Early MSNBC Pundits Defend Spitzer, Lash Out at Prudish America

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In the 3 pm hour, in the first blush of the prostitution revelations against liberal Gov. Eliot Spitzer of New York, MSNBC’s experts quickly described the scandal as a nothing-burger. Alan Dershowitz attacked America for being a "pandering society and hypocritical society," since this wouldn’t even make the back pages of a newspaper in sophisticated Europe. "Big deal, married man goes to prostitute!" Dershowitz also blamed "men" (as a group) for thinking with their private parts. Tucker Carlson agreed with that line, and said that Spitzer is sleazy, but this is "one of the least sleazy things he’s done."

About 13 minutes into the hour, Contessa Brewer brought on Dershowitz for his reaction, explaining at one point that Dershowitz taught Spitzer at Harvard. He sounded quivering and emotional:

I have two reactions. One, I feel terrible for Eliot and his family. But I feel that this is a America-only story that we have to put in perspective. You know, big deal, married man goes to prostitute! In Europe, this wouldn't even make the back pages of the newspaper. It's a uniquely American story. We’re a uniquely, you know, pandering society and hypocritical society, when it comes to sex.

Brewer brought the charge back around: Alan, you have Eliot Spitzer himself back in 2004 when he busted a prostitution ring and he, he expressed disgust, he expressed revulsion.

Dershowitz: I know. And that's part of the cycle of hypocrisy that we live in.

They broke in for audio of Spitzer’s brief statement to the media.

Brewer also asked:

"How is it that someone – and you have called him brilliant. How does someone brilliant get caught in something like this?

Dershowitz: Well, because men don't use their brain when it comes to something like this. They think with a different part of their body, and that part of the body, the level of brains, there are no relationship to the level of brains in the skull, unfortunately. And when people think with that organ of the body, they make these kind of really, really terrible mistakes.

Then Dershowitz turned to attacking the media for overplaying the story:

Brewer: One more thing to ask you, Alan, you point out and rightly so that in other countries, there's a completely different view of having mistresses or visiting prostitutes, and even whether that activity is legal or illegal, but the fact of the matter is the people were arrested last week on charges of running this emperors club vip, their not only accused of prostitution, they're also accused of funneling profits and laundering money.

Dershowitz: Yeah, he has nothing to do with that. That's why I didn't approve of The New York Times headline, involved in prostitution ring. I mean, at worst, he's a john, he's a customer. And a customer can't be held responsible for whether or not the ring pays their taxes or launders money. I mean, let’s not take him beyond what his level of accountability is.

Tucker agreed with Dershowitz’s line about men being stupid:

You shouldn't be going to hookers on the road, whether you're working for the state of New York or anyone else. it's wrong. I'm not defending it. I will say Spitzer, the one thing people always said about him, he's abrasive, he's arrogant, he's annoying, he's power-mad, whatever, but he's smart. Not so smart to use your pager to communicate with a hooker! Again, to quote Alan Dershowitz, men are pretty dumb when it comes to stuff like that. It's kind of who they are. They're dumb.

If these men said something this crude in an overgeneralizing way against women, it would be seen as a sexist smear of the whole gender. In fact, Brewer ends up being the one to defend the notion of marital fidelity to women. Tucker also suggested Spitzer could stay in office, like Bill Clinton:

I would argue, if you're against Eliot Spitzer, and I think his public career has been shameful, this is not the way to get him. Spitzer's true sins, in my view, are the ones that he commits in public, crushing other people for the sake of his own political career, for instance, which has been the hallmark of his time in public life, not going to a hooker! That's no way to get, in my opinion, at your political enemies. And to see the press, a group that you know, frankly, has pretty unconventional personal lives, by and large, getting all high-handed about the fact that a grown man went to a prostitute is nauseating. [Laughs]

Brewer: Wait, wait, wait, not just a prostitute, not just he's a governor who went to a prostitute, but that he himself had busted prostitution rings, and when he did so, got up and made a big show of how angry he was.

Carlson, in full sneer: Okay, I’m sorry I didn’t get that news flash. I missed that. So he's a hypocrite unlike the rest of us. I mean -- Of course, of course he's a hypocrite! But the point is, that's not the problem with Eliot Spitzer. The problem with Eliot Spitzer is the way he hauled his political enemies into court abusing the power of the state, again, so he could become elected governor. I just think it’s a shame – and here I am defending someone I detest and disapprove of – but I think it’s a shame when we go into these spasms of self-righteousness, when we all beat our chests, and say, look at the bad guy, we're nothing like him, when in fact a lot of us are like him, frankly.

Brewer, with a dramatic pause: Really?

Carlson, suddenly protesting that might cut too close to home: I'm not! I’m just saying I don’t like, there's something, that I believe is unattractive about public displays of self-righteousness of this kind. And you're going to see it over the next 24 hours, analysts going on TV and saying, "That’s repulsive!" You know, where were they when Spitzer was crushing his enemies using public tax dollars and the threat of prison. They didn’t say anything about it. They cheered him on like some kind of Robin Hood, when in fact he's the opposite, and now just because he goes to a hooker, they're beating up on him.

Brewer: As I said, he said he was going in to clean up Albany, he said that it was ethics reform. Talk about unethical, he's got a wife he's been married to for more than 20 years and three daughters and the public trust

Carlson: I'm in no way defending Eliot Spitzer or defending adultery. I think Eliot Spitzer's a deeply sleazy person. I've always thought that and I’ve said that out loud for many years. I just think this is one of the least sleazy things he's done.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Watched it

Dershowitz was reaching when he was downplaying the situation. Same with James Clarabell.

Elliot Spitzer is the chief law enforcement official in NY State which is different than a senator or congressman who is elected to make laws.

Also Spitzer made an enormous issue out of integrity in office. Between his unethical behavior regarding State Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno (R) and now this the "Steamroller" just ran over himself.

 

Dershowitz

Dershowitz may have a point but it does not matter. This scandal is not about hypocrisy. It is about the merciless wielding of power to ruin others.  It is probable that these evernts are only a pretext for removing Spitzer from office.  So what.

A scandal like this would never have seen the light of day had it not been for the fact that Eliot Spitzer gravely offended members of both parties with his heavy hand.   The Wall Street Journal. editorial of March 11, 2008 makes the case far better than I could. A few factoids.

His words to a Republican politician in New York State upon becoming governor: "I'm a f***ing steamroller".  Next there was the use of the New York State Police to monitor the State Senate Majority leader.

Spitzer was aggressive and merciless. The print edition of todays' Wall Street Journal  reported: (it is missing from the online version).

In the case against Mr. Grasso, a lawyer working for Mr. Spitzer asked the former Big Board Chairman in a depostion whether he had any chidren with women who weren't married to him. (Mr. Grasso said he didn't). 

 

As Nixon said to David Frost: "I gave them the sword and they plunged it in"

Few politicians in New York State will miss him.

AIG and what the media DIDN'T cover...

It's intersting that Spitzer didn't indict Hank Greenburg & Greenburg didn't sue. It's also interesting that AIG, which is an insurance company, suddenly got out of the shorting-silver business right before the price for silver shot up bigtime. Were the 2 events related, and was the AIG attack and then non-indictment to cover for others? I'll never know. But I'll probably always suspect...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Hank Greenberg

Spitzer reportedly strong armed the board of AIG into firing Spitzer. The story is that he threatened to indict AIG if it did not remove Greenberg.

Spitzer is not in need of money. He comes from wealth. It was power he craved. I would be suprised if Hank Greenberg is among his supporters.

Oh, I'm sure Hank's celebrating

But if I'm right, the metal manipulators might make Elliot's dad look small time. AIG is an immense company, but one with no real relation to the precious metals business that I could see. This guy thinks AIG's silver actions might have to do with (wise) delivery demands by none other than China, and I think he may be right. I know he's been singlehandedly doing the news media's job on the story/scandal for years...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Why am I not surprised that MSNBC would come to his defense?

And they won't be the only ones.

The biggest problem I have here, aside from what his three daughters are going to go through thanks to his idiocy, is the rank hypocrisy of it all.

This man once prosecuted others for their involvment in prostitution. If he himself does not get sent to the slammer for his involvment in same, then every person he ever prosecuted for similar "crimes" should be given full pardons and have their records wiped clean.

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I'm surprised he didn't

I'm surprised he didn't choke up, declare himself an "addicted-American" and check himself into rehab....

Or sob about "I...have

Or sob about "I...have ...sinned..." and then move on.

:-D 

motherbelt,

If I were a defense lawyer who had a client sent to jail by Spitzer, especially if it were related to prostitution, I would not only be crying foul, I'd be screaming bloody murder right now.

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every person he ever prosecuted

That would be a valid point if there wasn't already the "do as I say not as I do" law on the books..it was written by the Steamroller,baby.. "Listen, I'm a f'ing steamroller, and I'll roll over you and anybody else,"

Sorry, couldn't resist  :)  That is a very valid point..

In the 3 pm hour

Tim, was this meant to be a play on the 3:00 phone call ad?

In the 3 pm hour 

Hilarious..they say trouble comes in 3's

 

Pam,

I am of the opinion that, when it comes to government, which singularly has the power to deprive us of our property, freedom, and in some cases our very lives, it should be held to a very high standard of behavior.

Spitzer was a representative of that very government, and worked to deprive others of the things previously mentioned. I think this has tainted every prosecution he has ever engaged in.

How do we know his prosecutions were fair? How do we know that some were not allowed to slide, and others were? Were some afforded a break, simply because they "played ball" with Spitzer?

If government prosecutors cannot, at the very least, be held to the same standards they apply to others, then how can they possibly maintain their moral authority to prosecute, and thus, stand in judgment of others?

I do not think the government should be allowed to skate on this. If their is any doubt to the validity of Spitzer's prosecutions, then those who have been affected negatively should receive the immediate benefit of the doubt.

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What a load of CR^P!! Do

What a load of CR^P!! Do these guys in the msm care how hypocritical/idiotic they sound? They don't care...

 

I am here in NY, and even here they are trying to keep the "D" secret or mentioned late in passing...

 

bull*&&*

If he resigns, I will be

If he resigns, I will be shocked...

Dems never resign.

Other Dems won't ask him to resign

The GOP is too spineless to demand a resignation

The msm will make this a quick story

The msm will soon bring up every GOP sin to help minimize

Will I be right?

 

 

 

REALLY?

Ask Jim McGreevy. Ask Bob Torecelli.

I don't recall the

I don't recall the particulars of McGreevy, but Torricelli only resigned because it was obvious that he was going to lose his bid for re-election, and they wanted to put a more viable candidate on the ticket, to save the Democratic seat.

Update at 2215:
The msm will soon bring up every GOP sin to help minimize
That wouldn't surprise me. Let's see how long it takes them to make this a "bipartisan" problem.

Don't forget about John Rowland

Here in CT-Stan--although his downfall was caused by bribes and kickbacks including a spa at his home in Litchfield and contracts with the Tomasso Group in New Britain.

 

But there was one politico who was taken down by sex scandal, Mayor Phil Giordano was convicted in 2002 of engaging in lewd acts with two women who were of Asian dissent. Giordano was the mayor of the city Rowland called his home and where Rowland is back in public circles after serving time in a Pennsylvania prison...Waterbury. The city, known as the brass city has had its image tarnished on one too many an ocassion.

Hugh Grant's sex with a prostitute was big news in Europe

Do they only care about actors who cheat? Wow - that's really weird. You would think if anyone would get a pass it would be actors not politicians.

Wow!! And women's groups

Wow!! And women's groups side with these fools. "So he went to a prostitute. So he commited adultery. So what. Everyone does it. Hell that is what women are for".

What a display MSNBC put on with this. Gloria Stienem and her ilk must be so proud of how far they have come.

Exactly! And another thing...

Did anyone get a load of Spitzer's wife, standing there next to him undoubtedly for "support" in this "difficult" time?? I am soooo sick of these wives allowing themselves to be trotted out in front of the cameras when their idiot husbands have gotten their a**es caught in a vise. McGreevey's wife did it, and Lord knows Hillary has made a career of it, and the list goes on. If I were Spitzer's wife I'd have told him to drop dead, and you can go out there in front of the cameras and swing from the neck alone. I'd also have a good divorce lawyer's number on speed dial. 

»→ Stunned silence

The lawyer thing may happen.  But she may not be ready to so drastically change her life and the lives of her daughters beyond where they already are.

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re:Stunned

You don't think what happened today is a drastic change in her life and the lives of her daughters?? If she stays, what kind of message is she giving her daughters?? "My husband and your father can do this unbelievably disgusting and disrespectful (not to mention illegal) thing, and humiliate us all in public, but I'm going to stay with him and forgive him and so should you." Nope...I'm betting it'll happen. I just think it's a matter of how quickly it'll happen. Time will tell.

»→ I agree, Prairie

What I meant by "beyond where they already are" was that she may not have gotten over the initial shock.  I certainly would be in her corner if she decided to take him to the cleaners.  Hillary would be a shoo-in if she'd done likewise.

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re:Cool Arrow...

Absolutely!!!

Cool

I doubt highly that she is in shock. He spent $5,000 on these hookers. Hell, if I spent .05 cents on a piece of gum, my wife would know.

re:Cool...

That's a good one!!! I love it!!!

I am soooo sick of these

I am soooo sick of these wives allowing themselves to be trotted out in
front of the cameras when their idiot husbands have gotten their a**es
caught in a vise.

Tell me about it! What is wrong with these women that they not only put up with this crap from their husband but they go out and humiliate themselves for them? What makes them think the guy needs "support" anyway? What he needs is a good swift kick....out the door.

I'm with you...there is no way I would be standing next to the creep, not even if he was going to claim to be an "addicted-American" and check himself into rehab....

True. Although there are

True. Although there are those who say she has to do that to preserve the family, shouldn't get divorced, etc.

re:bal...

I am never thrilled to see any family break up...But, there is not much of that family, with him in the picture, to be preserved. Spitzer saw to that as a result of his actions. Mrs. Spitzer and her girls will be better off, I think, without him. There are some things that are so egregious, that they outweigh whatever "benefits" may or may not come from staying together. I think this is one of those situations.

Absolutely, Prairie. I

Absolutely, Prairie. I wouldn't blame Mrs. Spitzer if she skipped town.

bal, deciding not to break

bal, deciding not to break up the marriage is one thing; every woman has to decide whether she wants to break up her family or not; humilating oneself by standing next to him in "support" is another thing entirely. The only reason to "support" him would be to make him a more sympathetic figure...and why should she do that for him? That's why I say it's a humiliation.

I told my husband there is no way in hell I would be doing that, unless I was slipping a shiv in his back....LOL

re:motherbelt...

LOL! We had a similar conversation in my house, too!!!

re:motherbelt...

DITTO!!!

Hey Alan, Klaus called. 

Hey Alan, Klaus called.  Sonny needs more insulin.  Could ya maybe...?

Not my fault---

I was only doing what I had to do to get this drivers license situation straightened out.

 

But Tucker...

It may be stupid, but this gets rid of the bum!! Plus it even leads to what I predict will be good comedy!!! Win win.
JMR

PS Has anyone else heard rumors Tucker may be fired?

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Comedy

You mean like Leno, Letterman? Wonder what, if anything, they're going to do with this?

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Not sure, but a republican

Not sure, but a republican will be the butt of the jokes somehow.

Yep..

Yep. We all know this was Bush's fault!

His defense will be that

His defense will be that Republicans in general and Bush in particular has caused him so much stress that he had to relieve his excess tension.

»→ Spitzer's defense

Maybe the "evidence" won't stand up in court.

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"If the glove don't fit, you

"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit".

Yep

Yes...he tried that medicine you put on your forehead, but that didn't ease the tension. He had only one other alternative, and he took it. ;+}

Letterman / Spitzer update

The just had a commercial for Letterman, and they actually mentioned "...and an Eliot Spitzer Top 10!" 

I'll watch this

I'm not a Letterman fan, but I think I'll stay up and watch tonight's top 10.

I'm thinking it would be comedy-malpractice

If both Stewart & Colbert can't hit this one a few times today along with Leno, Letterman & the rest. Maybe I'm a glutton, but I'd expect jokes from all this evening. At least, that's what I'm hoping for!
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

I heard Tucker's being

I heard Tucker's being replaced by David Gregory.

GREAT!

A pseudo-conservative being replaced by Pinko-Commie Gregory (no man worth his skin wears a PINK tie!!)

Eliot

Oh look, Eliot's wearing the "Emperor's Club" new clothes!!!!!

If this was a Republican

If this was a Republican then all hell would break loose.  I respect Dershowitz for many things but I disagree with him on a lot of things too.  This happens to be one of them; America is not "prudish" enough.   Sex has some horrible consequences when people do not have values.  From unwanted pregnancy to herpes to aids to infidelity etc.  Does Dershowitz think we should just go back to being "cave men"??  Oh, and "religion" has nothing to do with this so don't attack me for trying to throw religion around.  It has to do with decency.

To Alan as he ---

 To Alan as he ---tries to blame Americans and says Europeans do not care......

 

"John "Jack" Profumo, the high British official who is credited with ... He resigns from Parliament and government duties on June 5th, with "deep remorse." ...

Oh dear, Alan , how quickly we forget.

Blame someone else.

The retarded news services have already started 'but Foley was a republican'. I guess if someone else murders someone it's ok for each of us to murder someone. A stretch but in the same line.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Shooting themselves in the foot?

Sure Foley was a Republican. And he resigned! I'm kind of surprised they'd bring him up.

Dems can do no wrong, apparently

They sure are coming out of the woodwork to defend this as a "private" thing that has no affect on the Governor's job. Well, fine, if you can answer this question:

  • Have you ever seen anyone run on the platform "I go to $5,000 hookers illegally transported across state lines, therefore elect me"

This was a prostitution ring. That means he knew that this was illegal. And, he spent 10 years as a prosecuter. What's there to defend?

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Private vs public

Yep, they are back to using the Clinton defense..what a politician does in private has no effect whatsoever on his/her public life. This is the schizophrenic defense--a politician is really two people living in one body, i.e. listen to what I say, don't watch what I do. The centralized MSM accepts this defense only for Ds. When an R screws up, it's HANG 'EM!.

You know if this were a

You know if this were a Republican, the "privacy" thing wouldn't matter worth a damn....they would beat him bloody with the "hypocrisy" of campaigning as an anti-vice guy and then doing this.

How the hell do you defend

How the hell do you defend a prosecutor, a politician who made his chops busting prostitution rings, when he goes to a prostitute?

I mean, that should be too hypocritical for even Dershowitz and the MSM! You could cut the irony with a knife!

Really. You can't make this

Really. You can't make this stuff up.

(cue dramatic music) Some

(cue dramatic music)

Some day! Some day in this country married men will be able to go to the prostitute of their choice without fear of prosecution!

And I believe that one day married men in high-ranking political positions will be judged not by the content of their character, but by size of their hooker bill. 

Hey, bal, here's another

Hey, bal, here's another chance to trot out that "gem" about Larry Craig!

;^D

Spitzer needs to lose his

Spitzer needs to lose his job.  Otherwise, legalize prostitution because you can't have a governor that does not uphold the law.  

»→ Legalize Prostitution

And Governor Corzine next door can eliminate seatbelt laws.

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exactly!

If this was a Republican, then every left-leaning network (aka 99% of them), would be saying "Oh, what a hypocrite to the party of the American family."

When Gov. McGreevey had his scandal, only Fox News put that he was a Democrat in the headline.

When Jefferson? (the Congressman with freezer money) got caught, only Fox News mentioned he was a Democrat.

When Larry Craig was caught in the restroom stuff, EVERY NETWORK kept going on "Republican Larry Craig" blah blah blah..and they made sure (R) was in the headline.

Spitzer gets caught and only Fox News puts Democrat in the headline.

I hate this country.

No you don't

No, you don't hate this country.you hate the MSM!!!

You love this country but hate the media

I am in the same boat that I love this country and there is so much to love about it, but I hate the media and the way they unfairly tell "their version of the story" to the benefit of lying, cheating Dems and to the harm of Republicans. None of us is without sin, but only Fox News Channel makes an effort and is actually pretty good at being fair and balanced. Both sides of arguments are given equal time when they don't always deserve it, but they go out of their way to fairly provide the real stories from both sides. The rest of the media and that includes the Wall St. Journal at times, is unfair and very liberal.

Society's fault

"It's a uniquely american story. We’re a uniquely, you know, pandering society and hypocritical society, when it comes to sex."

Oh, I get it now. Spitzer's behavior was caused by our society, not his personal choices. Well, it's takes a village, I suppose.

 

 

I wonder if the Lt. Governor

I wonder if the Lt. Governor "turned a blind eye" to this saga.  Sorry...

 

http://www.reuters.c...

 

I suppose he could have still...

Gotten a feeling. Doubly sorry...
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

»→ #9

I don't think the Lt. Gov saw it coming.

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lol

lol

Well, the Guv's date could be the Lt.Gov's Cousin

With a name like Tameka, we know a lot about this Hooker Date.

I hope her middle name wasn't Hussein.. . . . . .

sarc,

Are you as troubled as I am that an obviously corrupt government official, who sent others to jail for this, may escape prosecution for the same thing?

It bothers me a lot.

I think that if he somehow skates on this, every non-violent person he ever sent away for anything related to prostitution should be released if still incarcerated, and all should recieve a full pardon.

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A full pardon??

Heck, I'd want that phone number.

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At this point

I'm just glad the legal system is getting rid of this guy for whatever reason, even if prostitution's not as big an issue for me as it may be for some. For me, the issue now is to screen the web for the best humor. On that note, I leave this offering from Scrappleface:

A spokesman from the prosecutor's office said, "Typically,
when a Democrat Governor comes to the nation's capital, he's
got his hat in hand and winds up leaving town with a bunch
of money. The fact that Spitzer brought money into the
District, gave it to a taxpayer, and left with less cash in
his pocket was a red flag for us."

Heh heh heh... I wonder if the girl was actually paying taxes? If so, that would be even funnier.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

sarc,

I wonder if the girl was actually paying taxes?

LOL-If the Fair Tax was in place she would be.

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What I want to know is how

What I want to know is how does a dog like Spitzer get to be Governor? You can't tell me he had a clean record up until now...once a dog always a dog! Yuk!

»→ Meanwhile Homeschooling

Meanwhile Glen Beck is kicking butt on the homeschooling story.

Spitzer is important, but this is bigger.

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WOW!  A simply stunning

WOW!  A simply stunning display of hypocracy from Liberals and the MSM. 

These same individuals/groups had absolutely no difficulty crucifying a Republican who engaged in sexual daliances because the Republican had espoused supporting law, ethics, morals, "family values" or some other Leftist kryptonite.  The rant of the day was always "Hypocracy".

With Spitzer, we have a Liberal who not only vowed to clean up corruption and punish the wrong-doer, we also have an avoricious zealot who covets political power and used his position of authority and the MSM to accomplish his gluttonous ambitions.  Attorney General Spitzer not only sought out MSM coverage of his prostitution busts (and other cases), he milked the MSM for all the publicity he could get in order to publicize himself.

Now that Spitzer has admitted to involvement with a prostitution ring, the same MSM and Liberals that extolled his previous "virtuous" prosecutions is closing ranks and providing cover and minimalizing of the story. Additionally, they are floating potential explanations to the public so that Spitzer can choose the one that works the best without going through the process of trial and error on his own.  It's as if the MSM is acting as publicist and defender for Spitzer.

The hypocracy of the Spitzer prostitution story is not only that Spitzer as a former AG of NY who zealously prosecuted prostitution cases and now as Governor of NY was involved with a prostitution ring, the hypocracy is also that the MSM and Liberals are offering excuses and cover to a man they revered for taking on law breakers of the identical crime(s).

A point not discussed so far, and one that is of more importance in my opinion,  is that Spitzer as an attorney, a former Attorney General, and now as the current Governor of NY should be held to a higher level of conduct/standard for infractions precisely because of his position of trust and his professional knowledge of law.  Just as physicians and police are held to a higher ethical/professional standard concerning crimes committed which go to the core of their respective professions, so should Spitzer's alledged crimes be treated since he is an attorney, former Attorney General and current Governor, in essence, the man most responsible for observing and maintaining Law in the state of New York.

 

RRAM Tough! 

"It's as if the MSM is

"It's as if the MSM is acting as publicist and defender for Spitzer."

You're surprised by that?

No. Please disregard the

No.

Please disregard the first three words of that sentence.

RRAM Tough! 

»→ Brain in neutral

I was OK with "simply stunning" until somebody else brought it up.

Yup, trim those words and you've got yourself a real statement.

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SHOCKED!

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that there is liberal MSM hypocrisy going on around here!

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Better add money Laundering, interstate Trans of hooker, etc

It isn't about casual Sex . . . a la Clinton . . . the whole thing is beyond just that. 

Although "that character" thing is certainly enough. . . since Spitzer is who he is, saying what he has said . . . even on 60 minutes, he is a SUPER hypocrite.

Big trouble

Methinks the issues you bring up are far more problematic for him than paying for some young lady's time. I've read the transcripts and the federal charges could be the end of this dude's professional life.

Few arguments are as empty

Few arguments are as empty as the "the Europeans think..."

The Europeans are currently morally adrift and incapable of taking on the challenge of Islamic extremism not only abroad but within their own borders. Hardly the acme of enlightened and correct thinking.

For Dershowitz, a strong supporter of Israel (as I am), to cite European opinion on matters when most Europeans view Israel as the chief cause of Middle East conflict is particularly absurd. All of a sudden the Europeans need to be listened to on ethical matters?

Few arguments are as empty


Few arguments are as empty as the "the Europeans think..."

Not only that, but I don't think there's a faster way to cause someone to tune out the rest of what one is going to say....

I know it tunes me out

I know it tunes me out right away.

More, it makes me think, "Well, THAT'S not the way to deal with it!"

Liar journalists at it again

If one of these democrat reporters had a spouse that gave them HIV from their activities with a prostitute, they might "get it", instead of trying to smooth things over for the politician of unnamed political affiliation.

 If they really didn't think it was a big deal, they wouldn't be hiding the D label.

»→ A zesty whine spitzer

This is nothing but a gift.  It's just nice to see Spitzer getting the boot for any reason.

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»→ Check out Noel Shepherd

Hey, our own Noel Shepherd is on Glen Beck right now.

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Just caught it in time to

Just caught it in time to see him sign off. Damn.

Noel could have told us mere peons he was going to be on.

LOL-But then, we ain't big-time TV stars like he is.  :-^)

Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!

»→ Shoulda' figured it RD

What with Mark admonishing us to clean up our acts and all.

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Kinda like China...

Cleaning up, teaching people to smile, hauling away cats. Mark wants us to be spiff and span while he goes on TV. But, what he doesn't know is...

When Mark's away, the "busters" will get away with all sorts or raucus behavior!

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Glenn's show repeats at 9pm

Glenn's show repeats at 9pm and midnight est.  There is still hope to catch Noel.

I turned on the repeat just

I turned on the repeat just in time to catch him....Noel, you handsome devil, you!

Nice performance!

Personally, I have no

Personally, I have no problem with prostitution. I think it should be legal.

But.....

It isn't legal, at least not in DC or NY. That's why what Spitzer did is a problem.

»→ Legalize it?

I think I'd have a problem with prostitution being a realistic legal job opportunity for my daughter.

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Stripping is legal. So is

Stripping is legal. So is being in porn. Are you worried about that, too?

»→ Somewhat, bal

Boxing is legal, should murder be legal?

I don't know if you equate stripping with whoring or not.  I see a difference.

And the porn thing.  I guess you've got a point.

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I don't know if prostitution

I don't know if prostitution should be legal or not, but I think it's odd that if it was, you're worried your daughter might suddenly consider it as a career path.

»→ good bal

Doesn't take much to bring you out does it.

I saw it coming, and expected you'd go there.

No surprise you stretched my post into your own corner of the world.

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"I think I'd have a problem

"I think I'd have a problem with prostitution being a realistic legal job opportunity for my daughter."

I agree. Nothing would make

I agree. Nothing would make me prouder than knowing my daughter has stage name that is also a make of car. She's just working her way through med school, right? At least that's they always told me. Ahem.

double.

double

"Ladies and gentlemen,

"Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, Yugo!"

Balboa’s daughter, Yugo!

Or how about: "Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, Balboa’s daughter, Yugo!"

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Too funny, Bal...

Hey bro, you reminded me of a website I saw a while back, pertaining to naming convention for your baby. When picking a name, see how it fits into the following two sentences:

1. "Presenting the next President of the United States, (blank blank)!"
2. "Performing live at the main stage of the Stripper Shack, (blank blank)!"

If sentence 2 is more accurate than sentence 1, it's back to the drawing board.

Do you really think it would take a law?

One would hope she'd just freely choose otherwise, if that's indeed the way you raised her, without the need for any expensive law to force the issue. And if that isn't the way you raised her, Nevada/Amsterdam/etc. do exist.
JMR

A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.

Dershowitz

Alan Dershowitz proves again that he is bereft of principles.

Can we puh-leeease stop with the relativism?  And in the case of some people - and I think that the Spitzer scandal will particularly bring this out - it is not so much of the moral  relativism variety, but of the amoral relativism variety.

Bad is bad.  Immoral is immoral.  When a man, a husband and a father stabs his family in the back, like Spitzer has, it is not necessary that he be the Governor of New York, the former two-term crusading New York Attorney General, etc., for him simply to be a creep and a low-life.

And, yes, Mr. Dershowitz, it does matter in this country.  I cannot speak for squalid (as you pain it) Europe, but here it does still matter. 

sean robins
www.seanrobins.com

Bad is bad. Immoral is


Bad is bad. Immoral is immoral. -
seanrobins

The problem, sean, is that in this country everyone is entitled to their own "code" and since everyone's code can be different from everyone else's, no one wants to make a judgment.

So instead of "bad" or "immoral" the only thing we are left with to make decisions on behavior, is what is "legal." So Spitzer didn't necessarily do anything bad or immoral, just "illegal." And that's how all the excuses and rationalizations get into the discussion. Because "legal" is decided by majority vote (as was mentioned in an earlier comment: stripping and pornorgraphy are both legal)..I guess if Spitzer were caught in either one of those, Dershowitz and his other defenders would be saying that he didn't do anything illegal..

I serioulsy doubt those

I serioulsy doubt those mutants at MSNBC would react quite the same way if a Republican did this.

They're nothing but party hacks on the payrole of the DNC.

Dershowitz is a real "genius". Against the law or not?

Yes, Alan, no one cares that he went to a hooker. They care that the man sworn to uphold the law broke it. (Like the Clinton thing...perjury, no one cared that BJ clinton used Monica as a plumber)

So if you don't like the law (in case Alan forgot) we have this thing called a legislature. The law can be changed. Or , if the Mrs. isn't taking care of little Elliot, he could have gone to Vegas where it is LEGAL.

And finally, many Americans do care about morality, don't knock America, be proud of how many of us aren't hedonists like Europe...though you libs are trying to get us to "catch up". Sounds like Alan is just trying to justify his own low morals & lack of belief in a Higher Power actually caring what we do with our bodies.

 

 

MSNBC = Spitzer = Vermin

MSNBC = Spitzer = Vermin