On Wednesday’s episode of Live With Dan Abrams on MSNBC, Abrams lit into Rush Limbaugh as "un-American" for encouraging Republican voters to cross over and vote for Hillary Clinton on Tuesday. In his "Beat the Press" segment, Abrams attacked Limbaugh mocking him for a segment on Monday night’s Abrams show on Limbaugh’s "Far Right Dirty Tricks." On Wednesday, Abrams associated Rush with the "radical right" and attempted to describe a Limbaugh radio show snippet:
He was upset that I said he was perverting the process by encouraging Republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton in open primaries in an effort to quote, "bloody up" Obama....When you encourage someone to vote for a candidate that they don't want as president, I believe it is actually un-American, and they are willing to increase the chances of what they consider to be a bad candidate winning in the hope they may slightly increase their candidate's chances? It is shameful.
From Rush's website, here’s how Limbaugh addressed Abrams:
ABRAMS (clip from Monday): Rush Limbaugh and others on the far right, now trying to pervert tomorrow's results, calling on Republicans in Ohio and Texas to vote in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton -- not because they like Clinton, but because they want to keep the Democrats in disarray.
RUSH: Perverting the Democrat process? What did you guys do to our process? All you Democrats and independents crossing over, not only in 2000, but here in 2008, nominating and voting for Senator McCain. What, you guys are going to vote for McCain in November? You think we don't understand what you were doing here? You're trying to choose our nominee, why can't we try to choose yours?
Limbaugh's clip was a promo for the Monday segment. Abrams began the actual segment by suggesting conservatives were out to damage the democratic process:
The right-wing media’s hatched a new plan to damage not just the Democratic party but perhaps the democratic process. Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh now urging Republicans in the open primary states of Ohio and Texas tomorrow to cross party lines and vote for Hillary Clinton. Rush and his cohorts want to keep the Democratic primary going as long as possible so Obama will be quote, bloodied up politically, and presumably Clinton as well.
The Abrams guests were Democratic strategist Laura Schwartz and conservative talker Lars Larson, who quickly took issue with Abrams putting conservatives on the extremes:
LARS LARSON: Why is it that Rush and I end up being the far right? Does that make Obama the far left?
ABRAMS. No. Because -- I'm not going to debate with you that now. For you to question whether Rush Limbaugh is on the far right is laughable.
LARSON: Rush and I are reasonable Republicans.
ABRAMS, with a sneer: Oh yeah. All right. Okay.
LARSON: We are reasonably conservative.
What's really amazing in these transcripts is that Dan Abrams considers Keith Olbermann a model TV anchorman, but Rush Limbaugh is the "radical right."
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center
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Dan is right - it is
March 6, 2008 - 17:12 ET by TruthMongerDan is right - it is completely un-American to behave just like Democrats...
shame on rush - momentary lapse of reason
Typical behavior from
March 6, 2008 - 17:42 ET by dscottTypical behavior from libs, they whine when someone else does what they do and get a taste of their own nasty medicine.
So Mr. Abrams, why whine about it, why not encourage all the States to have closed primaries? Ahhh, but that's the point, if we solve the problem you won't have a problem to whine about.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
It's Not Just About Not Having Anything To Whine About.
March 6, 2008 - 18:10 ET by Wildcatter1980It's also about the far left wingnut loons losing the ability to "cross over" and hurt the opposition.
You see. They believe they are the only ones "smart" enough to do the right thing when "crossing over." Why? Because they believe that anyone who does not think like them and believe the same as they do are only "mind-numb robots" who just can't think for themselves. What they don't realize is that it is they who are the "mind-numb robots." It is only they who walk in lock-step and cannot tolerate it when someone dares to oppose them.
Just my $0.02
Don't Like Crossovers? Have Self-Funded Party Elections.
March 7, 2008 - 03:08 ET by zeestephenNo one seems to understand the obvious.
The only reason people can crossover is because most Primary Elections are paid for with tax dollars.
Public funding means that ALL registered voters are entitled to vote for someone.
Some states narrow that to just the Party you are registered for. But, most states allow you to "declare" your party at the time you vote.
Even many Party Caucus events are not strictly enforced for Party or state voter registration.
By holding private mail-in ballot elections, or, better yet, Internet based elections, the GOP could give EVERY registered Republican in the USA a chance to vote, and completely exclude Democrats and Independents.
Cost? Less than $75 million, as long as voters use their own stamp.
Of course, McCain-Feingold probably makes this illegal.
It's possible McCain-Feingold does make it illegal...
March 7, 2008 - 08:19 ET by sarcasmoBut it's also been proven quite possible to go-around the McCain Feingold censorship law.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
The Dems got their GOP
March 7, 2008 - 10:49 ET by mattmThe Dems got their GOP candidate, it's only fair that the Reps get theirs....too bad neither of the Dem candidates is actually palatable...(or qualified)
You must be a carpenter TruthMonger
March 6, 2008 - 18:51 ET by EvilCon555EvilCon555
Cause ya hit the nail on the head!!! Nice, nice, nice, nice....
"All great change in America begins at the dinner table" Ronald Reagan, Jan 21, 1981
thanks - my boss is a
March 6, 2008 - 21:11 ET by TruthMongerthanks - my boss is a Jewish carpenter:)
i owe it all to him
TruthMonger
March 7, 2008 - 08:09 ET by namronI would encourage you to do some research and look at what the foundering fathers did in the time of Adams and Jefferson. I've been reading Adams vs. Jefferson By John Ferling. You might be surprised about what you find. The founding fathers often did exactly what happened in this primary. The vote for candidates they didn't like in order to block candidates they hated. Nothing new here.
Dan Who?
March 6, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Santino CorleoneI bet Dan really stoked up the 5 people in his viewing audience with this. Well..3 if we don't count the cameraman and director.
I can't decide...
March 6, 2008 - 18:02 ET by heldmywDoesn't Dan look like the love-child of Dennis Kucinich and Pee-Wee Herman?
And just what do you
March 6, 2008 - 18:28 ET by FastEdhave against both those fine gentlemen??
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Well, they have the
March 6, 2008 - 17:23 ET by motherbeltLARS LARSON: Why is it that Rush and I end up being the far right? Does that make Obama the far left?
ABRAMS. No. Because -- I'm not going to debate with you that now.
For you to question whether Rush Limbaugh is on the far right is
laughable.
Well, they have the political landscape down perfectly. Obama is NOT far-left. That's on the liberal MSM line, where there IS no left,-- only centrists and right-wing extremists.
Larson should have kept pushing and made Abrams explain just why Obama is not on the far left. I would love to hear how Abrams can classify the #1 Liberal in the Senate as a "centrist."
motherbelt - Abrams..
March 6, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Gary Hallmotherbelt - Abrams.. does not have an answer to the question -- that's why he stopped cold - he understands there are no words to be found.
It is very interesting that
March 6, 2008 - 17:56 ET by futbolisgreat1It is very interesting that Abrams started to respond to Lars Larson, but stopped himself.
It is obvious that Abrams had no respond to his assertion that Limbaugh is far right, but Obama is not far left.
Abrams is an idiot along with the 99% of the morons that work at MSNBC. There is a reason why no one watches them.
I am sure Abrams would have defended with his life Keith Ogerman and Chrissy Matthews if anyone dared call them far-left...which they are.
Abrams is an idiot...and aren't we constantly told by far-left people like Abrams that Rush Limbaugh is irrelevant? why bring up his name all the time?
and Rush Limbaugh brought up a good point....Democrats constantly cross over and vote for people on the Republican side that they wish to run against. The difference is that it has rarely if ever worked for the Demoncrats. even Hellary winning in Texas and Ohio-I am unsure whether Republicans crossing over helped her win.
Regardless, amazing that Abrams would take issue with calling Obama far left and with Limbaugh asking people to vote for Hillary.
Since when does Abram get to decide which speech is Un-American?
haven't we been told by far left fools like Abrams that calling left wing speech against the war and against President Bush unpatriotic and unAmerican is wrong?
Typical, the left wingers love to call the people they disagree with unAmerican and unpatriotic, but God help any Conservative or Republican that comes even close to calling a Liberal/Democrat unAmerican and unpatriotic....
geez these people make me sick!
When the view of the
March 6, 2008 - 18:34 ET by FastEdmedia is so far to the left, it just seems that anyone to the right of that view HAS to become a "far" right, so if BHO and hillbilly are considered "centrists", even McCain can 'appear' a rightist - those of the media who think this way can be considered to have a vision problem, maybe gaucheoptia (left looking)
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
"I'm not going to debate with you that now."
March 7, 2008 - 18:00 ET by Indiana JoeThis is merely code for someone who is on the losing end of a debate.
Translation: "You're right, I'm dead wrong, but I can't admit that, least of all to myself."
Right on the ballot (in my
March 6, 2008 - 17:23 ET by goldbarRight on the ballot (in my state) it plainly says "Under Penalty of Perjury". Last I looked, perjury is a CRIME. So Rush advocated for all his listeners in Ohio and Texas to break the law it sounds like to me.
Let me guess...
March 6, 2008 - 17:31 ET by sarcasmoYou're not a lawyer...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
sarc,
March 6, 2008 - 17:35 ET by R D HelmLOL-You know, if they were to throw cross over voters in jail here in Georgia, most of the dems I know would be in the slammer.
It has been a time-honored democrat tradition here in Georgia for decades.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
goldbar, in Texas
March 6, 2008 - 17:36 ET by bassndudegoldbar, in Texas Republicans can vote in Dem primarys, and vise versa. So, in your state, when it says "Under Penalty of Perjury", whats it say above it and/or below it?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bass,
March 6, 2008 - 17:39 ET by R D HelmLOL-I think goldy has perjured himself.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
LOL R D. I have told him
March 6, 2008 - 17:47 ET by bassndudeLOL R D. I have told him before he should change that name to lead bar. Hes to dull for gold.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Maybe he's
March 6, 2008 - 18:14 ET by FastEdiron pyrite!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
No Ed, still to much shine.
March 6, 2008 - 18:18 ET by bassndudeNo Ed, still to much shine. lol
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I was shooting for the
March 6, 2008 - 18:25 ET by FastEd"fools" part, but maybe he can then be called; Rusty Pyrite!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
FoolsGold would suit him
March 6, 2008 - 18:37 ET by Clear thinkerFoolsGold would suit him perfectly!
"Abstain from McCain"
Seconded!
March 7, 2008 - 18:03 ET by Indiana JoeSeconded!
I believe the only thing
March 6, 2008 - 18:05 ET by motherbeltI believe the only thing you're swearing to "under penalty of perjury" is that you are legally entitled to vote; not that you are a Democrat or Republican.
delete double
March 6, 2008 - 18:13 ET by motherbeltdelete double
And athe stae you live in is
March 6, 2008 - 18:15 ET by FastEddenile?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Bet he is a 17 year old.
March 6, 2008 - 18:22 ET by bassndudeBet he is a 17 year old. Cant vote yet. Our ballots dont say that. But they only let us vote once.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Since when have voting laws
March 6, 2008 - 18:40 ET by futbolisgreat1Since when have voting laws prevented Democrats from breaking them?
C'mon, I have always said it, Democrats in Chicago are so loyal to the party, are such great patriots that they vote from their grave and not only once, but two and three times for the same person on the same day. Of course in different presincts. :)
Vote early Vote
March 7, 2008 - 01:09 ET by red_dragon311Vote early Vote often
Chicago voting regulations
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
In Philly too
March 7, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Tom PaineAnd there are Democrat precincts in Philadelphia (I guess that’s redundant) that regularly have 100% turnout. The republicans won’t post observers there because they are afraid of the preemptive charges of racism
Laughing at y our logic...
March 7, 2008 - 07:52 ET by NavyBuckeyeThis I guess in a far far away land in a round about way could be considered perjury...but....
Most states allow you to declare right before you vote in primary elections. So try to prove that someone is commiting perjury at that moment. It would be like trying to get Keith Olberman to admit he is far left.
“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter” - Thomas Jefferson
Navy, I wish someone would
March 7, 2008 - 09:41 ET by motherbeltNavy, I wish someone would post what the card actually says that you sign before you vote in these situations....
I'm thinking that what you are attesting to when you sign the card is that you are legally eligible to vote, not that you are registered with one party or the other.
If the card says something like I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I am a registered Democrat then yes, I guess it would be a lie. But they have known for years that people "cross-over" and nothings ever been done to forbid it...as far as I know...
Break the law? You've taken
March 8, 2008 - 22:52 ET by ConservativeRexBreak the law? You've taken leave of your senses. Last I checked partner, you can vote for anyone you damn well please. Now maybe in your vision of your wacked out world we have to vote like YOU want us to, but until then, increase your meds and stay out of my damn business.
Oh, I get it. When
March 6, 2008 - 17:23 ET by R D HelmOh, I get it. When democrats cross over and vote for RINOs like McCain in primaries, that is good for America, but when republicans cross over and vote for Hillary or Obama in primaries, it is bad for America.
Yeah, makes perfect sense to me.
Gotta love that liberal logic. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Why? it was so much fun ..
March 6, 2008 - 17:25 ET by 10ksnookerWhen all those crossover voting Democrats in the small states were perverting the process, voting for McCain. Payback is a bitch, Democrats always forget that part.
I thought
March 7, 2008 - 13:33 ET by Tom Painethe bitch is on the ballot
Dan who?
March 6, 2008 - 17:37 ET by YahooWatcherIs he related to that global warming alarmist Stephanie Abrams on The Weather Channel?
edit - Meant as reply to Santino. Santino: 5 people, 3 without camera and director? Hillarious. That made my day.
Need to get outside more Dan.
March 6, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Dave in Texas"When you encourage someone to vote for a candidate that they don't want as president, I believe it is actually un-American ..."
Dan, in case you haven't noticed, the number of people encouraging other people to vote for a candidate that they don't want as president probably numbers in the tens of millions. Tuesday evening I had messages on my answering machine from both Barack and Michelle Obama encouraging me to vote for someone I didn't want as president. Guess who it was.
I don't consider it un-American though. It's just part of the democratic political process, which is about as American as you can get.
If they don't want us
March 6, 2008 - 17:37 ET by wiwfIf they don't want us crossing over, they'd have a closed poll primary!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
But I thought Rush was
March 6, 2008 - 17:36 ET by MrSnugglesBut I thought Rush was "irrelevent".
No Contest
March 7, 2008 - 13:34 ET by Tom PaineI'd like to see the moveon.org and Daily Kook types rally that kind of action.
Dan Abrams is such an
March 6, 2008 - 17:46 ET by fitzfongDan Abrams is such an irrelevant douche. The guy actually had to fire himself because his ratings were so pathetic. Now he figures that he can make a name for himself by picking fights with Rush Limbaugh. If Limbaugh didn't play Abrams' clips on the radio, nobody would have heard them. Abrams is going to find out to his great sorrow that having your soundbytes played on the Rush Limbaugh program is not going to translate to bigger audiences on his television network...especially when Limbaugh is off for the rest of the week.
Pathetic, isn't it, that
March 6, 2008 - 18:00 ET by Chris NormanPathetic, isn't it, that MSNBC tries to piggyback onto successful broadcasters - Fox, Rush, etc. - by picking fights with them in a hopeless attempt to lift their cellar ratings. I guess it's not surprising, considering they have nothing positive of their own to offer.
Chris what is pathetic is
March 6, 2008 - 18:05 ET by bigtimerChris what is pathetic is this is the only way the leftists have ever known to compete...slash and burn, do they never learn?
". . do they never learn?" . .
March 6, 2008 - 18:22 ET by FastEdas demolibs don't have the cranial capacity, the question is moot.
What Dan forgets, is the push by the msm(Lsm) to make sure McCain got the nod - how "un-american" was that, voting by the loser media?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
BT, The thing is, like
March 6, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Chris NormanBT,
The thing is, like someone else pointed out yesterday, is that Rush just laughs at these losers railing against him and gnashing their teeth.
Tim Graham.... THANK
March 6, 2008 - 17:49 ET by bigtimerTim Graham....
THANK YOU!
Believe it or not I heard the Abrams BS when he was spewing his blather about Rush and whining boo-hoo, I was laughing and angry at the same time, he knows darn good and well what the dems have done to our side of the aisle with their cross over votes, adn Rush put it exactly right, they gave us McCain along with the msm.
His crocodile tears are so phony...as phony as he is as a supposed commentator...(I rarely if ever catch his show but I did that part that night with Lars and the whole shebang)
Abrams really is a pathetic excuse for anything on msnbc...along with Kieth....as far as I am concerned if either one of them looked in the mirror they both are the perfect definition of UN-American.
Hey, Abrams, I voted for
March 6, 2008 - 17:54 ET by marpelHey, Abrams, I voted for Hillary BEFORE Rush encouraged us to cross over. NOW WHAT? Whatcha gonna do about it. That's why Texans carry guns.
Tim. Was fine with the MSM in Pres. elections
March 6, 2008 - 17:56 ET by Gary HallAbrams is upset over this - in a primary? What about the national presidential election process?
I don't seem to recall the media getting upset when the lefties organized national web based schemes to swap votes from one state for antother in order to boost the total votes cast for Nader, without endangering the electorial votes Gore needed to obtain.
This also was going on in the 2004 campaign cycle. Here's a good read, Group Pushes Kerry-Nader Vote Swap, from the Washington Post:
I'm surprised the Washington Post is not listed as a founder of the group.
Here's the referenced site: Uniting Progressives through Strategic Voting
It's only bad if it pisses off the Democrats and the liberal MSM - otherwise, must be OK.
The beauty of it
March 6, 2008 - 18:00 ET by QueenMumWhat we have is American citizens playing politics with the politicians. Don't ya love it?
I am Queen Mum and I approved this message.
Un-American
March 6, 2008 - 18:05 ET by WR JonasAbrams definition of what is un-American is so far removed from what the average American thinks treasonous -traitorous behavior is ,he might as well be from Mars.
When I see American Democrats in foreign countries subverting our President or kissing up to our enemies I think thats un-American . When I see The New York Times publishing secrets to dis-credit our country and to sabotage the administration efforts to fight terrorism, I think thats un-American . I would put my definition up against his in a Sacramento second and I have no doubt who would come up on top.
Dan Abrams is
March 6, 2008 - 18:39 ET by Clear thinkerDan Abrams is un-American!
What an idiot.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct... BINGO! Plus he really
March 6, 2008 - 18:46 ET by bigtimerCt... BINGO! Plus he really over-acts with a vengeance on his show, not quite sure who he is trying to ape, maybe O'Reilly...if I were him I would be embarrassed. Oops forgot, leftists don't know what that word means.
bt... I wonder if little
March 6, 2008 - 18:55 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I wonder if little Danny feels the same way about Dems that do the same thing.
Like I said, what an idiot!
"Abstain from McCain"
Ct.. Of course he doesn't
March 6, 2008 - 18:58 ET by bigtimerCt..
Of course he doesn't feel the same about it when the dems do it...I think I posted that above somewhere...I'm lol now.
»→ Dirty tricks
March 6, 2008 - 18:45 ET by Cool ArrowI thought the purpose of voting was to get what you want.
Every time you vote for something, you vote against something else. And for my vote, that Obama guy is definitely something else.
♣ a seal
Rush is un-American?
March 6, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Charles B. Simpson"Rush runs America" is a tee-shirt that Rush gives all us Ditto-heads to wear. It is all in jest, but El-Rushbo is an American icon! Hillary Clinton thanked Rush herself on FOX morning news yesterday. Rush Limbaugh is what is good about America.
Rush Limbaugh is what is
March 6, 2008 - 20:55 ET by balboaRush Limbaugh is what is good about America.
Let's not go overboard...
I'm new to this discussion. Rush asked Republicans to vote for Clinton? I'm confused.
»→ Why bal
March 6, 2008 - 21:05 ET by Cool ArrowWhy is it confusing that people voted for Hillary?
I'm not bound by party affiliation in my State.
♣ a seal
You'd think with all the
March 6, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Scout FinchYou'd think with all the whining about Joe McCarthy, the Democrats would shy away from the term "Un-American".
Yet, it's the liberals who
March 6, 2008 - 19:12 ET by Chris NormanYet, it's the liberals who keep using these kind of descriptions - like Norman Lear's "People for the American Way". Seems they want to be the ones to decide on what's "American" and isn't. Yet, like their usual paranoid selves, they falsely accuse conservatives of using this term against them. I think they know, deep down...
it is shameful
March 6, 2008 - 19:07 ET by WesenIt is shameful that Rush's lemmings listened to this advice and it is shameful it was ever given. Rush needs a long vacation. He has mastered his craft now he's making fun of it. Some legacy.
And the proof
March 6, 2008 - 19:12 ET by FastEdfor this acusation can be found . . .
And I'll bet he was just waiting for your advice.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
wesen is at it again with
March 6, 2008 - 19:18 ET by bigtimerwesen is at it again with his snarky remarks...he can't help himself.
This "wesen" person has
March 6, 2008 - 19:20 ET by Chris NormanThis "wesen" person has been here before? Huh. Why?
Chris... LOL. Busy
March 6, 2008 - 19:22 ET by bigtimerChris...
LOL.
Busy little bee he/she is at times.
It's shameful Kos and his lemmings.....
March 6, 2008 - 19:47 ET by mastersofdeceitIt's shameful Kos and his lemmings.....
http://www.dailykos....
http://www.dailykos....
Wesen you are a fool.
March 6, 2008 - 20:55 ET by mostlymoderateWesen you are a fool. Lemmings? Define Lemmings. Rush Limbaugh makes sense when nobody else does so we usually have no difficulty in agreeing with him. THAT is not a lemming.
rush to judgement
March 6, 2008 - 22:05 ET by WesenRush is passe. It will take time for his followers to figure it out. I understand this puts your world in a twitter but maybe your parents will let you stay out late tonight to enjoy the fellowship of those thus afflicted.
Ironcially,
March 7, 2008 - 08:10 ET by NavyBuckeyeyou try to come off as an intellectual. Yet you never argue a point, rather you verbally attack people with insults.
“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter” - Thomas Jefferson
You remind me of Yogi Berra
March 7, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Tom PaineWhen asked by a reporter if he ever ate at a popular New York restaurant, Yogi said "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded."
So, like, you're saying
March 7, 2008 - 14:04 ET by fitzfongSo, like, you're saying we're, like, lemmings? And, that, like, you're, like, one of the cool kids because you think Rush is so, like...over? And, like, if we, like, joined you and the cool kids who know that Rush is, like, so...yesterday...that we'll be part of your, like, clique? And we'll, like, get to use, like, hot new words like "passe"? And, so, like, you're not, like, a lemming?
Physician, heal thyself.
Rush
March 6, 2008 - 22:03 ET by Emma GrumpPerhaps Rush had no effect at all, and those folks would have voted for HRC anyway. In any case, the chaos and confusion going on right now in the Dem camps is pure comedy. Harold Dean looks like he's working up one of those famous screams. I can hardly wait to see what happens next.
Abrams is a joke
March 6, 2008 - 19:53 ET by ThalpyAbrams is a joke by whatever criteria you choose to use, but then, who among them isn't?
Betcha Dan Abrams and
March 6, 2008 - 20:25 ET by drillanwrBetcha Dan Abrams and everyone else griping about this WOULDN'T have any problems with republicans crossing-over to vote for the democrat in November ...
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
I don't consider Rush
March 6, 2008 - 20:51 ET by mostlymoderateI don't consider Rush Limbaugh the "far right". I don't even know if there is a plausible way to define "far right".
Unbalanced reporting is un-American
March 6, 2008 - 21:31 ET by nkviking75To me it's more un-American for the media to try to influence the election with trumped scandals, premature talk of recession (we may be in one, but it's too soon to say), war coverage that plays up the bad and ignores the good, one-sided environmental news, and ignoring the failures and malfeasance of one party. Of course Republicans have their flaws and they should be covered. It's just that the media refuses to tell the whole story in order to shape opinion and voter behavior.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Abrams is out of touch with the
March 6, 2008 - 21:53 ET by DelsaAbrams is out of touch with the democrat party who calls indpendant, and republican house holds attempting to get them to cross over and vote for democrats.
My husband is a democrat (who would only vote for a conservative democrat) and he voted for Obama in the dem primary.
This happens all the time and Abrams should know better!
He just wants to bash Rush.
I'd pay to see Rush kick
March 6, 2008 - 22:02 ET by ConservativeRexI'd pay to see Rush kick Abrams ass.
Help me out here. Rush says
March 6, 2008 - 22:07 ET by balboaHelp me out here.
Rush says "What did you guys do to our process? All you Democrats and independents crossing over, not only in 2000, but here in 2008, nominating and voting for Senator McCain."
What is he referring to? Is it common knowledge that Democrats crossed over in previous primaries?
Very Common
March 6, 2008 - 23:00 ET by CGattonIt's quite common in any state that has an open primary. Wisconsin democrats are noted for it. I don't think the Republicans have had a chance to whack them back with the same tactic since 1976. Usually they have their one little candidate, and, at least here, bounce to the Republican side of the ballot and vote for the most unelectable guy there.
This is just another reason all primaries should be closed, on the same day, and why you should have to be a card carrying, dues paying member to vote in a primary. Lest we hear the Independents whine that they wouldn't have any say in the final two candidates for the general election...oh well....get off the fence.
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Actually sounds like your whineing
March 7, 2008 - 10:02 ET by well99I do agree that they should have a system set up where there are no cross overs and only people from that party can vote.They dont have it though.I dont vote in primaries because I am a independent.It is up to the two parties to straighten that out... the mess of the other party voting in their primaries.So get with it.
Yeah, this one's going into
March 6, 2008 - 22:47 ET by CortillaenYeah, this one's going into the "Massive Hypocrisy" file. As if "crossover", non-Republican votes didn't have anything to do with McCain's miraculous resurgence...
Methinks I need to get to work developing some new superweapon for the military just for the chance to accidentally test it on MSNBC's headquarters. Anyone coming with?
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