red_dragon311"Show me an "honest" politician, and I'll show you someone who's probably just done a good job sweeping the dirt under the carpet."
ok
"Show me an "honest" politician..." you would have thought Barack H-word Obama was according to all the news stories last year
"...and I'll show you someone who's probably just done a good job sweeping the dirt under the carpet."
All this Rev Wright and his church business
Spot on Bal
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
If that's the worst Obama
March 24, 2008 - 21:23 ET by balboaIf that's the worst Obama has, then he's ahead of the game.
bal
March 24, 2008 - 22:41 ET by MrShyWorst that Obama has?
His pastor for 20-years, who he and his family have been very close with, who openly and recklessly has preached hatred and contempt toward his own country, distrust of whites, uses awful, outdated stereotypes all over regarding race and our government, pushing conspiracy theories about AIDS.... and on and on. A person who Obama admits has been a major influence in his life -- who has been like "an uncle".
Oh, and let's not forget the church that Obama is connected with now has an equally-hate filled pastor replacing Rev. Wright, calling this whole thing a "lynching".
Oh, and Obama not only defends Rev. Wright as a person, but proceeds to compare this rhetoric with words his grandmother might have said in private some 40 years ago.
Oh, and said grandmother is your "average white person", our future President of the United States casually reminds us off-hand, on a radio show.
Come on, Barack, give us something that will REALLY bring into question your qualifications for the POTUS, and for "change" and "moving our country forward" and "getting beyond the divisive culture of politics".
Yes, that's a heaping pile of sarcasm, Bal.
This stuff is horrendous, and Obama is miraculously chugging along, thanks to good ole' MSM protection.
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It's not good, that's for
March 24, 2008 - 22:42 ET by balboaIt's not good, that's for sure.
I'll stop tapping if you stop tapping
March 25, 2008 - 11:31 ET by Angry AfricanI'll stop tapping my feet at the airport toilets if you stop tapping that keyboard...
Why be angry-"Don't Worry, Be Happy"!
March 25, 2008 - 11:39 ET by PawpawNDon't Worry, Be Happy. AA, that has a different meaning here in US.
The Founding Fathers would be ashamed
March 24, 2008 - 17:10 ET by Angry AfricanThis might just be the last blog I write about politics in America. I have written about Obama being the American Mandela, the burden of the hope he brings, and the man he is in his own right. But I don’t know anymore. I still believe in Obama, but I just don’t believe in American politics anymore. If this is how they want to play politics in America then I don’t want to play anymore. This is too sick. This is nothing to be proud of. Yes, they won - the cynics and morally corrupt. This is just not right guys. This is not what people fought for and died for. The Founding Father would be ashamed. And so should you. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/23/the-founding-fathers-will-be-ashamed/
"I still believe in Obama,
March 24, 2008 - 17:22 ET by Dan The Man 2"I still believe in Obama, but I just don’t believe in American politics anymore." and that tells me all I need to know. Are you a citizen of teh USA? I can see by visiting the blog where your views may be distorted. But you dont seem to get it do you. Obama is an empty suit full of empty promises, well so is Shillary and McCain is not too good either. I dont see how you can like Obama with his, his wife's and pastor's bigot views and racist attitudes toward whites.
This is not South Africa and never will be. Different cultures and worlds.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
See what I mean
March 24, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Angry AfricanI agree with the different cultures and different worlds. I just find it odd that the people that I have met (from all walks of life and different political views) are so hateful when it comes to politics. I don't mind people not liking Obama - hey, that's why people have democracies. But it turns into a hate science here.
I mean really - what is that last line of yours? Nuke em til they glow then shoot them in the dark?
AA... You got one thing
March 24, 2008 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerAA...
You got one thing right in all your diatribe...America does not deserve Obama.
Btw...I don't give a rats rear what the rest of the world thinks anyway...but they sure all come screaming to us if they have any issues or needs...and we are always the first ones there.
Go figure.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You don't give a rats rears?
March 24, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Angry AfricanYes you do. Or else you wouldn't strick your nose in everywhere. The problem isn't whether you care or not. It is whether you can survive without the world or not. And the fact is you can't. Look at the trade deficit. Where do you think your car comes from? And you food? And you house? And you bank's money? etc etc. You need the world just as much as what the world needs you. Sorry - interdependence rule whether you like it or not.
You the first ones there? Uh, when? Not in any of the last big wars - sorry. Late in WWII if I recall. No one comes running to you. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. People run to China for cheap labour and cheap goods. And wars? Most of Europe just stay out of it and see their Euro grow.
I love the US. It stands for more than what most people think or would like to acknowledge. But don't drink that Kool-Aid that people feed you. It ain't true anymore.
AA, Great post. Well
March 25, 2008 - 17:25 ET by LeonAA,
Great post. Well stated. You are 100% correct. Unfortunately it looks like America is going to have to wait for all the old heads to pass away and leave us alone. They don't understand the importance of global relations in world that revolves around one global economy.
It's sad.
No reply from BT is priceless. Nice work.
Leon's in the HOUSE!
March 25, 2008 - 17:29 ET by PawpawNLeon has graced us with his Liberal presence. Hey man, "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY"!!!
PawPawN
March 25, 2008 - 17:51 ET by MrShy"Whoa" there, "tiger", who you callin' Liberal?
:p
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Liberal Leon-isn't LEON really code for .....
March 25, 2008 - 22:04 ET by PawpawNIsn't LEON really code for LIBERAL EMBICLE ON NEWSBUSTERS! What I thought anyway!
Please call me a liberal
March 25, 2008 - 20:38 ET by Angry AfricanBroadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy (like in the US with it's subsidies to commercial famrs and big oil companies), and a transparent system of government. All liberals — as well as some adherents of other political ideologies — support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.
If that's a liberal, please call me one. So which part don't you agree with?
(definition easy - I used to be a Political Science lecturer, but this is by WikiP).
AngryA
March 25, 2008 - 20:58 ET by MrShyHaha. I'm afraid, AA, that's not a liberal at all. Not in today's world.
So from now on we're calling you a conservative (do we have your permission?)
Also...
liberalism:
emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity.
conservatism:
fosters an equal playing field to all people, which results in actually offering individual rights and equality of opportunity.
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You can call me anything
March 25, 2008 - 21:07 ET by Angry AfricanYou can pretty much call me anything you want - but I draw the line at you calling me a Yankee supporter. Hell comes with me if you do that...
AA
March 25, 2008 - 21:12 ET by MrShyWhy would I ever call you a Yankee supporter? "I know where you live"... looked at your site... you're a Red Sox fan, of course :)
:p
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Yes, it's a Red state
March 25, 2008 - 21:30 ET by Angry AfricanYep, I live in the Red state.
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That's not a Liberal in the US of A
March 25, 2008 - 22:06 ET by PawpawNAA your definition of Liberal is not what it is here in this country. Wow it's the furtherest thing, although they do talk a good game, but walk a totally different one!
Paw
March 25, 2008 - 22:15 ET by MrShyScroll up a few posts... I said the same thing, with a few extras thrown in :)
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MrShy Beared repeating since never knew a Lib that was that way
March 25, 2008 - 22:20 ET by PawpawNI never ever knew a Liberal that way, but have to admit did know a few Virginia Democrats who actually were conservative. Right now it's weird here as we have Dem gov who is married to daughter of former Repub gov. Who'd of thunk it! The person who said "politics makes for strange bedfellows" had them and CARVILLE & MATLIN in mind.
LOL little one...never saw
March 25, 2008 - 18:08 ET by bigtimerLOL little one...never saw his reply...I do have a life.
Btw...If I had seen his reply I would of answered the same anyway.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT, It's dubious to claim
March 26, 2008 - 09:02 ET by LeonBT,
It's dubious to claim that watching tv and typing on the internet all day, every day is 'having a life'.
Regardless, AA put you in your place. In fact, you still haven't mustered a reply.
Seems as if we are alone
March 25, 2008 - 20:33 ET by Angry AfricanHi Leon,
Seems as if we are alone around here. But at least there is debate.
AA, There are a few
March 26, 2008 - 09:01 ET by LeonAA,
There are a few others hiding in the bushes, but not many.
Thankfully we are here or this site would be incredibly boring. Bunch of guys slapping 5 in the locker room over how much they agree on everything.
Boooring.
Be forewarned, rational thought is discouraged in these parts.
"Bunch of guys slapping 5
March 26, 2008 - 09:03 ET by NL207"Bunch of guys slapping 5 in the locker room over how much they agree on everything"
You mean like Media Matters?
NL, No I mean like
March 26, 2008 - 09:07 ET by LeonNL,
No I mean like Newsbusters.
Speaking of Media Matters, David Brock was your man in the 90s. Now that he's stopped lying, you don't like him anymore.
Isn't that convenient.