Remember Chris Kelly, the mudslinger at the Huffington Post who mocked Ann Coulter's father as a Nazi right after he died? On Monday, Kelly took up mocking Pope Benedict as a Nazi in attacking Bill O'Reilly, and by extension, every Catholic who attended an Easter Mass, as a way to deflect criticism of Barack Obama's poor taste in ministers:
The Huffington Post has learned that Bill O'Reilly -- who claims to love America -- spent Sunday at a "church" run by a former Hitler Youth named Joseph Alois Ratzinger. Ratzinger has gone to elaborate ends to hide this connection, including taking on the absurd pseudonym "Pope Benedict XVI." Which, even if it doesn't prove anything, certainly makes you think.
This shocking revelation comes only a week after Barack Obama admitted he attends a church formerly run by Jeremiah Wright, who talks smack about America, although probably less than Goebbels did.
This would all be holy water under the bridge, except for one disturbing and undeniable fact: Bill O'Reilly is a Roman Catholic, and Benedict "Joey Ratz" XVI worked for Hitler, as did Unity Mitford, whose baby sister was Jessica Mitford, who knew Maya Angelou, who knew Betty Shabazz, who was married to Malcolm X, who knew Louis Farrakhan.
Is there any place in our public discourse for men like Bill O'Reilly, who won't even repudiate their links to Louis Farrakhan? I'll give you the last word, and then cut you off in the middle of it: No there isn't.
It's incredibly tawdry to suggest that because a German child was forcibly inducted into the Hitler Youth at 14 it means he was a fervent Nazi. Young Joseph Ratzinger was also conscripted into the German Army, but he deserted. As a man of the church, he has been an important spokesman against anti-Semitism.
Is Chris Kelly so remarkably dim that he doesn't realize that he's completely making the conservative case that The Huffington Post is a nasty hate site with these kind of postings? See our Special Report on "Huffington's House of Horrors" for more.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.
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cue the voice of a four year old
March 24, 2008 - 10:33 ET by candanceBut Mommy! Mommy! They did it too! Catholics are mean!
Shameless.
March 24, 2008 - 10:38 ET by jcrapes4Shameless.
I agree.
March 24, 2008 - 11:30 ET by motherbeltI agree.
Joey Ratz????
This is absolutely beyong disgusting.
Typical Left-Wing Propaganda
March 25, 2008 - 00:47 ET by PopularTechNew pope defied Nazis as teen during WWII (USA Today)
New Pope served in Hitler Youth but was no Nazi (Reuters)
Few See Taint in Service by Pope in Hitler Youth (The New York Times)
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The dates of those three
March 27, 2008 - 22:52 ET by CortillaenThe dates of those three articles happen to be my first point, so take a look. For those of you with slow connections (or who are just lazy), they were all written in April... of 2005. Fast forward almost three years to Mr. Kelly's article, which asserts that, "This shocking revelation comes only a week after Barack Obama admitted he attends a church formerly run by Jeremiah Wright". Riiight, maybe it's a "shocking revelation" to those living in the liberal fantasy land I affectionately (okay, not really) like to call "gross ignorance". Sure, it's great material for hit piece on O'Reilly, the Pope, and Catholics in general, but depicting one's self as absurdly under-informed on world news and, as a bonus, unwilling to bother checking up on the facts before publishing your own version doesn't seem to engender much in the way of respect or trust. Then again, the Huffers never had those from anyone capable of clear thought for more than sporadic moments.
Next up, did Kelly really imply O'Reilly's unsuitability for public discourse via eight (some very tenuous) degrees of separation from Louis Farrakhan? Yes, yes he did, as per the latter two paragraphs of the clip in this article. Do I even need to make fun of this kind of absurdity? No, I thought not, though I can if Leon, Balboa, etc. really want me to.
Mr. Kelly? You, my not-so-friendly liberal, need help. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I can't really suggest any therapy or medication options for you, though. Being the engineering student that I am, I'd be more inclined to try building a rocket-and-grappling-hook contraption to lasso you, drag your head out of Uranus, and get your feet back on solid earth.
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And Bill is running for what
March 24, 2008 - 10:42 ET by general companyAnd Bill is running for what office? Even if this had any substance, the simple fact is , two wrongs don't make a right. Obama's pastor is STILL a pinhead!
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
The O'Bama Factor
March 24, 2008 - 10:42 ET by Jack BauerWell at least Chris Kelly doesn't claim to love America.
Though I don't think it is right of him to investigate someone running for the Presidency, like Senator Bill O'Reilly.
Kelly and that absurd show The O'Bama Factor should keep their big fat traps SHUT and let the saintly Bill proceed to the Democratic Party nomination unchallenged.
That Barry O'Bama has some nerve.
This is how the "Huff N
March 24, 2008 - 10:44 ET by QueenMumThis is how the "Huff N Puff" Post gets publicity. Counting on O'Reilly to respond. I would hope that O'Reilly completely ignores this. Arianna and friends don't deserve the face time.
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If he doesn't ignore it,
March 24, 2008 - 10:48 ET by NewsbusterbrownIf he doesn't ignore it, then he has to laugh at it. What maroon would actually buy this stupidity and be swayed by it?
QueenMum...I suspect
March 24, 2008 - 11:29 ET by JerQueenMum...I suspect Kelly's essay is a satirical response to O'Reilly's obsessive Huffington bashing in recent weeks--which included his comparing her to a Nazi because of some over the top comments by an anonymous poster on her site. Ignore the issue? I fully expect O'Reilly will forge ahead with his smear campaign, just as he has done so against other progressive sites such as Media Matters and dKos.
Jer
I fully expect O'Reilly
March 24, 2008 - 11:36 ET by motherbeltI fully expect O'Reilly will forge ahead with his smear campaign, just
as he has done so against other progressive sites such as Media Matters
and dKos.
Why is it a smear campaign to criticize MM and Kos? Has he said anything that wasn't true? What was the "smear"?
mb...O'Reilly's rhetoric
March 24, 2008 - 11:58 ET by Jermb...O'Reilly's rhetoric ["evil, hate sites, etc."]has far exceeded legitimate criticisms. To me, that's smearing. Olbermann has done likewise with some of his anti-Bush rants.
Jer
hate site
March 24, 2008 - 12:05 ET by candanceGiven the kinds of things that are routinely said on HuffPo I don't see how you can call it anything but a hate site. No matter the political affiliation, if it quacks like a duck then it's a duck.
Conversely, it would not be
March 24, 2008 - 12:20 ET by JasonCConversely, it would not be difficult to hand-pick some statements made by certain posters on NB and call the site Fascist, Imperialist, Chickenhawkish, &c., &c. Problem is, no reasonable person would then transfer those epithets to the majority of NBers, its masthead, or Bozell. Wrong as I may believe most of them are on most issues, I recognize that they are not those things.
seriously Jason
March 24, 2008 - 12:24 ET by candanceThere is a difference between cherry picking a few crazy statements and observing the overall tone of a website on a consistent basis. HuffPo routinely dabbles in hate speech.
the real difference
March 24, 2008 - 12:36 ET by UndercoverConservativeis whenever someone on NB gets out of hand they either get a public warning to tone it down or a personal message telling them to knock it off. There has *never* been a public "tone-it-down" message after over the top hate speech on the KOS during the last year I've been lurking there. In fact, the hate is encouraged.
Plus, point out any death threats made by individuals here against specific named individuals who are private citizens whose only "crime" is having a differing opinion and a blog site. No one is asking for the rape of HuffPo owners. Over the top calls for the assasination of world leaders get the smackdown here, but if that world leader is saying he's gonna kill *me* and *mine* then that's a little different.
But even if we stretch to include those, you're gonna find quite a bit more death threats on the other sites.
Of course, if the minority of HuffPo and KOSsacks who post sane, reasonable argument are the reason we should never criticize or even return hostilities towards their out of control majority, then we could justify the same "tolerance" to a few "white supremacist" sites because they "sanely" and with carefully nonspecific rhetoric, justify "separate but equal", segregation, and even genocide.
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
candance...here's some HuffPo hate speech:
March 24, 2008 - 13:08 ET by JerHuffPo routinely dabbles in hate speech.
You mean like this, candance?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-ruxin/bush-in-africa_b_87462.html
Jer
Praise for Bush at HuffPo
March 25, 2008 - 00:11 ET by JerI guess candance left the thread prior to viewing or at least commenting on the link I posted above. But, for the record, it is a blog at HuffPo which effusively praises Bush for his initiatives in Africa.
Jer
candance...
March 24, 2008 - 12:22 ET by JerJust like most political sites, candance, there is good and bad. It's not a hate site. One can find highly objectionable comments on just about any website, including HuffPost--and occasionally there will be a diary that is out of bounds. But it is unfair to label it a hate site.
Jer
what's the acceptable ratio?
March 24, 2008 - 12:48 ET by UndercoverConservativehow much "hate" to how much "reasoned discussion" is the defining point between "hate site" and "progressive discussion board"?
Ten "Kill Bush"'s to every "Impeach Bush"? Five "Coulter needs a gang r@pe" to every "O"Reilly is overboard"? Or is it a mass effect? Can a thousand personally directed, vile spewing death threats continuously on a site, posted by the same offenders who are never removed by site admin, be the critical mass that shows the site is using the "reasonable" posters as a shield? If a site is created dedicated to the historical understanding of the Nazi Party and it's "official mission" is to promote that understanding so that currentNeo Nazi resurgency is controlled, is it a hate site? What if it eventually collects a "hard core" group who start using the site as a means to recruit new members and as an online communications center to organize their movements? Does that change anything, if the administration fails to remove this rotten core, even thought they give lip service to their "educational" mission?
I don't lurk HuffPo but you can't tell me KOS doesn't know what his site contains, and which offenders need to be kicked if he was truly interested in "progressive" discussion instead of subversion and even advocating violence to score some advertising dollars and support from MoveOn and Soros. Lurkers and reasonable members will report people who violate the "rules" but they're still there.
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
UnderCon: I think I've
March 24, 2008 - 13:32 ET by JerUnderCon:
I think I've posted the following links re conservative views of dailyKos three times previously, and thus far they haven't generated a single comment. Maybe you'll end the shutout.
Granted, I'm sure these two individuals represent a minority view among conservatives.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/17/0857/83210
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/08/05/my-interview-with-sergeant-david-aguina/
Jer
are those
March 24, 2008 - 13:58 ET by UndercoverConservativeare those "generic conservative" or NB specific? trolling the Web for commentary, from different sites doesn't allow us to see either an history of a poster or if attempts at admin control were even made.
Specifically comparing KOS and NB which I am on both, was where I wanted to focus the discussion and allegations of hate speech.
Can you bring up links from here (NB) that aren't filtered thru KOS first? If not, then that was thepoint I was trying to make.
and no, I don't post on DK. I originally signed on at the recommendation of a friend who claimed his posts were either incorrectly identified and banned, or edited. After seeing some of his work before he posted, and the output later (if ever) made sure that I'd never put any effort in so it would be ignored or twisted.
The second link is interesting in that it pretty much assumes that the KOS is the alpha and omega of the mainstream, everyday people of the media, and that anyone who is not of KOS is not of the "netroots". An attitude of superiority or elitism (if you're not one of us, et al) is highly disturbing. And that's among the "saner" KOSsers.
still, how does this justify the vile hate speech that is the majority of KOS and the dictatorial tactics of those in it's power structure who refuse to control the hate but do everything they can to eliminate, or ridicule (or call it a Malkin conspiracy) anything that might provide balance?
"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
UnderCon...I'm not sure
March 24, 2008 - 14:29 ET by JerUnderCon...I'm not sure what you mean by "generic conservative" vs. "NB specific" or "bringing up links from NB that aren't filtered through Kos."
The first link is a post at DailyKos by a conservative who describes his experience at the site.
The second link is to an article by Rick Moran who is the proprietor/principal blogger at the conservative "Rightwing Nuthouse".
Jer
Jer
March 24, 2008 - 14:54 ET by well99Checked out your links.Interesting and there are some at both sites(DK and Huff) that arent raving left wing loons.I dont include liberals as that (LWLoons).I have no problem with real liberals.The problem with those sites is there are to many that are extremist.Then again you have those open minded leaders like King Kos and Mz Huff who lead the pack(They are LWLoons).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-i-am-grateful-that-ru_b_92624.html
I think alot of this hatred is due to no outlet.Let me suggest something for the Kos Kids and Huffers.A nice vacation with matching attire and plenty of heathy exercise.Also a chance to learn new social skills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYp2Aloz-uE&feature=user
Loved the video,
March 24, 2008 - 15:40 ET by JerLoved the video, well99...you really come up with some good ones. Did you notice the very first comment: "I never knew prison was so much fun. I'm gonna go rob a bank or something now." LOL.
As I said, I don't deny there are occasional blog/diaries at both dKos and HuffPo which really turn me off. One at HuffPo in particular was by the ex-SNL cast member A. Whitney Brown which took some unfunny and tasteless swipes at the military. I posted a comment blasting him and his commentary. Also, many of the Tony Snow comments were offensive and inexcusable.
Arianna's explanation is that her site generates 500,000 comments per month, and they make a determined effort to monitor and expunge the nasty posts. But, inevitably some slip through. [She also posted a sampling of comments from O'Reilly's own website which were equally offensive.]
I agree with Roger and others who disfavor censorship, but I think both sides have their extremists, and could do a better job in "civilizing" the atmosphere. Passionate advocacy is fine...verbal trash serves no purpose whatsoever.
Jer
Jer
March 24, 2008 - 16:04 ET by well99I agree and sometimes I know I go overboard.I dont wish someones death or gloat over others.Those posts should be kicked.Same as bigoted remarks.There is no place for them.Freedom of speech doesnt give anyone the right to slander or set up a death watch.I see the problem as Mz Huff and King Kos lead the charge with their closed minded views.Sometimes we really need to check ourselves(myself included) not to use sites as a outlet to vent but a chance to have honest discourse.
So you don't think HuffPo
March 24, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Gary P JacksonSo you don't think HuffPo and Kos, aren't hate sites?
I'm sure it was a loving, caring, person, who upon hearing Tony Snow's cancer had returned, hoped he died a slow, agonizing death.
Or maybe you are talking about the saintly person who, after Nancy Reagan fell, hoped she lingered a few days and then died.
Kos and HuffPo are vile hate sites. The people who contribute there, and frequent it are just as vile and hate filled. These sites have no place in civilized society.
...or too bad the
March 24, 2008 - 13:48 ET by bigtimer...or too bad the terrorists missed hitting VP Cheney...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I think we should not be
March 24, 2008 - 13:52 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think we should not be censoring these websites. Sure, thet's a lot of vitriol and hate out there, but Huffypo and Kos have been very therapeutic for our poor liberal brothers and sisters who have had to suffer the past 7 years of evil Chimpy McHalliburton and Karl Rove's time/weather machines... Think of it as therapy for our poor comrades.
Plus, censoring those sites would be very un-American.
Bulls-Eye Roger. "Never
March 24, 2008 - 13:55 ET by bigtimerBulls-Eye Roger.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Sir Shrubbo --
March 24, 2008 - 14:13 ET by Jack BauerSir Shrubbo -- agreed.
When I was at college, I would mention to family and friends some of the crazy, vile and violent haters associated with a rainbow of leftists causes.
Of course, being soft-liberals themselves, they wouldn't believe me. But thanks to the internet, they can now see for themselve on the Kos, et al.
Besides, they are hilarious, and I know some NBers are quite sensitive but I have no problems with short Anglo-Saxon words and navy language. I just don't use it that often here!
Couldn't have said it
March 24, 2008 - 15:09 ET by Gary P JacksonCouldn't have said it better, or with more wit!
Gary...Should I cull some
March 24, 2008 - 13:55 ET by JerGary...Should I cull some comments from FreeRepublic [or even here] and show you what caring, kindly, compassionate conservatives are capable of saying on occasion?
Yes, I've seen some despicable stuff on HuffPo and dKos...even posted my objections to it. But I still say it's the exception rather than the norm. They are not hate sites.
Jer
Jer, Don't forget the
March 24, 2008 - 13:59 ET by LeonJer,
Don't forget the site that loves to hate.
Little Green Footballs.
Hands down the most hateful political forum site on the internet.
LGF
March 24, 2008 - 14:08 ET by JerRemembered it right after I posted...good example.
Jer
Hands-down? The debate is
March 24, 2008 - 15:03 ET by Roger the ShrubberHands-down? The debate is over! Leon has decreed it!
Leon
March 24, 2008 - 15:05 ET by well99I disagree.It wasnt Little Green Footballs that was drooling over 181 Iraqis killed in one day.It was some huffers that were so happy to have something that they could rail against Bush on.Never mind the fact those were actual people that died.All they cared about was spewing their hate.
I agree. LGF is much much
March 24, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. LGF is much much worse than lovefest sites like smirkingchimp or the drudge rerort. Leon, as always, you never fail to make yourself look douchey.
I disagree. You cannot sift
March 24, 2008 - 14:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberI disagree. You cannot sift through a thread of comments at HuffPo or KOS without reading a litany of 2004-era Bushie/Rethuglican insults. There are plenty of right-wing sites that offer a similiar fare, but please so not blow smoke up this shrubber's arse and say the Kostards and Hufftards are NOT haters.
Rog...you know I respect
March 24, 2008 - 14:17 ET by JerRog...you know I respect you, as well as your arse [although I hope I never find myself in the position of actually trying to blow smoke up it]. I will concede there are haters who are Kostards and Hufftards, but I do not believe that dKos and HuffPo are hate sites.
Jer
Yeah, "hate site" seems a
March 24, 2008 - 15:02 ET by Roger the ShrubberYeah, "hate site" seems a bit extreme to me, too. Both sides have their own gathering places to stick pins in their own voodoo dolls. I do wish both sides would stop pretending their side DOESN'T do it while the other does. It seems silly.
Oh, and this shrubber's arse is smoke-free :)
Man, pass that bong my way!
March 24, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Gary P JacksonMan, pass that bong my way! I would love to have such rosy view of those haters! The hate coming for Kos, HuffPo, and Democrat(ic) Underground is off the scale.
I have yet to go there that it wasn't. If it was a book, you could open it to any random page, close your eyes and put your finger down, and odds are it would land in the middle of some hate filled rant!
It sure wasn't a conservative who put Joe Lieberman in black face, because he had the intellectual honesty to say he was indeed in favor of, and supported the war on terror.
There is no contest. These are awful, filth, dirty sites, frequented by awful, filthy, dirty people. Period.
Ah, the excuse of moral
March 24, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Ruths husband BenAh, the excuse of moral equivalence. Works for me. I'm sold. Huff Post is not full of haters because I can find right wing haters to balance them out. End of debate.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they
made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)
"Oh, rrrreaaaalllllyyyyy!!!!!!! -RhB
That's what I thought, Jer.
March 24, 2008 - 11:53 ET by balboaThat's what I thought, Jer. If you read the whole essay, he seems to be making the point that if you can condemn Obama for Wright's comments, then why can't you condemn BOR for attending a former Hitler Youth's church.
bal...
March 24, 2008 - 12:11 ET by JerI've read a good many of Kelly's diaries. Much of his writiing is of the satirical "humor" genre--at least he seems to consider it funny. Some of it really is...some is simply not particularly clever ranting. He's not one of my favorites.
Jer
bal
March 24, 2008 - 12:13 ET by candanceThree points to bring up here:
1) BOR's priest has apparently disavowed the Nazi platform (which he joined as a social movement 65 years ago) and cannot be heard giving hateful rants on YouTube today.
2) The media has given Obama and Wright plenty of chances to explain themselves - HuffPo didn't bother to ask any of their targets for a statement.
3) BOR has never admitted to hearing his priest say controversial things.
Well said, candance.
March 24, 2008 - 12:42 ET by motherbeltWell said, candance.
I would add that with this headline:
O'Reilly Attends Easter Services At Church Lead by Ex-Nazi
(btw, it's led, not lead) what Kelly apparently expects from BOR is to drop out of the Catholic Church altogether.
The Pope is not "BOR's Priest." He is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. BOR's priest is the pastor of his parish in his home town, just like Rev. Wright was Obama's Pastor.
No one ever expected Obama to give up membership in the United Church
of Christ; just to attend Sunday services at officiated by a different preacher.
The equivalent would be asking O'Reilly to attend a different Catholic
Church in his town, because his parish priest says hateful things about
America.
I am frankly sick of those who have to try to create a moral equivalence for everything a liberal is criticized for, no matter how ridiculous the comparison.
I'm not saying his
March 24, 2008 - 15:12 ET by balboaI'm not saying his comparison works very well, just that that is what he was trying for...I think.
Well...
March 24, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Prester John....we know how calm and rational things were in Nazi Germany in 1944-45 and that if a German teenager didn't want to be in the Hitler Youth he didn't have to, right?
And if someone makes a mistake, oh, say 63 years ago we have to hold it against him regardless of what he's done since, right?
Right.
Hey. If Obama can be
March 24, 2008 - 10:57 ET by QueenMumHey. If Obama can be excused for his admitted and voluntary drug use in more recent times, why the outrage about something Benedict was forced to do in his youth?
I am the exotic Queen Mum, and I approved this message.
Americans
March 24, 2008 - 11:00 ET by iveseenitallMany Americans are apathetic, lazy, and ignorant. But most Americans are not as stupid as some "liberals" think they are. How pathetic!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Libs
March 24, 2008 - 11:01 ET by iveseenitallNEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Huffington Huffing
March 24, 2008 - 11:06 ET by d1carterThere is something strange about this obsessive focus on Bill O, a commentator on a small cable news outlet. Don't ya think?
6 months ago: Pastor
March 24, 2008 - 11:07 ET by sublight686 months ago: Pastor Wright continues his long litany of hate-mongering, anti-American diatribes. Doesn't matter.
25 years ago: Barak Obama experiments with illegal narcotics. Doesn't matter.
45 years ago: Bill Clinton "didn't inhale". Doesn't matter.
65 years ago: A German teenager is forced into the Hitler Youth. The entire Catholic Church is a bunch of Nazis.
I have a friend who reads
March 24, 2008 - 11:15 ET by marpelI have a friend who reads the Huffington Post everyday and as liberal as she is, she will criticize when she reads some of the hideous comments coming from the site. Unfortunately, she's not like most libs and does think for herself instead of having that pack mentality like most Huffers.
1. Huffington Post denizens
March 24, 2008 - 11:27 ET by JasonC1. Huffington Post denizens are not representative of liberal ideology or behavior. I can see that as the '08 election chugs along, we're going to see a whole lot more of this whole notion that liberals are closed-minded, pig-headed, and unable to "laugh at themselves" (instead always getting indignant if they feel slighted) whereas conservatives are long-suffering yet noble, stoic, and martyr-like in the face of low blows and critique. Stories and comments about SNL and Youtube reactions to Newsbusted indicate that conservatives are going to push this whole "We do so have a sense of humor!" warhorse to within an inch of its life.
2. Where does it say that the Pope was forced into serving in the Hitler Youth? Many Hitler Youth were quite enthusiastic about it; just as most non-Jewish Germans were quite enthusiastic about their chancellor.
3. Even if he wasn't forced into Hitler Youth service, I wouldn't hold it against him. But this should be a nice little lesson for all of the anti-Obama people whose panties are in a collective snit over the senator's church ties.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. I know I read that somewhere....
3. Even if he wasn't forced
March 24, 2008 - 11:36 ET by sublight683. Even if he wasn't forced into Hitler Youth service, I wouldn't hold it against him. But this should be a nice little lesson for all of the anti-Obama people whose panties are in a collective snit over the senator's church ties.
One was short-lived and ended 60+ years ago. The other continued over 20 years and continutes to this day.
I shook hands with Al Gore once, 15 years ago. Doesn't mean I can be associated with his AGW hysteria. But if I turned to him as a mentor and advisor over the course of my life, and continued to do so, whether or not my views align with his would certainly be a valid question.
Hmmm, Should I even respond
March 24, 2008 - 12:18 ET by HumblepieLet me see if I'm correct to assume from JasonC's blog that because we "conservatives" are "long-suffering yet noble, stoic, and martyr-like in the face of low blows and critique". Whoa, a lot of words to basically say we're treated like second class citizens. I know, I use to be Democrat, then I seen the light-praise the Lord. I started to think for myself and looked at the world in front of me. Wouldn't you know, conservatives are more in line with the morals I was raised with. We see things in black and white, not shades of gray.
Now I, like most conservatives are the butt of most jokes and we're expected to take it because of our beliefs. To even suggest a comparison between the Pope and Obama is staggering. Lets see, by comparison you didn't have a choice to join the Hitler Youth, you didn't have a choice to join the armed forces. The Pope deserted from said army and has for years dedicated his life to preaching peace about all things.
Our poor Rev. Wright and even the new pastor, continues their role in enforcing the belief that the white man is responsible for all their problems. Whereas, all they are doing is continuing the cycle and teaching a new generation how to be racist, including Obama's kids.
To look at it in a different light, how about this quote from John Cusack, you know the liberal movie star.
Cusack then approvingly quoted from the late
drug-addled journalist Hunter S. Thompson saying America now looked like “a Nazi
monster” and denounced conservatives as “flag-sucking half-wits” who “speak for
all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the
racists and hate mongers among us – they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the
throats of these Nazis.”
Now I wonder why conservative believe they are being prosecuted.
Pathetic attempt once again
March 24, 2008 - 11:21 ET by bigtimerPathetic attempt once again by the despicable left loon critters at HuffnPuff....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
This would be pretty funny
March 24, 2008 - 11:27 ET by FishFace222This would be pretty funny satire had a republican put it out--six degrees of separation. You could probably make similar connections to the Pope with 90% of the US population.
I guess you could add the Kennedys to the list of Nazis as they are Roman Catholic, too.
Let me try here! My
March 25, 2008 - 06:03 ET by SarahAnnieLet me try here!
My pastor was a paratrooper in Viet Nam, before he became an Army Chaplain. And when he was a paratrooper, he met John Kerry once, who knew this guy, who knew another guy, who met a Saudi Arabian fellow, whose last name rhymed with Bin Laden. OMG! My central Nebraskan Lutheran church has ties to terrorism. HuffPo, HELP! ID10Ts.
p.s. I have no evidence that my pastor ever met John Kerry. :)
Nebraskans for War: Peace through Strength
Another shining example of
March 24, 2008 - 11:36 ET by Free ThinkerAnother shining example of the intellectual depth and hate of the fringe left in this country.
exposed
March 24, 2008 - 11:43 ET by m1xramIf we made some cartoons of a Huffington Poster with a bomb on his head which embassy do you think they would burn down?
No I don't think they care. It's probably more like they're p*ss*d you're right.
m1xram
Good grief, it's satire!
March 24, 2008 - 12:13 ET by Agrarian-DecentralistIt should be obvious that Kelly's piece is satire, aimed at skewering the way people on the right have responded to the Barack Obama-Rev. Wright story. If you don't like the satire, fine, but recognize it for what it is and respond accordingly.
AD... ...yeah just a
March 24, 2008 - 12:17 ET by bigtimerAD...
...yeah just a regular laugh riot alright...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
satire
March 24, 2008 - 12:19 ET by candanceEvery rude thing a liberal says is always explained away as being a joke.
Yet when Ann Coulter uses "John Edwards" and "faggot" in the same sentence, there is simply no excuse for her hateful rhetoric.
A little consistency would become you, oh great certified genius with points to spare.
Like when John Kerry
March 24, 2008 - 12:30 ET by fonzie2178"joked" about doing well in school so you don't end up in Iraq. Yep, those libs sure are comedians.
Re name it:
March 24, 2008 - 12:14 ET by mattmFluffington Toast
Not that I'm Catholic, but
March 24, 2008 - 12:36 ET by NazarethNot that I'm Catholic, but the Huff&Puffington post just shows again how really shockingly simple-minded they really are. Painting a whole organization as evil based on the actions of just a VERY few bad seeds in the history of the Catholic religion. By their reasoning, they are indicting htemselves for hte past evil deeds done by any person. Charles Manson murdered people, and he was an American, so according to the dolts of small intellect like Kelly, at Huffington, we're all guilty of murder simply because a bad seed committed murder in the past. Cris Kelly is an irrelevent hack that can't recognize the truth for the scales over his eyes. It is self-loathers like Kelly that would have us all be perpetual victims based on past ills.
http://sacredscoop.com
Aren't these the same people who
March 24, 2008 - 12:31 ET by fonzie2178support "equal rights" and "diversity"?? Oh wait. That's only for people who abort babies, live in sin, or blow up thousands of Americans. Everybody else is just plain evil. Like us Catholics. Typical huffpo BS.
Don't quit your day job, Mr.
March 24, 2008 - 12:31 ET by fitzfongDon't quit your day job, Mr. Kelly. Wait. That is your day job? Well, they do have a two bong minimum over at Huffington's, so I understand.
fitz... ROFL...that was a
March 24, 2008 - 12:38 ET by bigtimerfitz...
ROFL...that was a good one!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
HatePo
March 24, 2008 - 13:10 ET by greenfairieNearly every liberal site is a cesspool of seething hate. It says something when HatePo has to close comments from time to time because they know what they've got and they know it will look bad.
The Nazis exterminated 2
March 24, 2008 - 14:07 ET by rbosqueThe Nazis exterminated 2 million Catholics. I'm tired of people like Chris Kelly who routinely disparage the Church yet allign himself with the Democratic party whose very beliefs mirror anti-religious, pro-extermination Nazis.
Yeah, but they built some
March 24, 2008 - 14:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberYeah, but they built some really good roads...
And don't forget, Hitler
March 24, 2008 - 15:25 ET by Gary P JacksonAnd don't forget, Hitler helped dream up the VW Beetle!
And helped Indy find the
March 24, 2008 - 17:32 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd helped Indy find the Ark and the Holy Grail.
"3. Even if he wasn't
March 24, 2008 - 17:05 ET by ckc1227"3. Even if he wasn't forced into Hitler Youth service, I wouldn't hold
it against him. But this should be a nice little lesson for all of the
anti-Obama people whose panties are in a collective snit over the
senator's church ties."
Riiiiight, because the one-time decision of a 14 year old child equates to one made by a college-educated adult over a 20 year period, a decision that adult STILL stands by and makes even to this day.
Yep, they're just alike. I guess because I once stole a piece of gum as a child, I should be more understanding of street thugs who beat their victims(sometimes to death) and steal their money. You know, because they're the same and all.
Pope Benedict and Nazism
March 24, 2008 - 18:09 ET by johnbarryAs a seminarian, he was compulsorily enrolled in the Hitler Youth in the early 1940s. He refused to attend meetings. His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism. In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down Syndrome was killed by the Nazi regime. Remember the Nazis wished to create the perfect race. Hence mentally handicapped children were despised. Ratzinger was never a member of the Nazi party. In 1943 he was conscripted into an anti aircraft unit guarding a BMW plant outside Munich. Later Ratzinger was sent to Austria's border with Hungary to erect tank traps. Having been shipped back to Bavaria, he deserted. At the end of the war he became an American POW. He was released in 1945 and returned to the seminary.
Kelly is a member of the Church of Liberalism. It supports the abortion holocaust and would have much in common with the Nazis. Many in the abortion movement admire Nazi eugenics
Many in the abortion
March 24, 2008 - 19:01 ET by balboaMany in the abortion movement admire Nazi eugenics
Source? Context?
Abortion and Nazi Eugenics
March 24, 2008 - 20:55 ET by johnbarryhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/cardinal-abortion-as-bad-as-nazi-eugenics-530215.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/may/04052606.html
http://www.abortiondebate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=779
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1888215/posts
None of this shows the
March 24, 2008 - 21:02 ET by balboaNone of this shows the "admiration" you mentioned.
less than a week
March 24, 2008 - 18:32 ET by DFLowerI am completely amazed that it took most of a week to actually get to the Nazi reference. Some one over at HR huffinstuff must be slipping.
DF: I pointed
March 24, 2008 - 22:52 ET by JerDF: I pointed out earlier that it was O'Reilly who initiated the Nazi smears against Ariana Huffington; and, in my opinion, explains why Kelly made such references in his satirical essay.
Jer
Membership in the Hitler Youth was voluntary only until 1936.
March 24, 2008 - 21:28 ET by R D HelmFrom that time forward, membership in that organization was compulsory. Even prior to 1936, membership was "strongly encouraged" by the Nazis. If you know anything of German history during that time, you know what that means.
The youths of Germany in the Hitlerite years had little to no choice.
I have a friend whose father grew up in Germany during those years. He, too, was a Hitler Youth, as was most every other person he knew. Those whe refused to join were treated most harshly by the German authorities when caught.
Fact is, many at Huff 'N Puff support abortion-on-demand as well as partial-birth abortion (which would make ol' Joe Mengele positively blush with envy) and whose anti-semitism, as well as their support for socialism (remember, Adolf Hitler was a LEFTIST) rivals even that of the Nazis themselves.
These idiots have some nerve pointing their finger at anyone who was unfortunate enough to be living in Germany during that hideous time.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Honestly this is a satire
March 25, 2008 - 07:08 ET by blogonatorHonestly this is a satire not written to mock catholics but the way the media covered the whole obama-wright story. Nothing to complain about!
Even if accepted as satire,
March 25, 2008 - 10:30 ET by JoeBobEven if accepted as satire, the moral equivalence presented IS something to complain about.
Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucious
I'm Catholic. I completely
March 25, 2008 - 11:31 ET by fitzfongI'm Catholic. I completely accept Kelly's piece to be satirical. The only problem is that it's LAME! His "satirical" moral equivalencies are tortured...like an awkward college student writing and performing a desperate serenade outside the girl's dorm. You can pat Chris Kelly on the head, say "nice try, Skippy" and try to make him feel better about his sad public meltdown...but he knows. You're laughing at him.
You're right, fitz...I'm
March 25, 2008 - 18:21 ET by JerYou're right, fitz...I'm willing to grant some latitude to a really good satirist. Kelly continues to prove he is not. He was also the author of a hit piece on Ann Coulter after the death of her father several months ago. True, she did slightly politicize an otherwise very moving tribute to her dad, but Kelly's response came across as an unfunny, mean-spirited screed.
[By the way...regarding your reference to the "awkward college student writing and peforming a desperate serenade outside the girl's dorm"...I tried it. Didn't work. It only confirmed that I was awkward and desperate.]
Jer
I hear you, Jer. When I
March 25, 2008 - 19:34 ET by fitzfongI hear you, Jer. When I was in college, I was trying to channel my inner Neil Peart (unfortunately, my talents only allowed me to channel my inner Charlie Watts)...and a drum serenade would have been impractical and wrong on so many other levels.
This guy Chris Kelly reminds me of that weird Josiah kid from American Idol (obviously this reference will escape you if you're one of the many NBers who don't watch AI...though I think there's a level of "thou doth protesteth too much" to some of those who claim not to watch)...minimally talented, yet absolutely certain of his ability. These guys tend to train wreck when they're forced to come to grips with their fatal shortcomings...but I hear Josiah managed to snag a record deal. Someone must have lost the amusement in using money to heat the furnace.