Brokaw: Limbaugh's Hurting GOP As Voters Reject Reagan 'Dogma'

Photo of Tim Graham.
By Tim Graham | January 21, 2008 - 12:38 ET

Former NBC anchor Tom Brokaw dismissed Rush Limbaugh as wrong-headed on Sunday’s Meet the Press. Not only did Brokaw pound the narrative that Reaganism is dead or dying within the Republican party, with a "nomadic herd" of voters "rejecting dogma," but he said Limbaugh trying to debate which candidate is truly conservative "is not going to help the Republican party." As if Tom Brokaw was really interested in that goal. He said the country is "hungry for solutions," as if "solutions" and "conservatism" were antonyms.

Brokaw tried to claim the "nomadic" search for the non-dogmatic is "going on in the Democratic Party as well as the Republican Party." Where on Earth would he get evidence for that? As Clinton, Obama, and Edwards all lurch left to secure the MoveOn/Daily Kos vote, they’re rejecting "dogma"? Here’s the exchange from a pundit’s-roundtable segment of the NBC Sunday chatfest:

Story Continues Below Ad ↓

TOM BROKAW: Well, I think, I think if there's a big thematic issue here in this election, it's the end of dogma, which has dominated so much of our politics in the last--well, since 1980, really. And people are rejecting dogma. As I see it, there's this kind of nomadic herd of voters out there wandering the landscape, looking for solutions, looking for a water hole, if you will, in which they can kind of resupply themselves and find solutions to the issues that really trouble them. It's going on in the Democratic Party as well as the Republican Party. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh for an hour yesterday, who is determined to not have this campaign, as he put it, redefine conservatism. And one of the ditto heads, one of his followers, called and...

JON MEACHAM: Ditto heads.

BROKAW: ...said, "Well, help me out here. What do I think now about Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich?" And it's one of the few times I've ever heard Newt--ever heard Rush Limbaugh kind of temporarily at a loss for words. And he ended up saying that they're not true conservatives. And that debate is not going to help the Republican Party, if they if they get bogged down in that. The country is hungry for solutions...

MS. GOODWIN: Yeah. This is the mess the Democrats have got themselves into.

MR. BROKAW: ...and hungry for authenticity, and hungry for tone.

Peggy Noonan, a leading promoter of Reagan and his legacy, sat at the same table, but only very gently disagreed.

I would agree, except I would add this. The, the country is hungry for sense in its leaders that they have thought it through, that they have a philosophy, that they've considered the relationship of man and of the state, and considered the moment of history we're in, that philosophically, they are coherent. That matters, too...But I understand what you're saying about dogma, which is mere ideology, which is merely uninteresting. Philosophy's interesting, though, and counts, I think evermore this year.

UPDATE: Limbaugh played the Brokaw and Noonan clips on his show Monday, and replied:

I just love these liberals trying to tell us what we need to do to solve the country’s problems...How shallow does he come off here? I lsten to bites like this. I know he’s liberal. None of these guys want conservatives to triumph. But they make no effort to understand what drives conservatives or understand why these battles take place.

Limbaugh also noted that the American people don't just want "solutions" without an ideology. He made fun of Hillary's proclamation that she would ban mortgage foreclosures for 90 days. That's a "solution" to some consumers. But does it make any sense? Limbaugh suggested that the people should want solutions within a philosophical framework.

PS: When National Public Radio combats the notion that it's a wine-and-vegan-cheese liberal media outlet, it's probably not a good idea for NPR anchor Michele Norris to talk up Mike Huckabee with this patronizing tone:

He's a guy who has sort of--you know, people called him, frankly, a country bumpkin. Mike Huckabee. Well, think about America. For most people in America, a Friday night, a sort of fancy Friday night, is going to a place called Applebee's.

"A place called Applebee's," as if Norris has only heard this from certain political strategists, not that she'd get caught dead in one. She should have added that some Huckabee voters set foot "in a place called K-Mart."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center

Comments Policy

All comments are owned by whoever posted them and are subject to our terms of use. They should not be assumed to represent the views of NewsBusters.

Viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Yeah, we should listen to

Yeah, we should listen and pay heed to Brokaw. He has only the best interests of Republicans in mind.

So does our "Non-bias" media

So does our "Non-bias" media. Sorry to say I probably will not vote for anybody they find praise in.

Flaming liberal, this guy

Isn't this SOP where some liberal says "the GOP this" and "the GOP that"? Liken that to the radio talk show caller who says (just before an election): "I have ALWAYS voted Republican but because x is so bad, I will vote Democrat in THIS election!". Yeah, right, you were always a Republican, sure.

This is a tactic of a anarchist.

lol

Yes Tom, everything you beleive is not dogma and everything youre against is! It makes perfect sense!

Unbelievable.

It is speech such as this that motivates me no end. I will see a Republican President, Congress and Conservative judges on the Supreme Court.  

Thanks for the motivation! 

The left can thank Brokaw et al., when they get through gasping in horror and demanding recounts.

"For most people in America, a Friday night, a sort of fancy Friday night, is going to a place called Applebee's."

The condescending arrogance of NPR, the colossal, self-important twerps like Brokaw and the entire MSM is incredible.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams; "When the revolution comes they will be the first ones up against the wall".

The lawyers will be second.

Liberal "logic"

The "liberal" syllogism goes-- A. conservative dogma is wrong

                                            B. Limbaugh touts conservative

                                                 dogma

                                              C. Limbaugh is wrong

False conclusion base on a false premise.

My syllogism goes--        A. "Liberalism" is assinine

                                     B. Brokaw is an ignorant "liberal"

                                      C. Brokaw is an ignorant ass!

Quite logical.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

"For most people in America,

"For most people in America, a Friday night, a sort of fancy Friday night, is going to a place called Applebee's."

and, obviously, don't listen to the pompous, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual crap on NPR.

Democrats (including

Democrats (including Brokjaw) always tell Republicans that their dogma (read in ideas or conservatism) are really hurting them. Darn it, if those Republicans wouldn't be conservative they'd be ok.

Sorry Tom, but I don't care if voters want a milly mally Rodney King type, why can't we all just get along. Getting along means to Brokaw that liberals get their "dogma" and conservatives capitulate. It has worked quite well for them in the Senate thanks to the GOP moderates (read in liberals) like McCain.

Tom refers to a herd of voters. The reason there is a herd of voters is that there are no leaders running for president and the current president is no leader either. Why is Reagan mentioned so much lately? He was a leader and people want a leader they can trust.

Hillary

I guess Brokaw ( a rich man) supports the Hillary (a rich woman) "dogma" of socialism/communism. As she sees that Obama's populist message is gaining traction, her socialist ideas are coming to the fore. Her lastest Robin Hood crap on the economy is now out there for all to see. Take from the achievers and give it to someone else. Limbaugh is right--- we need someone who can articulate conservative principles for the good of the nation. "Conservative" ideas are those that have worked. Communism/socialism is an abject failure. Communism/socialism rewards failure and laziness. Giving your life over to the government is anti-American. Becoming an economic slave for your "neighbor" is anti-American. Read the essays and ideas of our founders; they are not "socialist" ideas-- they are just the opposite. Rely on yourself, not on the government. Get the hell out of my pocket, Hillary. Ironically, you've become rich on government "service". That, in itself, smells.

NEVER,NEVER,trust a "liberal"

Well said.

Well said.

Nice to see Tom "Kent

Nice to see Tom "Kent Brockman" Brokaw has piped up again.  Wasn't it bad enough that he had to marinate in hair spray when he was an anchor...now he feels the need to inhale it in retirement?  Blowdried lightweight.

Who said that liberals know

Who said that liberals know how conservatives think? Shut up, brokaw.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Brokow

Doesn't Brokow claim not to have listened to Limbaugh.

Right on!

Right on,Allanf! They never "listen" to Rush ( just an hour here and there), yet they know everything he says. Lying s.o.b.'s

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Obsessed with Limbaugh

Brokaw seems rather obsessed with Rush Limbaugh. During his recent book tour he could not help making comments about Limbaugh on Laura Ingraham.

Brokaw

This is a guy that just gives the losers on MSNBC a pass because he worked for NBC.  He has no credibility.

Right

Right, Shannon20. "Liberals" lost whatever little crdibility they had decades ago. They are the enemy within. They hate the American way of life, yet like the bloodsuckers they are, they absorb all they can from it, then tell you how to live. Hypocrites!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Now we know why.....

Now we know why it's "Former NBC anchor Tom Brokaw"...the man has his Finger on his OWN pulse. 

Dogma, goes un-defined.....I can't figure out what he is referencing.  Brokaw is a MSM Ditto head. 

"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp"  Doug Giles

"Reagan Dogma" - you know,

"Reagan Dogma" - you know, the stuff that actually won elections for Republicans. :)

Brokaw proves, that to be a

Brokaw proves, that to be a "respected elder statesman commentator" at NBC, you just have to be a hack reporter who gets old.

Once a "liberal"

Right, Chris. Once a "liberal", always a "liberal". This goes for most of them. The few who see the light ( e.g. Tammy Bruce ) never go back. But there's nothing so disgusting as to see someone spend his whole life lying to himself and others while enjoying the rewards of conservatism. 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Dogma

One man's dogma is another man's "coherent theory of government."

  • Brokaw is appealing to the mythical image of Franklin Roosevelt, who (according to the myth), threw out traditional dogmas and just solved problems. History shows that FDR's optimism was more important than his policies. His policies weren't nearly as important to the recovery as was World War II.
  • Brokaw is assuming that dogma is preventing people from being "clever" enough to come up with "solutions." That is the fundamental misconception - that the problems in our lives are really intellectual puzzles for smart people to defeat. What a shallow idea! Government isn't a secret puzzle that, when the secret answer is mentioned, bells go off and the bird comes down with money. It isn't about cleverness. It's about character.

And, I say again ... these people who don't understand America themselves, arrogantly claim the right to decide what Americans need to know.

Limbaugh Responds to Brokaw

Limbaugh responded to Brokaw today at 12:38PM EST:

"Mr. Brokaw its not just solutions its the right solutions - and the right solutions are guided by principles ..."

It has always vexed me that

It has always vexed me that some people say they will vote for anyone who offered "the best solutions to our problems" - be they Republican or Democrat. Despite the thoughtful, analytical, (and generic) sound of that claim, to me, it shows political shallowness and ignorance. It also shows why nothing of any consequence can ever get done before the polls turn against the "solution" - because many people don't believe in anything.

Good vs. Evil

During his run against President Bush, Algore went to a black church and said that the election was a war of "good" against "evil". I wanted to puke.  Now I'm beginning to think he may have been right, but not in the way he meant it.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Come on now, guys. You know

Come on now, guys. You know Brokaw, as an objective journalist, is really just trying to help Republicans do their part in maintaining a vibrant two-party system.

Translation: Brokaw, a liberal, wants the Republican party to be more liberal so that liberal "dogma" (read communism/socialism) can be passed into law in a "bipartisan" fashion.

And anybody wonders why the MSM supports McCain?

He said the country is

He said the country is "hungry for solutions," as if "solutions" and "conservatism" were antonyms.

But I bet he thinks the failed, reactionary, Euro nanny/welfare state socialism solution is the just dandy for America.

If Brokaw were any shallower he'd be a dry creek.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

El Rushbo has done an

El Rushbo has done an excellent job on this today...excellent.

Btw...for all of us in his tribe he is applying for a casino license for us in Florida...he is Chief El Conservo....and we are his mindless following tribe...

Brokaw is nothing but an infuriating leftist who uses his gain to the nbc network to get who he wants in office...he did this with Senator Tester in a big way here in Montana (he has a home here) to get rid of Senator Burns..arm in arm with Thoma and McClatchey Newspapers..it was absolutely outrageous.

I detest Brokaw...have for decades.

LOL - can't wait to listen to the podcast

My first thought last week after the "tribe" comment was: Great! Now El Rushbo can open a casino and golf resort on the outskirts of the EIB Southern Command :-)

All hail Chief El Conservo

Mr. Brokaw should give it a rest

Mr. Brokaw should give it a rest, since he is not around to read the news anymore. Brokaw can't even begin to analyze what Rush has or has not done to the electorate. Rush has always provided an insightful, thoughtful , and entertaining alternative to the news and opinion "journalism." Until Rush arrived on the scene, we always heard "And that's the way it is." Often, it wasn't that way at all.

Well, it is campaign season

Well, it is campaign season for the Democrats- I'm not terribly surprised at hearing this.

(signature):
You know, people ask me what I like to watch on TV, and I always tell
them that I simply don't watch TV. And I really don't, because TV is a
easy way for others to manipulate how you think. And I would rather not
put up wi

A case of RDS?

It would appear that Brokaw has joined media icons Rather and Cronkite as persons who think they have something important to say after they’ve been reading a teleprompter for the last 30 years.